tv Pulse of America MSNBC May 7, 2017 12:00pm-1:01pm PDT
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victory speech. he has not come to the microphones as of yet. our understanding is that it may happen within the next hour. you can see now that they are switching this raw feed that we're getting out of france at the moment to video of the streets and we can see some of the security in the region there in paris. then here in front of many where you potentially visited. that's the louvre. that's the tricolor out there in full force, supporters of macron in front of the museum and the plaza. getting ready for that speech that it appeared that we saw earlier of emmanuel macron getting ready and practicing potentially and they may not have wanted to be streaming that video. but we got a little peek behind if you will the factory doors in terms of what is going to be upcoming for the newly elected president of france, emmanuel macron. only 45 minutes in to this distinction for this
39-year-old. on that note, the youngest ever president there in france and again, not even 40. 39 years old. and expected now to be looking forward to the parliamentary elections upcoming in june. similar to the united states in order to rule, he has -- or to govern, rather. he has to work with the parliament to affect any sort of change and of course the legislative agenda. with us this hour, chris dickey, matt bradley, steve clemons from the atlantic. matt, you have been reporting on this every hour on the hour for days on end. give us what we know at this moment. it is what, 9:00 p.m. local time. >> that's right. the polls just closed an hour ago. so if you're just joining us this news is very fresh and actually as you just mentioned marine le pen, the far right populist candidate she conceded
45 minutes ago. it is astonishing how fast french polls are able to produce something like a result, almost immediately after the polls close. the polls close an hour earlier here in paris. but nationwide, almost immediately after, we got the results. those results were about 65%, slightly more than 65% for emmanuel macron. and about 35% for marine le pen. macron as you mentioned he's going to be the youngest president in french history. he's never before held elective office. he was the economy minister under the current president, francois hollande and that was one of the things that marine he present tried to present, to present him as the term for the apartment building or an address that has sort of a side -- a side entrance or a different address right next to it. so she was trying to portray
macron, not only as an establishment figure, not only as a banker and a globalist to use the parlance of steve bannon and the others. but as somebody who was close to the current prime minister. excuse me, current president, whose polling figure put him in the single digits. he was one of the most unpopular presidents in the fifth republic of france in generations. and he actually bowed out. he could have run again for the presidency. he decided not to because his approval ratings were so abysmally slabysma abysmally low. that's a pit fall that macron has to look forward to or to avoid going forward. francois hollande had tried to create something of a big tent, he's a socialist president. he tried to run for the left wing and then he tacked right when he was in office with business friendly reforms. this made him extremely unpopular to both sides of the
political spectrum here in france. and macron as something of a centrist, we discussed this in the last hour, you remember, how difficult it is to pin macron -- how difficult it is to put him in the box. he's running into that same problem. does he move to the left, does he move to the right? >> matt, it appears that emmanuel macron is taking to the microphones earlier than we thought. stand by, if you can, matt. thank you so much. emmanuel macron. >> i wish to thank you, thank you. thank you from my heart. my credit goes to all of you who brought me your vote and support. i will never forget you. i will put all my care and energy to be -- to be dignified of your confidence, but it is up to you, citizens of our country, whatever your choice was, i wish
to address myself to you. many difficulties have weakened us for a long time. i know them all. the economical difficulties, the social fractures and the democratic problems as well as the moral weakness of the country. i wish this evening to greet madam le pen. i know the divisions of our country that have led some to extreme votes. i respect them. i know the anger, the anguish, the doubts that many of you have expressed. it is my responsibility to listen to you, protecting the most vulnerable, organizing solidarity in a better way, fighting against all forms of inequality and discrimination. making sure that your security
is guaranteed as well as the unity of the nation. because behind each word that i am saying i know there are faces, men and women, children and families, whole lives that's you and your loved ones. this evening, it is -- i'm addressing myself to all of you. all of you together. the people of france. we have obligations towards our country. we have inherited a very important history and a humanist message. this history and this message, we need to transmit it to our children first of all. but we also need to bring it into the future. i will defend france. its vital interest. its image, its message. i take the engagement in front of you. i will defend europe. i will defend the community of
destinies that the people of our continent have given themselves. it is our civilization that's at stake. our freedom and our values, our common undertakings and our hope. i will strengthen the link between europe and its people, between europe and its citizens. i rise on your behalf the greetings of internal france. i tell their heads of states that france will be present and attentive to peace to the balance of powers, to the respect of engagements on development and fight against climate change. i tell you all, that france will be on the first line, on the fight against terrorism. on its -- in france as well as internationally. as long as this fight will take
