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subtle? straht talk from a business rebel." sam zell, thank you so much for being on the show. >> what a way to wrap it up. >> good luck with the book. >> that does it for us. you have to hold on one second. >> okay. >> okay. >> stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage. he wants to lead. >> he does. >> right now. >> hi, sam. all right. hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle. this morning much to cover, starting with firing back. president trump blasting congress for the russia investigation as nbc reports president obama warned trump about mike flynn and former acting attorney general sally yates hammered home her warning. >> you don't want your national security adviser compromised with the russians. >> in the line of fire, the 13 male senators charged with crafting their health care bill meet today, as republican house members meet fury in their home district. one congressman storms out of an interview. >> and i'm done.
>> we haven't even -- >> this is ridiculous. >> and jimmy kimmel is back, after his emotional health care speech. >> i saved health insurance in the united states of america. i didn't? i didn't save it? they voted against it anyway! >> plus, riot at the gate. the wild scene in florida after one airline cancels multiple flights, give new meaning to spirit airlines. >> [ bleep ]. we begin with president trump pushing back against former acting attorney general sally yates and former dni james clapper after with the two described giving the white house detailed warnings about russia's influence over mike flynn nearly three weeks before he was fired. here's the question, why is the president saying the testimony actually helped him? we're going to find out and we have the best team in the business to break it down. first to nbc's peter alexander
at the white house. peter? how exactly is the adminiration spinning this as a positive wle there wasn't any bombshell pointing at president trump or wrongdoing it was clear sally yates and james clapper threw him under the bus? >> yeah, stephanie, that's right. be clear, this was a dramatic day of testimony. sally yates, the former acting attorney general, saying there was an urgent danger which is why six days into president trump's term in office, she came here to the white house to go directly to the white house counsel to say that michael flynn would potentially be compromised, could be compromised or blackmailed by the russians because they knew information about the information he had been providing to the vice president and others that was simply untrue and that was then being parroted publicly. the bottom line he had been having conversations about russian sanctions with the russian ambassador. donald trump quick and dismissive with his reaction last night shortly after yates wrapped up on a miniature tweet storm as it were, basically
saying that there was nothing but old news that we heard from sally yates. he said the russia/trump collusion story was a total hoke and he said it was a taxpayer funded charade and saying the biggest story today between clapper and yates is on surveillance. why doesn't the big media report on this. it is fair to say that today we heard from a leading democratic senator who was asked if there is any smoking gun on russia/trump team collusion and he said at this time there is no smoking gun but insists this is an incremental process going forward. notably, today, chris christie is also speaking out publicly and the reason this matters is, christie, who was an adviser to president trump, was one of the two individuals who attended those intelligence briefings before president trump won the election, the intelligence briefings were provided to trump and by his side was michael flynn and chris christie, saying flynn was not always my cup of
tea. basically saying he made that point clear to president trump. the bottom line today, why did 18 days pass between sally yates' warning and president trump ultimately firing his national security adviser? >> all right. i want to bring my panel in. mike pesca, with slate, bill cohen with "vanity fair" and auth of hy wall street matters" and jeremy bash, former chief of staff at the cia and d.o.d. as well as an msnbc national security analyst. jeremy, i want to start with you, president trump is sort of saying no new news, but while he says this, he keeps yesterday's testimony in focus. >> two important pieces of news that came out of yesterday. first, on three separate occasions, sally yates, the attorney general, in an acting capacity, when to the white house and said we have a problem on our hands. not only did the national security adviser mislead the vice president, second, his underlying conduct, his conversation with the russians is problematic to use her words, in and of itself. and so the white house's
explanation this was a mere head's up and that the only thing they did wrong was lie to the vice president both of those now don't hold up to scrutiny after yesterday's compelling testimony. >> we should put into context while christie ti is throwing a bit of shade he would have liked to have been part of the administration. it's convenient for chris christie to say he wasn't my cup of tea. he would have liked to have a post there. i want to share an exchange that went on yesterday and get your thoughts. take a look. >> do you have any evidence or are you aware of any evidence that would suggest that in the 2016 campaign, anybody in the trump campaign colluded with the russian government or intelligence services in an improper fashion? >> senator, my answer to that question would require me to reveal classified information. >> okay. so while there's no smoking gun, the fact that neither sally yates nor james clapper could definitively answer no, there
was nothing, when they say i can't answer, doesn't that somewhat imply there's something there? >> well, it provides the factual predicate for three federal investigations. one by the house, one by the senate, i should add both of those are led by republicans, this isn't some democratic hoax, both are led by republican chairmen and the third investigation by the justice department and federal bureau of investigation. yes, to answer your question, this a factual predicate t investigate these matters thoroughly. >> all right. i want to talk about my -- a moment that stood out to me, bill, when james clapper was directly asked about president trump's business ties in russia. take a look. >> did you ever find a situation where a trump business interest in russia gave you concern? >> not in the course of the preparation of the intelligence community assessment. >> since? >> i'm sorry? at all? at any time?
