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tomorrow. condoleezza rice set tomorrow night, if you can't watch live, get your dvr, set it to watch the show. follow me on twitter. check out my facebook page. we had a contest today, you might have missed it today at facebook. "hardball" starts right now. sally yates, let's play hardball. good evening, i'm chris in washington. sally yates testified that the former national security adviser, michael flynn, was compromised in regards to the russians when he misled the vice president and the media about his conversations with the russian ambassador to the u.s. yates, who was fired by the trump administration, said flynn made himself vulnerable to blackmail. >> the russians also knew about
what general flynn had done and the russians also knew that general flynn had misled the vice president and others, because in the media accounts it was clear for the vice president and others they were repeating what general flynn had told them. and that this was a problem because not only do we believe that the russians knew this but they likely had proof of this information. and that created a compromise situation, a situation where the national security adviser, essentially, could be blackmailed by the russians. >> well, this morning president trump tried to distract from yates' testimony ahead of time
accusing her of leaking information to the press. trump wrote ask sally yates if she knows how classified information got into the newspaper soon after she explained it to the white house counsel. the senator did exactly that. >> have either of you ever been an anonymous source in a news report about matters relating to
mr. trump as associates or russians' attempt to meddle in the election? >> no. >> absolutely not. >> well, late today the president tweeted again, sally yates made the fake media extremely unhappy today, she said nothing but old news. the news about flynn is incre e increasingly problematic. nbc reported in his first meeting with donald trump after the election, president obama warned him against hiring flynn. according to press secretary sean spicer, that wasn't a surprise given flynn's harsh rhetoric against obama, president obama fired flynn in 2014 as the head of the defense intelligence agency. also today nbc reported "the defense intelligence agency did no former director michael flynn had been paid nearly $34,000 by a russian state media outlet, that's called rt, when renewed security clearance back in april 2016." defense department is investigating whether flynn broke the news. for more i'm joined by the
washington post, former fbi special agent clint watts. and washington post greg miller. let's talk with this about the news made today, greg, you're fir first. >> i think we learned about the back and forth between sally yates and the white house it makes it hard to come away from this exchange. it's at odds how the white house characterized this. she's begging them to take action, describing them as a moment calling for action and they don't do anything about it for weeks. >> robert broke the story that a couple of days after she told th that thisuy was in real trouble, that michael flynn was in real trouble because the russians had basically whenever they wanted to use them he had a conversation with them that he was hiding, they're perfect
blackmail material, they put him into the conversation with putin on the phone, trump -- somebody in the white house, certainly the white house counsel knew it, put him back into the dialogue with putin. >> she did say that, chris. what we're watching today in real time is an inside look into the trump white house in particular about general flynn's position of loyalty next to the president in spite of all of his controversies, inspite of the warning from many people, flynn remained at the president's side and based on my report, it comes back to this point that the president and then candidate trump really relied on flynn to shape his national security policy and strategy during the campaign. once you're in that inner orbit with president trump, it's hard to get out. >> is he still in it. >> general flynn, no, when i'm over at the white house reporting, i find many people would talk about anything but general flynn, but what's interesting in the course of my reporting is that the president
himself, i'm told, remains insistent in private conversation that flynn didn't do anything wrong in his view, that he's still sees flynn in a favorable way, even though in terms of news coverage he's become a thorn in the administration side. >> these rules that we all live by, everybody has them. i work for corporation at comcast and everybody has rules and they have rules about reporting, which you can't do, you learn it pretty quickly when you get the job, it comes with the job, the rules. this rule, if you work for the pentagon, if you're a flag officer and general, and you are told -- you can't go take money from foreign governments, that seems to be almost implicit in your oath. you're not taking government from another government if you're retired. that $34 isthousand dollars is huge. >> it's huge. it's a counter intel that you don't take money from foreign government. what's more bizarre, general flynn was once the director of the d.i.a., which is the counter
intel head for the military. so he's probably heard this or should know it more than anyone else, yet he went ahead and did that. didn't report it and disclose it. and it seems to me, he may have tried to cover that up. this is compromise 101 from a counter intelligence investigation standpoint. >> and not mentioning any of this conversation with the russian ambassador to the vice president, letting the vice president goes on sunday and shows and conveys his