we will fight it without weakness. my dear fellow citizens, a new page of our long history is opening today. i wish that this evening there will be hope and confidence. the renewal of our public life will be imposed to everyone starting tomorrow. the moralization of our public life, the recognition of pluralism, the vitality of the -- will be from day first the pace of my action. i will not let any obstacles stop me. i will act with determination and in the respect of everybody. because through work education and cultural, we will build a better future. french people. my dear fellow citizens, i wish this evening to salute president hollande. during five years he worked for our country. during the coming five years, my
responsibility will be to deal with -- we will renew with optimism. we need to find the enterprise period that defines the french genius. my responsibility will be to resemble all the women and men ready to face the enormous challenges. in front of us. some of those challenges are lucky, like the -- like the development of europe and others of those challenges are threats like terrorism. i will fight with all of my force against the division. it is -- that's how we will give the french people to each one of you and his or her professional personal life the chances that france owes you. let's love france. from this evening, and for the
coming five years, i will modes modestily with dedication and determination will serve france on your behalf. long live the republic. long live france. >> emmanuel macron there, speaking -- emmanuel macron speaking, the new president of france for about six minutes. his opponent, marine le pen speaking for about one or two minutes. some of the thematics there is he would of course like to bring the country together. that he does respect those who voted for marine le pen his opponent. who is seen as a far right candidate. he at the end of his candidacy, macron seen as a centrist. relatively to his opponent. and that he understands that there's anger in the country that he will also address.
steve clemons still with us. matt bradley, chris dickey also with us. i want to start off with nbc news' matt bradley. we heard him speak. we listened to le pen earlier. comparison of messages. emmanuel macron, very even toned throughout his entire delivery. le pen also by most at least manifestations of emotion very straight forward as well. >> that's right. i mean, i think if you were to have seen a marine le pen acceptance speech, it might have looked a little bit like donald trump's inauguration speech. you would have heard some of the darker images that she's actually brought up -- she made a speech two weeks ago when she sk accepted the mantel of moving on until this election and she talked about the savage globalization destroying france. the multiculturism that seemed
to be undermining french culture and she called on the french people to go back to french cull children and protect it and and the industries from what she called again the savage globalization. so it's kind of like the american carnage that donald trump threw out in his inauguration speech. you would have heard much darker terms and now instead she's talking about leading the opposition. clearly, that's something that she feels very comfortable doing. she's done it for decades but not the outcome that she wanted or any of her supporters wanted. >> i want to go to steve clemons because he has to leave us shortly. is this a loss for donald trump? he did not endorse marine le pen. but he did say in an interview with the associated press, quote, that le pen is the strongest on borders and she's the strongest on what's been going on in france. end quote. >> absolutely it's a loss for donald trump. donald trump may not have formally endorsed marine he
when. but he endorsed her followers, the meetings with nigel farage, the salutes to le pen and this kind of nate vis, jingoistic rhetoric. there was developing a league from trump to some of these other characters around the world that presented as the previous speaker just said a very dark vision of the choices around the world. we heard macron say he would not allow discrimination of anyone within that society. that was a very strong message i felt on the kind of inclusive picture that he represented which is a stark contrast to what we have seen from the donald trumps and marine le pens of the world today. he also put in a comment in there about climate change and standing not only by france but by the community of nations in europe. so he's -- with everyone saying
it's hard to peg him, he's an open society guy. he's not a closed society or someone who's going to tolerate discrimination or racism or those kinds of, you know, knife edges within society and, you know, i think donald trump has been dividing and celebrating some of those divides in american society as was le pen. >> steve, there's at least some five elections happening in countries in the eu, in 2017. nay're looking -- they're looking at france and seeing the results. they clearly have been looking at who the two candidates represent. what do you think they're seeing? >> well, i think they're seeing a harsh choice. they're going to see, you know, that europe as a whole, all of these countries have felt under extreme stress. economically from the various episodes of terrorism that have occurred and from the refugee crisis that have hit some of the countries. so it's pushed the political order to the edge in some of these countries and marine le
pen was a manifestation of much of the frustration. so to see france choose openn s openness, i think is a signal of confidence in that style of government, in that style of society. i think it's going to be vital for germany and angela merkel and the vote coming up there and in other countries. we have seen this concern that brexit and the kind of wanting to withdraw and cut off and return to a kind of old nationalism. old national walls. old national boundaries with something that was beginning to appeal to other countries. but this step by -- that france has taken is -- it gives a lot of head winds to that. i think that you now have a richer choice and more interesting choice in the countries. i don't think it will automatically turn into this bleak, dark vision we have been worried about over the last year. >> steve clemons, msnbc contributor.
