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predecessor pledged 100% of his support for her. and friends are good to have even in politics. even if they're on the other side of the world. but as for that branstad, mark, who is going to pass 22 years as a sitting governor in this country ever again? that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more p dail for the record with greta, though, starts right now. grets a, lots of news to chew on today. >> i know. sounds like he's a cal rip kin of goerchz. >> -- governors. he set a mark. thank you, chuck. we have breaking news, the russians may have fed a fake document to the fbi last summer and that this document might have duped former fbi director comey and influenced his decision to hold that press conference last july about the clinton e-mail without first notifying former attorney general loretta lynch. that decision to hold that press conference set off a chain
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reaction, including comey's pivotal decision on october 28 to reopen the clinton case just days before the election. now, this is brand-new reporting. it is a powerful new evidence that the russians were attempting to influence our election. comey refusing to talk about this document in his final testimony before he was fired. >> how and when did you first learn of this document? also, who sent it and who received it? >> that's not a question i can answer in this forum, mr. chairman, but it would call for a classified response. >> did the fbi interview the person who wrote the e-mail? if not, why not? >> i have to give you the same answer. i can't talk about that in an unclassified setting. i'm not confirming there was an e-mail, sir. i can't -- the subject is classified. >> with me karen national political correspondent for the washington post which broke this article. karen, let's get a time line first. when did the fbi first get wind of this e-mail?
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then i'll ask you what the e-mail is. >> sure. my colleagues colin and devlin are reporting the fbi actually got hold of this memo about an e-mail in march, which would have been four months before director -- then director comey -- >> march of 2016. >> march of 2016, four months before last july when director comey got up and announced that he was not going to -- that hillary clinton was not going to be prosecuted, but then absolutely blistering her over her e-mail practices. >> all right. this was an explosive issue. the e-mail which the fbi never actually saw, they just got a report, what was supposedly in this explosive e-mail? >> well, what was in the e-mail was, it was three levels of hearsay. it was basically attorney general loretta lynch assuring a democratic operative that she was not -- that she was going to protect hillary clinton in this
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e-mail investigation. this was never going to get to a prosecution. but that hearsay, according to the memo, gets passed along to the chairman of the democratic party who then passes it along to an operative for george soros. again, this is three levels of hearsay. what the post discovered was it was among people who barely know each other and had not -- >> all right. and after the july fifth press conference when comey essentially, in my word, went rogue, he had that press conference without talking to his boss loretta lynch, she was the subject in part of this e-mail saying she was going to quash this investigation. when did the fbi talk to her? >> not until after the announcement. >> according to the washington post, she said she doesn't know any of these people and she said i'll do a formal interview. you can talk to everybody on my staff. >> and beyond that, it turns out that the operative for the
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clinton campaign who supposedly had this information knew a loretta lynch, but it was another person named loretta lynch. so, it was a complete -- >> and debbie wasser man schultz was named in it. when the washington post contacted her she said she didn't know any of these people. did the fbi contact her? >> finally the washington post had a conversation with her about this. all of the contacts that should have been made in the four months that the fbi had access to this memo didn't get made until after director comey announced his decision on -- not to prosecute hillary clinton. >> this is the way it looks to me. it looks like this very damning information about the attorney general which turns out to be false, was one of the reasons director comey bypassed her and had that july fifth press conference, although he included the fact that bill clinton had met with loretta lynch on the tarmac. he said he didn't trust her, but they never bothered to talk to loretta lynch until a month
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later and she offered to tell all. on the record, essentially. and they never bothered to contact anybody else. and now director comey didn't want to talk about the -- saying it was classified. to me it doesn't look like it's classified. he doesn't want to be outed for making a big blunder. >> the big picture here is we have been talking about russian efforts to influence the last presidential elections, we have been talking about efforts to influence public opinion. whether it was with leaking e-mails or putting wallpapering the internet with fake stories. this suggests a whole different level where the russians were actually trying to influence the decision-making processes within the fbi as they are trying to decide whether to prosecute hillary clinton. >> but how painful that the head of the fbi or the fbi could be duped, and how painful that they don't investigate, do basic things. and it isn't until the washington post comes along and the washington post does a simple thing of picking up the phone.
