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on this sunday, thanks for spending your time with us. stay with us for updates throughout the night and any breaking news as it happens. meet the press with chuck todd, that is next. you have a great night. this sunday, confrontation and chaos. the fight over president trump's travel ban. to get the restrictions reinstated after a judge temporarily blocks them calling the ruling ridiculous and tweeting about this so-called judge. what are travelers supposed to do now? plus, president trump's head spinning week. a supreme court pick. >> outstanding legal skills, tremendous mind, and earned bipartisan support. >> putting iran on notice. soften support for new israeli settlements and holding testy talks. >> when you hear about the tough phone calls i'm having, don't worry about it.
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>> we have an all star line up of guests this morning. how everything has become political right down to the beer you drink. joining me andrea mitchell, tavis smiley and danielle pletka of the american enterprise institute. it's "meet the press." good morning and a happy super bowl sunday to everyone. saturdays are becoming protest saturdays under president trump. for the third weekend in a row thousands rallied in cities across the country.
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the trump administration moved to get the travel restrictions immediately reinstated. a federal appeals court denied that request calling for a full hearing on monday. here is what the president had to say at a red cross gala last night. president had a lot to say yesterday before that mainly on twitter. one example, when a country is no longer able to say who can and cannot come in and out especially for reasons of safety and security, big trouble. the president has taken great pains to deny his travel restrictions amount to a muslim ban. four times yesterday he did refer to his policy as ban in tweets. two weeks into the trump presidency we're learning the answer to the campaign riddle, should we take donald trump literally or seously? the answer appears to be both. >> the world is in trouble, but we're going to straighten it out. okay. >> donald trump is lashing out
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tweeting on saturday the opinion of the so-called judge, which essentially takes law enforcement away from our country is ridiculous and will be overturned. federal judge james robart appointed by george w. bush explained his decision. >> the state has met its burdens of demonstrating that it faces immediate and irreparable injury. >> thvisas have been declared valid for now. >> it has even long time u.s. allies asking can the world handle donald trump style diploma diploma diplomacy? >> when you hear about the tough phone calls i'm having, don't worry about it. >> president trump is aggressive tangling with long time allies mexico. ♪ don't hang up >> bruce springstein didn't pull any punches.
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>> we stand before you embarrassed republicans. >> if politics is music, the president's off key. >> this inmy view was an unnecessary and frankly harmful open dispute. >> president trump can be unexpected warning israel that new settlement construction may not be helpful in achieving peace or ambiguous. his administration led by national security advisor michael flynn is ratcheting up its rhetoric on iran. >> we are putting iran on notice. >> and leveeing new sanctions to punish iran. >> they're not behaving. >> refusing to say whether the trump administration will keep the iran nuclear deal intact and mixed messages to russia as president putin tests mr. trump in eastern ukraine. amid continuing protests and confusion around the world and even at his own doorstep, the president is defending his aggressive approach to foreign policy, reiterating once again in the video address. >> from now on it's going to be
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america first. >> and joining me now is the vice president of the united states mike pence. thanks for coming in. >> good tsee you. >> let me start with overnight developments. thers ten different suits in various courts. obviously the big one is the one in washington state. let me ask the question this way. i know you're pursuing an appeal to this decision. >> we are. >> is it time to cut bait and say rescind the order, go through congress because there's support for the idea but the specifics appear to be achallenge for you. any thought of essentially rescindsing and trying again? >> from the outsiout set of his, president trump has made it clear he's going to put the safety and security of the american people first. using a list of countries that the obama administration and congress have certified were compromised by terrorist influence. seven different countries of permanently suspended immigration from syria and
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suspending for a set period of time the remaining six countries is consistent with the president's commitment to do just that. we're very confident the president's operating within his authority as president under the constitution and under clear statutory law. that's what's so frustrating about the decision. >> the statutory law is confusing because there's one you're referring to in 1952 but the one passed in the '60s that some people believe makes this unconstitutional. >> when you have people as diverse as allen and jonathan turley who have acknowledged the merits of the president's action under the constitution and the law, i think it speaks for itself. we're confident we'll prevail. we'll accomplish the stay and win the case on the merits but, again, the focus is on the safety and security of the american people. >> that's why my question on the idea of polling it. if this is a concern, and this is something that you can't wait.
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you and i both know the court system will take a while. this could take weeks, maybe months. why not do this in way where you have prop cer consultations wit different departments. you have an opportunity to do a do over. why not? >> it was not done hastilhastil. there may have been some leaders not informed. we live in a dangerous world. the reality is there's people around the globe who have inspired violence in the homeland. we saw in the basement of the louvre a machete wielding terrorist. the american people know the threats we face are real. they elected mr. donald trump for many reasons.
