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behind the resignation. all we have is the confirmation memo from rupert murdoch. more news to come out about this. it is part of the job going shake-up of that only the talent at the network but the major players behind the scenes. that wraps things up. >> we'll keep going with that story too. i'm ali velshi. here are the top three stories we're working on. president trump said he would be honored to meet with north korean dictator kim jong-un. this comes hours after chief of staff reince priebus said he couldn't see president trump meeting with the north korean leader. plus we've learned the electrolysis defense system in north korea known as thaad is operational: the deal includes $15 billion in new defense
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spending but has no funding for the president's border wall. this comes as we could see a vote on health care this week. of the. >> gary cohn said this morning, the votes are in. it will pass. >> i think the votes are there and it is it will pass this week. it is close but i think it will pass. >> we're also following today's may day rallies across the country. thousands of workers take to the streets on protest president trump's policies. we'll talk to our reporters here in new york city and los angeles. we've got it all covered on this very busy news day. chris jansing is at the white house. and chris, what are we hearing from the white house about donald trump saying he would be open to meeting with kim jong-un, in fact saying he would be honored if the circumstances were right. >> this is extremely controversial and the president himself acknowledged as such. he said, and i'm quoting, most
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political people would never say that. but i'm telling you, under the right circumstances, i would meet with him. obviously sean spicer got pressed on that. here's what he said referring specifically to under the right circumstances. >> do we have the votes for health care? >> we do. this will be a great week. we'll get health care to the floor of the house. we're convinced we've got votes and we'll keep moving on with our agenda. >> so obviously that was not the right sound bite. what sean spicer said it was right circumstances would have to be met. that would include a ratcheting down of the tensions, a r ratcheting down of the provocative behavior. that there would be a series of conditions that would have to be met for the president to consider doing that. but he said we would be prepared to, but they are not there at this time. and of course as you mentioned, one of the things raised a lot
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of eyebrows was him saying he would be honored to do it, given the human rights abuses under kim jong-un including public executions. pls no merge president has ever double it before. i think we have sean spicer now. let's take a listen. >> i think that's the key thing under the right circumstances, was i believe the phrase he used. and that's something in keeping, consistent with the policy expressed by secretary tillerson as well. we have to see the provocative behavior ratcheted down immediately. there are a lot of conditions with almost to the behavior and to show signs of good faith. clearly the conditions are not there right now. but i think the president has made it clear as secretary tillerson did the other day, if the circumstances present themselves, we'll be prepared to. they're clearly not will at this time. and sean spicer also
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emphasized that the key for this administration is to ratchet down the tensions and the nuclear ambitions of north korea and all of this would be. in context. >> the honor thing was straining because he dueled congratulate turkish president erdogan on what is think a sketchy referendum. he's complimented the president of the philippines who is lar largely believed to be disregarding human rights. are the spicer answering some questions, they say they're a handful away from the 216 votes needed to pass this new health care bill. what have you got on this? >> well, either they're a handful away from passage or a handful short. it is very close right now. and the leadership are probably more optimistic than i've heard them be so far about getting point the where they're able to vote on this this week. but it is going to be really
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down to the wire. they can afford to lose, assuming everybody is heefrlt they can lose 22 republican votes on this before they wouldn't have the 216 that they would need. and i think even if they do go forward with this vote, you will see about that many republicans vote no. leaders want to let some of the moderate members who don't want to vote for this beg off. and not take what could be a very politically difficult vote for members in these more moderate districts where there might be a threat from a democrat in 2018. so the white house is probably in better shape handle the we saw this get pulled off the floor in the first place. this pre-existing conditions thing really a problem for these moderate members. and they're trying to find a way to help people feel about taking this vote. maybe something the hhs secretary could do. members all coming in today from
