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there. that is our broadcast for this eventful tuesday night. thank you so much for being here with us and good night from nbc news headquarters in new york. >> i said mitch, get to work and get it done. >> and the trump dossier author has met with and cooperating with the fbi. >> does anyone really believe that story? >> while the treasury secretary's wife is apologizing for a shocking instagram rant. in those particular
positions, i don't want a poor person. does that make sense? >> when "all in" starts now. good evening from new york. tonight the president of the united states returns the friendly confines of the phoenix arizona convention center for another campaign rally in front of his most fervent supporters. it comes one week after the disaster us on press conference in which the president of the united states spoke. he tried belatedly to correct course calling for unity last night in a scripted speech on afghanistan delivered with the aid of a teleprompter but tonight in front of a crowd of fans, all bets are off. the rally is set to begin an hour from now. tensions are running high on the streets of phoenix where temperatures hit 107 degrees today. the supporters and opponents of the president demonstrating
outside the convention center where he is set to speak. despite street closures, even schools shut down today in advance of the president's visit which local officials had sought to avoid. the democratic mayor plead with the president not to come to phoenix this an op ed writing, america is hurting and it is hurting largely because trump has doused racial twengss gasoline, with his plan to visit phoenix on tuesday, the president may be looking to light a max. it now appears to be an all out civil war with the republican party with. the president on one side and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell on the other according to the "new york times." it has become a feud of resentiment and sometimes hostility. culminating in a phone qual that quickly devolved into a profane shouting match.
the front lines of that battle are right there in arizona, site of the president's rally. that's where jeff flake is up for re-election next year. and he has fromtd president to lash out on him on twitter. great to see that dr. kelli ward is running against flake jeff flake who is weak on borders, crime is that a nonfactor in senate. he's toxic. ward who lost against john mccain this 2016 said she would welcome the president's support. >> it was just amazing for the president, i mean, how many people get the president of the united states to tweet out their name. especially in a positive way. and also tweet out negatively against their opponent. i think the president and i see eye to eye on many issues so i'm working toward gaining that
support and endorsement. >> today mcconnell is that his , and his allies responded. ward wasted your. at a dollars for a town hall on chem trail could not spoercys. she has her head in the clouds with crazy ideas. she bizarrely blamed john mccain for isis. >> john mccain is directly responsible for the rise of isis. >> embarrassing behavior, dangerous ideas. no wonder republicans rejected her just one year ago. not conservative, just crazy ideas. >> senators flake and mccain are both staying away from the president's rally tonight but kelli ward who now leads jeff flake new poll will be in the audience.
the protests in full swing. what's happening where you are? >> reporter: we're in an area that's been roped off. you have a couple thousand protesters who continue to file in. the mayor here has said that essentially, trump has come here after fueling the fire of racial tension in the country. and he was concerned about what would take place here if phoenix. what we see on the ground right now is the police and law enforcement going to great length tosses keep the people that i'm with right now, these protesters, away from the trump supporters. particularly as they made their way into the convention center about a half-hour ago. there was a lot of shouting but not much beyond that.
the sphere when this lets out, the two groups come together and you have a more formidable situation. for the moment, it has been pretty peaceful. >> live from phoenix. the president's rally in phoenix is a homecoming for him. he held one of his rallies at the convention center laying out the neems would define his candidacy. >> i respect mexico. i don't blame the mexican government. i just wish our people were smart. they're really smart doing that. they're sending them to us. we're putting them in jails or letting them go free, which is worse. we have to secure our borders. we have to do something to take back our country. the silent majority is back. >> stopping near the southern border in yuma, arizona. the congressman has called on
the president to cancel the rally and that hand happened why. did you want the president to cancel the rally in. >> well, first of all, this is not a presidential visit. this is a campaign visit on his part. the previous visits to arizona, they talked about immigrants, people of color in such a way that it created the divisions across our country. and on the heels of charlottesville, coming to arizona, teasing people about whether or not he's going to pardon arpaio which he says they're not, it is irrelevant. i think the people protesting today in arizona are about that culmination of history. and also, the policies of this administration that are affecting many communities here. not only had a tinos here.
there are people that care about this. it is a demonstration and giving voice to many people who felt this administration is marginalizing them and further in a very profound way, dividing the country. >> you're a united states congressman. would you feel safe inside that auditorium tonight? >> no. i don't think i would. it's not that people -- people know what my opinions are about this president. i've called him unhinged in the past and i continue to do so. i question his capacity to lead, his moral compass. and the race baiting, it is really disruptive. no. i wouldn't feel safe. i would feel that i would be a target.
and today it is his, whatever raw red meat that he throws at this campaign he rally is not going to help that profound division that he has created in this country. so many of us asked him not to come. arizona has been through a lot and this is another to add to the bad history. the people are resolute. they're committed to peaceful, not violent protests and that's good. that's the voice we need to hear. that's the other face of arizona people are seeing across their screens. >> do you feel you are in a particularly divided place? we saw what happened in charlottesville and in boston, partly if response to the president's exploitation of that division.