lies for him. this is serious business. any way, president trump tweeted today, general flynn was given the highest security clearance by the obama administration talking about that, for the record, by the way, security clearance are not issued by the political party or political officials administration, none of that, by nonpolitical intelligence, i had a couple when i worked at the white house, you get into the fbi field clearances, there's no politics involved. press secretary sean spicer was asked about what kind of vetting flynn underwent after the
election. >> did mike flynn not need upgrade and security clearance in order to serve as the national security adviser. >> he had been head of the defense intelligence agency, that's the same. >> that's the same clearance that d that, the -- once you get it, you get it for the time he had. he had reinvestigation in april of 2016. the obama administration took no steps. not only did they reaffirm, they took no steps to suspend it or take any action. >> on a security clearance, that's why you get a security clearance, everyone in the government goes through the same process. >> well, not so, actually, according to nbc news spicer was not correct about that. he was required to get additional security clearance through the cia. and former director of national intelligence testified today that the vetting process for political appointees is much
more intense. >> i can't speak to specifics of how it was done with general flynn. i know what i went through as a political appointee twice in two. and the vetting process for either a political appointee or someone working in the white house is far far more invasive and far far more thorough than a standard tssci clearance process. >> a couple of things going on here in playing defense, he does the distraction talking about, oh unmasking over and over again, talk about leaking over and over again, talking about yates as some sort of partisan tool. i have to say, watching it today, i wouldn't want to be against her, very well spoken, nice southern accent, standing up there right in the face of ted cruz, when he was being nasty. right to him as a great debater. he always looks like he's got you. he didn't get her. >> no, she looked like she had
really command there, but, you know, not only of the facts and the room. all the eyes were on her and everybody was waiting for her testimony and she really delivered, i thought, some compelling information that i don't think you can dismiss and it really -- i thought it was very strongly presented and it's going to be hard for the white house to explain how it handled her efforts to get them to pay closer attention to flynn. >> you know, i watch a lot of people, robert, testify on television and see suzanne rice in difficult situations and you see other people and they always come across -- the woman who was at the irs,us to do the women, some of them look nervous. she was straht across the table. there was a power to that intellectu intellectual and moral confidence that i think is driving trump crazy. this is the wrong enemy for him to pick, i think. >> i don't know what's going on inside the president's head. >> oh, you do, come on, you do.
>> no, i do not. >> you've got this guy figured out better than any reporter on the beat. >> let me -- i think he knows that this is one smart woman against him who knows how to talk in public and think quickly and react quickly. >> he does care about presentation, he's paying close attention, we know he monitors television constantly. he's reacting to television news coverage. he is paying close attention to this. they're also paying attention, chris, to have this put up a mirror how the west wing has work, to play people we don't talk about in the course of our conversations here. people like don mcgan, and how the white house really works in terms of the elite, the senior members of the administration and how they share information or don't share information with each other, how they sometimes are competitive angles against each other. pull back the curtain a bit about the different blocks and factions within this west wing. >> do we know whether the white
house attorney, did he walk into the president's oval office and say, i just heard that your buddy michael flynn has got a problem, he wasn't being untruthful to you, the vice president or anybody about the contacts and the substance of his conversations which included talking about sanctions. he has not been straight with you. did mcgan, the lawyer for the president want to tell him that. >> here is what i know. i've talked to multiple people familiar with this. and the story i keep hearing is that mcgan was told by yates about what was happening with flynn. he goes to the president, he tells -- he doesn't tell the vice president. that's what shows, chris, that the white house counsel sees the president as his client. he's not thinking about the vice president, he's not thinking about the administration, that tells you a lot about he thinks through the job of white house counsel. >> thank you. we're learning a lot tonight. it's not looking good for trump and the way he does business. according to yates, the former assistant attorney general, she had two in person meetings with
the white house counsel and one phone call. she said she couldn't delay informing the white house about flynn, watch. >> this was a matter of some urgency. we felt like it was critical that we get this information to the white house because in part because the vice president was unknowingly making false statements to the public and we believe general flynn was compromised with respect to the russians. >> in the past white house officials characterize yates warning as something much less formal. >> the acting attorney general informed the white house counsel that they wanted to give "a heads up to us on some kwequote that may have seen in conflict. >> our legal counsel got a heads upm sally yates that something wasn't addingp with his story and so then our legal department went into a review of the situation. the legal department came back and said, they didn't see anything wrong with what it was actually said.
