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seem so damned happy? perhaps they can hear the tv ads nailing them for the health insurance? that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "the rachel mad dough" show starts right now. >> it's happening again. almost the exact same thing that happened in our presidential election last year starting first in july and then again in october. a mirror image of that exact attack that was carried out on our election to try to hurt hillary clinton and throw the election to donald trump, that attack that u.s. intelligence agencies now say definitively was carried out by the russian government, russian intelligent services and the russian military intelligence unit, that same exact attack is happening again tonight and this time it is happening in france on the eve of their incredibly consequential presidential election which happens this sunday.
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there has been a law that imposes a news blackout on anything related to the election for a full day before voting starts. we don't have anything like this in our country but its simple. the rule in france, it's a legally enforced thing and you can go to jail if you violate it, basically the rule is, as of midnight tonight, local time france, from midnight tonight, friday night, until the polls
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close there on sunday evening. legally there can be no reporting, no publication of any information that has anything to do with the election that could have any influence on anybody in terms of their choice between the candidates, their choice to vote. so what i am able to report here tonight on american news, it can't be reported there tonight where it's happening because it's after midnight local time there. as if this election was not dramatic enough. a couple weeks ago we had the first round of this election. you'll remember us covering it here on the show. got international attention and deserved it. the first round was a couple weeks ago. this weekend, this sunday it's the runoff. so this is actually the definitive final contest to see who will be the next president of france. it's either going to be the centrist young obama-esque,
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obama-enboersed mainstream campaign macron or it will be someone before this year would be unimaginable of a major western nation. if it's not macron it's going to be marine le pen, who is the leader of what has essentially been the french fascist party for decades. her campaign has been funded by bank loans from the kremlin. she has promised to pull france out of nato. she is likely to pull france out of the eu. she is rabidly, openly anti-immigrant. she doesn't just want to stop illegal, she wants to stop all immigration into that country. she inherited the leadership of this far right party, the front nationale from her charming father who is a holocaust denier. so, this contest to see who's going to be the next president of france, it was dramatic enough already because of these two being the candidates. and because russia has a clear preference in this election, we have seen evidence of what we now recognize as russian information operation designed
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to try to influence french voters in their choice in election. we've seen russia cyber warfare playing out already in this election. there have been reports of hacking efforts. there'been a ton of ssian generated and russian amplified fake news out macron in particular, which marine le pen and her party and supporters have tried to spread themselves and capitalize on just like the trump campaign did when it came to russia-generated fake news about hillary clinton. but that -- we've been watching that unfold over the course of this french campaign through the first primary and into this weekend. as we headed toward the runoff this weekend, i didn't have much of an intention of talking much about the french election tonight but then the late this afternoon, our time, late, late
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tonight their time this story just took a very serious turn. it was just before the blackout deadline arrived. the blackout deadline arrives at midnight local time. just before that blackout deadline arrived, which shuts down all election related news and discussion in the french media. just before that midnight local time deadline tonight, macron campaign suffered a huge cyber attack. all of their internal stuff got posted online. their internal documents, internal e-mails. things like contracts, accounting documents, strategy documents, all apparently hacked off their campaign servers, all posted online at paste bin. which is one of these places you can post stuff anone mounsly. it's apparently about nine gigabytes worth of data. the campaign says most of it is, in fact, legitimate material that is authentic that was definitely stolen off their servers. but they say whoever posted it mixed in fake documentation as well alongside the real stuff, which is a hall mark of a well-run weaponized hacking attack. s now, in terms of who done it?
