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the next four years. we'll have no shortage of material to work with. >> i don't agree with everything he said but i agree with your right to say it. >> we're out of time. it's over. "hardball" starts now. thank you to you for being here. if it you have a political cartoon, e-mail us. more importantly, "hardball" starts now. richard the second get ready for the second coming of nixon. let's play "hardball." good evening. richard nixon build up a enemy
list. it took him sometime to do it t. nixon was a slacker as far as mr. trump is concerned. 1600 pennsylvania avenue with his enemy list already packed and ready to attack. tweeting the media lies to make it looks like against intelligence when i'm a big fan. that's out of line with his mocking statement with the intelligence community. on december 12, he said this are same people that said saddam w hussein had weapons of mass destruction. you did to bld a case. today ding the senate testimony about the russian hacking, clapper took a shot for
disparaging intelligence community. he clowned "democrats lead by head clown chuck schumer." he called people enemies. happy new years to all including enemies who have fought me so bad they don't know what to do. former deputy campaign manager, stephanie cutter. clad to have you back. i have to ask about the behavior of the new president. he calling me who disagree his
enemy, enemies. he is come piling a list. intel community, reporters. >> he is aking as if he running a campaign, there's a big different between being a candidate and being the president-elect and ultimately the president of the united states. we heard intelligence community of foreign entities voicing concern of what they're hearing from the president-elect. we rely on other communities to work with our intelligence communities to protect us. same thing with check schumer who does he thinks he going to work with. he's going to need chuck schumer. >> yes. he is not a clown nor should he
be called a clown. you haveeat with him man or woman. you have to negotiate everything. >> that's the next morning. first office we have to get used to it because this new landscape we're going to be in. donald trump has way of identifying pegging. >> if he calls kim jong-un a clown and the guy starts looking for a button to push. >> i think that's something that has to be dealt with. >> he is a clown. >> sometimes he maybe right. >> i think we need to get this new hat on our head. >> who is going to give us the roy rogers button. >> there's nothing to change his behavior. this is political weapon for him and political tool and he uses
it expertly. there's a reason why he calls chuck schumer a clown. >> give me a reason. >> because chuck -- >> it doesn't work with chuck, because he is not a clown. >> he is down running against donald trump for elected office. he is running the united states senate and can complete donald trump's -- there's one person you should not underestimate is schumer. >> they are both were york th are aboboth from the sam playground. >> during the campaign, donald trump labeled his little opponents and as enemies.
>> who know who says don't use twitter, you're enemies. >> look at the press, among the most dishonest people in the world. >> even my enemies in the media agree with me and lots of changes are being made. >> i started out liking everyone now they're enemies, we'll see what happened. >> i don't like to use same thing twice because i consider them enemies. we review this as war, it's war. >> here's the problem. i'm not going to get used to it. the thing is i do believe that he convincing with 34% of the count that voted for him. so when the moon is made of blue cheese, are they going to believe him.
if he say the movie start at 8:30 and it starts at 7:00, they are going to be mad at him. >> also a limit to this. in donald trump in his universe given this -- >> that a new phrase for you. now we're in this new place, it's 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> you take the oath, you're not -- >> you have a foot on the ayground and that's part of the game, tactics, strategy, that's how you execute. >> you're finding deef yentcy
downward. >> who is going to change him? >> you personally, not you personally, folks in politics, since the beginning of the campaign, now we're two weeks from the inauguration, what in the last two months will change anything that's what happened in 18 months. >> i'm going to keep squatting the flies. >> i have work for two different presidents, and there's a big difference between running for president and being president. and when you are president, regardless of the 34% of people he is convining you are responsible for a hundred% of the people they blame you. i stand with you. one other point, i think what's important that we never get used to a president of the united
states calling people clowns or intelligence community is lying or -- >> one of the resolution is not to interrupt women, have you to wait. remember the fight he got in dan rathers, are you running for something. at some point the fourth wall you stop being the president, you get down to the playground. doesn't he have to -- he has to deal with solve having in the middle east, he has to make deals with friends in the world, doesn't he have to be reliable at some point? >> i agree with you. >> how is he going to make a deal. >> the hope is that office shakes the man into presidency. we have been hopping for this great change in donald trump for
18 months to start acting presidential. i'm saying this is our new reality. >> i think life is going to be different for him. >> it will be. join the white house focusing on public outrage that's republican outrage. am rose sa responded that senator graham did not sproet for trump clear so that when we get into the white house, we know where they stand. let me tell you, mr. trump has a long memory and he keeping a list. >> every critic, every detractor will have to bow down to president trump. everyone who doubted donald trump, whoever challenged him, it is ultimate revenge to become the most powerful man in the