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>> well, that is pretty extraordinary. and, again, it was not like they were having to move quickly on this. they had this memo -- >> they apparently acted on. extraordinary and disturbing both. thank you, karen. >> great to be here. >> also in the russia probe, today is the deadline set by not just one, but two congressional committees. the committees demanding that the fbi and white house turnover documents written by former fbi director james comey about his interactions with president trump. now, aides in the senate judiciary committee confirming to nbc they have not received the documents from the white house or the fbi. and on the house side, the oversight committee which only sent its letter to the fbi says the fbi has not responded to its request. meanwhile, the top house republican refusing to stand by president trump's reported description of former fbi director james comey as a nutjob. >> does it concern you that the president referred to the former fbi director as a nutjob? >> i don't agree with that and
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he's not. >> does it concern you the president meeting in the oval office -- the vice-president and the attorney general to leave, and then he asked the fbi director jim comey to let flynn go? >> yeah. so, i don't know the veracity of these things -- >> that's why it's disputed. >> that's why we have an investigation. what i'm not going to do is comment on things that are under ongoing review. >> and today the top democrat on the house intelligence committee confirming his committee will subpoena documents from normer national security advisor michael flynn. >> we had invited general flynn to come and testify before our committee and asked for appropriate documents. that request was denied. it is our practice that we invite people to provide information voluntarily. then only if necessary we subpoena them. so, we are in discussions about issuing the requisite subpoenas now. it is our expectation those should go out, we hope shortly. >> with me, senator sheldon
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whitehouse, democrat from state of rhode island who serves on the senate judiciary committee and has had very strong words for the president after the washington post report that the president asked top intelligence leader to push back on the fbi russia investigation. senator, white house saying the president is engaging in obstruction. senator joins us. nice to see you, senator. >> thank you, greta. >> your committee asked on may 17 documents be produced by today from the white house and the fbi of any conversations, records, documents of former fbi director comey with the president. have you received those? >> we have not, and it's consistent with conspicuous nonproduction of things that we've asked for. >> what are you going to do about it? >> well, work with the chairman. i'm trying to make sure we pin it down, but we have a perfectly legitimate right to ask these questions. and just because the executive branch doesn't want them
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answered is no reason not to provide us the material. in fact, it's the reason we need to be provided the material. >> all right. if you have a perfect right, they say we have a perfect right not to respond, perfect right not to produce, are we the american people going to watch this stalemate? >> we'll see, but i don't think that they'll be able to withstand much scrutiny with that. you know, we have the right to see documents. if they are the product of an investigation, if they are evidence of an investigation that hasn't been released yet, if they are the kind of information that comey improperly talked about when he was discussing secretary clinton's e-mails, then they have got a reason to say that we can't have them. but if these were just notes of meetings conducted in the ordinary course of business and we would have a right to them, the fact that the prosecutor is also interested in the same documents doesn't mean congress loses any of its right to that
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document. >> have you been following the news that the washington post has reported that the fbi in march of 2016 had a memo about an e-mail that turns out to be fake document, fake information accusing loretta lynch, former attorney general of putting -- going to quash the fbi investigation of hillary clinton, that that memo was being debated and discussed in the fbi before the july fifth press conference? are you aware of that? >> i wasn't aware of its featuring in the run up to that press conference, but it sure does look like the russians trolled the fbi pretty good on this. >> that's disturbing. that seems like proof positive. i don't know if anyone is doubting at all that the russians were meddling in our election. i think everyone pretty much is affirmative on that one. but what about -- >> and because there's been so much talk about that, it also -- it wasn't just trolling the fbi. there's been a lot of leakage
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about this alleged memo and the alleged lynch to the democrat connection. they troelled the whole country. but they trolled the fbi with the fake memo. >> are you as disturbed as i am that the fbi had it in march and all they had to do is pickup ut phone and call the attorney general? they did a month after the press conference. he salt down with her privately. she said come talk to me publicly. come talk to my staff. they didn't call debbie wasser man schultz. they didn't call the other two people. they all said they didn't know each other meanwhile the fbi is debating the contents of it but they didn't bother to investigate it. this is our top domestic investigative agency. >> i'd want to hear their side of the case before i come to a final conclusion. it doesn't look like their finest hour. >> according to director comey former, he said he doesn't want to talk about it because it's classified. you wonder what in the world is