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it doesn't seem like the people who did it tried very hard to cover up their tracks. analysts thus far say the evidence pretty clearly points to a hacking group that's called apt28. apt28 appears to be the perpetrator of this attack. they're a hacking group associated with russian military intelligence. you may remember the name -- the more memorable name that they also used to describe them which is fancy bear. remember that from the intelligence documen about the attack on our ection? fancy bear, apt 28, they are one of the groups named by u.s. intelligence agencies carried out a similar attack on the clinton campaign last year and on the servers of the democratic party. in france they've posted it on paste bin, but internal documents posted online for maximum political damage. now again, this has just
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happened tonight. they apparently posted all of this hacked material, both the real stuff and the fake stuff, they posted it right before the blackout deadline in the french media. that deadline went into effect at midnight localtime which means french media can't report on this. they can't talk about it. they can't discuss its existence. get this. at four minutes to midnight local time, four minutes before the deadline, the macron campaign put out their statement explaining what had happened to them. and i'm quoting from our nbc news translation here. en marche was the victim of a massive and coordinated piracy action this evening causing the dissemination of internal information of various kinds, mails, accounting documents, contracts, on the social networks. those who are circulating these documents added false documents
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to many original documents in order to sow doubt and misinformation. taking place in the last hour of the official campaign this operation is obviously a democratic destabilization as it has already been seen in the united states during the last presidential campaign. it's therefore important to take into account the nature of the leaked documents. the fact that a large part of them are simply false. they plead with the media to, quote, are consider the desirability of echoing this destabilization operation. you can hear the clinton campaign in that play, right? however far this plea is going to go in france, there's a whole different factor the have to contend with that we didn't. i mean, this plea from the macron campaign only circulated for four minutes before nobody could say anything in the french media about these documents anymore because the blackout is in effect.
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in fact, shortly thereafter, after the blackout went into effect, at 1:15 a.m. local time, the minister of the interior put out this statement to news organization, we ask press not to distribute these documents and remind them that distributing false information could bring legal consequences. quote, we have entered the period of reserve from midnight friday, meaning we are in a blackout. do not say beep about this stuff. but is that a good thing or bad thing, though, right? the stuff is out there. it's not like people are not allowed to go on the internet. however much they tell people in the media and in the campaigns, even individual voters not to talk about this stuff, not to make any sort of public pronouncements about the election, this happened and the stuff is out there. thanks putin. i mean, if you are in the -- if you are in the macron campaign or a macron supporter or if you're in the news business in
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france and it's your job to tell stuff what's going on, debunk, and explain stuff people come across online, you know this has happened but you essentially have to treat it as if it's a secret. which must be incredibly mind-bendingly frustrating if you are french. that said, i am not french. ready? [ speaking french ] my poor high school french teacher is like, ba-boom! in other words, nice to have you here french friends. i am sorry i cannot do this in french. i have a feeling more of you are watching than might otherwise be at a time like this. despite what appears to be a massive russian attack at the last minute, the french election is obviously still going to happen on sunday. now the polls say that macron is
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expected to beat le pen by a lot by 25 points. with that said after brexit and the uk, after donald trump won presidency in the united states, you will be forgiven if you do not trust polls in a contest like this anymore. for what it's worth, i got to tell you, the french polls did seem to be precisely accurate predicking the outcome two weeks ago. as for this second definitive round on sunday, though, there may be no reason to distrust the french polls, but we also have absolutely no idea what the effect is going to be of this last-second massive russian attack. joining us now live from paris is nbc chief foreign correspondent richard engle. thank you for being with us tonight to cover this very strange story. appreciate you staying up for us. >> reporter: well, it's strange but it is not entirely unexpected. i was waiting for something like this, for the other shoe to
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drop. i thought maybe it was going to be a terrorist attack or some sort of document leak. there was an expectation that outside forces would try and put their hands on the scale to influence this election and, frankly, that's why i'm here. the opinion polls have put macron way ahead so if you just believe the polls, there's no story here. he's going to win. but these are unusual times and there have already been these reports going back weeks and a few months that russian-backed groups have been trying to influence the election. there have been numerous terrorist incidents including one right on the eve of the first round of the presidential elections. so, basically, we're here because this kind of thing could happen. it was expected that something like this could happen or at least we expected it. >> richard, in terms of the attribution for the attack, we have been reading reports, although it's interesting, we can no longer read french media reports about this because --