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we have remained confident that the president's actions are on solid constitutional and legal grounds. >> let me take you at your word on that. you just brought up the louvre. the person came through from egypt. no pakistan, no afghanistan, no saudi arabia. if this is your concern, then why aren't those countries included. it does feel as if it was more done because you wanted that obama talking point. >> no. it was done because both the congress and the prior administration identified seven countries. one in syria torn asunder by civil war and the other six that lack, here's the issue, as secretary kelly said so well in that press conference. these are countries that do not have the internal systems in place so we can be confident today that when people present themselves for access to the united states that they are who they say they are. there's a 30 day review under
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way. we're going to work with those remaining six countries to make recommendations for ways they can enhance. the other countries that you mentioned, the united states, our policy is when we're confident that when someone comes from that country that they are who they say they are. this is about the safety and security of the american people. it's not a religious ban. >> did the president undermine your case when he said they would prioritize christians? >> christians who have faced persecution across the wider middle east. >> it's a religious test? >> it's not a religious test. it identified seven countries irrespective of the religious
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composition. that's what freedom looks like and what it sounds like. i troupely do believe that a majority of the american people are grateful that we have a president who is willing to take decisive action, use the authority he has under the constitution and the law to pause with regard to these seven countries and rethink the way we admit people. >> you don't accept the notion that you did this a little too hastily and a little sloppy? >> we live in a dangerous world. i think the american people welcome a president as decisive and action oriented as president trump. >> he called him a so-called judge. that is the leader of the executive branch saying -- that made a lot of people uncomfortable. i know your answer is this is donald trump. people need to get used to it. there's a tendency here to just
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not take critics -- not take criticism constructively. he accused chuck schumer of having fake tears. any time he gets some critique, he wants to make them go away. is that healthy? >> the president of the united states has ever right to criticize the other two branches of government. we have a long tradition of that in this country. >> is it a constructive way to do it? >> i think people f it very refreshing that they not only derstandis mind but they understand how he feels about things. he expresses himself in a unique way. the judge's action in this case in washington, which are at odds with the federal district judge in boston who up held the constitutionality of the president's actions, the judge's actions in this case making decisions about american foreign policy and national security, it just very frustrating to the president, to our whole administration, to millions of
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americans who want to see judges that will uphold the law. >> all he did was put pause. on this issue of criticism. i found something you said about president obama seven years ago. take a listen. >> there president has shown an unusual interest in commenting on his critics in the media and here on capitol hill. the american people don't want to hear the president's reflections and commentary on critici criticism. >> i know when one party is in power, the other party says things like that. that is what congressman mike pence thought when presidents got too caught up in their criticism. should the president take the advice of congressman mike pence. >> my hair is the same color. i've lemarned a lot. sure the they can.
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he will exercise to criticize other branches of governments that's not consistent with the best interest of the american people. >> i got do ask you to respond to something, an excerpt of the super bowl interview. >> do you respect putin? >> i do respect him. will i get along with him, i have no idea. >> he's a killer. >> a lot of killers. we got a lot of killers. you think our country is so innocent? >> moral equivalency? >> no. >> is there a moral equivalency there? >> not in the least. president trump has been willing to be critical of our country's actions in the past. what you're hear tlg is a determination by the president of the united states to not let semantics or the arguments of the past get in the way of exploring the ability to work together with russia and with president putin in the days ahead. if you played the rest of that interview he said he didn't know
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if we could get along with him better. his top priority is to hunt down and destroy isis at its source. we have a common interest with russia to do that. >> you know the putin record here. let me put it up here. obviously a former kgb agent. in itself an institution of mass killings. what he has done to fund and promote the separatists. proxy wars that have ended up in the killing of innocent passengers on mh-17. then there's the list of mysterious deaths. what american leader has done something similar. that's what the president seemed to say there. >> that's not what he said in the least. >> why can't he say a negative thing about vladmir putin? >> he has expressed himself in the campaign an election that he won that he was determined to go forward and see whether or not we might be able to start a new
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and a relationship with russia. the president said many times if we got along with russia better, that would be a good thing for the world. you have someone who is not going to look in the rear view mirror. he's also made it clear maybe not, maybe it's not going to work out but i think he's determined. he had a productive conversation with president putin. he's going to look as a way we can move forward. >> are you comfortable with using those same words to describe vladmir putin? >> using what words?
