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fire michael flynn believing he lied about conversations with russia. democrats demanding an investigation, even though as other key representatives are on shaky ground. >> and a missile test on a week that foreign policy is the topic at the white house. >> i want to thank agent orange and -- >> that's rapper busta rhymes with what's considered the most political statement last night at the grammys. and we'll have more on music's biggest night. i'm chris jansing coming to you live from new york. the two leaders hold very different views on a major set
of events, including nafta, the north american free trade agreement between the u.s., canada and mexico. president trump has vowed to renegotiate that. also, syrian refugees, when the president issued his executive order barring them from entering the u.s., prime minister trudeau pointedly tweeted to those fleeing persecution, terror and war, canadians will welcome you, diversity is our strength and added the hashtag welcome to canada. and north korea's ballistic missile test over the weekend. take a look at the new video north korea released just overnight, coming as questions have been raised about the future of national security adviser michael flynn, who no longer denies before taking
office, he may have talked to the russian ambassador about sanctions. vice preside . >> does the president still have confidence in his national security adviser? >> that's a question that i think you should ask the president, the president you should ask reince, the chief of staff. i'm here today as a policy adviser and my focus is in answering the policy questions that you have. >> if you were caught misleading the vice president of the united states, would that be considered a fireable offense in the trump white house? >> it's not for me to answer hypotheticals. it wouldn't be responsible. it's a sensitive matter. >> peter alexander joins us live from the white house. not exactly a full-throated endorsement as has been pointed out, peter. fair to say if you allow the vice president of the united states and others in the administration to go out and repeat what is not true, you might want to watch your back. how much trouble do folks think
he's in? >> reporter: that's a good question right now. it's one we're zeroing in. i spoke to a white house official who said to me in simple terms there are several aides encouraging president trump to consider firing his national security adviser. we're told by a series of other officials within this administration that nothing is imminent. nonetheless, it's obvious that michael flynn right now is on thin ice. we know he's expected to speak at a special forces banquet tonight. he was scheduled as the keynote. it's reported he may not be participating in that anymore. there's bipartisan pressure, though, on this white house going in order in the way it hands this situation given the new disarray within the national security council to this point. here's what we heard speaking to congressman adam schiff. he's been talking for
investigations by the fbi. he said in part, "it should definitely be investigated as par of the intelligent committee's investigation of russian covert influence operations or at a separate matter but we need to determine whether the administration misled the public about the matter of the seriousness in which our russia sanctions were being undermined." we're getting buffetted by increasing wins. and the communications with encrypted to avoid being seen by the public. this is what we heard from the republican congressman from south carolina, mark sanford on msnbc, a short time ago. >> there's a big discrepancy of republicans and democrats
saying, wait a minute, he said this or this, which is it. at the end of the day it's about national security and we don't want to have a national security adviser whose word we question. >> reporter: so the bottom line for the moment, a white house official telling us that michael flynn for this moment is fine, he has nine lives. nobody is entirely certain what president trump thinks about this and he'll be the ultimate decider. >> i want to ask you about this report about christopher ruddy, a friend who spent time in florida with the president over the weekend. he said reince priebus is in trouble. there's been pushback. they had a conversation. we know there's been conversations about sean spicer. is it possible mike flynn is not the only person in this administration that is on thin ice? >> yeah, ult matwe're told thats
that reince priebus is on thin ice or may be on his way out are, quote, overblown. >> we'll see what the president has to say when he has that joint press conference with justin trudeau. thank you, peter. >> how is this from an unambiguous message from north korea's leader kim jong un. they released video which they claim was the actual missile fire when president trump and prime minister shinzo abe were sitting down to dinner. but is kim jong un watching the test or giving the order to fire the missile. the national security commission will meet to discuss sanctions. keir simmons joins us now from seoul, south korea. let's start with what we know
about the missile test and how big a challenge it poses. >> reporter: an ambiguous message, north korea being one of the most machiavellian countries in the world. the message is they are developing their missile technology. they'd say this is a more advanced missile than they had fired before, a medium to long-range projectile. there is the political message gaining condemnation from around the world and criticism from russia and north korea's ally, china, chris. so they have been condemned but at the same time the purpose many people think was to wave a flag, bang a drum at the new administration that north korea wants to say, effectively being ignored by the obama administration to say we are