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we're now within the blackout period, but we've been reading reports that suggest this is apt 28, this is fancy bear, this appears to be the work of the same russian hacking groups that attacked the u.s. election. what credence doou place in threrts? >> reporter: we've spoken directly to the investigators and like i said, we thought this kind of thing would happen. there's a group called trend my micro, a big cyber security firm. they have been following russian backed groups for a long time. starting on march 15th, this group detected that the macron campaign was under attack, that it was getting what are called phishing e-mails. these are e-mails, like the name suggests, where they are probing for information. these aren't the simple kind of phishing e-mails you might get on your blackberry or iphone that says, oh, click here and you could win a cruise in the
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caribbean. these were highly sophisticated come-on kind of e-mails that looked like internal campaign documents and prompted people to put in their passwords. they were spoofed documents that were being sent to key individuals within the macron campaign. this lasted for about a month, so from mid-march to mid-april. then they apparently stopped and the macron campaign at the time said it didn't think that any documents were taken off of their servers but they knew they were under attack. this same company said that it has no doubt that the company -- that the attackers that were trying to extract this information was apt 28, also known as fancy bear, the same group that was associated with the attack on the dnc and also associated with attacks on other institutions across europe. so whether that was the group that ultimately pulled the
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information, this nine gigabytes of information from the campaign and released it tonight, that we're not sure. but we know that the campaign was under attack for about a month starting in mid-march and apparently ending a month after that by this russian-backed group. >> we know the campaign saying tonight in their statement that these documents that have been dumped tonight that have been posed online appear to have been stolen several weeks ago so that would fit that time frame. >> reporter: they said several weeks ago. the time frame fits perfectly and also throughout this time frame, starting even somewhat before the phishing attacks, there has been a media campaign against macron, primarily directed by russian-backed websites casting dispersions about his personal life, saying that he -- that he has unusual relationship with his wife and kags doubts that he's not the man that is -- that should lead
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france. so, there's been a media campaign as well in the background to this phishing attack and then this leak, this document dump. what's significant is and you pointed it out, the macron campaign had to deal with this, had to put out a statement, a fairly long statement, fairly detailed and release it four minutes to midnight because they didn't want to go over it seems that midnight boundary and then get themselves in trouble with the law. and there were several media organizations in this country that started to talk about it and then the interior ministery sent out this warning saying, don't forget there's a media ackout in place. beesponsible. >> wo it's just dsht strategy here is remarkable. the audacity is remarkable. we'll see what the impact is. nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel in paris, past 3:00 in the morning for us. thank you so much. i appreciate it, my friend. >> reporter: absolutely.
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>> the parallels with what happened to our election are remarkable. you get the media campaign run by the russian state-run media outlets and also the bots that trace back to russia. certainly you get the fake news stuff. then you get the hacked documents that are strategically released at just the right time, putton line on these anonymous posting sites. we appear to have the same perpetrators here. but remember when the russians were doing it to us, they thought hillary clinton was going to win. they didn't think it would work they diplomat think they would throw election to trump. their intention for doing it, even very late, right up to the end, was not necessarily because they were convicted they could help trump win. they thought even if clinton won, which was likely, this stuff would hurt her and delegitimize her once she took the presidency, and that would be valuable to them in terms of dealing with a weakened united states because of these attacks that they took part in during the election. in this case macron is
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absolutely, absolutely, favored to win on sunday. if he does, the russians will still have caused to see this as, you know, reason for celebration that they'll be able to use this against him as president and hopefully undermine his presidency even if he does go ahead and win this. just remarkable. big night. there's more breaking news coming up from the trump administration. stay with us. whoa! you're not taking these. hey, hey, hey! you're not taking those. whoa, whoa! you're not taking that. come with me. you're not taking that. you're not taking that. you're not taking that. mom, i'm taking the subaru. don't be late. even when we're not there to keep them safe, our subaru outback will be. (vo) love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. (flourish spray noise) (flourish spray noise) (flourish spray noise) (flourish spray noise) the joy of real cream in 15 calories per serving. enough said. reddi-wip.