you mentioned the president has flirted with a lawless figure, who has scape goated. do you see up close in arizona the kind of politics that created the phenomenon this president has been able to exploit? >> we've been heartened by what we've seen the last 15 years. arpaio, anti-immigration laws, anti-equality laws, tax break for the richest, we've seen it. we've been the petrie dish for the worst. arpaio was defeated in the polls in a predominantly republican party. and i think there was a a place
in arizona, we were among first and organizing really well to turn it around in arizona and in the process, provided a good example and a model for what was going on. >> michelle goldberg, the senior writer, both people join me now. kelli ward will be in the building. in the republican estimation of the will republican party, a ridiculous gad fly. there are fears president of the united states will essentially endorse her from the podium. this shows jeff flake's numbers. i don't understand what his strategy is, where he's gone out and personally criticized the president in such explicit terms.
he seems to be setting himself up. i think she's kind of a crazy person who was soundly beaten by managing mccain in a primary a year ago. but there are some more serious candidates. i think what flake is somewhat worried about, with the president's support but also worried about someone who doesn't believe in that. >> to me it is the case that it is, there's a sort of joe arpaio-donald trump wing that the vibrant and pro found and strong. that remains one of the biggest voting blocs. >> and they were not disenchanted with donald trump.
one of the truly sick things about this rally, and i think it is one of the more morally shocking things trump has done, he is basically going there of starting a rally. >> he spoke a week ago talking about what the violent, the violence, he goes to a place where there has been angry confrontations in the pastest doesn't usually hold rallies in the downtowns of major cities. he holds them in the places where he can stay away from protesters. he drops hints about pardoning this criminal figure. it is not just a slap in the face to immigrants in arizona.
it is a sign that he endorses lawlessness. >> the criminal contempt of a court order. >> it is so incendiary. and i think what he wants is to basically see his comments about the quote/unquote violent left that's the goal of the rally, to say i told you so and rallying his people around him even tighter. >> we should say, so far things are peaceful. law enforcement is doing a good job keeping people. it is a requested, it is that the president skoming a molotov cocktail to your town. >> this happened in chicago right before the illinois republican primary.
and i think president trump are understand that's this feeds into his narrative about law and order. if he can have crowds of protesters waving the mexican flag as happened in albuquerque. you have incidents of minor violence, it creates a sense that we will make the nation calm again. this is an area where the president understand that's elite opinion is different. there's a new poll out in virginia related to the governor's race showing, only about 40% of people say they blame just the white supremacists in charlottesville. about the same number believe it is both sides like the president does and a handsful blame the counterprotesters. >> this idea of back lash, my colleague was talking about the support for trump went up after
the charlottesville. it extends past trump. this is what's happening in alabama. another person who has, he is a bigot, a conspiracy theorist, a birther, he is up by 20 points in a primary in which donald trump has endorsed the other guy. >> but it doesn't matter because there's a certain bloc think thats roy moore is right. >> and i think you have a complete breakdown of a connection between the elite of the republican party and the base of the republican party. the elite is used to manipulating, but then ignoring had when it suits them. >> which is why between mcconnell and trump.
the details are shocking. they're cursing at each other on the phone. they both have good arguments. they're both right in terms of what they're doing. >> and i think it is ongoing. the trump magic doesn't always translate very well. john mccain beat a far right challenger six years earlier. roy moore has lost a number of primaries. so trump has this person past allows him to get away with this. >> to me, one of the canaries in the coal mine. >> it is a very different place than virginia.
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germophobe. believe me. >> today there was public testimony that further discredited the phony dosier. >> the dossier that was largely the basis of this was largely discredited. >> dossier is a fancy fresh word for a load of junk. this is a report from the internet. not from the intelligence community. 35 pages of misspellings. >> we learned about the connections to various russian figures such as the meeting last june with staffers on one side and a russian lobbyist on the other. it's not that the dossier gets less plausible. clearly authorities seem to think it merits deeper look. and the filibuster now has a list of sources. the fbi double agent joins me on what investigators might do with that list of sources. are you surprised to hear that
steele has turned things over to the fbi? >> no, i'm not. the big question is the context of the dossier. so you're right. on one side we have this legal question. the other is very much an intelligence question. to sort of win the intelligence game, you don't have to hit a legal standard. you just played clips from trump surrogates, kellyanne conway and the like, denying the dossier. for example in the dossier they talk about this person with a libel suit against buzz feed. whether he is a front for russian are cyber he intelligence, if the russians were actually using him, by naming him, the russians will never use him again. from an intelligence perspective, we have won. i know it is confusing but that's the world we're looking at. that's why this evidence and intelligence, they don't
necessarily always go together cleanly. >> this is a key point. the dossier is a document that i first encountered characterizations of and then i read it. it seems to me to be a fairly implausible yarn. the thesis of the dossier speak the russians have cultivated donald trump as essentially an agent, witting or unwitting, for a longered the of time, using entanglement. it seems less implausible now based on what we know. >> what we've learned is lining it up to the steele dossier. you're right. there's something here to the russian question at large. there's the relevant question, is there a crime and can we prove it occurred?