always a pleasure to speak with you. i know you have a busy day in front of you. thank you for stopping by. getting over to chris dickey, if we're looking at brexit as a major benchmark, if we're looking at the french presidential election today being the second major data point or benchmark, what's the third major data point you're watching here, chris, as you so closely watch what is happening not only in france, but across europe in what you do. >> well, you know, i think that the next one actually is going to be the legislative elections here because all of the good news for the globalists that we're hearing right now with the election of macron could all turn to dust if he can't organize the national assembly in an effective manner after june. then of course we've got the german elections coming up in september. but matt and i were just talking. i think there's been an exaggeration of the possibilities of the alternative
for deutschland, the afd party. sort of the trumpist, le pennist party of germany. it was never going to poll very high in the german polls anned the choice there is between the very pro europe merkel and the pro europe martin schultz. i think that will be another barrier raised against the kind of -- i think steve bannon likes the work deconstruction of europe that essentially was being advocated by the people around trump and by the nigel farrages of this world and that brought us brexit. i don't think we'll see another european exit even remotely like the one that britain voted for. >> from what you know of macron, he's the youngest ever elected in france. how did his age help him, do you think? >> you know what, i don't think it helped him that much. i think one of the problems with macron -- that macron is going to be have is that he'll be -- i'm sure we will see headlines
describing him as charismatic, but he's not charismatic. he's a young, smart guy who's appealing. he has, you know, very nice blue eyes. he looks good in a suit. but he doesn't electrify crowds. he doesn't electrify his voters. that's why so many people voted for him by default and not because they wanted to choose him. in terms of personalities he's going to have trouble turning his personality into that kind of magnetic figure that probably france needs to go into the direction he wants. the other thing about macron, people are going to try and take advantage of him precisely because he's young. they're going to say he's a young guy, inexperienced. but people don't understand -- they may understand how smart he is. i don't think they understand how tough he is. how reluctant he is to back down on a position. he considers what position he wants to take and then he sticks with it. it is in the european context n the french context, it seemed extraordinary to see him waving
a european flag, to see him saying the kinds of things he was saying about immigration. about terrorism. all those kinds of things. it's not that he was soft on any of the issues, not that he was stupid, but he was never appealing to the gut. he was appealing to reason. and it's a word he loves to use -- reason. so in the best of worlds what the french voted for in this election was reason over emotion. it was hope over fear and anger. >> chris -- >> that fear and anger will come back if he can't deliver. >> chris dickey and matt bradley, stand by. we'll take a short break. on the left-hand side of your screen you can see the celebrations there. emmanuel macron supporters in front of the louvre. that beautiful pyramid made of some of 700 different pieces of glass and the tricolor being waved up in the air as it looks like a dj as well as performers are continuing in what looks to be a beautiful night after some sprinkles earlier in the day. 9:20 p.m. in paris.
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breaking news here at msnbc. this is obviously not in new york city where we are based. this is paris, france. the beautiful pyramid at the louvre there, the museum and they are celebrating to great effect i'd say at this moment. 9:24 p.m. the victory of emmanuel macron, the new president of france. and he did it with resounding numbers. 65% to 35%, and we also are getting responses not only from those who supported macron in france, but also the president of the united states.