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newsmakers in the world are out on dates or seeing their families or something other than being at work making news, but, nope. maybe i should get like -- start asking for like wednesdays off. i don't know. in the trump administration, for whatever reason, friday nights tend to be the busiest nights of the week in terms of news. and it's for two separate reasons. one, is that they like friday night news dumps at the trump administration just like all administrations do. the trump administration does it may be more than most but all administrations do this. this past friday night they waited until after 10:00 p.m. eastern to announce that the epa was pulling all of its climate data off of the epa's website. that was a classy friday night news dump last week. we got two more epa friday night news dumps tonight that will be getting to later on in this show. but in addition to the friday night news dumps where they just hide stuff late on a friday thinking no one will notice it, the other thing that happens
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with the trump administration on friday, and this, i think, has to be a coincidence, this is just god hates me, it's that news about them tends to break on friday night as well. and that is the case tonight in "the washington post" and the associated press. "the washington post" was first. they front page the mike flynn and all the apparent warnings he was given about his contact with russian government officials during the transition. so, between the election and when president trump was actually sworn in. according to tonight's front page scoop in the "the washington post," mike flynn was warned explicitly that his considerations with russian officials were, quote, undoubtedly being monitored by the fbi and by the nsa. transition officials tell "the washington post" they also prepared a briefing document for flynn, specifically a profile of the russian ambassador who he liked to talk with and meet with so much. officials say that despite the
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fact that they prepared a profile on the russian ambassador for flynn, they are unsure as to whether or not mike flynn ever bothered to read it. so, interesting reporting from "the washington post." after "the washington post" posted theirs, the associate press also went live with their scoop tonight on mike flynn. they're reporting that the obama administration was so concerned about what they could see of these ties between mike flynn and the russian government, that they decided to delay telling the trump transition about the obama administration's plans to levy new sanctions against russia as punishment for messing with our election. the obama folks delayed telling the trump transition what they were going to do in response to that election hack reportedly because the obama administration was concerned enough about what they were seeing transition's contacts with russian oe fishlgs that they believed it was possible that someone in the trump transition might tip off the russian government about what was about to happen. they might give the russians
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enough time, enough lead time to clear information out of the two russian compounds that the u.s. was closing down in retaliation for the russians attacking our elections. now, nbc can add a little bit to that tonight. nbc further reports tonight that in terms of that advance warning that the obama administration gave to the trump transition about these russian sanctions, nbc news reports tonight that that advanced warning was a matter of hours, not days. even though they knew they were going to shut down these russian compounds for days, they didn't tell the trump folks for hours so the trump folks wouldn't have too much opportunity to give the russians a heads up to clean out those compounds just in case the trump folks were so inclined to do that. so, obviously there are a lot of questions that remain unanswered about how on earth the white house decided to hire mike flynn as national security adviser
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despite what they must have come to know about his contacts with foreign governments and his contacts with russian government in particular. nbc news reported several days ago that the trump transition even knew about mike flynn's payments from foreign governments and they hired him anyway. this goes some distance to explaining people who were in contact with him and what they knew at the time that made that inexplicable decision that gave him that high-ranking national security post. reading between the lines, though, it also seems clear that people who want to remain government officials, people who don't want to have their careers blown up by any association with michael flynn and whatever's about to come next in the investigations of him, those people appear to be getting out ahead of any further michael flynn reporting. this sort of continues the pattern we have seen around him. republican officials involved in investigations that get close to what flynn did and what is known about his actions, they've all been fleeing from those various
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so tonight we are following this new breaking news from the "the washington post" and from the associated press about fired national security adviser mike flynn. new reports that trump transition officials and outgoing obama administration officials were aware of mike flynn's frequent communications with the russian government and that it raised alarms both within the trump transition and the outgoing administration. this of course raises yet more questions about why the trump folks went ahead with hiring him then as national security
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adviser where he lasted for all of three and a half weeks before he got fired. after mike flynn didet fir, one of the interesting things at happened that i think maybe should have been a little bit of a warning sign for those of us watching this administration, is that the white house had a remarkably difficult time replacing him. u.s. army general ray odierno they apparently wanted for the job, he took himself out of the running. controversial david petraeus, he took himself out of the running. vice admiral robert harwood, they wanted for the job, they apparently offered him the job and after they offered him the job, he said, no, he would not take the job. h.r. mcmaster who was not a retired general, he is a sitting active duty general. you know what, they're not actually allowed to say no when asked to do something by the commander in chief, so now he is our new national security adviser. but it's not just the national
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security adviser position that proved hard to fill. that's generally be true of the big national security jobs. for example, look at the armed forces. the trump administration nominated a new york billionaire to be army secretary, a guy who had made his fortune as a high frequency trader, one of the things the white house did not notice about him when they vetted him for the job was the police report that had been filed on him not that long ago after he punched a guy out at an expensive horse auction in upstate new york. between his complicated business ties and the horse auction fistfight, vincent viola ended up pulling his name from consideration as army secretary. then the next nomination they pulled was for the navy secretary. a guy named phillip billden was nominated to be navy secretary. he pulled his name. in february the administration still has not nominated anybody else for that job. there is no nominee to be secretary of the navy.