>> um, senator graham i can't comment on that because that impacts an investigation. >> okay. we have not seen president trump's taxes. james clapper is saying he cannot comment on whether there are business ties to russia. just yesterday, we were talking about a 2014 interview that eric trump did with a golf reporter, not part of some liberal media attack hound troupe, who said, yeah, we get our -- our lenders are russian. we don't need american banks. we have russian lenders. don jr. snads 2008 at a real estate conference, they have a disproportionate amount of investment from russia and yesterday eric trump said lie, not real news, fake, eric trump, please, i would love for you to come on and tell us if russia wasn't your lenders in 2014, what exactly you meant, because we don't want to mislead any viewers. what's your take? >> well, it's obvious we know well, that the trumps had a lot
of trouble getting anybody lending -- to lend them money. >> we do know that. >> the only bank that really decided to lend them money was deutsch bank. >> who was deeply tied to russia as it is. >> and trump ended up suing deutsch bank over the chicago tower and they ended up settling and resolving differences and as donald trump has told me many times deutsch bank was throwing money at him when it came to the doral golf course in miami. so where the trumps got their money, where they get their money and continueo their money, we may talk a little bit later about how, you know, they tried to get money from chinese investors. the trumps and finances remains a deeply interesting story and james clapper did not answer it yesterday, i noted. >> i'm not going to stick four donald trump but i will say this, in 2008, everyone who is making money in real estate in new york sloshed with russian money. maybe that's what the younger trump -- >> no. that's not fair to say. >> he could have -- >> hold on. in 2008, not everyone involved
in real estate. steve schwarzman from blackstone who is one of the ceo advisors to president trump, i asked him myself two years ago in davos, are you ining in russia and with russia which so many people are and he clearly said i do not do business in places where we don't have a firm understanding of the rule of law. so it's not fair to say that everyone was awash with russia and if they were, president trump is welcome to tell us that and he hasn't. >> it's never been disclosed if that, in fact, he's got money from russia it was not on his disclosure forms. >> what the trumps have said is something akin to, we sell luxury towers a lot of russian buyers. the steels do see yea explicitly said we tried to look for a russian connections and we didn't find any. that was this very damaging dossier in other ways. it was interesting a fact to put out there. the opacity is the most important thing that's what you're saying and to clear it up he can't or the trumps can't both say hey, trust us but we're
not going to give you the actual information to allow us to be trusted. >> can i ask you quickly about this pro publicly ka report that james comey in his testimony may have to retract things, i remembered when he said it and he said, we uncovered houma abedin had forwarded hundreds and thousands of e-mails to ntseny weiner's computer and now it sounds like pro publicly ka is pushing the fbi to maybe retract that. what do we know. >> i haven't seen the report. i do want to go back to one issue, it's not merely about opacity or lack of transparency and disclosure forms. this is a national security matter. when the russians use shell corporations a senator whitehouse laid out in the hearing yesterday, when they use business to influence politics, that is a national security matter for us. that's something we should be on guard on and be weary and defend against. >> unmasking, how about unmasking those. talk about a major potential major shift in military strategy
in afghanistan. the u.s. appears ready to expand its role in a country where american troops have been stationed for more than, get your head around this, 15 years. more than 15 years. we've been in afghanistan. possibly adding now thousands more troops. hans nicoles is at the pentagon with more. hans? >> stephanie, what we have here is a consideration and this is 3,000 to 5,000 additional troops for afghanistan according to military official. and what we know is this process has percolated up, general nicholson, the commanding general in afghanistan said publicly he wants a few thousand. i think we're right to focus on the number of troops because it is a clear escalation, but more importantly is the strategy, stephanie, that is that these troops would be there to support the afghan national army to go directly against the taliban. this would be in support of the government there. there's a new president there. there's a lot of complaints about hamid karzai and these troops would be bolstering an army that has really had three