here and perhaps want to negotiate and wants to make sure everyone recognizes north korea is a strong country. >> the question is what to do about it. china may be one country that would have some influence here. president trump had what he called a warm conversation with china's president last week. >> reporter: the china position is tricky. north korea is an ally of china and it trades with china. you can overemphasize the amount of influence that china has over north korea. they are two separate countries. china is still the key, though. i guess when talk about washington, chris, you can put it like this. this is no where close to a crisis. this isn't even a very strong foreign policy test for the new president. but what it is, though, in a
sense is a dress rehearsal for what might be to come. the world is watching to see how the president reacts, to see how washington deals with this. ultimately the real fear for security officials in the u.s. is that north korea has vowed to develop a long-range miss they'll is nuclear capable and capable of reaching mainland u.s. >> thank you so much. i want to bring in democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut. senator, good morning. >> good morning. >> what do you make of north korea's missile test and donald trump's relative muted response so far? >> i think about it in two ways. first, this is nothing new. all throughout 2016 north korea was conducting these missile launches. so it doesn't look like there's anything technically surprising in this particular launch. but it is part of a pattern. you have a number of countries, historically adversaries of the united states, who have been
conducting themselves in ways to pose a test to the new administration. it was the russians who began to move more aggressively in eastern ukraine, the iranians firing off self missiles in violation of the u.n. resolution and now north korea. the right response is not just about what president trump says but about what the international community says and why a lot of us have been worried about the ways in which he's talked about europe, the early fissures even between the united states and china is we need them to come together to condemn the launches and perhaps look at multi-lateral responses. >> so the u.n. is going to take that up. in the meantime, the national security adviser michael flynn seems potentially to be in some trouble. "washington post" columnist david ignatius put it this way
over the weekend "michael flynn's real problem isn't the logan act, a statute that bars private meddling in foreign policy disputes, it's whether president trump's national security adviser sought to hide from his colleagues and the nation a preinauguration discussion about sanctions that the obama administration was imposing. if indeed it turns out that mike flynn lied to the vice president who in turn went out and repeated that, in your mind does he have to go? >> he has to go if he in fact lied to the vice president and most likely to others in the administration. it seemed pretty black black and white to me. the report suggests that the evidence is there for president trump to see. it appears as if there may be a transcript of a phone call, at least one phone call that he had with a russian diplomat. if that's available for the president to see, then if it suggests he was trying to undermine obama sanctions, if he
did lie to the vice president, then he should go and we should bring somebody into the national security cabinet who can restore that position's credibility. >> meantime the president is in a meeting right now with justin trudeau. they are on different pages on a number of issues, trade being one of them and immigration, we earlier put up a tweet about justin trudeau's reaction about when the president decided to stop some refugees from coming into the country. but immigration is definitely on everybody's mind. the president's senior policy adviser, steven miller, who helped right that executive order argued yesterday that the president's powers are beyond question. take a listen. >> we've heard a lot of talk about how all the branches of government are equal. that's the point. they are equal. what the judges did at the ninth and judicial level was to take power for themselves that belonged squarely in the hands of the president of the united states. >> he said further "the
president's authority will not be questioned" and i assume that means not by you, not by members of congress. what did you make of that statement? >> i don't know what to make of that statement. that kind of rant is not helpful or productive. in fact, the constitution makes it very clear that if the judicial branch rules that an action by either the legislature or the executive is unconstitutional that it cannot go forward. if it's somehow suggesting that the executive branch that the trump administration is going to push forward with these immigration bans despite what the judiciary does, that would represent a constitutional crisis of unprecedented scope. >> do you see something look that potentially even happening? >> i don't think so. i mean, i think that his comments were likely out of bounds and i think by and large what we've seen is the trump administration has adhered to these judicial rulings, they have the right to bring it to the supreme court. i don't think they'll get any
different result. we haven't seen a signal yet that the white house was going to ignore the courts. i think that would unite the republicans and democrats against the white house. >> happening now in milwaukee, a showdown with the sheriff. protests around the state against a sheriff who wants his deputies to also act as immigration agents, resulting in hundreds of arrest. a live report next.