>> okay. joining me now, i'm exhausting myself there. you remember, of course, the senate judiciary subcommittee on crime and terrorism. well, the testimony was given today. i'm getting a little discussed with sean spicer and those people. they're talking like minori-- n koreans. in the sense of all mimicking their bosses latest tantrum. >> she told me that she was compromis compromised. the question is why, then, two days later they allowed flynn to be on the call with putin and the president for an hour and then allowed them to remain for
16 more days after that, a total of 18 days. i think it's pretty clear that he was compromised. i was the one that asked both director clapper and the former torney general yates about the fact that isn't this blackmail when you have someone hire ranking official saying one thing on tape and then another thing, lying to the vice president and then another thing in public, isn't that material for blackmail. they both definitively said yes. >> any way today, the former director of national intelligence james clapper was asked about that, here is what he said. >> just a standard comment, a general comment, i don't think
it was -- i don't think it was a good practice, put it that way. >> senator, what do you make about somebody grabbing a check, some of these speeches, $34,000 from rnt which is the propaganda army arm of the russians, you know we're taking propaganda money. it's not like you're taking it from some of the favorite cook books. these are people who are told to prop gandize and you're a general and you don't tell your superiors you don't check it in. i mean, this is the stuff, you know. you're taking money from our our enemy and you're keeping it secret. i don't know what 34,000 is in rue bells, it seems that's a pretty good dinner ticket for showing up and giving a speech. >> this is someone who has been in intelligence for years and years and years, knows exactly what russian tv is all about.
i don't think director clapper could have been clearer today when he said this is still going on, that russia has been absolutely empowered by what they were able to accomplish in this last election and that they will continue to do this. and then you have the national security adviser doing something like that, not informing his superiors. it is completely outrageous. and, again, what we're learning today is that president obama warned president trump about this and he still continued to stick with flynn. >> i think the big thing you just said there in that rap up, with clapper, clapper said it better. this is on going. this is not a problem of the past. this is something we have to look forward to in the future. in your career you'll be dealing with this for years, dealing with the russians. >> i want to seen independent commission i've been calling for it since january 4th. when four of us stood there and yes this is about getting to the bottom of what flynn did and
what this administration did. it's about protecting us in 2018 and 2020. right now as one party, next time it will be the other party, this is about our democracy, the cyber attack in france. it's going to happen again. >> it's that recent in france. i notice the senator came out and said the same exact thing, along with you, thank you so much. coming up, president trump and his allies former acting attorney general yates again is motivated by politics and those ho know her best say that's not the case. by the way, she's a career official. much more on the testimony about flynn and the russians. big victory for the globalist, they rejected the right wing nationalist over there, bucking the trend. and house republicans are facing a backlash against trump care for getting hit back home. as we all know for that vote last week, president obama calling on the senate to have
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for 27 years i was honored to represent the people of the united states with the department of justice. >> she openly refuted the white house accounting of general michael flynn openly. much of washington has waited for us since she was fired for her position as acting attorney general by trump. yates who was asked to stay on board, initially, was set to testify in front back in march, but the washington post reported that the trump administration blocked that i can see why, according to -- also tried to tarnish testimony as operative who was out to get trump from the beginning and tort the fact to advance her agenda. while sally yates is in fact a 30-year veteran, working under a number of republican and democrat presidents, she was nominated as deputy attorney general, she received bipartisan support, one of the senators
that voted against her, the only one was jeff sessions which tells you something, more on who sally yates is and what her motivations are, i'm joined from two colleagues u.s. attorney from michigan and paul, we all know him and tonight and i have tell you. the water gate. and i'm sure prosecutors like you can spot them. they spot you you're nervous. -- and let me ask you -- she's a straight shooter.