problems, corruption, desertion, and high casualty rates. that's what the strategy seems to be. no decision is final. president trump has not weighed in on this and we're picking a little bit back and forth. there may be -- debate may be too strong but strong discussion at the national security level on whether or not to go forward with this. and one thing to sort of caveat this with, as you said, 15 years there, but you hear this more at the pentagon as well. what is the strategy in afghanistan. what's the long-term role there and what's the goal? the pentagon doesn't necessarily hear a lot of guidance from the white house on this, but they are talking about additional troops. one other quick note, stephanie, it would be the pentagon that would be deciding the precise numbers. they wouldn't be as some in the pentagon feel, micro managed the way they feel they were under the obama administration. the obama administration was saying we're putting limits on our generals. stephanie? >> i have to ask my panel about this. president trump has said before, in certain matters i'm going to leave it to the general
how big a deal would it be to leave it to the pentagon and does this essentially say pentagon is setting more policy? >> he said i know more than the generals. i've been in the middle of the conversation between the white house and pentagon and you need both. you need the secretary of defense, you need the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, you need the combatant and field commander on one side and the national security adviser and national security council and ultimately the commander in chief, the president himself, to make these decisions. they have to be done within the national security council. they have to have a functioning interagency discussion with the state department, the intelligence community, bringing all players to the table and hammer it out. if the commander came forward with a request with 3,000 or 3500 or 4,000 troops if auto i were the national security adviser i would ask what for, what are your missions, where will the troops be deployed and once the president is satisfied let the secretary of defense deploy the forces. >> we have to take a break. next we will turn to health care. a big debate. we will talk about those 13
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you're watching msnbc. i'm stephanie ruhle. the 13 member working group of senators on health care will meet for the first time today to discuss how to move forward after the house passed the gop's health care bill last week. but this is the reaction facing some republican house members who voted for the bill at town halls. >> your employers is -- >> let him speak. >> all right. well let's go live to capitol hill and msnbc's mike viqueira. first to these senators meeting
on health care today. what are they hoping to accomplish? they have a mountain in front of them. >> they sure do. a question about when and if they can come up with a solution. stephanie, the senate is fond of forming what they call gangs around some of the big issues. we saw the gang of eight around immigration, for example. the one difference, the gangs are bipartisan. this is all republicans and what's more all men as you can see here. republican leadership has been in no small -- under no small amount of criticism for doing that. i'm told this group has actually been meeting informally for some time even before the house vote. it notably misses two prominent senators here, moderate senators on the issue of health care, susan collins of maine and bill cassidy of louisiana who have been working on their own for a separate bill, been left out of this. it is aide range when you consider the demographics of it. rob portman against what the house bill is going to do about medicaid, cutting benefits dramatically and funding to opportunity of $880 billion.
and mike lee, the conservative from utah, who says it's simply too -- it doesn't get -- do away with obamacare altogether root and branch like he wants to do. >> michael, we've been talking for days about some of these testy town halls, gop members who voted for the bill have faced when they've gone home. talk me through this iowa congressman who walked out in the middle of an interview at his town hall. >> this is kind of interesting. the station is kcrg, they're in cedar rapids and debuke. the congressman from the first district of iowa is named rod plum. kcrg has been asking for an interview for some time. the congressman finally agreed to do it under one stipulation he be surrounded by children in the interview. the interview started and immediately it didn't go well. the reporter asked why the congressman was iding people at his town hall to ensure only those people from his district could attend. the congressman said because those are the people that i represent.