donald trump just tweeting this moments ago, congratulations to emmanuel macron on his big win today as the next president of france. i look very much forward to working with him. and that just coming from president trump. this is not consistent with statements he had made before. he was a supporter of emmanuel macron's opponent, marine le pen. the candidate that was seen as a far right candidate there in france. and so reactions will continue to come in. we'll share that with you. this again, the results only coming in to us about an hour ago. the polls closed an hour and 25 minutes ago and with great speed and efficacy we got the numbers right after the polls closed in terms of the projections. official numbers. then the speeches first came from marine le pen. then followed about five minutes ago from the winner, emmanuel macron. but in the lead-up to these
results, there was a lot of questions in terms of where would the numbers land? and this is because of what was being reported as being a very large and major cyber hack of macron and his servers. some 14 gigabytes it was estimated of data pulled out, including e-mails and documents and much more. all this happening online. the give us reflection of that is michael nunoz from gizmodo technology. it looks like if the numbers, the if the documents, if the size of the documents were large that the effect in the end was either zero or very low based on the results. >> yeah. that appears to be the case. but certainly, you know, ahead of today there is a lot of skepticism about sort of whet r whether, you know, whether voters would turn out in the numbers and whether that would
hold true. you know, russia has basical basically -- you know, started to use hacking as sort of a weapon of choice in disrupting elections around the world. although they haven't been identified as the people behind the hacking of emmanuel macron's e-mails, there is strong evidence to suggest that it may very well be another attempt from russia to interfere with russian elections. >> because of the 48 blackout period and the hack happening and announced just hours before that blackout began, there was a lot of concern for the macron camp. well, we can't respond to it. we can't talk about it. on the flip side, neither could his opponent, marine le pen. they couldn't talk about it either. so the question is well, was there any -- was there any effect overall because the opponents also could not leverage that. the question now moving forward though is these groups that are
getting into and hacking into election campaigns' systems, what is next? i was mentioning earlier we have at least five other elections in the eu upcoming this year. they have got to be concerned, okay, what will happen to our campaigns election systems and servers being utilized. >> yeah. i think one important detail to mention u.s. intelligence agencies warned about this. following the successful hack of the democratic national committee during the u.s. election. so you know, senior u.s. intelligence officials said that this could happen in elections around the world. of course, you know, france happens to be the first to have gone through this process. but, you know, others to watch are -- as you said, other members of the eu. so, you know, germany would be,
you know, an obvious -- an obvious election to watch. there are several others that will occur over the next six to nine months. so, you know, i think one reason why russia and frankly other governments around the world have used hacking to disrupt elections and to -- and used hacking as a political operation is because it's very low cost. it's very effective. >> it is low cost. but i have to interrupt for a second. folks might say, okay, this is similar to other hacks that happened during the u.s. election that we reported on quite widely, how come we can't figure this out? not like we don't have a lot of good egg heads around, the power of the nerd is very strong. >> yeah. you would think so, but also you have to look at things like last week there was a google docs hack passed around u.s. media and also around, you know, some government entities. so the problem is controlling thousands or even just hundreds
of people, right? you can't -- it's really hard to keep everyone informed and up to date on what they should be watching for. you know, these phishing attempts are sophisticated and can often look like -- look like official correspondence. so it's -- these things are very well thought out. and very well executed clearly. and they're hard to protect against quite frankly. >> michael nunez from gizmodo. thank you so much my friend. we'll of course be revisiting this story line unfortunately i imagine in the coming elections as i was reporting on throughout europe in this coming year. thank you so much for your perspective on that. live pictures still showing france, 9:20 p.m. emmanuel macron, the new president of france. the youngest ever at the age of 39. no better a back drop than the louvre and that beautiful pyramid as i was mentioning
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president for france. amazing pictures here as they i imagine, if you understand francois, they will be up to the late hours of the evening. those who supported emmanuel macron who will be the new president of france. the numbers that we have so far, 65% to 35%. if you're just joining us here on msnbc. marine le pen who said she got 16 million votes thanked them for their support. but again, coming up 30 percentage points short of her opponent, emmanuel macron, who gave his victory speech within the last hour. marine le pen giving her concession speech also within the last hour and a half. we want to remind you that the results and the end of voting, that only happened about 90 minutes ago. so we're getting you the latest of what's happening as sun sets there in france that does not mean that the noise will subside
at all. it appears at least from the pictures on the left-hand side, still with us covering this landslide victory here. nbc's matt bradley. we have the daily beast world editor and contributor chris dickey who have been able to give us fantastic context on what we're seeing here in france and what it means for the united states. matt bradley, we were talking with chris a moment ago about youth and he being the youngest president ever at the age of 39. but there's also his business acumen and whether he will be able to translate that to governing. >> hard to know. this is a country that's real really -- it's a traditionalist country and part of that tradition comes in the form of its economic traditions there's the social model here really looms large over everything. if you remember back in the '80s some of the leaders here tried to implement sort of a thatcher