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their respective districts. so i think we'll get a sense of the pulse of it. >> i'll spend time talking about the risk pools that the white house says will pick up the slack. >> i the want to bring in norm. in an interview with trump, he said considering bringing back a version of a bill from 1933 that separated consumer bank that's lent money from investment and commercial banks. the that has been whittled away over the years. he said i'm looking temperature right now. there are some people who want to go back to the old system. the president full out promised things that he doesn't do. so when he says he's looking at something, i don't know how seriously we should take it. but for those who don't follow this, why is this important? >> what we've seen when it was repealed, banks got into a whole series of other areas where they
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had conflicts with their own consumers and you could argue that it led almost inexorably to the financial crisis that we had. as i've talked to experts in the field, putting this back together, going back would be extraordinarily difficult if not impossible. the interesting thing other than almost everything president trump says he'll do, it doesn't work out that way. this is kind of proposal that a bernie sanders would do. so bringing a right wing and left wing together, at least with rhetoric. the likeliness of making this a reality is close to zero. >> the dow is up a few points. if the markets were taking had seriously -- >> here's one prediction that
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i'll make. the banking people will talk to president trump and he is going to say, i the didn't realize it was that complicated. >> talk about complicated, let's talk about the deal on extend funding until september when the new budget comes into play. this sanity new budget deal. this is 2017. an extension of what's going on. what do you make of this? we are nowhere near where we should be in a budgeting circumstance. >> this is a new level of dysfunction that we have. what happened here left basically chuck schumer and nancy pelosi and the democrats very happy. and the republican leaders not very happy. it was a capitulation. republicans in congress and the white house realized if there were a government shutdown and they didn't have the votes among their own republicans to get a
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spending bill done, that time was running out, they would be blamed for it. so democrats had all the cards. this was is the case of the trump deal maker losing on just about everything. and democrats getting the spending they wanted including areas protecting the health care plan. more money for the national institutes of health. directly blocking any spending for the wall. it was a complete disaster for republicans. but this is through september. they'll have a new fiscal year beginning on day one. and the difficulty finding the votes among republicans, some who want to cut spending even more. others will rear back from the budget. >> keep your end of september
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free to join me. thank you to all three of you. we have some breaking news for you. bill shine has resigned from the network. i want to bring in our msnbc contributor gabe sherm an who first broke this story a short time ago. gabe, for our viewers, they'll know the talent but not those behind the scenes. tell us what this is about. >> it is really hard to understate the importance of this story. bill shine was the co-president of fox news. he had replaced roger ailes in the wake of ailes' firing last year amidst the harassment scandal. he was at the center of a number of scandals himself regarding sexual harassment and racial discrimination. he was named in lawsuits. and this was a sign that the culture at fox news had not
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changed and there was a ground swell of protests from women inside fox news as well as critics outside the network. and today, murdoch decided to let him resign. so besides the exodus of bill o'reilly, this was the biggest news of departure. >> some time ago, when the stories of sexual harassment started to come together at fox. there were some allegations from some people who complained that bill shine as a role as an accommodator of the things roger ailes was up to. yes. he was at his right hand imagine. he was at the network since the beginning in 1996. he was in almost every key meeting with roger ailes. and women i've interviewed have said that he was aware of the
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sexual harassment. we should point out he has denied knowing about it. he was in a position to know. it shows that he enabled and allowed thisser arer atmosphere of that went on unchecked for many years. >> this wasn't just a passive turning of a blind eye. there are allegations that bill shine was involved in the cutting of a check. if there was a check to be cut. or the logistics of some of the things that roger ailes was up to with female subordinate workers. >> yes, of course. one of the most vivid and disturbing cases was that of laurie moon, a female fox news executive who said that she was subject to almost a 20-year sexual and psychological abusive
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relationship with bill ailes and bill shine arranged to travel to new york for meetings. he mondayered the her e-mails when roger ailes was worried that she might go rogue and go public with the stories of her experience. and so bill shine again was intimately involved. not just turning a blind eye but facilitating these liaisons that roger ailes had. and he's denied it. but i think today's resignation is a sign that clearly where there's smoke, there's fire. >> i want to read the memo that was set to fox employees. from rupert murdoch and it says sadly bill shine resigned today. i know he was respected and liked by everybody at fox news. we will all miss him. kind of remarkable in three sentences, that it can be controversial.