then the reporter said, well will you take donations from outside the first district? campaign donations? this is how the congressman reacted. >> i don't represent all iowans. i represent the first district of iowa. >> would you still take donations from a republican in wa city. >> i'm done. this is just a little -- >> we haven't even -- we just started. >> this is ridiculous. this is ridiculous. >> we -- >> you're going to sit here and just badger me. >> we asked why you wanted to do the interview. that was it. congressman, come on. take a seat. congressman, i insist. >> well there you have it. >> that was awkward. i wonder what the children were thinking that. the station kgrg reminding everyone the congressman has three town halls in his district this week. >> i have to bring my panel in. health care is life or death. optics for a moment, first of all that the fact that congressman was insisting that he wanted to be surrounded by
children, let's talk about that. and number two, when you look at that 13 person working group with the exception of ted cruz who is latino, it is 100% white over the age of 50 male working group. how on earth can the gop, if their goal is let's just get this through at all costs maybe that group works. but if the goal is to represent this country, how do they even say yep, that's what it looks like? >> on the second question, the gop has to pull from the talent poll, only five female senators, one is joanie earnest and deb fischer but the other three are maybe no votes caputo from west virginia and alaska and collins. i guess they were too dicey to include in the working group. on the kids issue i wonder if those were the same kids lebron james rented for the decision. does seem the grammar school shield doesn't work. as far as optics you know this, it's going to work, but on tv
you're strapped up to things and that awkward moment. >> you can't run. >> you can't turn. it looks awful. and it was too quick. >> it draws significantly more attention than anything else, which i actually -- >> the kid in the skeleton suit did not know what was going on. >> there are members of the working group under the age of 50 but there are not any -- >> ted cruz. >> bill, i want to ask you this. as we look at this bill we have been told by people who voted for it, listen, insurance companies are strangled. they cannotossibly offer insurance under obamacare. it doesn't work. we nee to make things more competitive. if you look at the highest paid ceos among s&p 500 companies, a large portion of those companies are in health care and pharma. look at ceo compensation in 2015. aetna insurance, that just dropped out of the state of virginia because it didn't make money, their ceo is paid $17.26 million in 2015. sigma, $17.31 million, mylan
labs, the ep py pen, $18 million, regeneron, $47 million. how does the argument work that these insurance companies cannot be competitive in the current environment when their ceos are raking in money like this and the people attending many of those town halls, it's truly life or death for them. >> you know, stephanie, this is america at its worst, trying to take health care away from 24 million americans while at the same time, paying ceos at these extraordinary levels. you know how this game works on ceo pay. they get their consultant, why are those three health care companies all around the same $18 million mark. because they've all done their stats and they've pulled it together, the consultants said you're as good as this guy and that guy and therefore they're getting $18 million. >> we don't want to discount ceo but we're willing to offer discount health care. >> thank you very much. and we don't want to discount, you know, banker pay, we don't want to discount hedge fund pay.
i don't want to get into a bill ayman discussion where he loses $4 billion investing in a health care company and still is a billionaire. our society has problems. this is one of the major ones and frankly, repulsive when they have these kinds of meetings with these senators who do not represent our country from an ethnic diversity point of view and try to make law out of it. i think it's horrendous. >> 24 million people pair that against $47 million payday. that's a picture. okay. we're taking a break. next, turmoil in the terminal. a melee breaks out at a florida airport. that's how it goes down in fort lauderdale after spirit airline cancels several flights. much more on the violence and why passengers today at this moment are so on edge. outrage toward the airlines is not just limited to the airport. allen joyce, a ceo of qantas, he was speaking at a business breakfast in australia when a man walks up to him and pies
welcome back. you're watching msnbc. time for your primer, everything you need to know to start your day. president donald trump fired off a series of tweets surprise surprise after sally yates and james clapper testified o capitol hill. the president dismissed the russia investigation as a, quote, taxpayer funded charade saying the hearing provided no new information, but his tweets kept us talking about it. south koreans went to the polls to elect a new president after the former president was impeached in march for corruption. according to the exit polls liberal candidate moon jae-in appears to be the winner. >> remaining eight penn state students scheduled for arraignment for involvement in the death of sophomore tim piazza after a fraternity pledge party. eight members were charged on friday with involuntary manslaughter, aggravated assault and hazing. phoenix police say they have arrested the man responsible for
shooting nine people over the course of four months last year. 23-year-old aaron sawced do was in police custody and now faces 26 additional felony charges. and in sports, my favorite, steph curry led the warriors to victory over the utah jazzes last night, sweeping the series to advance the western conference finals. he's also got a lot of people talking about the word kerfuffle. breaking overnight chaos at the fort lauderdale airport, not talking about spring break partying. look at this, full-on fights. breaking out between passengers and police yesterday. this is cell phone video shot by a witness as law enforcement worked to get the intense scene under control. i want to bring in tom costello who covers aviation for nbc news and seth caplin partner of "airline weekly." tom, start with you, spirit
airlines, living up to the brand. >> it was an absolute mess. what happened was they canceled about nine flights yesterday out of hollywood international airport and that meant hundreds of people were stranded and that's when tempers got heated. we started seeing exchanges between passengers and the airline staff and between passengers themselves. then eventually police got involved and they got into the middle of the altercation. all of this because a spirit airlines pilots have essentially been engaged in a work stoppage and as a result, according to the airline, they were unable to fly those planes yesterday. here's the bad news, today, 28 more flights have been canceled at least as of this moment, because of spirit airlines dealing with this pilot union slowdown, so this could continue today. not necessarily the fights but an expression of the frustration boiling over at fort lauderdale international airport. >> thank you for correcting me.