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this classified for? it looks instead he doesn't want everyone to see how the sausage is made and they didn't investigate it. they just talked about it. >> and the counter intelligence piece trying to hack the piece what kbot this to them was the part -- was classified. i mean, they got had by the russian intelligence operation. they presumably, once they realized that, were mounting some sort of counter intelligence inquiry to figure out how this had happened and that all might have been what they thought was classified. however, by the time that exchange with chairman grassley took place, it's a little late to be saying now this is classified national security information. that horse has kind of left the barn. >> well, i think one thing is certain. you're far more gracious to them tonight than i am. i agree you should wait for the facts. we ought to put the washington post over at the fbi and don't know what to do with the fbi if they don't bother to pickup the phone and do basic
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investigation. anyway, thank you very much for joining me, senator. >> good to be with you. take care, greta. >> thank you. now with me ned price, former senior director and spokesperson for president obama's national security council and former cia analyst. ned, this is not inconsequential if the fbi has a document where they say that, falsely, there was a document -- that there is an e-mail that apparently says falsely that the attorney general of the united states loretta lynch was going to put the ka-bash on the clinton investigation and they don't bother to investigate, instead they seem to act on it and give us sort of the reason for why comey goes rogue, in my term, and has a press conference without telling attorney general lynch. >> the fact of the matter this document could well have changed history. the washington post account makes the point some fbi were initially skeptical and with good reason. there is no intelligence service in the world that is better and more adept at the art of what's
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called denial and deception than russian intelligence services. this is their bread and butter i. this is what they do. there are other data points that should have led the fbi to question this. the source, who provided it, again, according to the washington post, had proven unreliable in the past. the conspiracy this put forward, involving george soros, hillary clinton and barack obama and loretta lynch. this is straight out of moscow and boggles the mind. >> what i find so deeply disturbing is they get this information in march of 2016 and the comey press conference is july fifth of 2016. and while they're debating whether the contents are true or not, whether they should bypass loretta lynch, whether loretta lynch is up to her eyeballs in some scandal which is not true, they don't bother to pickup the phone and start calling these people or interviewing them? this is our chief domestic investigative agency and instead they don't do the basics?
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>> i don't necessarily disagree with you. i think if you listen to the fbi and former director comey, he would point to the infamous tarmac meeting between attorney general lynch and bill clinton. they, too, have pointed to this memo as motivating the director in large part, at least, to do what he did. so, i think it is -- >> that's huge. that's where it could have an impact on history. >> that's right. >> and, of course, the other thing, too, frankly i imagine that president trump when he hears this news is you're going to say, see, i told you why he should be fired. i mean, because actually it gives ammunition. if the fbi director can't get his people to make a phone call to do a basic investigation on something so critical accusing the attorney general trying to quash a investigation. >> i think if you really think about this and you think about how this could have changed history, had jim comey not gone forward with the july fifth press conference, he then would
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have not been under the same pressure to go forward october 28 with the letter detailing the reopening of the investigation of secretary clinton and we could certainly have a different election result. president trump should be counting his blessings this came into the matter. >> and i must in all candor, i thought at the time as a lawyer, i thought it was wrong that he did that press conference, but i did say at the time as a citizen, i appreciated jim comey's transparency because i thought he was telling us how he arrived at his decision. i didn't know at the time, though, that he was perhaps acting on a memo that nobody had bothered to investigate. >> well, he left that -- >> now he calls it classified. now he calls it classified because boy, it makes him look bad. ted, thank you. coming up, the legal reports about a potentially fake russian document and the fbi. i will talk about it with alan dershowitz. is the gop bill dead in the senate? new numbers about how it would affect insurance and pessimistic comments from the top republicans in the u.s. senate. i have a live interview with a
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emeritus at the harvard school. am i wrong to be dead heated about the fbi and that they had this report and didn't investigate it, turns out to be phony to begin with? >> i think you're understating it if anything. first of all, it makes comey look worse and worse every day. the idea that he couldn't tell whether or not this was a fake report or a good report, and that he, while there is great doubt in his agency about the veracity of the report goes out and maybe changes the outcome of the election shows worse than incompetence. it really, really shows malpractice. so, the first thing we have to determine is is it true or is it false? can the dpib fib do that? the fbi may have a conflict of interest here. that's why, greta, you and i both talked about an independent commission outside of the fbi to look into things like this because it's absolutely critical. if any american participated in providing the fbi with false information, of course, that's a crime. so, that has to be looked into.