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. just over three weeks into the trump presidency and for the third straight weekend, there were nationwide and global rallies protesting trump's policies. in new york people gathered in washington square park pro pestipes protesting against the executive order. in washington, d.c., protesting against the pipeline. and demonstrations in front of planned parenthood. and then there was mexico, hoping to show country-wide unity. protesters in wisconsin are taking part in a protest in
response to sheriff david clark's announcement on facebook that he plans to allow his sheriff deputies to act as immigration agents, as 600 people were arrested across 11 states last week. and president trump tweeted the crackdown on illegal immigrants is merely the keeping of my campaign promise. ron mott, what's it like on the ground there? >> reporter: this is a pretty good sized crowd here. you see a lot of people already with their signs. the plan is to have a little rally here and then they'll march toward the state county courthouse about a mile and a half away. a lot of which is driving this saying he is supporting his deputy officers to become essentially deputies for the federal government to enforce immigration laws, detect and
find people who perhaps are in the country illegally and have them processed. also president trump signing those executive orders, including that controversial travel ban. with us today is -- one more time on your name. >> linda. >> reporter: linda hernandez. linda own as car business here. you have decided to shut down your car business today. how come in. >> to support our community and let the country now the positive contribution we do in this amazing nation. >> reporter: what the concern out of what's happening in washington? >> there's a lot of doubt of what's happening in our community. we are a very well-known community. we keep together. and i think that through information, we're going to, you know, get out of this climate that is not very well known. i just want to tell everyone to give us an opportunity as an
hispanic community. >> reporter: the organizers have asked people to withhold buying things today as sort of an economic boycott. you're not taking money in your business today. what's the message to the local community about people withholding their dollars. >> like i mentioned before, just so they can know we do a very good contribution to those nations. we just want to make sure they know we are very hard workers and some people, like myself, own a business and that we are not letting our community separate -- we don't want families to break down. we want to keep the families together. >> reporter: thank you very much. good luck with the rally today. they are expecting thousands here, chris, maybe as far away as chicago. there was a big bus back there that has brought in some folks. they are expecting the convoy of buses and people to continue to arrive here. >> you'll be updating us this
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happening now in the oval office of the white house, president trump meeting with canadian prime minister justin trudeau. the pictures you're seeing now are the greeting when he came up and was escorted into the oval office by the president of the united states. just about, oh, ten minutes ago the pool, the small number of people who go to these meetings were allowed inside that office
to take what i'm told is less than a minute of video. one of the things that happens inside those pool sprays, which i've been in on a number of occasions is you try to get either the president or the person he's with to say something. you respectfully let them sit, see if they're going to make any comment. sometimes unexpectedly they'll make some sort of statement. in other cases, you wait until the assist tant starts to escort you out, the shout of questions start. i'm told by the pool folks who were inside that room that there weren't any answers to any questions. let's listen to less than one minute of tape of president trump and prime minister trudeau.
>> they might want a handshake. okay. >> thank you, press. thank you very, very much. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. >> i don't think you're going to be able to hear it but apparently at the end somebody shouted a question to the president asking him if he'd been to canada and we don't believe that there was any answer. so we will, we expect, get a read out of that meeting when that finishes. in the meantime a big story developing in california. really a race against time of the nation's tallest dam.