i may have said fort lauderdale. it was hollywood. seth, you've been following the airline industry for some time. what is your reaction to this video? >> oh, it's awful. in the context of everything else we've seen recently. and look, when something like this happens at spirpts, ta is a little bit worse than other airlines because of the way spirit is set up, it can't kind of automatically put passengers on other airlines. when your flight on american is canceled, it can put you on a united flight rather easily. spirit can't do that, you know, so we had over the course of a few days, more than 100 cancellations as tom mentioned, 28 so far today, the airline by the way, actually sued its pilot union yesterday saying this is illegal. you know, this -- you can either strike according to a very lengthy procedure they can't do yet, or you can't do this. that 28 flights by the way has been holding now for a couple
hours. so let's see if that, although a very high number for an airline spirit size, more, in fact, cancellations for spirit than any other airline in the world today, that would be a lot less. if it holds than what we've seen in recent days, you know, pilots for their part say hey, we've been negotiating for a year and a half, this airline doesn't want to give us the raises we're due. >> in terms of you get what you pay for, no one pays for or should expect a fight or a riot, but spirit airlines shoul they be expected high customer service, the ability to redirect passengers on to different flights? it's a really cheap airline for a reason. ryan air is massively successful in europe because those customers know what they're getting. can a spirit airlines passenger expect to get the kind of customer service treatment a united airline passenger can? >> everybody wants safe, reliable travel. yeah. people understand when they fly spirit they're not going to get some of the other amenities. but the airline actually over
the past year or two, has been trying to restore its reputation. it's been trying to say hey, it's not going to be fancy, but you are going to get to where you are going reliably. ryanair, which spirit very much follows that template had been doing that for a few years and has actually managed to become more profitable while taking better care of its customers. its ceo flamboyant irishman says hey, if i knew that taking care of customers so well would be so profitable i would have done it years ago. spirit now, just as it sort of followed ryanair's path in the beginning, stripping everything out of the product, is trying to do the same thing. and this is not going to help in that regard. >> ryanair ceo certainly a character and again, spirit airlines, no one should ever expect to show up at the airport and face a fight. all right. gentlemen, thank you for breaking it down for us. before we go, moments ago the markets opened five minutes ago and as you can see, slightly up on the day, 21 as we get our
morning started. we're going to take a break. next, jimmy kimmel's highly anticipated return to late night a week after his emotional monologue about his newborn son billy that became a rallying cry for opponents of the republican health care bill. >> as a result of my powerful words on that night republicans in congress had second thoughts about repeal and replace. they realized what is right is right and i saved health insurance in the united states of america. thank you. >> seth. >>. >> i didn't? they voted against it anyway?