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are that bill was almosted and liked by everybody at fox news. we will all miss him. >> clearly not a factual statement. efls liked and respected by the talent. specially men. bill shine was sean hannity's long time producer before being incorporated. but women inside fox news, i think that statement that murdoch released was very misleading. because arer he actively took part. >> great reporting as always. thank you as always. >> thank you. coming up next from declaring that he would you abo about, unilaterally act. >> i would not be happy. if he does a nuclear test, i will not be happy. and i don't believe that the president of china who is a very
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new comment from trump on the matter. kelly is standing by live. >> another surprise from president trump today. the president saying that he would be honored to sit down with north korean leader kim jong yunun, under the right circumstances. there was a statement responding to the u.s. policy of maximum pressure and engagement saying they would honor by speeding up their nuclear program, quote, to a maximum pace. all of this as cia director mike pompeo. he is in seoul with his wife. he is meeting with officials as well as embassy officials talking strategy after that failed missile test of the north koreans on saturday. h.r. mcmaster also reaching out the this ally, talking to his south korean counter part over the weekend about that
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anti-missile defense system, reaffirming the u.s.' commitment to a deal that they would pay for the operational and deployment costs for thaad. also talking about upping the pressure on north korea. and today, japan entering the fray militarily. japan sending its largest warship alongside a u.s. military supply shipment heading to the region. heading to the uss carl vinson strike group as protection. >> kelly cobiella, thank you. >> keeping in line with what kelly just said, i want to play something that white house chief of staff reince priebus said this morning about this potential meeting with kim jong be un. listen with me. >> can you imagine situation where they sit face to face and have a conversation? >> not right now, i can't.
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not right now, i don't. unless the person was willing to disarm and give up what he's put into mountain sides across his country and give up his drive for nuclear capability and icbms. i think the answer is probably not. and i don't see that happening. >> what do you make of that? what do the folks at the pentagon make of that? >> it is clear to officials that the trump administration wants a diplomatic solution. so reince priebus wasn't accurate when he spoke and it became inaccurate when trump said he would meet with kim jong-un. almost without pre conditions. the language was interested. that he would be honored. weighed hint this might be happening last week had secretary tillerson was speaking.
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that they want a meeting without pre conditions. in the past there's been the importance of six party talks and not meeting until certain pre conditions were met. this is a blank state. and here at the pentagon where they do talk about military options. the preferred option is diplomacy. >> if i were north koreans, i would think a lot of things are interesting. the discussions. talks, that president trump seemed to be complimenting kim jong-un as a kid. calling him a smart, two cookie. he talked about the south koreans paying for the thad missile system and said the trade missile the u.s. has with south korea isn't so good. where are we with the missile system? apparently the u.s. is paying for it and it is operational? >> it is has missile capability. this won't be the total on that operational ability.
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there are more batteries that are planned to be set up. i think what's important about thad being set up, leave aside the payment of it. the speed with which it was deployed. it happened remarkably quickly. if you were to talk to me two months ago on when they thought thad might be operational, i would have said mid summer. we had a hint of this last week from the head of the go pacific command saying in a few weeks he was right. and they're claiming it was initially operational. >> for a deeper look at this, i'm joined by someone who knows this topic like no one else. good morni ed gordon chang. something that can't be missed here. south korea a major strategic ally of the united states. they have an election on may 9.
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their president has had to resign under scandal. all of this with north korea, how is that paying out in south korea in terms of the election? >> i think that president trump's comments are helping the anti-merge candidate in this election, moon jae-in who doesn't like the united states, who might even break the treaty. when trump said we might break the free trade agreement with korea, we might have the koreans pay a billion more for thaad. now talking about, honored relating to kim jong-un. if he ends up winning by a squeaker, people will say trump got him elected. what is the implication of that? how important is south korea as a u.s. ally? >> absolutely important. nothing good ever happens with south korea and washington have different policies on north korea. in the laugh years, there was no daylight between seoul and
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washington. now there will probably be an enormous gulf and trump will have to work enormous diploma stoi manage that. it may not even be possible. the last thing we want to do is elect someone who doesn't like us. >> i want to and but the missile test. we're calling it a failed test. it didn't reach the sea. you're saying this may not have been failed. >> this may have been a test of just the first stage motor maybe the separation of the first and second phases. when they do, they put a ballast in the second phase. if it were in the sea, we could recover it. this was designed probably to fail over north korean territory. >> and that's an issue. we don't, there's stuff about north korea we don't know. our intelligence doesn't penetrate as well as other countries. >> and this missile test, we would like to know what's going
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on. to see how much progress they're making. the u.s. intelligence community has said this is a failed test. that's a possibility. it is also a possibility they can exactly what they wanted and we won't know that. because we can't pick up the parts. >> they've five nuclear tests. we haven't seen a sixth. why not? why send out a thing could be inter interim, interim retd as failed? >> first, i don't think they want to advertise before may 9. they don't want to help the conservatives in that election. also, i think kim jong-un may have been intimidated by president trump when he launched the missile strikes in syria. and that i think the united states probably affected the chinese perceptions of us so the chinese probably worked on the north koreans over the last two weeks which pre vend them from testing. everybody thought they woulder test by april 15 and they didn't do it.