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>> yeah, he's a bad guy but we've done some bad things too. are you comfortable with that? >> i don't accept it's a moral equivalency. i really don't. >> do you think he misspoke? >> no. president trump has been critical of american policy in the past and i expect he's always going to continue to be candid with the american people. you have a determination to reengage the world. we saw it with prime minister may came. it's to reengage world leaders on american interests. to bring american strength back to the world stage and people nope here is someone who knows how to put a deal together. it's going to advance the security of the american people and advance the interest of peace in the world. we're going to look to do it. >> i'm going to leave it there. i know you're about to go to the super bowl. do you have a rooting interest? >> the indianapolis colts are
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been restricted and they are following the judge's order. the appeals court has to weigh in. there's a long process. i think the problem that donald trump is creating for himself is a political one. by tweeting the so-called judge and by criticizing the judici y judiciary, he's raising the bar. he's making it more difficult for a very credible nominee to the supreme court in his confirmation hearing. you'll have another pre-text, not just merrick garland for democrats to challenge this nominee on every aspect of the separation of powers and whether or not he agrees with the president who has nominated him. >> danielle, isn't this an opportunity if they want to do it, do it. >> i don't think this is the kind of administration that wants to do a doover. i don't think barack obama would have taken a do over either. i think they will let this process play out and use the time available to them to put
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the thought and process in that they didn't put in before. the problem here is not actually one of substance. barack obama did many of the things that are actually in this executive order. it's all about the how. it's not necessarily about the what. whether it's tweeting or the judge or it's russia or it's this immigration stuff. it's actually all about style. not about substance. >> i think it's about style and substance. i'm from indiana and i saw the vice president in the green room and we chatted. i like him as a person. it's tough to sit there and watch him twist like a pretzel to try to defend this presidency that's so different. it's an immoral equivalency which is to say that dr. king was a frequent guest on this program and 50 years ago in april of this year.
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he called america the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today. it's not a moral equivalency the pst it's immoral. we're not a perfect country but i'm to not going to sgeet situation where i'm trying to defend all that america has done. the question is what as the apparatus of military state. >> still, do you want to be defending putin? >> i think you're seeing a president here he sees a different geometry. there may be different opportunities where russian interests and ours align. we're judging donald trump differently than we should. we're saying donald trump is unpredictab unpredictable. we had a predictable president for eight years and it led to an uncertain world.
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you're seeing, i think donald trump's unpredictability is a deterrence. >> it's being unprincipled. >> i think part of it is that facts matter. the way they rolled this out where they did not, despite all their claims, they did not listen to the experts at the the pentagon and the homeland. if they left out the ban on visa holders and green card holders and legitimate people, they wouldn't have had this problem. the other issue is even on putin. to say what he said about putin to bill o'reilly is extraordinary. you've got a man in the hospital who had just recovered from extreme organ failure who is now clearly poisoned in a moscow hospital. you have to so instances, not just individual but on large scale. to ignore that and say he'll help us against isis. how is he helping us when he's
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not bombing isis targets. he's bombing the legitimate opposition to assad. the president doesn't seem to understand these alliances. >> you're not going to get me to disagree with you on a lot of these things. let us separate out what's happened in the last week from the things that donald trump has said. if in the first week of the trump presidency he had put in place, let's not call it a travel ban but limited the immigration from certain countries and put in what he calls -- >> he keeps calling it a ban. >> it is a ban. >> i don't think that's a relevant discussion. i've established i'm not fan of this. it's the way they do everything. if donald trump hadn't said that, is it okay to say, i want to start fresh with vladimmir put putin, maybe he can help us beat isis. obama did that. the problem is not any of the things. it's how they do them. >> is it they.
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we'll pause it here. is it they or is it him? i think that we will save for the next time we bring you back in a few minutes. when he we come back, we'll hear from top players on both sides of the political aisle of congress. runs on intel?
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welcome back. late last night i reached out to to speaker of the house paul
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ryan about that federal judge's order blocking the enforcement of president trump's immigration restriction. speaker ryan's office provided meet the pre what's importantss is his administration is come plying with the ruling and taking the proper stepso resolve the issue quickly. this is ourystem of divided government and i'm confident when the process runs its course the order will be upheld. on friday i sat down with speaker ryan on capitol hill. he said the president's policy did not amount to ban but the implement implementation could have been handled better. we talked about a broad range of subjects depending whether he would like to get out of the iran nuclear deal. >> i never supported the deal in the first place. >> done meaning -- >> i don't think you will go back and reconstitute them that were in place. >> should we try? >> i think we should expend our effort where it will pay off the most. that's why they they are doing now makes a lot of sense.