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and the other issue is, is comey justified in claiming classification? i think it's a phony claim. we basically know what it is, and he should declassify it and he shouldn't hide behind classification just to protect his own reputation. we've seen too much of that in history, people classifying documents not to preserve the national security, but to preserve their own reputation. >> all right. this is just an effort not to sway the american opinion, but this is an effort to sway the fbi and they look so gullible, number one. what really put me around the bend is they had this in march of 2016 and they just passed it around and debate it rather than do one on one investigation. call loretta lynch before the july a fifth press conference. they called her afterwards. if our top investigative domestic investigative agency is so -- i don't want to -- if they're so incompetent, they
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don't investigate it -- >> that's the word. these are keystone cops. but the worst thing is the director of the fbi who should never have said a word -- fbi directors should be seen, but not heard. and he goes on television and he does it in large part on the basis of a document that his own agents are telling him may not be authentic. that is as bad as it gets in terms of fbi malpractice. and i think these congressional committees have to look into this. but, again, this under lines the need for an independent commission to look into every aspect of the russia connection, influence on the election, sending phony materials, were any americans involved. some of these things may not be criminal so bob mueller may not have jurisdiction over this. do you really trust the fbi, the directorless fbi, do you really trust the fbi to tell us the
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truth about whether its former director engaged in malpractice or whether or not agents told him things that should have led him not to make any public statement? i don't trust the fbi on this issue. >> does the president need a private attorney? >> of course. everybody involved in this needs a private attorney, needs an attorney that is interested only in their welfare, only in their interest that puts the interest of the client, i hate to say this, in front of the interest of the united states. but that's the job of a lawyer. i've worked with the ksaowitz firm. i'm working with them on an unrelated matter involving international investigations. and they're a very good firm. he was trump's lawyer for many years, and i think maybe one of the reasons he was hired is he may have more influence over president trump in terms of telling him to act as he should. remember what he did, tweeting and talking helped him get the
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nomination, helped him get the election, but it doesn't serve him well if he is in any way a subject, target, object, person of interest, whatever you want to call it, in an ongoing criminal investigation. so, i hope and i think that kasowitz and his firm will be able to have some influence on the president and maybe make him be a little bit more discrete in what he says and does. look, this isn't a difficult and ongoing investigation. the american public is learning more every day. we don't know what we don't know and there is so much we don't know and we have a right to know. >> just like we didn't know on july 5 when comey gave the press conference, we didn't know about this other going on. alan, nice to see you. >> he knew. but he knew. he -- >> and he didn't investigate. that's the crazy thing. he didn't investigate. >> i know. there are so many people he could have called. >> this was an easy
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investigation. >> this is worse than incompetence. it's really malpractice. >> alan, nice to see you u. still to come, new numbers on the cost and the impact of the gop health care bill. do some republicans fear it is already dead in the senate? a key architect of that bill joins me next. are allergies holding you back? break through your allergies. try new flonase sensimist allergy relief instead of allergy pills. it's more complete allergy relief in a gentle mist experience you'll barely feel. using unique mistpro technology, new flonase sensist delivers a gentle mist to help block six key inflammatory substances that cause your symptoms. most allergy pills only block one. and six is greater than one. new flonase sensimist changes everything.