model where they wanted to take some of the corporations -- nationalized corporations and privatize them. those were met with massive protests and resistance from the population. and as my colleague chris dickey said a moment ago, you know, a lot of the young people here, they want -- they have the same expectations for the same social model. the same social safety nets that their parents enjoyed. but at the same time, that comes with a lot of pit falls. if you're a young person here, you're much more likely to be employed. unemployment -- i was in marseille, unemployment for young people it's about 25%. so one out of every four young people in that major city, many of them immigrants, many of them muslim, they're unemployed. that's a disastrous situation for so many people and macron's point, one of the reasons why he's actually tacked left on social issues and right on economic issues, this is one of the reasons we call him a radical centrist. he doesn't fit into any of the
molds. he actually wants to try to liberate the french economy from what he sees as the shackles from zooming ahead. not like the american economy, but like some of the other european partners that are actually doing quite well. remember, part of the reason why macron won just in these last couple of weeks is that the european union had actually improved. if you look at the celebrations that we're seeing now in front of the louvre, mixed in with so many of those french tricolored flags are the european union flags. it's unusual in america to see french president -- american presidential candidate holding up the flag of a super national entity that had governance powers over certain parts of its legal system, of its economic system, but that's what macron was doing. he could have been one of those people out in the crowd tonight, waving the european union flag.
so he sees not -- he sees a stronger european union as benefiting toward a stronger france. that was part of the ethos he brought to the campaign. that's what he's going to be bringing to his presidency. a lot of that means breaking with the past. if you look around, i have been walking around the streets -- >> chris -- >> even though -- >> sorry. >> everything is -- i'm sorry. everything has been closed here. one of the things that emmanuel macron tried to do as economy minister is just so -- a simple thing, tried to allow for businesses to be opened, more businesses to be open on sundays. they don't have that in france. >> matt, i apologize, we had a drop in audio. chris dickey, the interesting part as we look at the pictures live on the celebrations are the faces and throughout the last couple of hours as we look very closely. matt was noting the flags, the tricolor as well as the european union flag. i was also noticing the
differences in faces and for those who aren't familiar with the breakdown in france, roughly one in ten are minority. how did that factor in, the issue of immigration which has been talked about in the narrative of france and the united states. how might that have panned out in today's election? either the electorate and minorities who are part of that electorate or the thematic of immigration and immigration? >> well, i think we have given a lot of coverage over the last few months and even years to fear of immigration and fear of muslim minority here and all of the fears that are connected with that. and we haven't really focused on the fact that -- by about 2012, by the last presidential election, we had a whole second generation of people who were from muslim and other immigrant backgrounds but largely muslim backgrounds who were old enough to vote.
they were not only old enough to vote, but they were fielding candidates. they were getting involved with the system. they felt betrayed by the results of what happened in 2012 because they went massively for francois hollande and got very lit in return. in this election we know that the largest group, some 30% of the people who identify themselves as muslim voted for jean-luc melenchon, the far left candidate. we don't know what the exact breakdown is now. but it's a good guess that virtually all the people of muslim backgrounds in the second round voted for emmanuel macron. so the question is can he deliver for them? it's not a question of let's saying let's not be afraid of immigrants or the people those background, but can we get them out of the housing projects on the far outskirts of the cities of france, can we give them a future? matt's right.
yeah, the unemployment rate is at 25%, but among those young people, the unemployment rate is 40%. they have to be brought in to the system. whether macron can do it, i don't know. but it was clear that le pen was going to try to exclude them completely. >> yeah. those areas that are not too far necessarily, 30 to 40 minutes from where you're standing there like during the bataclan catastrophe, the places which were called, right, defined as no go zones and how will they get help under this new presidency. this is also the hour here at msnbc, it's 3:42 in the afternoon where we normally have what's called "pulse of america" and we ask questions for you to get to get your views on a question of the day related to current events. today obviously, we're covering the breaking news of the election in france. we want to get your thoughts on this. are you satisfied with the results of the french election? where you go -- let us know what you think, it's
pulse.msnbc.com/america. pulse.msnbc.com/america. are you satisfied with the results of the french election? and if you're just joining us, the results are emmanuel macron, the centrist candidate, wins with 65% of the vote. 35% of the vote for his opponent who was seen as the far right candidate. she came in again with 35%. so are you satisfied with the results of the french election? joining me now to continue the conversation along with matt and chris is philip cost. what is your thought about what we may be missing in this conversation of the results of the election in france? >> i haven't heard all of your conversation before unfortunately, but i think that the level of abstention is unprecedented. and it shows that actually emmanuel macron will have a hard task ahead of him to really
reckon silluate and make -- reckon silluate and make a reconciliation around the values. people may have been from the le pen camp, le pen's side may have abstained after the dismal debate, dismal performance of the debate, but people on the extreme left of melenchon. so this is one aspect. it's a proof of a constant discontent by a large part of the population for the options that were given to -- during this election. the other aspect is i was struck and i was very interested by the last part of your conversation about minorities. the question of racism in france and so on. it's been the diversity and the idea of a multicultural france, some kind of a third rail for politics in france.