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the key is to enforce this deal but also remember they are testing ballistic missiles. human rights abuses galore. those are where he need to ratchet up sanctions. what this administration is doing, which i agree with, is saying we have a new administration and we're going to hold you, iran, to account. this last administration did not do that. this new administration needs to do that. >> where's the line here? are you concerned that iran might retaliate and we're a part of a proxy wear. >> they're appeasing them already. i think they need to know they're going to be held to account because it's left, if we don't do that then they will go off and do all these other things. they are a belligerent forcen the middle east. look at what they're doing to finance the terrorism, human rights abuses. you see on the side of their
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ballistic missiles in hebrew, farcy that this is not a peaceful nation. >> you were tough on candidate trump. more of it has to do with, you just sort of have two different outlooks. when the president fired the assistant attorney general he said she betrayed the department of justice. the point is he takes a very negative tone. you don't. is that something that you think over time will hurt the republican party? >> we've always had different kind of republicans to run our party. i'm kind of happy jack camp conservative. >> he wouldn't have described inner cities as carnage. >> neither would i. what matters at the end of the day are the results. ha i'm focused on is i'm not going on twitter and see whag the latest tweet was. i'm not turning on the tv. i'm focused on delivering results. we ran on specific reforms, specific solutions that we
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believe will improve people's lives. that's why we're here. that's why people gave us these jobs. really what i'm focused on is that. get the policies done, make good on our promises and reforms to make people's lives better in this country whether it's prosperity, peace and security and at the end of the day matters so we will have a successful republican president, party, part of the results of this party that has been given this great responsibility. >> is there a point where you just feel as if, you know what, this is moving too harshly. given he was elected in such a divided country that he has not -- has he done enough to try to heal division? i know you can say the other side isn't accepting defeat but has he done enough to -- >> i think he will feel his way through this. what i'm excited about is he wants to hit the ground running and he's very much man of
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action. we had conversations at 11:00 at night on policy matters. >> are protest saturdays sustainable in this country? >> we can get to the left in a minute. he's hit the ground running. he's doing a lot. there's a lot that needs to be done. i'm excited about how ambitious he wants to be in following through on the promises he made in campaign. all the division, the polarization in america, i think a lot of it can be healed if we get people back to work. if we help get people out of poverty. if we get faster economic growth and higher wages. if we can fix these problems that are solvable in this country, that's what will matter at the end of the day. >> i have noticed a lot of people, a lot of have noticed, repair is a new buzz word. if you look at some of the replacement bills that are out there, there's lots of good
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chunks of obama care stay alive. >> i don't know what happened but maybe somewhere in the press this kind of got crossed. that is how owe repair the health care system. there was confusion we were going to take the obamacare architecture and tinker at the margins and repair it. you can't. it's a collapsing law. they with won plan to choose from. 70% of all counties have one or two plans to choose from. the law is in the middle of
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collapse. replace it with something better. >> that was speaker paul ryan. you can see the complete interview. let me turn to the democrats now. welcome back. >> pleasure to be here on super bowl sunday. >> let me ask you first on the travel ban here. would you, at all, be willing to work with trump administration on legislation that if they asked the congress to come up with something that would allow for some temporary suspension, some new vetting, would you be willing to work with the new administrati administration? >> we take an oath to protect and defend the constitution and the american people. we always have to subject our vetting to scrutiny to see if it's working. that doesn't mean we institute
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an unconstitutional ban on muslims. what's interesting to me is this kind of a diversion nar tactic. what did we expect. the election was about improving the lives of the american people. where is their initiate ifr for that. when they don't do something, they have a tactic. when that isn't working, move up. let me just contrast it to president obama. president obama on the steps of the capitol, eight years ago, said i call for swicft bold action to create jobs and educate our kids. >> he is two weeks in. they would make the argument they have done something. >> let me give you the timetable. one week and one day later, the congress passed the american
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reinvestment and recovery act. that was the initiative of the president for jobs. where is their initiative. they are doing a travel ban, which is not making american people safe. it's unconstitutional and even undermines what the evangelicals call the crown jewel of humanitarian impl. >> let me ask you about the role the democratic party should be playing. i want to play you something elizabeth warren said yesterday. >> america elected donald trump, and yeah, the russians helped, and yeah, the fbi director helped and yeah, he lost the p
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popular vote by three million votes. we can not let ourselves off the hack so easily, not as progressives, not as democrats. the excuses end now. >> how do you respond to her? you were making the case that the obama administration and democrats in charge were being responsiv responsive. she said no. >> that is -- >> she said no. he said it's not about a new set of talking points. it's about policies that aren't working for those folks. >> they have. we bailed out the auto industry. the republicans, at the time, said this would be interfering with the free market system. they were on their heels. they're now on top of the world.