crews rushing to fix a massive hole in the emergency spillway will. nearly 200,000 people living downriver from the oroville dam were told to leave. >> we thought we were okay and then all of a sudden, bam, you need to leave. >> i was trying to get into the gas station, and then i was trying to get out of the gas station. i had people almost hitting me, running me over. it was insane. >> i mean, even when we evacuated for '97, it wasn't that bad. i've worked here for over 33 years and this is the worst i've ever seen it. >> now, if the spillway fails, it could unleash a 30-foot wall of water on the residents below. steve patterson joins me from
oroville, about 70 miles north of sacramento. we're hearing the california national guard has told 23,000 service members to be ready to deploy if needed. what's the situation now and what's being done to patch up that hole? >> reporter: that call for the national guard is almost unprecedented. the last time the call has gone out to the entire national guard like this is 1992, the l.a. riots. that's to give you an idea of how massive this operation is. look behind me. have you ever seen sandbagging like this, using boulders? they brought in boulders from all over the region. they're going to load the white bags up and try to fill in the breach on the spillway. that is the danger. there's a huge, massive crater in that about 250 feet wide, 40 feet deep earlier this week. they couldn't use that. for the first time really in 48 years, they started using this
emergency spillway, until engineers found erosion in that as well. so the operation behind me is part of a larger respiratiopera make sure people are safe. there are emergency workers lined up all along this river system and downstream from the river system, helicopters that will be looking for people. the evacuation that was put into place sunday night remains that way. 200,000 people evacuated and those people will remain under evacuation until engineers can prove that the area is safe. that work will take some time, though. >> thank you for that update. msnbc meteorologist bill karins joins me for a look at what led to all of this. i can't tell you how many people have asked me what exactly is going on and can it be fixed. >> a lot of people at this the dam itself is in trouble. it is 66 feet faller than the
hoover dam. it is sound. the problem is all because we've had the heavy rain this winter. this is lake oroville and all the water has been flowing in. eventually we've gotten to 100% capacity, it goes down and the levees protect the stream and that's a perfect world. as they began to let the water out faster, cracks in spillway led to this huge crack and erosion. as they release a ton of water, they concerned. and they decided to open up the emergency spillway. so 901 feet is the magic number. when it reached 901 feet, it started going over the emergency spillway and this was going fine for about a day or two until you see the pictures on the left and the pictures behind me, erosion started taking place.
this was built in 1968 and about ten years ago, people were saying this needs to be improved. and the federal government ignored the people. they have to get water out safely without too much additional water coming in. here's the rainfall forecast over the next seven days, another three to five inches right near oroville in the mountains. i don't know when they're going to let these people back in. >> this has to do with infrastructure. this is going to get very political in the days ahead. >> appreciate it. coming up, why do canadian citizens pay less for health care and live longer? and i'll talk live about justin trudeau's visit to the white house, which is happening right now.
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happening now, president trump meeting with canadian prime minister justin trudeau at the white house. this is video that came in moments ago of the two in the oval office. it's trudeau's first-ever meeting with president trump. we'll have any information as soon as we get it. meantime, the u.s. and canada, that alliance as important as ever but there isn't always agreement on big ticket issues, including health care. it is a timely topic as republicans look to repeal and replace obamacare.
jacob soboroff has the story. >> reporter: if you're sick or injured, you're going to want to show up at a place like this, sometimes by helicopter. this is seattle's harror view medical sen center where can yot some of the best care in the world. what type of patients come through here? >> we see everything. >> reporter: so no matter what may happen to you, you come here, we'll give you good service? >> absolutely. >> reporter: health care like this comes at a cost. we spend 17% of our gdp on health care. >> can i ask you what happened? >> i got hit on my bike riding to work. i originally came in with some fractured rips, a lacerated spleen and i broke my fee mmur. they did surgery on my yesterday. >> reporter: i'm told if something like what happened to you happens, this is the place
to go. >> exactly. >> reporter: in terms of insurance and payment, that is working okay, too? >> i think we're just figuring that out. >> we're just trying to get him better. >> reporter: so this is your c.t. scanner? >> yes, it's one of a couple that we have. >> reporter: how much does something like this have? >> for the whole setup, the scanner, room, infrastructure, probably over $1.5 million. >> reporter: $1.5 million? >> yes. >> reporter: americans. all this technology to good use. twice as many americans per capita got mris as our canadian neighbors in 2013. it's part of the reason americans spend $10,000 a year on health care compared to under $6,000 by canadians. but all that technology doesn't mean we're living longer. we headed north to vancouver,
canada to find out what they think we're doing wrong. when i was coming to the doctor's office, i didn't anticipate feeling like i was going to the gym. pro active rather than reactive. >> reporter: at st. paul's hospital, dr. kahn run as program aimed at stopping health problems. >> we try to get the message out there how important it is to control with blood pressure. we work with doctors to be aggressive in treatment. >> reporter: before you end up in the c.t. machine. >> that's right. >> reporter: one puts the hypertension rate in canada at 19% and the u.s. at 30%. a stress test. is this going to be really, really itchy? this is my "40-year-old virgin"
moment. is this the way to figure out whether i need some preventive treatment to see if i will have a heart attack or stroke later in life? >> absolutely. >> reporter: in the u.s. we don't do this. >> this is more preventive. >> reporter: wow. so that really escalated quickly. >> jacob soboroff, who is always game. jacob adds that canada spends less on health care and that citizens live longer in part because they do invest in what we just saw, preventive action while we in the u.s. wait until emergencies. president trump and prime
minister trudeau have very different opinions on a lot of things, including immigration and trade. joining me now former canadian prime minister kim campbell. miss campbell, it's good to see you. what are you looking for out of this meeting this morning? >> what are the most critical issues to discuss? >> i think trade and security are the big issues president trump will be interested in. americans know very little about us or about the relationship. going back to even the early 70s when nixon slapped imports tariffs on canadians and then said oh, we didn't mean you. administrations are not aware of how integrated the canadian/american economies are. americans have a trade surplus in services and a small deficit in goods.