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they have their eye on the election calendar in south korea. >> would you imagine the thing with -- maybe you tell me. what does north korea want most? do they want deal that enhances their economy? iran was able to flip a switch and start doing business with the rest of world. north korea can't do that. they generally don't make anything that anyone wants to buy. >> i think the north koreans want a couple things. they want deterrent. they've never given up their goal of ruling the entire peninsula. >> the south kreenls want it to be one korea as well under their rule. >> not non1950 but all the way to 2010. so this is, of course, an issue for the south koreans. i think at this particular time kim jong-un the doesn't want under restricted trade with the world. i think he probably wants a
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limited opening. he wants money and of course he wants his nukes and long range missiles. coming up, he knows the of thousands are protesting across the country, protesting the president's immigration and labor policies. after the break we'll head to new york and looks to see where the crowds growing. why pause a spontaneous moment? cialis for daily use treats ed and the urinary symptoms of bph. tell your doctor about your medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas® for pulmonary hypertension, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have a sudden decrease or loss of hearing or vision, or an allergic reaction, stop taking cialis
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a massive search is underway for the person who shot two people, clawing paramedic. the shooting happened near a fire training facility earlier today. the paramedic is in critical condition in surgeriory right now. we'll continue to follow the latest on this breaking news. we'll bring you any updates. to the big story we're following, severe weather in the south and the midwest is killing at least 15 people, including several children. four tornadoes touched down in eastern texas. severe storms tore through parts of the south and the midwest. the flooding reached from tokyo illinois and kentucky an 18-year-old was killed after his vehicle was swept away by floodwaters. and episodes of the netflix show orange is the new black was
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leaked more than a month before it was released. it was released after netflix refused to pay a ransom. they have not verified the files and in a statement, netflix said they were waefrt situation and quote, the appropriate law enforcement authorities are involved. a class action suit has been fired against the fire festival, charges of fraud. it was billed as two-week luxury getaway in the bahamas. attendees arrived to find an under finished sight. there were relief tents. they are offering refunds. we're also keeping our eye on the protests across the globe. a day meant for workers rights but given the political situation. in paris this morning, police in riot gear used tear gas on
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disperse dozens of people wearing gas masks throwing molotov cocktails six days before the country's presidential election. let's get you caught up. >> let's start with you. what type of turnout are you seeing in los angeles? >> have you got me? >> we're going to find steve. ron? you're in new york. what have you got behind you? >> reporter: i can hear you. we're here at unit square. it has been a beautiful day. a huge open space. if you look that way you can see the crowds extend for a city block. in direction. i would say over the course of the day, from 11:00 or so, several thousand people have easily come here. and you're right. this is not just about labor rights and worker rights and union rights. it is about a whole range of issues from immigration to syria
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to gun control. you name it. police brutality. i want to show you in that direction this bus is going to move out of the way and you will see there, there is a very small group of pro that donald trump, pro president trump supporters. there. some of them have had signs saying things like lost to the protesters. they're taunting them. we saw them yelling back and forth. earlier we talked on some of the pro trump supporters. here's what some of them had to say about why they're here. >> we have a president, his name is donald trump. the people on the other side should semiit or go back to another country to live. >> reporter: is this being antagonistic though? >> it is absolutely being an as t the, antagonistic. sometimes you have to when your freedoms are being attacked. >> reporter: you probably saw
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there's a long line of police over there. they go and extend gown block for quite a ways. they're staying out of the way and letting the protests develop. we're in a low now. but a key moment will be about 5:00 eastern time when the protesters plan to march from here to city hall. they told me they don't necessarily have a permit to do that. so the lines are drawn. police are in the middle. things are calm. we'll see what happens later in the afternoon. >> back to steve in los angeles. what have you got there? >> reporter: we have to apologize before. no technical fault of anybody. it is so ridiculously loud. we're in the middle of just one of several groups that are marching right now. what will happen in the next few minutes, they will meet up at some point in flash points all over los angeles. this is pro immigration group