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let me go back to the first part of the senator's statement. i want to know what the russians have on donald trump. i think we have to have an investigation by the fbi into his financial, personal and political connections to russia and we want to see his tax returns so we can have truth in the relationship between putin whom he admires. >> i want to go back to the issue of democrats having lost touch with the rust belt and a lot of voters in there. i want to ask it this way which is, the democratic party need new leaders to touch base on this stuff. there was a rejection of that in the 2016 election. >> we had plenty of leadership at every level. right now we need kpooerexperie well. that's not the point.
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the point is who has the leverage. the american people had the impression that donald trump was going to give them the leverage when he became president and what did he do right from the start is go right to his friends on wall street and this is super bowl, so let's give a score card. right away he said his people said they would overturn dodd frank and do away with the consumer financial protection bureau. that they were going to do away with the fudiciary rule. they showed whose side they were on. they are about trickle down economics or about trickle up. we hope all of us will be talking about a higher minimum wage and that's the messa we have to get across. >> is the democratic party strategy just obstruct the whole time. is it to take that play book that you could argue is very successful. >> if we can talk about job
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creation and infrastructure, legislation, that's a real infrastructure bill and not a tax break for his friends then there's something we can talk about. if we can talk about work and family balance and child care and early childhood education, let's see where we can find that. i want to make this point and it's very point because people say all the time, how long will it take the republicans to give up on trump. trump's agenda is their agenda. they have voted over 60 times to overturn the affordable care act. they have voted in this past year to overturn dodd-frank. they have very much in sync. for him to say a so-called judge. it's one thing to criticize a decision and another to say a
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so-called judge. >> aren't you happy that george bush and mrs. bush will be at the game. >> we are. you enjoy the super bowl as well. rooting interest or no? >> my family's divided. >> as the country is these days. all right. thank you for coming in. how even the super bowl has been politicized with one big exception. on my long-term control medicine. i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment with breo. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. breo is specifically designed to open up airways to improve breathing for a full 24 hours. breo contains a type of medicine that increases the risk of death from asthma problems and may increase the risk of hospitalization in children and adolescents. breo is not for people whose asthma is well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine,
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download edition welcome back. this year even the big game is becoming politicized. take the ad budweiser plans to run which depicts the story of its immigrant founder facing prejudice before achieving success. 12.6 of folks say they had a budweiser in the last 30 days. the same is true for people in the top 100 counties for president trump. obviously budweiser making a consumer decision with that ad. now you have lady gaga and who knows what she might say tonight. if there's one thing that's bringing the country together, apparently it's rooting against the patriots. a recent ppp poll shows fans are pulling for the falcons by 2 to 1 margins. it's across party lines. for me, i'm already looking leads to super bowl lii.
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back now with the panel, a lot to get to. i want to do the ryan interview and the pelosi interview. back now with the panel. a lot to get through. this is somebody in the trump skeptic category. he's now trying to find his way. how much patience does that clu chunk of the party have?
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>> he's appointed a cabinet that that chunk is happy with. he's taken action as far as keeping the country safe. he's proposing tax cuts and opening up the economy which is the single biggest challenge. i think republicans are happy with the substance of everything donald trump is doing. turning the big thousands big foot of shape is not like turning a little business speedboat. you rock the passengers. you can't do it quite as quickly. they see if the big red wall cracks, if any republicans start to bail, they are getting comfortable. both hitting the president hard. >> this vladimir pew kin commem doesn't hold up on substance. we haven't heard yet from mccain
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and lindsey graham but you'll hear a lot more about russia. >> many things that donald trump says there's context for it. that is this is a president who criticized america for being too criticized america for being too expansionist and too many wars. >> you cannot forgive the murder -- >> it wasn't well-expressed. >> let's talk about the stall issue. now everybody is going to know, you were born in australia. so i'll make you an australian expert here. if you make the australian people mad, there is actually a long-term issue here if suddenly australia determines that china should be where we lean, not the united states. >> first of all, let me sound the most australian here. australia and america are allies. that's not going change whether turnbull is pm or trump is president. we have shared interests.