i know she joined the department of justice in 1989 -- she's a prosecutor. she plays it straight down the line. >>. >> american people -- the last 27 years sally has been with the department, she really is, she's smart, she's fair. she's tough, she's got great judgment and -- barbara is right, that's why she highly regarded. you can tell from what she did in this instance throughout this episode and how she handled it, she did, exactly, i think what
everyone would have liked to have seen her done. she's passionate about the mission of the department of justice and she did exactly the right thing. >> let me ask you, there's two questions, should she have point basically put up the red flag on the issue of what looked like a muslim ban. was that something that would be within the portfolio of the u.s. attorney and assisted attorney general. >> well, as she said during her own confirmation hearing, when she was asked when the president asked you to do something you believe was illegal or unconstitutional, would you stand up to him and say no, i think she fulfilled that promise by doing exactly that. >> and what about the blowing the whistle and the fact that michael flynn was being dishonest public about conversation about russian ambassador. >> absolutely. absolutely. if you're the president of the united states, wouldn't you want to know if your national security adviser might be compromised. >> how about if you were donald trump, would you want to know. he didn't seem to want to know.
>> absolutely. don't you wan to have that information so you can make good decisions and know if you're negotiating with russia, your national security adviser hasn't been blackmailed and compromised in the positions he's given you. >> how do you explain the fact he put him on the phone with putin. >> what did you make of that. any way, you invoke those calls, would you be with ms. yates. >> look, every once in a while, chris, it happens the department of justice gets inflammation about somebody in the administration and the call has to be made by the attorney general or the deputy attorney general about whether that information is sufficient and reliable and important that the white house has to be told. and when that happens, there's a protocol for that. the protocol is exactly what sally did here, if the job and attorney general and deputy to make a call to white house counsel and she explained why she did that.
she was worried first that the underlying conduct was problematic, she wanted to make sure would be lied to by senior member of the administration and in turn was given information to the american people that wasn't true. and, of course, the most important thing is that because of what flynn has done that there was real risk he could be compromised by the russians, so she gave that information to the white house so they could take whatever action the white house thought was appropriate. that's exactly what she told them. >> i often like to think in these cases, what would have happened if she had not notified the white house, what would that look like? you feel sorry for some of these water gate guys, if they had gotten away with it, where would they be now. sally yates, strongly defended why she reviewed the muslim ban and here she is under tough by ted cruz, let's watch. >> suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants or impose on the entry of aliens
any restrictions he may deem appropriate. would you agree that's broad statutory authorization. >> i would and i am familiar with that and i'm also familiar with an additional provision of the ina that says no person shall receive preference or be discriminated against in issuance of a visa because of race, nationality or place of birth that, i believe, was promulgated after the statute that you just quoted. that's been part of the discussion with the courts with respect to the ina is whether this more specific statute trumps the first one that you just described. but my concern was not an ina concern here, it rather was a constitutional concern. >> i have to tell you that trump, i mean, cruz in this case, they seem s smart. he went in there what he felt was his deal breaker. he was going to close the argument and didn't he know she would come back to the subsequent statute, that the
later statute would trump the first. she beat him at that and he was so, so smug about it and she just nailed him. >> well, she obviously had thought through the issue, clearly in advance. i thought one of the interesting revelations that came out today, that sally yates was at the white house on friday january 27th just a couple of hours before the immigration ban was issued and they didn't tell her about it. in fact, the office of legal counsel was told not to tell their boss the acting attorney general about it and i think that if she had advance nostice. she could have given them good advice and could have gotten it right the first time. >> he said he didn't give him -- her the information because they considered her a partisan. what did you think of that shot? >> so i -- >> i couldn't -- go ahead. >> i couldn't disagree more about sally yates being a partisan. the reason she was confirmed by such an overwhelming vote, the reason she was introduced by johnny and john lewis, shows you
how much respect she has across the aisle and the reason -- and the reason she was able to give that answer to senator cruz was preparing for this hearing was not the first time she thought about this question as she explained to the hearing. she was troubled by the decision she had to make. she thought about it in great links, to make sure that she got the answer that she thought was the right answer and so i think the senator cruz under estimated she had thought about this issue and how deeply she felt about it. >> you know, it could be barbara and paul it could be that it's the public -- the real public servants, not the partisans, it could be the other ones people trust at the end. thank you so much. having both on. up next, landslide victory for the obama in france, french voters rejected the marine le pen and the people that won in the uk. this is hard ball with the action news. the average family's hectic home:
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winning yesterday's grownp against right wing into eu marine le pen. macron won with 66%, that's two-thirds against her 34, the main reasons people voted macron to defeat le pen. any way, we'll see. any way her platform and she performed the best among low income lower uneducated voters. they've stayed entirely in the highest number to do so since 1969. what was that? any way this comes after macron's e-mails were hacked and president trump endorsed le pen after last month's -- another paris attack, the people of france will not take much more on this. it didn't, but nacron can't relax -- macron can't relax right yet. while majority french voters may not wanted le pen, 61% also
don't want macron to have majority. thank you jac for joining us. explain this, how it connects to our electing trump, at least in the electoral college with the popular vote and brexit people were the people are working class and noncollege people are britain took themselves out of the european union. >> it is connected. a lot of people in france are very in fear, you know, of -- very -- i will say very in fear about what's happening with immigration with terrorism, with also -- because we have 10%. so the people who vote are very in fear and vote not because they love le pen, because they were this bright. and we also have a very divided country. when you look at the first round, we have 20 person on the
far left and 20 person on the far right and then you have person on the phone. and 20% of the phone and anybody wants to wear with the center all of these people in the center and to say to the extra means that we can do better because, you know, when you see what's happening in germany, in britain, they do a better job than us, so he wants to create a better environment and a better economy for french people. >> i've always said despite the chafing between our two countries over the years. i always thought that the french and americans are middle class country and go to the center. trump is hard to call right or left. he doesn't fit any. the french here have done what i thought, he went to the right, he was socialist, he was anticommunist, the gall was the
center, and olan isn't some crazy socialist, that i can tell. is your country going to stay in the center? are you confident it will? >> it will stay in the center. you know, there's a lot of hope behind him. i mean. this is new. the younger person in a second or third marriage, but this time he's married very attractive older woman, 20 years different, twice. >> and that was -- >> no party. >> no party. he just created his movement one year ago. he was a banker, nobody knew him. >> that doesn't always work. it's very hard to run a government without a party. it's very hard, any way, thank you.
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>> there was a reason why health care reform had not been accomplished before. it was hard. by the time the vote came up to pass the affordable care act, these freshman congressmen and women know they had to make a choice. because of that vote, 20 million people got health insurance who didn't have it before, and most of them did lose their seats.
these men and women did the right thing. >> that was president obama giving a great elegant speech last night. in part for his political bravery to provide health care for all americans, which ultimately came with enormous political cost. we all know that. republicans are trying to kill his signature achievement. the affordable care act and replace it with their own version of sorts. republican lawmakers went home to face the music. here is the scene from town hall, gop members from congress confronted by angry constituents over this issue. >> nobody dies because they don't have access to health care. >> you cannot do this to us.
and to our children, you're doing a death panel. >> you're killing us. >> yes. >> you're killing us. >> shame on you. >> member health services, i mean, i really question if you read this, when you come out and say that the opioid epidemic and yet you vote for a law that takes that out of the mandate, they don't have to provide it, explain that. >> that's not true. >> can i have your copy. >> wow. so much for deference. we're back at the round table, white house correspondent for the "new york times." senior political reporter for usa today and msnbc political analyst. you know, i just -- it's become real now and there's a little bit of this that's se metric with the way the tea party started,he people with the most he heard for the first
time. now you're hearing from people with kitchen table issues. these are people who say, i believe them, have particular losses to their family's health care because of this republican campaign coming. >> you know, one of the things that there's an -- that it's a lot easier to give something than it is to take it away. what the republicans are trying to do, take away something that folks got. and whether you're -- regardless of partisanship, whether you're republican or democrat, if you got health care or coverage, if there was a pre-existing condition with cancer or something you had, it's hard to take it away. i think some of the passion you saw right there is a result of that and the question is whether or not that passion can be focused enough in a kind of partisan way during election time to make a difference the way it really did at the ballot box. >> socialism is a rough word to sell. it's not too hard to sell. >> and the people who want health care are not id logical. they're not going --'d logical.