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with the vice-president making it 51. with me, michael burr jess, republican from texas, author of the health bill and a doctor. nice to see you, sir. >> thank you, greta, i appreciate the invitation. >> so, how do you sell this to the america people, and especially -- important decisions shouldn't be made on politics, but that reflects how the american people feel about it come midterm. how do you with the people who won't have insurance, how do you sell it to them? >> first off, the cbo's numbers, they do okay when predicting costs and expend duitures and taxes. this is an observation. they're less reliable predicting human behavior. they were not that great on the projections of part b medicare expansion that occurred during my first term here. they certainly weren't great on the projections on the affordable care act. look, they said 20 million
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people are going to be covered under obamacare, but there's 10 million people who say i'll pay the penalty or seek a waiver from the mandate. when i look at those numbers what i see is that without the individual mandate, if you're not forcing people to buy this crummy insurance, they're not going to buy it. but we have a larger obligation, and, look, honestly we ran in 2010, in 2014, in 2016 on this very issue, getting rid of what the obama administration had left us with in our health care system. and from a political standpoint, it's almost untenable not to do something. >> okay. but to do something -- but as part of the promise as i recall is that many of the republicans said that the republican plan, which i'm not sure there was a republican plan at the time -- is that the insurance would be cheaper and more insured. i'm not seeing more insured out of all this. i guess cheaper if you're getting less.
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what do we do about the 23 million and what about those promises? >> look, just another observation. this bill is very similar to the reconciliation bill that was passed in december of 2015 business both the house and the senate. now, president obama did veto that bill. and one of the observations after that veto was if the republicans keep the house and the senate and win the white house, this reconciliation bill is going to come back. i think that promise was kept. now, more of the replace elements were added the early part of this year and that's what slowed things down a little bit. but honestly, the whole notion that we were just going to leave the prior system that is not working, to leave it intact, that was never -- that was never an option. >> i got that. but the problem is even if you had those other promises, the one americans care about is they want access to health care and they want a reasonable price. if you have preexisting you can still get it. the problem as i see this bill, it's like more people are not going to have access to health
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care. the prices are going to go up, maybe over promised. that's what i worry about. i worry about the 23 million who won't have insurance. >> sure, and i actually don't think that number is accurate. and we can argue around that. but the patient state stability fund that was added into this bill that gives states a great deal more flexibility -- the governors with two round tables earlier this year, the governors came to us and said we have to have more flexibility in the programs that we're able to design in our states to take care of our people. the governors were -- one of their big criticisms was the affordable care act was done. you're going to reform health care in this country top to bottom. why were no governors included in that discussion? that is a valid observation. so, we did include them in the discussion. we tried to be sensitive to the things they were concerned about. look, no argument from me this government is too big and i would like to see things devolve to the states. i think the states can do a
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day 124 for president trump, here it is in 60 seconds. >> what the president had to say about his visit with the pope before he left for brussels. >> it was great. we had a fantastic meeting. >> back in washington the russia investigation front and center. >> what do you think about the president calling director comey a nut job? >> i don't agree with that. >> the request was denied. we are considering requisite subpoenas now. >> we are seeing a lot of docs. they seem to be directing us to could y collusion. >> i've never seen anything as hateful and abominable as this. >> republicans care as much
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about poor people as democrats. >> fiscally immoral budget. >> all leading up to the cost and impact of the health care bill. >> that is day 124, i day that ended with this headline from the washington post. reporting last summer the russians may have duped the fbi with a fake document about hillary clinton received in march. signs about the russian meddle in our election shed light on how the clinton investigation was handled or mishandled by then director james comey. the correspondent for the daily mail. david is senior politics writer for u.s. news and world report. and ashleyer parker is with the washington post. your thoughts about this report tonight? >> well, first of all, it's just another sort of devastating piece of news both for former director comey. >> what about the white house?
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>> i think it counters what the president has repeatedly said, which is that russia did not try too meddle in our elections. it's not necessarily president trump's fault in they did meddle in the election. but it's a narrative that he's trying to push back on and it clearly shows they did meddle. >> i think president trump, they would say two things. one is he doesn't contest the meddling. he says his campaign didn't have any collusion, he has no business deals, whatever. that is being investigated. but he would also say this is more evidence in support after the fact of why he hired -- fired, rather, not hired, fired director comey. >> right. does this mean the democrats don't like comey again? i'm going to try to keep for, against comey right now. two things are clear from the report. the russians concocted a fake e-mail to influence the election. >> there is a memo about it.