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with less pain, i can be more active. ask your doctor about lyrica. i would like to apologize for saying that children in america should have health care. it was insensitive. it was offensive and i hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me. >> that, of course, was jimmy kimmel responding to critics on his first day back on the job after his passionate monologue about chdren's health care. kimmel took a week off to spend time with his newborn son billy who was suffering from congenital heart disease. during that time kimmel was aggressively criticized by the right for his plea for affordable health care coverage. but it does have one republican louisiana senator bill sacassid applying a new test to health legislation. >> we got to fulfill president trump's contract, lowering premiums with coverage that passed the jimmy kimmel test. if we do that we get an american
plan, not democrat or republican, an american plan, and that's where we need to be. >> there you have it. i have jeff jarvis with me, professor at cuny graduate school of journalism and mike pes kashgs bill cohen, jeff, i want to start with you, we saw republicans say we will apply the jimmy kimmel test. do you believe jimmy kimmel had a tangible -- well, we know health care went through. but do you think he's had a tangible impact? >> the night he gave his first speech on the show about his son i tweeted, the record for all history then, that he will save health care. i think this is a moment when, you know, maybe a little late to it, not quite there yet, but i think that is a moment in history when we bring back empathy into politics and also, note the power of comedy in this country now. the comedy does journalism's job, politics and activism job, calls b.s. what others don't. that's what jimmy kimmel did is make it personal and human and i hope, i pray, that he's going to
save health care. >> i want to share a bit more of jimmy kimmel pushing back on his critics. until now, when we have seen celebrities, movie stars get political in the age of trump, a lebrity politician, it's worked against them to a extent. take a listen. >> when i was a kid, we had like -- we had to drink the powdered milk because we couldn't afford the liquid. our orange juice came frozen out of a can. my father on the rare occasion we took a family trip would hide the dog in the back of the car and then smuggle it into our motel room to avoid paying $29 pet fee. so, i have to say, my dream was to become an out-of-touch hollywood elitist and i guess it came true. >> all right. so adding comedy to this, is that why it's good work here? >> he's not a movie actor without a script. he comments on life. i mean, we go back to johnny carson some of his impact but jimmy kimmel is using it more aggressively and we need that today. the whole range of comedians i think made a big difference. >> what's your take?
>> i think james at put it well, what kimmel did was experience politics as someone who's not mired in politics, experiences it. he's the most relatable guy. colbert has carved out his anti-trump stance which i love and fallon is not trying to do that. kimmel when he comes on has an impact. we can't really run an experiment to see if you're right. we can't -- we don't have the test case. the first version of health care the bill got 17% approval. if it dies it might have died absent kimmel. the other thing i would say is, there's a big body of evidence that the best thing satire does is provides everyone with an escape valve and that's valuable. i don't know how often it changes the policies of the rulers. i've read accounts of satire in nazi germany and it went on and sometimes people would be punished but the specific kind of sat tyre that works is not when you talk about a person or trump's coloration or the size of his hands but talk about the direct failure of his policies. that satire works. it slijs we have the broad
array -- seems like we have a broad array offing may fun of everything that's going on -- of make fun of everything that goes on with trump -- >> i think the difference is this, jon stewart and stephen colbert politicize my children who are 25 and 20 and i think they -- >> jeff jarvis' kids were going to be neocons. >> geeks and other things. they weren't as into politics. hearing your fatr blabber on doesn't do a darn thing. comedy doesn't do much, fathers do nothing. they have the impact of mobilizing a generation and changing where the generation goes. it also ties into twitter. the other thing that's happened is, the i am a preexisting conditi conditi conditionhashtag i was saying i have prostate cancer and thyroid cancer and other things you don't want to know, other will be affected and hurt. his kid has a preexisting condition for the rest of his life. >> i'm a jeff jarvis fan and
follow him on twitter. >> i do too. >> too much. >> but the reality, i just don't the republicans and i don't feel that they care about covering americans who need, you know, like jimmy kimmel's child. i think they wanted a win, they passed this cynical piece of legislation, they celebrated it in the white house rose garden. now you've got this -- >> could that be why president trump has somewhat made it clear that he's going to have now this hands off approach now that it's sitting in senate? because he feels like he got his win, he needed to get it through, now for the hard part he's going to leave that to mitch? >> he didn't get a win. he got something he could claim to be a win. it is so far from being a win and so disgusting what he does, by having a ceremony in the white house, in the rose garden, make it slijs he has a win, he does not have a win, he's claiming it as a win. >> bill cohen, jeff jarvis doesn't get to win the preexisting condition battle because you're on my show and i, too, have a preexisting condition, i'm a woman.