getting across the fact that 9 million american jobs rely on trade with canada, if you look at the united states, the vaer, there's a big swath whose largest trading partner is cana canada. >> so how concerned are you about the president's plan to renegotiate nafta? >> reporter: well, there are a number of examples where he's pulled back on statements he made before the election. the nafta is a three-party agreement. in its course of being enforced over 20 years, the economies have become quite integrated. canada said we're open to reneging and tweak trade agreements. that's natural. the economy is quite different when we implemented the canada-u.s. trade agreement. but i think throwing the baby out with the bath water is a mistake. in some sense, president trump's
views about trade are kind of 20th century. i think he's thinking you can just put up tariffs and manufacturing will come back. that's not where the challenge is. the challenge is on knowledge-led growth. that's a different challenge that the americans need to meet. americans are manufacturing more than ever. they're just not manufacturing it with the same labor. it very automated. lots of robots and machines. >> but as i'm sure you know, a lot of people saw him as successful businessman, they wanted more jobs in the united states suggesting that he is naive on trade? >> i just think if you look at the things that he himself manufactures and sells, they're made in china and mexico. he needs to say to himself why am i doing this? and where are the opportunities pore americans? and there are opportunities. but it's important not to have an out of date paradime because
you will result -- i think the economies of the 21st century require a very different outlook. i hope that canada can be a partner with the united states. so much of our trade is at that tie level. this is a relationship where it's really important to see what works and how we can boost both of our economies. >> former canadian prime mister kim campbell, good to have you on the show. >> my pleasure. >> a new report says trump and his team turned mar-a-lago dining center into a command center this weekend. that's next. ut a cracked windshield. so she scheduled at safelite.com and with safelite's exclusive "on my way text" she knew exactly when i'd be there, so she didn't miss a single shot.
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and we're back with our daily briefing on politics. senior members of president trump's administration are pedaling the president's claim of widespread voter fraud. >> dead people voting, noncitizens being registered to vote. george, if is a fact and you will not deny it that there are massive numbers of noncitizens in this country who are registered to vote. that is a scandal. we should stop the process and as a country, we should be aghast about the fact that you have people who have no right to vote in this country registered
to vote, cancelling out of franchise of lawful citizens of this country. that's the story we should be talking about. >> joining me now, nbc news senior political editor mark murray. massive numbers. it is a fact. does steven miller or anybody in the white house for that matter have actual evidence to back up those claims? >> reporter: absolutely not, chris. it is absolutely not a fact there was widespread voter fraud in the 2016 presidential election. the evidence that the trump administration, whether it's been president trump himself or sean spicer is they keep citing academic studies that were conducted where even the authors of that study say that shouldn't be extrapolated saying 14% or millions of americans voted illegally. in one of the biggest misconceptions in whole story is what people refer to voters
fraud or voter registration of people who have died or moved state to state. as we've seen, there are members in the trump family who have multiple voter registration, that is not the same thing as voter fraud. >> while the president was in mar-a-lago with the japanese prime minister shinzo abe, north korea tested the numbering near missile. give us a sense how the trump handled this as the white house. it's different than in the past. >> we're getting one cnn report that mar-a-lago that there was a big discussion between japanese prime minister abe as well as donald trump and their aides when they got news of this, and this is something that the people at the private club were able to take pictures. the cnn report as well as are photographs are still things nbc has not yet confirmed. if there was a major discussion during dinner where bystanders were watching what was going on