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rallying against donald trump's anti-immigration policies. that is really the rallying cry. there are so many are groups that have come together for this rally. you have traditional black civil rights leaders. you have lgbt community leaders coming together for this march of solidarity. in all, they're talking about the estimation of 100,000 to 200,000 people, when it is all said and done. more than 100 groups. one of the largest may day protests in this city's histories. we're following along as they meet up at the next flash point. we do expect possibly some sort of confrontation. we are hearing there is a pro battle trump that's gathering in los angeles headquarters as we speak. at some of the point this group will meet with that group. thankfully, the los angeles police department is here in force sxs they home to keep what has been so far a peaceful rally. we're with them all day and
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we'll bring you more as we have it. >> i like that somebody finally owns up to the fact, when you're a reporter in the field, sometimes it is just too loud the their anchor. thank you for that. steve and ron covering the rallies in new york and los angeles for us. we'll stay with you through the course of the afternoon and see how these develop. coming up, donald trump compares his successful presidential campaign to andrew jackson's. he says though he died in 1845, he could have prevented the civil war. the trouble is, the civil war the didn't break out until 1861 which is 15 years after jackson died. (avo) charmin ultra strong. it cleans better. it's four times stronger and you can use less. enjoy the go with charmin. i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses,
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termites never stop trying to get in, we never stop working to keep them out. terminix. defenders of home. in that era of bizarre hot takes, this is from president trump. see if you can pick up the error in what he told sirius radio. >> had andrew jackson been a little later, you wouldn't have had the civil war. he was a very tough person but he had a big heart. he was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said there's no reason for this. people don't realize, the civil w war, if you think about it, why? people don't and that question. why was there the civil war?
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why could that one not have been worked out? >> first andrew jackson died 16 years before the civil war started. on top of that, he owned about 150 slaves at the time of his death. i want to welcome karen finney, msnbc political analyst, and the founder of foundry strategies and a former spokesperson for the ted cruz campaign. >> pretty clear that it happens and why it happened. here's the problem with this whole thing. it is funny in many ways. it shows a sort of, what we know about this president. facts don't really seem the matter. truths don't really seem to matter. on a serious note, the question that it raises is, i would want to then know, what is it that
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president trump believes the civil war and why it started? there's a neo confederate movement that says hit nothing to do with slavery. is the president trying to pittsburgh the civil war was not about slavery? that it was about economics? is he trying, there's actually a serious question. >> there is. but karen makes a good point. let's say you agree it was about states rights. the federal government trampbling all over them. wasn't a simple, why did it happen? i don't know why the president chooses to weigh into these topics. he will to have back pedal on every last one of them. >> this made no sense. if he wanted to make the case if andrew jackson had lived longer and was president before the civil war, i think he has a very
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poor case to make. he was a slave holder. he didn't speak out against slavery. he certainly wasn't the northern abolitionist that's ultimately won't to create the republican party and lincoln. when lincoln was elected, the democrats left the south because they thought their property, e.e., slaves would be taken from them. weighed civil war over it. and it ended it. but the idea that jackson, i don't see how -- certainly people were talking about slavery then. there were a lot of christian ministers running around, the abolitionist group and talking about the rep rehenciveness of slavery at the time. it didn't happen for many, many sea later. >> i think the question, i'll say the question back to the president, ought to be, are you saying this because this is to send this sort of dog whistle to the alt right and those who
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believe that it was about states rights? that if you're going to put such a simple test, why did it have to happen? are you trying to send a sigl to your supporters from the alt right? or are you just really that confused about the time line and about history? >> a little puzzling. >> let's talk about something we understand. reince priebus said they expect the house to vote this week. as casey likes to point out, a few votes away from not getting it passed. president trump talked about pre-existing conditions. >> pre-existing conditions are in the bill. and i said, it has to be. >> one of the things that was optional for the states. >> sure. in one of the fixes. so changing it and changing it. >> so you're saying it will be pre-existing -- >> this has evolved over a
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period of three or four weeks. >> so and i have a few tussles, are pre-existing conditions covered or not? >> they're not. >> either the president is lying to the american people. paul ryan is lying to the president or the president doesn't actually know what's in the bill. if only andrew jackson had lived long enough to solve this problem. >> karen, this is a tough situation. when i can't even fight with rick tyler about something. >> you know what? i'll tell you. this is very dangerous. there is a pattern here that we've seen over and over again. you're left to either say, well, either the president doesn't know or he knows and is woefully lying. so we have to kind of sit back and wait and see what happens.