universe. >> oh, my god. this is lie emperor describes, we have to bow down. what do you think is she credible? >> no. >> i never blame a staffer because i been there. >> he wants her to talk like that. he wants to have that heard. >> he backed off that as well. it didn't go down inside the tent. >> if she's running engagement for the white house -- >> when you start a conversation -- the. >> the word clown has to be taken back. you can make fun of the guy for having too many bottle of water on television, but you're
dealing with chuck schumer here. >> thank you. it is great to have you back. coming up director presented overwhelming evidence that russia is behind the hacking. is he ever going to find a way out of this when it's convenient to do 180 like he did with president obama birth certificate. mental health challenges beaten out in chicago, live on facebook. we get the latest where hate crime charges have been filed. the american public won't tolerate democrats -- let me
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>> americans skepticism. welcome toll "hardball." mike pence echoing donald trump expressed about the conclusions of the intelligence community on russia. testimony before national director james clapper skepticism as something worse. >> i think there's a difference between skepticism and disparagement. i have received about the disparagement of the u.s. intelligence community or what has been interrupted as disparagement of the intelligence community. >> the president dig in his
heels russia was responsible for the cyber attacks of the 2016 election. this is what we have seen before who feel birther conspiracy for years promising but never delivering evidence to back it up. >> i have people that have studying it they cannot believe what they are finding. >> you have people in hawaii. >> absolutely. >> they cannot believe what they are finding. >> confessed the facts. >> barack obama was born in the united stes period. now we all want to get back to making america strong and great again. >> now, once again mr. trump promise to deliver information to back up defense of russia. sheer what he said on saturday.
>> hack hard thing to -- i know things people doesn't know. >> what do you know that other people don't know. >> you'll find out tuesday or -- >> he said to receive a full review on russia's hacking. i'm joined by senator -- there's something bizarre about this president-elect. he says for years barack obama was illegal immigrant, undocumented worker from somewhere else in the world then he says won day on friday when opening hotel inwashington, yes, he was born here. with their hacking.
yet, i sense tomorrow le may not be able to say that once he hears from the intelligence folks. what's going on here? >> it was concluive as to the involvement of the russians in the election, general clapper, admiral rogers, career professionals concluded that those are the facts and those are the facts we have to operate from not anything else. >> is there anybody in the world you have to study in armed service is there anybody in the intelligence world, cia, dia disbelieve that the russians did this. is there anybody saying, no this isn't that way. >> no i have not hrd anything to say anything different than the conclusion they presented today. on bipartisan basis, everyone has concluded based on the facts
that the russian involved was there and come prehennive social media, fake news media, a host of things. this is something that should be no longer debated. how do we respond and do it effectively. >> he intends to trump spokesperson denies that. spokesperson telling nbc there something behind the move. fired outgoing director james clapper. we saw testifying. you think trump has it in for clapper. >> general clapper is retiring within days. this is about the institutional
or intelligence community, how it functions, how it ren ders advise to decision makers. it's irrelevant. >> is there -- admit he helped him within is there any motive why he can deny the clearly established facts? >> i do not have an idea where he would not accept the facts. they have been accepted by everyone else on bipartisan basis. i think it's something that will cloud his presidency unless he is first one to call for aspects of this, by the way this is going on today in other
countries that have having democratic collections, this is not something to personalize or trivialize, it's something serious. >> do you think russians elections? >> there was russia involvement, the question is what are the consequences that's something that's hat not been determined. when the report is released it may shed light on that. >> thank you, senator. meanwhile president-elect donald trump trying to julian assange. wrong i state what he states. it is for the people to make up their minds to the truth. you decide. in today's hearing he did not
hesitate to say assange would not be trusted. >> mr. assange has popped up do you think there's credible we should attach to this individual given his record of -- >> not in my view. >> joined now senator ran paul. you're smiling. this most bizarre things in the world, why does trump keep denying the obvious to the facts. he looks the fact in the face says i don't believe it. russia doesn't have anything to do with me winning. >> russias did not change any votes. 70% of the people voted for donald trump. i would say this, nobody naive enough to say the russian do not hack into anything they bont
don't to. everybody is hacking into everybody. we should protect ourselves. understand how people get information, how they steal it, get into our e-mails and we must protect ourselves. we can beat a dead horse and try to blame -- had has to do with different policy incht. >> the horse ain't dead yet because donald trump won't agree that the russians have helped. >> under oath lied to us. do i have skepticism toward people like julian assange, sure. i take it all with a grain of salt. james clapper slide under oath.