both the left and the institutional right have both dismissed the question, they have been used -- they have used some of the vocabulary of the extreme right wing of mrs. le pen, in an attempt to neutralize a part of the discontent. and use -- they -- actually the left and the right agreed on some kind of a reluctance towards integration. be it for religious factor, the question of secularism in france, from the left side or in many cases pure racism or fear of the unknown or fear of terrorism on the right-hand side. both sides have been extreme extremely -- i would say hypocritical in the treatment of the question of minorities. even emmanuel macron his last debate on the media -- on the website, the day before the elections started -- he was asked do you believe in a
multicultural society you had said you were against it. and in a way said, well, i'm for a diverse france, but i'm not for this kind of multiculturalism in the anglo-saxon way. >> what does what mean? >> yes, it's a very -- it's a strange myth in france, it's been one of the pretexts for immobilization, for total lazy fair or take care of the minorities or count them statistically, we'll end up in a ghetto society or a society where the values of the public will not encompass the whole population. but we'll have this kind of patch work society. the french societies have always dreaded. i think because of that myth of the idea of the republic was supposed to regroup and protect
equally all of its citizens -- >> well, philippe, is macron the right guy to fix this unfortunate dynamic you're describing? >> i think he has at least started talking and it was all very courageous of him during his debate against marine le pen to say and repeat that france has a part of responsibility in the radicalization of some parts of the youth of muslim descent in the country. the failure at school, the problems of ghetto, the exclusion and the racism and the young people may have suffered during their life. you create a favorable ground for a radicalization. and he had the courage to say that during the debate. against marine le pen which is
good omen in my opinion. if he wants to fix some society problems, i think he has -- he understood that. it's also the start of his -- of his presidency. will he really keep his word? let's not forget that nicolas sarkozy when he was elected the first time he had promised a system of affirmative action in france and he quickly forgot it when the tension became too hard on the right side. >> felipe cost, u.s. correspondent, thank you so much, my friend. >> thank you. >> joining us now, politico's -- bloomberg's kevin cirilli. let's pick up the reaction of president trump on the reaction. in his tweet, he clearly congratulates emmanuel macron the centrist candidate on the big win. he says today is the -- i look very much to working with him. can this president -- president trump work well with emmanuel
macron? they're both quite wealthy. they both did not have any political experience, if you will. lack of experience, before they became the leaders of their respective countries. so it seems like they might be able to have a lot in common. >> there's some in common, the parallel political paths to power. but donald trump had expressed some support of marine le pen. he never endorsed her officially, but he felt she was stronger on issues like border security. however, as we saw with that tweet and a statement from the press secretary, there's congratulatory notes and he comes from a different point of view than donald trump does. can you imagine some sort of globalist flags being like -- like waving at a donald trump rally like there are youth flags in paris, it's a different dynamic there. >> different dynamic and we look at this, kevin, it not only
there's the complexities of a nationalist, globalist mixture that's happening and what is france and what is as we all know a provincial approach not only to culture but ideas and the way you live day to day which is somewhat different than the way we live here in the united states. there's that. but then there's also moving forward whether or not this president and his white house staff are looking at the results here and seeing a 30 percentage point difference that basically says, your idea of economic nationalism, of nationalism specifically does not seem to be at this point translatable to a european theater. at least not in france. >> right, richard. i think if you look at market reaction the euro is now trading higher above the yen and the dollar. so clearly market reaction has been somewhat positive to this centrist candidate winning. that said, i also would slightly
disagree with hadassah's point, because if you look at president trump when he met with merkel the other week, you know at the white house, these are two world leaders who similarly to what we're watching in france who have had different world views, but i think if you look at that summit this white house showed with angela merkel they're able to try to find common grounds. particularly on the area of national security. and i think that what you're watching now unfold coming from the statements, coming from the white house, richard, this is a pivot from the administration to try to reach out and again try to find that commonality to work with them on issues like national security. >> as you and others who cover the white house and the hill and the -- and d.c., where has been steve bannon in recent days, in recent weeks, but he has been brought up in conversations with me and the last hour and a half with those who are watching the