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no one has seen it. >> there is an attempt. my question is why it would have impacted comey's decision to have this press conference. why would a potential collusion -- why does that force his hand on that? i don't understand. it's not clear. it is dispute ed in an article by some officials that is the reason. >> here's the reason. he was doing something the fbi directors don't do. he was publicly coming out, without permission of the attorney general, hadn't even told her, loretta lynch, and he makes this pronouncement no reasonable person would prosecute and he made all these pronouncements about it. and lawyers -- >> why did the document force his hand? >> because in the document, if he believes that document, loretta lynch was up to her eyeballs in a scandal. but they never bothered to call her. >> hillary clinton did nothing wrong? >> no, no, he's the big hero. i can't let the attorney general do her job. i'm going to do it and this is what i'm saying. >> right. i think that's exactly what the point is.
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he had the press conference and didn't tell her about it because he couldn't be sure that she wouldn't try to interfere. he says what it seems to be alleging here. also if she had announced what he announced, that she wasn't being prosecuted, hillary rodham clinton wasn't being prosecuted and then this memo got out, it would look like she had only said that, you know -- >> he did come out in that press conference and said there are no charges. he basically -- >> loretta lynch cleared her then this memo came out saying -- >> but the thing is what's so bizarre is that he made that decision to go out himself. this is his boss. that's his boss. he works for loretta lynch and for the president. >> but doesn't it ever affect the october decision that he made when he found more e-mails due to the huma abedin -- >> he came out in july. >> that was exactly it.
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this was the original of many sins. once he did this, it set off a cascade effect that he couldn't have even predicted, he would announce and publicly narrate each additional step. >> i don't know, but to me, when i see the top domestic investigative agency gets a memo in march and doesn't do what the washington post, your colleagues did, pickup the phone and call people or investigate, instead they sit and chew on it and they reach a conclusion that it might be valid which turns out not to be true, doesn't that disturb you? >> it was striking reading the post article with the exception of loretta lynch, she received briefing. all these people who are allegedly huge players, the first person to catreach out to them. -- >> loretta lynch on the tarmac with bill clinton, she said i'll do a public one. i'll do one on the record. and then they didn't do that. >> who makes the decision within
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the fbi that a document is real or fake? >> you make a phone call. that's it, that's just it. >> comey did not. >> but the washington post did. >> thank god we have good media, right? >> washington post, one of the people in the memo heard about it, she got a call from the washington post a year later. >> i think it goes back to the original point, which is that donald trump -- it's still early enough in the day -- could start tweeting about this today, possibly tomorrow. that is the argument about this adminiration. he's incompetent. that's why i fired him. it will bolsterhe argument even though that's not why james comey got fired. >> james comey says it's classified. he didn't want to tell anything. that made the spin to cover up what he didn't do in the investigation. all right. if you need a crisis manager, it politico is reporting the president is looking for a
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the manchester bomber who murdered 22 people including children apparently had help from his family. both his father and younger brother have been arrested in libya. the father has since been released. the washington post said the brother was planning an attack back in tr ipo li. so far seven >> rested in tharrested in the city. shrapnel used in the attack. sky news reporting british police believe these pictures show the bomber in manchester shopping mall last week. richard engel is in manchester.
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richard, what is the late est there? >> if you look at the last image, one of the interesting things is the back pack he's wearing, there are still tags on that back pack, and that image apparently was taken just three days before the attack in a shopping center right next to the arena. so, he was either doing some shopping there, buying the back pack, the back pack that was later apparently filled with explosives and became the bomb, or he was conducting reconnaissance on the arena itself. there are a lot of investigations underway, but most of the focus right now is looking for the bomb maker. the bomb was very sophisticated and british and u.s. authorities both agree that somebody at the very least helped making the bomb or he might not have made the bomb at all and just was carrying it, wearing it and was a willing assassin, which would mean there is still potentially a bomb maker on the loose and that has -- it's one of the reasons why there is so much concern here. one of the reasons that the u.k.