they're not -- they're not going to use it by other countries as socialism. >> only because we call it a bad word. it's not a good word. our dictionary makes it bad. >> here is the problem is that the premise may be breaking against republicans because their premise is that the best health care is delivered to the free market, what people are now learning is that in the free market, a pure free market, you have winners and losers versus the system that they now have which guarantees a basic level of care for everybody. it's a philosophy that everyone, no matter how much you have or how little you have deserves a basic level of care. >> anyone who has been to the pharmacy lately knows how unfair it can be. >> how unfair it can be. >> these pill prices are frightening, sticker shock. >> the people going with opioid addictions, you've got four to five republicans in the house, that's only 45. the rest of these guys, they are
writing every single attack ad against them already. you know, to say and to have it on camera, well, no one dies. i mean, we know that campaign commercial, someone is going to lose a family member because of the coverage. it was a shellacking with obama, this might be worse than a she la -- shellacking. >> what are they talking about, when you travel in third world country, you're scared to death you're going to be caught in the wrong part of the world if something strikes you. >> if it's not a good hospital around with good blood in it, you're in trouble. >> when they said death panel stress, that's the word and disinformation that was used, i was in south side virginia with tom who lost his seat in this wait and that was a profile encourage. he stood up in front of a big town hall in front of people who were getting mailers, old people, that thought -- we wanted to euthanize them. >> let's talk guts, so with you,
the president gave a good speech. evan thomas didn't agree with me. a republican thought it was a great speech. i think he talked about courage, i'm not so sure it's more courageous to defend obama than it is to be for this crazy change. i think republicans better do a little investigation before they think for something they think is the easy vote. they're going to be responsible and the president signs it, they are the ones responsible for every single person in this country's health condition. >> they may find it's just as hard and political damaging to vote for the republican thing as the way the democrats found. >> it's a hot potato. >> about president obama, former president obama, was he didn't quite demonstrate the kind of courage he was talking about last night. i watched that speech. he could have come out really
strongly against donald trump, against the republicans directly attack -- >> that wasn't the place to do it. >> it might not have been, where is. it looks like he's sticking to this -- to his policy of noncriticism. i think the question, when does he end that and enter the fray a little bit. >> you know why, he's driving a really nice job and the other guy is driving a gilopy. you can't hurt trump's reputation. we'll be right back. up next they'll tell me something i don't know, these three. this is "hardball" with the action news. dear predictable, there's no other way to say this. it's over. i've found a permanent escape from monotony. together, we are perfectly balanced, our senses awake, our hearts racing as one. i know this is sudden, but they say: if you love something... set it free.
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absolutefica taxes. >> you wouldn't pay payroll. >> going nuts about this in another way. >> the gentleman in red white and blue shirt. that man is dead was found shot in the head. that's sad enough. he was the third prominent activists to be shot dead in their car ithe last sl months. >> what's tt tell you. >> it tells you people that people it was a local senator are saying they think people are being targeted. they don't know if it's the police department, or white -- >> it could be a violent neighborhood. >> but when two of the cars, two of the first gentlemen were both shot back of the cars even the local police. >> fair enough. >> michael sheer, the michael sheer, thank you and the jason johnson, when we return let me finish tonight with trump watch. you're watching hard ball with the action news.
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>> trump watch monday may 8, 2017. today donald trump found himself against a prosecutor who should scare the daylights out of him. sally yates the former acting attorney general who dared to blow the whistle twice in his face. first year informed white house trump lawyer director of national security might be up to his neck with the russians. the second strike was calling out his notorious muslim ban as
violation ofhe first amendment which bans the government of recognizing official religion. and th those charges by yates against trump make him look bad and make her look very good. it could be the last part making sally yates look good that's driving the man in the white house up a wall. remember how as senator elizabeth warren once wonderfully put it, he can't stand the fact that he's losing to a girl and that's hard ball for now, thanks for being with us, all in with chris haiyes starts right now. tonight on "all in". >> ms. yates, what did you tell the white house about mr. flynn? >> sally yates speaks out. >> we believed that general flynn was compromised with respect to the russians. >> for the first time ever, former acting attorney general on what she told the white house about michael flynn. >> the underlying conduct that general flynn had engaged in was problematic in and of itself. >> tonight, what we now know ab
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