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i'm not worried about that. i don't think anybody would have said to donald trump that he's a terrible person if he had said, hey, i want to pause on this deal with australia. i don't quite understand why obama made it. particularly, i don't understand why president obama made it either. but the problem was the lead conversation. the problem was the way that trump handled it. it wasn't just that he said -- that he said that he wasn't interested in doing this and they were going to send over the boston bomber. it was also that he said worst conversation of the day. i mean, gratuitous, unnecessary. that's not going to affect the long-term relationship. >> really? because the economic moves towards china are really becoming very pronounced in australia. >> what troubles me, chuck, is that too many of us rushed to normalize a racist, sexist, classless campaign that he ran to win this office. and now we seem to be rushing to
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norm normalize a supreme court process that was trampled on a year ago and now we have a conversation, how should democrats handle this. we're normalizing a muslim ban, we're normalizing a religion test. all of the things that we've been talking about here today, alex, it troubles what it ultimately means for the future of this democracy. if we continue in this town and beyond to normalize this unrepentent behavior. >> i think on some of these issues, i think the criticism of trumps and a racist campaign is way beyond the mark. this is somebody -- let's face it, look what is happening in inner cities. how much better did our public schools in the last eight years? they did not. are there things donald trump should not have said? yes. look at what has been done to
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this country. i think that's a different kind of prejudice. >> i don't want to relitigate the campaign. >> you don't. but i do. >> what i do want to say is that racism, sexism, classism by any other context is someone's humanity and there are a lot of americans who are feeling it right now with the way we're normalizing this kind of nonsense -- >> and that is the very pressure on the democrats -- >> if this had been a muslim ban, he would have banned saudi arabia or indonesia but he did not. these are unstable governments that we can't work with. >> i'm going to pause this really quickly, sneak in a commercial break and we'll continue the conversation end game and we're trying to get at the end game of our conversation but we may go an extra hour. but you won't. we'll be right back.
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oh, i'm tied to this chair! ♪ dun-dun-daaaa! i don't know that an insurance-themed comic book is what we're looking for. did i mention he can save people nearly $600? you haven't even heard my catchphrase. i'm all done with this guy. box him up. that's terrible. back now with endgame and back now with end game, how do the democrats act as an opposition party? the energy is not in washington. >> sure. >> the energy is not with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi. that's not personal to them but they've been around a while. >> you asked nancy pelosi whether or not the democratic strategy ought to be obstructionism. what i was thinking is there's a distinct difference between obstructionism and living by a set of principles.
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i don't see that one merely of obstructionism. that's what we got from the republicans on the supreme court nomination of merrick garland, et cetera, et cetera. those principles could be played out on the streets by what you referenced earlier. >> but the problem that they have is that they cannot defeat all of these nominees. so they are trying to pick and choose those where they can pick up some support among americans and they have a problem of the supreme court nomination. if they go and filibuster, there is no question, in my mind, that mitch mcconnell. >> force it? what are they forcing? >> they have to figure this out. but the passion over merrick garland and the way he was treated, the humiliation of never giving him a meeting, noless a hearing, is not to be undere underestimated. >> look, live by the sword, die by the sword. >> that's what i'm saying. >> it goes on both sides.
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by the way, you think they are picking their battles, the democratic leader in the senate voted against the wife the republican leader. elaine chao. what was that? was that picking and choosing your battles. >> it was the first time in the history of this country that a transportation secretary got opposition votes. that shows you where we are. >> that's the problem. >> i'm saying that there is enormous pressure -- i'm not going to underplay this, thousands of people outside of chuck schumer's house in brooklyn the other night. we are in a very dangerous place as a country when they can't pick and choose. >> is it dangerous? the tea party, you could argue, president trump, tea party. straight line, right, alex? >> very dangerous. on this i agree with tavis, you need to be more something. there's a new party of "no" in town and it's the democratic party. i've been there and i've seen
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where it leads. it shrinks you. if they seed the way, what comes next is a very left-leaning democratic party that will be even smaller and -- >> a lot of people thought tea partiers -- >> there are some fights ain't worth fighting even if you win but there are other fights that you have to fight even if you lose. >> i take your point. >> there's the last word of sorts. >> to be continued. >> if i don't end the show, they will never stop talking. by the way, pitchers and catchers report in ten days. the wizards are pretty good, washington. so go check out some of the action. we'll be back next week. if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." >> you can see more end game and post game on the mtp facebook page.
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