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has deployed troops on the streets for the first time in a decade, and why this country has raised its terror alert to its highest level. >> all right. his brother and father have both been arrested in libya. his father has been released. i assume they released him because they cleared him. his brother, there are reports they might have been planning another attack. do you have any information on that? >> reporter: absolutely. so there's actually several family members. first, a 23-year-old brother was arrested in manchester. then this other brother, who had been missing, was picked up actually yesterday according to libyan officials. and the account of why he was picked up is all coming from libyan authorities. they say that he was under surveillance in libya, that he was in contact with abedi, the abedi who ultimately was the suicide bomber, and that this other brother, the one arrested in libya, the third brother, was plotting an attack in tripoli. but that is coming from libyan
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authorities today. >> all right. richard, you've been in so many war zones. tell me what it feels like walking the streets in manchester. >> unfortunately, you do see these things often, but i think what i'll remember this attack most for is the target. hitting an ariana grande concert, you know you're going to be hitting children. you know you're going to be hitting teens, pre-teens, and we keep talking about this was a suicide bombing. what a suicide bombing means is the bomber is still very much alive. that's the whole point of a suicide bomber, so that he can direct his explosive and plant it where he wants it. that means the bomber walked up to these children, saw them, knew the target, and had every opportunity to walk away and didn't and still pushed that button, the image of which we've now seen thanks to "the new york times." that's an incredibly cold blooded act, very different than
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russia investigation. politico reporting two people familiar with the situation telling them that the president is eyeing two former campaign aides, corey lewandowski and david bossie as his crisis managers. back with me. francesca. >> if you need more than one, that definitely says you probably have a large crisis on your hands, i would say. but the crisis may not be solved in this particular instance by those two people coming in and telling the president a lot of things that we already know. >> david? >> if corey lewandowski is coming back, that means bad news for reince priebus. riensz priebus is one of the ones that got rid of him during the campaign. they do not get along. if david bossie is coming back, that means a win for steve bannon. but i also would caution it's been four months into this presidency. we've talk the about upheavals. none of the top aides have left. they're all still there. >> ashley? >> donald trump just can't quit these people.
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corey was fired. bo bossy was pushed out. >> why was corey fired? i'm getting so confused at this point. >> one big thing is he clashed with jared and got on jared's bad side. but the point is even once they were fired and were quote, unquote, oat, they were still talking to the president. so they were never totally out, and he got them in the first place because there weren't many people to do the job of jumping on his campaign early on when he was a long shot. and he may get them again to help in the crisis because there's not that many people who want to come in and help with this. >> what are they actually going to do? what does a crisis manager do in this situation? >> priority to jared kushner, who is running the white house. it always has to be the family. you always have to be on the right side of jared and ivanka. >> what do you do? >> try to establish order, try to establish a legislative agenda. try to look another 100 days out and say what have we accomplished? there has been a lot of chaos around accomplishments. is tax reform going to get done? is health care going to get done? >> but are bossy and lewandowski
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going to solve that? >> no. >> a lot of those actions you talked about are actually the chief of staff's job, but i think one of the biggest problems that they're having is first of all the leaks, just the large amount of leaks, classified or not classified, coming on. so they could potentially root out the leakers in this administration and that would help. but again, going back to the things that would have to change, a lot of the behavior that's been a problem in the news is theme president's behavior. they're not going to be able to stop the president from telling the russians about highly classified information in the oval office potentially. so it gets back to the root of the problem. >> so much of this news on russia has caught the white house ann warunaware. one job of the crisis person is to figure out what is coming down the pipe and let thement kn -- the president now. >> tonight i have something to say for the report and i know you will like this. it got caught on camera. the mayo clinic and countless others. this boy sampson went from this,
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to this. and after months of medical care, i had the thrill to escort sampson back to his jungle village in liberia. i thought you might want to see what happened to me. unfortunately for me, it was ught on camera. some teen gls who live in the slums of west point wer playing in a kick balleae organized by samaritan's purse. i asked to play. >> woo! [ cheers and applause ] >> okay. that just set u.s.-liberian relations back about 300 years. thank you for watching.
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if you can't watch live, set your dvr. check out my facebook page for behind the scenes videos and he with also have more pictures from my trip to liberia over the weekend. "hardball" starts right now. chris is standing by. trump on the run. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. a late-breaking story tonight in "the new york times" sheds new light on the russian campaign to influence the 2016 election through the trump campaign. according to the times, quote, american spies collected information last summer revealing that senior russian intelligence and political officials were discussing how to exert influence over donald trump through his advisers. the conversation focused on paul manafort, the trump campaign chairman at the time, and mich


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