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that's why we've seen people so stridently fighting to save obamacare. they don't like the idea of being told, again, pre-existing conditions and a number of other feet purchases they like may or may not be in there. they want to make sure our basic health care is protected. >> so if this is true, president trump said that is his baseline. you keep pre-existing conditions. he said it right after he was elected. okay. you'll get the freedom caucus on site. is this going to be health care repeal and replace gone wrong times two? >> it depends. i think the vote is very, very close. pre-existing conditions remain in the bill unless just, to follow up on what she was saying, unless the governors take it out. so there is a way for pre-existing conditions if you live in a certain state, you're
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not covered by pre-existing conditions. but what the federal government is doing is punting it to the states and letting them decide whether their state policies cover pre-existing conditions or not. that's something the freedom caucus found acceptable. we'll see if the moderates find it acceptable. >> good to see you. rick, a whole new relationship between the two of us. >> if only andrew jackson had lived long enough to do american health care act. after the break, chaos in the cabinet. international flight hits major turbulence, sending passengers through the plane. for hide n' s) ready or not, here i come. ♪
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some dangerous and terri terrifying moments for passengers on an aeroflot flight from moscow to bangkok overnight. hit severe turbulence. video on the plane after the incident shows injured passengers laying in the aisles. nbc's chief global correspondent b bill neely is in london. bill, usually a pilot gets warning from a pilot who's already been through turbulence to let them know where it is. this seemed to hit them out of nowhere. >> not in this case. if you fly, you've probably felt turbulence but this was something else. 40 minutes before the flight was
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due to land in bangkok, suddenly without warning, the boeing 777 began to shake violently. passengers were hurled up onto the roof of the plane. back down again. some of them took those videos and the stills immediately afterwards. as you can see, they showed passengers in the aisles, debris scattered everywhere. 27 people in all were hurt. some of them had fractured or broken bones in their hands, their legs and their ribs. one passenger said it felt like the shaking just wouldn't stop, that we would crash. absolutely terrifying. well as you say, the violent shaking came from nowhere. the russian airline aeroflot said the plane hit something called clear air turbulence. now, that's a well-known problem. hundreds of cases every year. it cannot be picked up by radar. the pilot can't see it, and so the crew who were very experienced had no chance to warn the passengers. the airlines say it was impossible to foresee. the russians say some of the passengers simply didn't have
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their seat belts fastened, hence the injuries. three people needed surgery. two of them for multiple leg fractures. one child was hurt. but no one has life-threatening injuries. now, in the u.s., about 60% a year are injured by clear air turbulence. a year. this was 27. pretty serious. the skies were clear, weather was good. it's huge masses of air that collide. if your plane is stuck in the middle, watch out. i suppose, ali, the lesson is keep your seat belt fastened for as long as you can. >> that's what they say, why the pilots say it, it's worth noting, this is good piloting that kept this plane going through it and a well-built plane. if it's that rough and that plane still keeps flying, that should give everybody a little pause. put your seat belt on. bill, thank you for that. bill neely in london. keeping an eye on markets today after president trump said in an interview he's considering bringing back a version of
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glass/steagall. minutes to go to the closing, i'm calling in my buddy, half brother, ron insana keeping an eye on the markets for us today. the dow a flat, been flat for a while. the concept of bringing back glass/steagall, this was a bill that kept commercial banks and lending banks separate. >> right, this has to be done for a legislative act. the president can't just declare that goldman sachs and morgan stanley are investment banks. bank of america has to get rid of marl lin merle lin -- also needs to be reformed in order to get this done. this is a long process. wall street shrugged this off. the banks are soft. what's driving the market today, ali, is tech. apple is at an all-time high. $250 billion in cash. the nasdaq up 50 points or so at last check. the dow is lagging a bit. >> important to note, we often think the markets go in the same