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after they lost their first nominee to be secretary of the army, the punchout of the horse auction guy, they did pick a replacement nominee but now tonight he has pulled his name from consideration as well. his name is marc green. until recently he was a republican candidate for governor in tennessee. he dropped out of that race because of this better gig that he got offered by the trump administration. secretary of the army. now that that nomination has been pulled multiple pentagon officials are going out of their way tonight to remind reporters that this really was a white house pick. don't blame this on the pentagon unnamed defense department officials insisting to reporters tonight that it was the white house who wanted this guy, it was the white house who vetted this guy, it was the white house who missed this stuff about this guy. that was, after all, out in the public domain about him and findable by anybody with the google. >> now you poll the psychiatrists, they're going to tell you that transgender is a
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disease. no, we're not going to issue marriage licenses to gay people because our state voted differently. okay, supreme court. you said it, i don't care. school districts, you want to have a bathroom that's separate for all of the, you know, guys or gals with question marks. you set up your own bathroom and, oh, the afl-cio's going to sue you? well, i got your back. >> the afl-cio's going to sue you? when he says afl-cio, i will bet you $11 that he means aclu. oh, but come on. it's not like military guys ever need to know acronyms. the afl-cio's going to sue you? they aren't going to sue you. anyway, so that's the bright light that the white house tried to put in charge of the united states army. and there are reams and reams and reams of this stuff from him
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in the public domain. he's been a public figure for a long time. he's a serving state senator for tennessee. he was running for governor. but apparently the white house never noticed any of this stuff before they put him up as second nominee to run the united states army. one by one, members of the senate armed services committee started coming out against mark green as his record became more and more clear. as of a few days ago critics included that chairman, john mccain. once the chairman of the committee is against you, you're not going to go far. another critic is tammy duckworth. she came out quite strongly against mark green to be secretary of the army. we actually learned this afternoon here at msnbc that as of last night, the white house had given up on mark green and had started interviewing potential replacement nominees. i was all set to report that tonight when news dropped right before we went on the air, news
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dropped late this afternoon that mark green is gone. he pulled his name. the fact that mark green was ever nominated for this job in the first place, the fact that he is the second nominee who tried and failed to become army secretary is just in itself ridiculous, right? it's just a ridiculous process. it's ridiculous for him to have been a candidate given what's available on him in the public record. it is ridiculous for the white house that they put him forward without apparently doing any vetting. their vetting process for national security positions, even for really important national security positions, appears to be about as difficult as the application process to get into trump university. but because these are national security jobs, it isn't just ridiculous, it's also stomach-churning, right? i mean, this guy was nominated to be secretary of the army. within the last week a u.s. navy s.e.a.l. was killed in somalia fighting under combat restrictions that the trump administration just loosened
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there. it's the first u.s. combat casualty in somalia since 1993, since blackhawk down. he was killed yesterday. also within the past week two army rangers were killed in fighting in eastern afghanistan. also within the past week an army paratrooper was killed on patrol outside mosul that the trump administration has been sending more and more and more u.s. troops. next week the top u.s. commander in afghanistan is going to ask for thousands more u.s. troops to be sent into afghanistan, once again. and whether or not you look at this new president and you think, that's a capable commander in chief, i trust him to be making wise decisions about the men and women of the american armed forces, whether or not you look at him and think that, there is precisely one senate-confirmed nominee in the entire pentagon. secretary of defense. that's it. there's like 58 senate confirmable posions in the pentagon. theyaven't filled 57 of them. and it's not that they're putting forward nominees and
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their nominees are getting blocked. they haven't even made nominations for almost any of these jobs, for the senior national security jobs in the united states government. and the nominees they put forward are guys like this who think the afl-cio -- is a union. happy friday night news dump. mark green is out as second nominee as secretary of army. we could sort of see this coming as of a mile off. as of tonight there isn't a replacement nominee in sight. when they do, it will be their third attempt at finding someone to fill that job.