that is without question. we can go back to the iraq war. people were using and distorting sbelg to get us involved in a war. >> dick cheney came on the air said there was weapons, he made is up. it was politician and the state defense department we know special office over there, the people like scoot around the vice president, they sold us the iran war it wasn't the experts. >> i think we have had way too much public conversation from people in the -- half the country thought jam comey should have indicted clinton and others
thought he went too far in talking about it. >> neither republicans or democrats thought he did dishones tohe public they were collecting all of our phone data. so there's, has been a severe lessoning of the intelligence community. >> let ask you about you. you're hard to figure, i'm reading the fountain head, let ask you about vote to get rid of obamacare. >> i didn't vote against it, i voted against a budget that never balances and ads $9 trillion to the debt. it is a budget. the title is al budget.
there's numbers in it and they mean something. my point is as a conservative i stand tor balancing the budget and i can't in one hand explain about president obama and then say it's okay for republicans to do the same thing. and i think we are hypocritical but not putting forward a budget that balances. i would replace it at the same time i think it's a mistake without having something to replace it at the same time. coming up a story about a mental young man beating by young teens. this is "hardball,"s place for politics.
debbie reynolds. two will be buried tomorrow back to "hardball." chicago police have charged four people with hate crimes in alleged kidnapping and beating of a plan who mentally challenged. >> the actions in the video are reprehensible. that along with racism have no place in the city of chicago or an where else for that matters against anyone regardless of race, gender, state of mental health or any other identifying factor. it was never a question of whether or not this incident qualified to be investigated as a hate crime.
>> it was live streamled on facebook. the video is difficult to watch. the 18-year-old victim bound, gagged, and slashed, and shouted anti-trump. white house press secretary called video disturbing. >> they do demonstrate aevel of deprafty that is an outrage to a lot of americans. i have not spoken to the president about it but i'm confident he would be angered by the what's on the video. >> raum eman el weighed in.
>> given there's now being charged i'm not going to say more about it. >> ron mott out in chicago, what do we know two days later. >> there's some racial component to the stories. one young white man is the victim. mental capacity that's why they filed hate charge because the victim knows one of the defendant, they are friends. they went to school together. this started on saturday fight, the two were meeting up, the victim told his parents he was going to have a overnight with the friend. he slept in the van. his family was expecting him home on sunday, they got in touch with police and filed a
missing person's report. we dorn don't know at what point he became kidnapped. oldest female 24 years old, all 18 year old. it's hard to watch this video. >> is terrible story, nbc ron mott out in chicago. democrats blocking donald trump -- "hardball," your place for politics. with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine,
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here's a guy who understands not only how to produce a financial disclosure form and some tax information but how to say the right things on russia. >> 180,000 -- $180 million golden parachute. what do the stockholders say about that stuff? 180 million. >> he gave up $7 million. don't you feel bad for him? >> well, tomorrow night president barack obama and michelle obama are having a big party at the white house, their last one. reportedly oprah is going to be there, jay-z, beyonce. >> who's the guest of honor? them. >> i think president obama is the guest of honor at his own party tomorrow night. >> my colleague jill bernstein has a great story out right now about donald trump's twitter account and it's not very secure and there's a lot of concern that some hacker could get into it and wreak havoc on the world. >> you mean pretend to be him? >> for instance, look at his
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and we're still getting an odd, i mean crazy breakout of who the new president's friends and enemies are. let's start with the enemies, it's a longer list. he doesn't like the media, we're his enemies. he doesn't like the intelligence community. you know, the cia, people like that. notice the pattern? the new man doesn't like anyone, anything that reports facts. i'm not talking about columnists and commentators. the people on trump's list are those who report the news -- you know, reporters, correspondents, the wires, associated press, reuters, the people who bring us the facts like when the movie starts, what day of the week something is scheduled for, facts like that like tokyo is the capital of japan. this is the stuff trump tends to attack, facts. same with the intel boys. he doesn't like them because they tell us things like it's the russians who helped him win the election by throwing out those e-mails from the democratic national committee. now we've got someone coming to town, not st. nick, keeping a list and checking it twice, wants to find out who's naughty or nice.
we're on to who trump sees as naughty, the media and the cia. who's been nice to him? cuddly little vladimir putin, trump's teeny-weeny little russian elf. richard nixon ain't shown us nothing. this guy is popping into town with his enemies list already checked and ready to go. that's ha"hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> who actually is the benefactor of someone who is about to become commander-in-chief trashing the intelligence community. >> an intelligence hearing for an audience of one. >> i love wikileaks. >> intelligence chief democrats and top republicans send a message to the incoming president. >> espionage is an act of war. >> tonight is the unprecedented spectacle on capitol hill. >> i think there's a difference between kept schism and disparagement. >> plus an exclusive
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