all right. when we come -- jeff, thank you. when we come back jared kushner under the microscope after his sister's pitch, are you listening, to a group of rich chinese investors. now three leading senators are asking for more information on any financial interests, any trump official has into a controversial visa program. that blind trust of jared's, it's his brother-in-law running it. before you go, we know who jimmy carter wanted to win last year's election. he revealed how he voted in the democratic party -- primary last night. >> we have got to get people involved and you do that by being honest about the real problems they face and come up with real solutions. >> did you all see why i voted for him? it's time for the "your business" entrepreneurs of the week. breaking up was hard to do for
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weekend to chinese business people. that pitch revolved around the controversial eb-5 visa granting rich foreigners a visa if they invest at least half a million bucks in the united states. three democratic senators are calling on the white house to release information on any financial interest that the trump administration has in the program. i want to bring in jessie drucker, a reporter for the "new york times" who has a piece out titled "kushner family stands to gain from visa rules in trump's first major law." the panel is still here. jesse, give us an update on this. >> over the weekend jared kushner's sister led a marketing pitch in china, first in beijing and then shanghai on saturday afternoon, where she touted her strong family connections as a way to entice chinese investors to invest half a million dollars in a project in a pair of luxury towers the company is building in jersey city.
it's through a program that essentially, as you say, gives visas to pple who are willing to inves half million dollars in qualified projects. >> we have seen real estate developers use this before. but the kushner family, have they been working on a deal like this, enticing chinese investors before the trump administration existed? is this something they've always done? >> i don't know about always done. but there is a building that opened a few months ago called trump bay street, a trump-branded kushner luxury high-rise in jersey city that got $50 million in eb-5 visa funding. this is as far as i know their second attempt. they are trying to get $150 million for the program for the new towers in jersey city that they're looking to build. the issue is obviously that the conflict of interest laws prevent jared kushner from doing anything in his capacity as a white house official to directly benefit his family. the laws, however, do not preclude his family from essentially trying to trade in on his position as a white house adviser to benefit the kushner
family business, a business in which mr. kushner is still invested through a series of trusts. i mean, one of the things here is that jared kushner is no longer running the business, but he is still a beneficiary of the business. >> and he has got that trust being run by his sister's husband, his sister, who conducted the presentation in china. his stake, as your article points out, is a $600 million stake. >> it's potentially much more than that. one level here is that jared kushner divested a small portion of his interest in the kushner company's business in part by selling it to a trust where his mother is the trustee but he retained the vast majority of it. jared kushner is essentially still invested in it a multi-billion dollar business that's doing in some cases a billion or $2 billion a year in deals involving loans from am so of the biggest banks in the u.s. and biggest banks overseas and probably most importantly
involving partners both here in the u.s. and abroad whose names he won't disclose. that's probably the most troubling issue here is that we still have no idea who jared kushner's partners are. >> sean spicer said jared kushner will have nothing to do with specifically this eb-5 visa program. how is that that different from ivanka trump not being directly involved in her company requesting trademarks in china? jared kushner, in his portfolio of responsibilities in the white house has in there, relations with china. >> yeah. that's one of the other complications here is that, you know, the conflicts of interest laws which cover all federal officials are generally covering officials that have relatively defined areas of responsibility, right? so if you are the secretary of health and human services, well, then try to avoid having business interests in the health industry. the problem here is that jared kushner's portfolio is so broad, and really nebulous. we don't really know what he is responsible for. so to have that alongside the
fact that he is still invested in -- it's not like he is invested in a few stocks in the stock market. he is invested in a sizable, very significant business, a business where, by the way -- some people have suggested he should divest the interests in put them into a blind trust. it's very difficult to see how you would do that successfully. typically what government officials do is they put their interests into a blind trust. the shares in verizon are sold. they buy shares in g.e. and they don't know it's going on. it's difficult to keep it a secret if his family is buying and selling properties. making deals with goldman sachs and deutsche bank. in some ways that's academic because he hasn't even done that. he is still a beneficiary of this business and very aware. >> it's not technically illegal. you get what you get and you don't get upset. jesse, sweet. gentlemen, stay here. next, a member of the senate
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