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so conservative media must be taking a serious victory lap, right? after the big health care vote in the house, right, kill the affordable care act, the house republican vote. i mean, conservatives have been trying to get rid of obamacare for years so the conservative media must be absolutely crowing over this right now, right? you'd think, but look at this. this was the fox news home page last night after the house republicans voted to repeal the affordable care act. now, let's see, where is that massive republican win? where is it? oh, there it is, down there on the bottom next to the story about the football player. surely at breitbart they must be pounding their chest about this big win. nope, that's jeff sessions there. there was a tiny headline in the corner about trump celebrating just above a headline about a republican senator trashing the bill.
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how about the national review, they've been railing against obamacare for years. no, the national review barely mentioned the health care vote. it was an interesting reaction on the right. obamacare repeal? what obamacare repeal. the reaction on the left, on the other hand, holy cow. usually you expect the side that won to be all over it and the side that didn't win to be playing it down, total opposite this time. swing left is one of these new groups working to defeat house republicans in the 2018 midterms. they tell us they raised over $1 in the last 48hours, including $150,000 they raised instantly within the one hour after the health care vote. and liberal blog daily kos, they raised all that money for osoff, they have also raised $1 million in 30 hours. over a million bucks,
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specifically targeting 24 congressional republicans who voted to repeal the affordable care act, who represent districts where trump didn't get 50% of the vote. daily kos political director tells nbc news, they have never seen anything like this before. quote, to put things in perspective, it took us a week to raise $400,000 for jon ossoff, and a year to to do for elizabeth warren. we raised that amount of money in the first five hours yesterday for this slate after the health care vote. so at least in terms of fund-raising the left saw a huge surge of support to try to turf out republican members of congress, after the house voted to repeal obamacare yesterday. money's not everything, though. in terms of the on the ground response, the group indivisible. they put out a very interesting statement about about it last night, pointing that the next 11 days of congressional recess are crucial in terms of holding members of congress accountable,
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quote, on their home turf. we're already seeing signs of that playing out. in kansas they held a die-in outside yoder's office. yoder voted yes. it's now been appropriated by folks who are fighting for health reform. in florida folks gathered outside congressman brian mast's office with a giant sign that says "clueless," other signs saying repeal and replace brian mast. shame on you brian mast. congressman labrador held a town hall in idaho. lots of anger about his vote. >> people on medicaid except dying. you are making -- no one wants anybody to die. that line is so indefensible. nobody dies because they don't have access to health care. >> nobody dies because they don't have access to health care. they die for all sorts of other reasons but nobody dies because
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they don't have access to health care. that was in idaho this afternoon. expect that one to foul raul labrador around for the rest of his political life. there will be a lot more to come this week because there is an 11-day recess that starts tote. and part of what we're now watching in terms of what's coming up over the next few days is one congressman who may be trying to take on burden for another neighboring congressman who apparently can't take the heat himself. this is a very weird, very interesting story and one of the key players involved in it is with us next. stay with us. american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next.
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last night here on the show a woman who lives in republican congressman john faso's district in new york state. we have this remarkable footage of ms. mitchell explaining to her congressman that she had a brain tumor, and she was worried about losing her health insurance because of her preexisting condition. congressman faso hugged her and promised her he would never let that happen. congressman faso then voted to repeal the affordable care act. if what the house voted for yesterday is made law, it will have the effect of decimating access to health insurance for people with preexisting conditions. almost immediately after he announced that he would cast that vote, his office was apparently inundated with angry phone calls.