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direction. that's a big gain on the nasdaq. look, we saw last week quite a good week for markets. what's driving, is it earnings or is it some political stuff? >> there has been some hope, obviously, that health care reform and tax reform would pass more quickly than they appear to be going through congress. earnings are up 13% thus far reported in the first quarter, 77% of companies that reported their profits thus far have beaten expectations. that's well above the 66% that's normal. so earnings are quite strong, and that is a big lift -- >> that's important because that's not just sentiment. that's not just -- >> no, no. >> -- not investors thinking donald trump is president, regulations are going to go down, taxes are going to go down so i'm going to buy stocks. the only thing that matters for old guys like us is earnings. >> yes. the profits and ability of a company to share those profits with shareholders in the forms of dividends, stock buybacks, boosted by the fact the first-quarter profits are so good. we' the comparables are very easy to
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get a 13% increase in earnings. this is one of the reasons in addition to optimism about tax reform, deregulation and other issues, that the stock market's been rallying since the election. everybody has been factoring in very strong corporate profits in 2017. >> a lot of people are frustr e frustrated that the tax cuts will lead to, possibly lead to a deficit increase. investors don't seem to be too worried about that. >> investors don't -- the thing i think they don't worry about is if the "wall street journal" story is true, that they're going to look at ways to bypass the usual ten-year constraint on blowing up the deficit if you engage in some sort of tax cutting, i think the bond market, not the stock market so much, the bond market might get nervous about this, the fed might have more to worry about, federal reserve, if indeed they were to blow the budget deficit by changing the rules of the game. >> you remember during the election president trump saying he thinks his financial and economic proposals are going to grow the economy 4%, 5%, 6%, gdp growth. steve mnuchin has said 3%. janet yellen has said maybe if
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we do everything right, we might to get to 3%. we're talking about getting to 3% from 2%. ben bernanke with on with my colleague, steve liesman, on cnbc this morning saying 3% would be a stretch even what is being described by the former fed chair as tax cuts, not tax reform. he sees a read need for comprehensive tax reform. what we've seen thus far in the one pager from the white house -- >> tax cutses. >> -- is just unfunded tax cuts. that may in and of itself be helpful to wall street and healthy people to an extent. it is not necessarily great tax policy. >> there are a lot of people who say if you want to goose gdp growth by 50% from a 2% to 3%, immigration, skilled immigration is a bill part of that. need to bring more people in to look. >> listen, you know this equation as well as any of us, it's a very simple equation. the size of the labor force growing plus productivity equals gdp growth. if you constrain the size of the labor force which we're doing because we're discouraging people to come to the united states, plaarticularly high-skilled workers we badly
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need for the technology sector, we're going to put a crimp in the gdp. >> ron, always a pleasure to be with you, thank you for joining us. there we go, we got that closing bell on the dow. and it is closing a little lower than it was a couple of minutes ago but nothing too serious. we've seen a lot of gains on this market over the course of the last few months. that wraps up this hour. i am ali velshi. find me on twitter, facebook, instagr instagram,@alivelshi. snapchat @velshi. cki in new york. topping our agenda. it's the 1 nextnext 100 days bu controversy. >> going to have a great plan or i'm not signing it. >> comments from donald trump in several interviews making headlines including about certain world leaders he'd be willing to meet with. that getting a lot of attention. we're going to go live to the white house on that. also on the agenda, obama