elections in france. and the question might be the resonance that this idea of the trump administration, the trump effect, or the trump overhang if you will may not have -- may not have helped le pen and she didn't necessarily completely sink with donald trump, if you will, publicly. >> i think it's always interesting when u.s. presidents try to mingle in european politics. i'm thinking back to when former president barack obama spoke out against brexit and then of course we all know how that turned out. so, you know, look, there are different political implications across the board. you're right. this clearly was a choice with le pen being more in line with the type of anti-immigration type of philosophy that we have come to see. and there's no doubt that this will be framed through that lens. i think though from the broader standpoint of where this conversation is headed, i think that from the issue -- it's
headed toward national security and nato. and i think that as you look forward to these bilateral trade agreements, i think you'll be hearing a lot about ways in which france and germany in particular are going to be able to potentially work with the united states, despite their remarkable differences. but i also think -- i would quickly make this point, richard, that the democratic party itself has a lot to learn from what we're watching overseas right now, simply because this is a party that is looking for a leader and could perhaps see the foundations for a path to victory by watching one unfold in france. >> there's a lot of work to be done on the left here in the united states. as you're intss mating. i want to bring into the conversation if we can here, michael isikoff, chief investiga investigative correspondent for yahoo news.
a big headline, the hack. this is yearly a loss for the hackers. because if they were trying to mitigate a success for emmanuel macron, it didn't work. >> right. look, a lot we still don't know about who is behind this. there are indications that this could have been russian hackers perhaps state sponsored. and if that's the case though, even though they were not successful this time, that would be a huge deal because if you go back to the -- what happened in our election last november, the intelligence community not only concluded that was the russians, it pointed out that they had done this, interfered in european elections before. and would likely do it again. and there was a huge debate about whether the response from the obama administration was strong enough at the time. and if they did not respond more
swiftly and more strongly to the russian hack last year, that they -- the russians would feel emboldened and would feel the freedom to mettle not only in our elections but other elections. if that's what happened here, that's going to re-ignite that debate and now i want to put on top of that, if you remember president trump who it seemed to finally accept the conclusion of the intelligence committee that the russians were behind last year's hack and then stepped back a few days ago, just last week in that interview he did with john dickerson from "face the nation." he said it could have been russia, china or somebody else, which did send a signal that the trump administration was going to take this even less seriou y seriousseriously than the obama administration did and the obama administration was being criticized. so i think that's something we should keep our eye on in the days ahead. >> something to keep our eyes on
here, michael, is whether this is the new normal or not. should we expect this in the upcoming elections to have these sort of headlines days before, or hours before a major and pivotal election. we're watching some pictures coming in what we believe to be the motorcade of the elected president -- the president elect, emmanuel macron. we expect him to be arriving at the louvre which we're watching live pictures. i want to let people know what you're see on the left-hand side of the screen. in 30 seconds reflecting on that idea of the near normal. >> yeah. look, you know, we were talking. we've focused on the russians because they have been the most prominent but it is also conceivable that other actors having seen the russian success in the last year in our election have now feel -- they feel they can engage in this as well. others state sponsored, other private actors we don't know. it is a reminder again of the
need for greater cyber security, but also a reminder of the threats to all our democracies from this sort of action. >> michael isikoff, chief investigative correspondent for yahoo news. and hopefully you can stay with us. we are watching of course the results coming out of france. we'll have more as the motorcade of the president elect of france is heading towards the big celebration there at the plaza in front of the louvre museum entrance. thank you all who participated on our "pulse of america" question. are you satisfied with the results of the french election? you can find those results on our facebook page. e's nothing me important to me than my vacation. so when i need to book a hotel room, i want someone that makes it easy to find what i want. booking.com gets it. they offer free cancellation, in case i decide to go from kid-friendly to kid-free.
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