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and that led to a tweet from another member of congress from new york, actually from a neighboring district from democratic congressman sean patrick maloney. this was his quote. hey, john faso, could you turn your phones on? your constituents are calling my office. apparently congressman faso is really hard to get ahold of. he has held only one town hall since taking office. that was last night. the local invisible group has invited him to join their town hall. they have scheduled in their district for this monday. now another challenge. quote, john faso, these folks deserve answer. if you won't explain your vote for trumpcare, i will. joining us now is new york congressman sean patrick maloney. good to see you. >> nice to be here. >> are you trying to take the heat off him? are you trying to do him a favor here? are you trying to help his constituents? >> it's really simple. if you listen to a woman like andrea, what i was struck by is she felt naive that when her congressman told her, promised her that he would not do this to her, this is a woman with a brain tumor who is not playing
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some political game. she was desperate in that video. he promised her he wouldn't. she said i felt maybe i was naive when he promised me he wouldn't do it and he did it. i felt like sayi to r, andrea, you're not naive because i believed him too. i tell you. what there are members of congress who will look you in the eye and who will not lie to you about something that serious. and if this guy won't stand up and explain to it you and the people he represents, my neighbors in the hudson valley, well, i'm going to do it. i think every republican who voted for this thing ought to have to stand in front of their voters and explain it. and if it takes a democrat to go in and do it for them for a while, i'll explain what is in this bill. and if he doesn't like it, he should stand up and explain it himself. i think we ought to get on offense on this. and maybe a democrat ought to go
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into every district where a republican who supported trumpcare won't hold a town hall meeting and do it for them. sit in that chair and say i'll stand here and answer your questions until your own congressman starts doing his job. >> did his constituents really start calling your office trying to reach him? >> yes, yes. and after a few dozen phone calls, we started to wonder what was up. and they just couldn't get through. and i want to tell you, i spoke to congressman faso before i came on the show. i said john, i'm going the light you up. i hope we can still work on lyme disease together and veterans issues together. because i work across the aisle. but i feel too strongly about this. and he was upset that we had that tweet. i don't want to relay a private conversation. but i said people were calling our office. and they weren't getting through to yours. and we're being a little tongue-in-cheek. but it's a serious issue. and my goodness, these guys have got to stand up and defend this vote. if you notice, a lot of them won't want. to they're saying things like oh, the senate will fix it. or we're just having a beer
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party at the white house and we wanted to have a win for the president. and that doesn't cut it. there are 65,000 people in congress faso's district who are going to lose insurance under this bill there are 400,000 people in that district and in mine who are getting insurance through their employers, and now because of a totally unspoken about provision in this bill, employers can forum shop any state that gets a waiver and use the lower standards of that state with their employees, even in a state like new york. so the 400,000 people in most congressional districts who get emoyer-bas insurance right now who have a heart conditi, who have, you know, hiv, they are at risk of being driven down to that lower state's standards, like wisconsin, where the governor said today he would consider getting a waiver. so, look, this is not a game. and i think my goodness, if a congress person can't stand in front of their voters and answer questions about their vote, then something is wrong. >> and they may, if they follow your example, start getting
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other districts' members of congress answer questions for them. >> we'll adopt a district. i'm adopting new york 19. there is a bunch more. all my friends in the democratic caucus. you can adopt your own district. >> the congressman for the 18th and now sort of the 19th district too. >> until further notice. >> congressman sean patrick maloney. great to have you here. >> thanks. it's friday night. yet more stuff to talk about because the news never stops on friday nights anymore. that's next. stay with us. mom, i have to tell you something. dad, one second i was driving and then the next... they just didn't stop and then... i'm really sorry. i wrecked the subaru. i wrecked it. you're ok. that's all that matters. (vo) a lifetime commitment to getting them home safely. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. ♪ everything your family touches sticks with them.
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clean water, methane emission, mercury, you name it. when he was asked whether he would take part in defending the agency he now runs from these lawsuits he filed against it, he wouldn't say during his confirmation process. during his confirmation hear manage the senate, he promise head would recuse himself from taking any actions regarding those lawsuits if ethics officials told him he had. to but he wouldn't say one way or the other for sure. well, tonight e&e news, which covers an environmental policy signed by scott pruitt, it is dated yesterday. and it says, quote, it addresses all of my ethics obligations. e & e indicates that scott pruitt will now recuse himself from a dozen pending cases involving epa, parks including the clean power plan, in cases both federal appeals and district courts over the clean water rule. so if this is what it appears to
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be, that means we know what those ethics officials told administrator scott pruitt he had to do. but it appears he waited until the very last second to let anybody know that he is actually doing it. watch this space. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again here on monday. msnbc live is next. good morning, everyone. i'm dara brown in new york at msnbc world headquarters. it's 7:00 in the east and 4:00 out west. here is what's happening. the future of the health care bill, will it face major surgery or die on arrival? plus, the members of congress most at risk after placing their controversial vote. it's all ahead. president trump's pick for army secretary withdraws amid heavy criticism over controversial statements in his past. and election hacking, this time it's in france. a candidate calling a document leak is a bid to destabilize tomorrow's presidential runoff. we begin with politics and new details on president trump's outgoing national security