is a very interesting turn of events, given just how classified information became such abimportant story in the to 16 election with republicans saying hillary clinton was mishandling matters of national security and classified information where now we have potentially a situation where donald trump was trying to discuss what was going on in north korea in front of a whole bunch of bystanders who probably didn't have classified status. >> thank you, my friend. in the year where awards shows doubling as a platform for politics. the grammy awards no exception. >> president agent orange for perpetuating all the evil you've been perpetuating throughout the united states. >> that's rapper busta rhymes in one of the most fiery and politically charged moments. adele wins the top awards as beyonce makes her first public
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protest. ♪ >> no hate! >> it's important to me to show images to my children that reflect their beauty so they can grow up in a world where they look in the mirror first through their own families as well as the news, the super bowl, the olympics, the white house and the grammys and see themselves. and have no doubt that they're beautiful, intelligent and capable. this is something i want for every child of every race. ♪ i just want to thank president agent orange ♪ ♪ for perpetuating all of the evil that you've been perpetu e perpetuating throughout the united states ♪ ♪ i want to thank president agent orange for your unsuccessful attempt at the muslim ban ♪ ♪ when we come together, we the people, we the people ♪ >> and the way that you make me and my friends feel, the way you make my black friends feel is empowering and you make them stand up for themselves and i love you. >> adele was talking to bae
there. joining me host of the podcast good one, jesse fox. this is sort of becoming the new way that performers of all stripes, tv, movies, and now of course music, get to have their say. >> yes. it basically gets to talk directly to the camera for a couple of minutes. >> with a really friendly audience. >> everyone is cheering them on, yeah, i can keep on going. these are all performers especially the musicians are used to talking in this way. >> you have two women, adele and beyonce, only need one word to say who they are, they are people of extraordinary musical gifts but they couldn't be more different. >> you got to start with beyonce, because like it or not, and twitter was a little bit mixed on it, it was a showstopper. >> oh that performance? it was an unbelievable thing.
>> when she went back in the chair -- >> i was nervous. you had to assume it was rigged. you never know. i don't think i've ever seen anything like it. like many people it was a religious experience and she didn't win album of the year but started a cult in some ways. >> adele heard her, she did the tribute saying that was the album for her, but the thing about adele, while she doesn't have the big costumes and doesn't do the moves she's so human and we saw it when she stopped and started in her tribute. >> it almost seemed like it was on perfect, such a perfect thing to do. last year there was technical difficulties and the grammys performances it's hard not to. midway through george michael she's like, if i'm going to tribute to this person who is so important to me i have to start over and do it right. i think it will start a trend. lot of performers know but feel it's too late but only adele can
be no. >> rerack the music. chance the rapper made history last night. wow. >> that performance was again like a religious experience. he had the whole church behind him. as an independent artist who doesn't sell his music to win grammys, he literally had to change the rules to do it. that is a big deal because of him as an individual artist but moving forward we don't have to have the same restrictions for being nominated and winning awards. >> two guys from my home state of ohio decided to take off their pants and get on stage and it turned into a moving moment because they said when we were nobody, we're sitting around in our underwear watching the grammys, anybody out there can do this. >> i remember the 21 pilots got up and took their pants off. oh, great, some bit, and then they explained that's what they agree if they ever won, which is a pretty gutsy thing to say when
you're just a bunch of kids in ohio but it was a sweet story in a nice way to start the night off. >> it was a great show. james corden is as far as i'm concerned should host everything from now on because i love him so much but that's me. jesse, thanks so much for coming. next one is oscars. >> next one. >> see you for the oscars. thank you for watching this hour of "msnbc live." i'm chris jansing. right now on msnbc, "andrea mitchell reports." >> and right now on "andrea mitchell reports," borderline right now at the white house. the canadian prime minister meeting with president trump, while the official topic is trade and women in business being empowered, the flash point is immigration. justin trudeau putting out the welcome mat for refugees in canada as president trump cracks down on undocumented immigrants at home and wages a legal battle over his immigration ban, sparking massive protests in mexico sunday. the author of the travel ban throws fuel on the