counter intelligence, the got he will of will counter intelligence is to neutralize. that doesn't mean you'll to go trial and have a conviction. >> i've heard that before. the problem is, it sounds to me like that's essentially an apology for nonsense and rumors. we don't really have the standards. how do you, i guess, how do you distinguish that from ruler mongering? >> so we've had this closed door meeting. there is this libel suit. it will be very interesting to see who hired they will. i think it can be public here. it is the firm that hired steele to start looking into this through only significance
research, for primary points and then it passed people want it to win. he talked to the judiciary community for nine hours, okay? >> mr. simpson testified today before the senate judiciary committee. he sat for over nine hours of questions before the judiciary committee staff. he answered dozen if not hundreds of questions. >> so what is clear to me based on that is, whatever is happening, whatever they're finding out, it is playing some kind of central role. >> it is clearly one of the first documents that came out that people gravitated toward to say there is something tangible. something real here that shows
the nefls between trump and russia. it has certainly been around for quite some time. what he said to congress, that's a very interesting question. >> all right. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. ahead, a ceo who condemned president trump after this charlottesville tirade now faces hateful messages. he is here to respond.
was don't leave and add troops. one of the ways national security adviser h.r. mcmaster tried on persuade trump to recommit was by convincing him that afghanistan was not a hopeless place. he prenlth trump with a black and white snap shot of afghan women in mini skirts walking through kabul to show that western norms had existed there before and could return. presumably this 1972 photograph showed the president a picture of women in the mini skirts in the good old days of kabul. here's the thing. getting this president to escalate the military presence is basically like pushing on an open door. that may not seem true in the first base because it's true that president trump criticized the war in afghanistan repeatedly and the one in iraq as well. but the electorate should never have gotten the idea that a trump presidency would mark new
trajectory of american noninterventionism. >> with isis, you kill they will at the head. you take the oil. >> i would bomb the [ bleep ] out of them. i would just bomb those suckers. that's right. i i would blow up the pipes. the refine resists. i would blow up every inch. >> i'm going to bomb the [ bleep ] out of they will. i don't care. now seven months into his presidency, it's clear that is the trump administration we got. he has escalated american forces in all theaters of war. under trump, the united states has dropped about 20,650 bombs through july 31st, or 80% the number dropped under obama for the entire at this of 2016. in iraq and syria, at least 484 civilians have been unintentionally killed by
coalition strikes, according to the united states central command. and in afghanistan, trump's tolerance for killing civilians has led to 67% more civilian casualties in his first six months than the first half of 2016, according to the united nations. the trump administration has eased rules on drone strikes in places like yemen and somalia. as the president said last night, the americans are war weary after 16 straight years of war. the deliverance from that state of affairs will come from someone other than the commander in chief. hat. nope. no way. nada. really? dish issues? throw it all in. new cascade platinum powers through... even burnt-on gravy. nice. cascade.
as many distance themselves from donald trump last week, the ceo gandi, the founder of nonstick coatings for cook wear titled, i tried on give trump a chance. but after charlottesville, it's over. saying he will not defend trump even if the dow hits 50,000, unemployment grows by 50%. some issues tran scends economics and i will not in good conscience support a president who seems the hate americans other don't look like him. one wrote, you're angry for having been born with 50% negro blood in your veins. embrace your heritage, quit mouthing off. >> this is for raven.
i read an article on cnbc. he tried on give trump a chance but after charlottesville, he just can't do it. well then get your [ bleep ] garbage and go back to india and sell it over there. don't tell us about donald trump. don't tell us about this country. i can assure you you won't tell us which statues stand and which statues go. go back to where the pigs live in i understand i can't and go clean up your own mess. you're -- >> he joins us now from chicago, close to where he grew up. why did you play that for folks? >> well, it came in literally at a work lunch. and it came into one of my sales guys who took me aside and played it. i was so stunned that my clients saw something was up.
he have one was so agog, i thought, i think this might be a good american moment to put it out there. i can't believe the response. >> what has been the response? >> from the community it's pen unequivocally positive. i don't read the quotes at some of the articles from the nut jobs like that lady. but i think the fact of the matter is, i was born in this country. i was raised in this country. i've built a business in this country. i've paid millions in taxes in this country. i'm raising my two kids in this country. i love this country. the fact of the matter is i am just as american as anyone else. i think that's not even up for debate. and you can tell i'm a little fired up here. even hearing that message gets my blood boiling. it is very important for no communicate that i am very unequivocal that there's no way that nut job lady is representative of all trump voters. i have a tremendous amount of friends who are conservative republicans, who are very good
people. i just think that i am just, i was a little angry about the dog whistle that has been out there the last year. >> that's a question, right? i would agree with you, in a statistical sense. that's not representative of trump voters who would call and leave a message like that. but also the back lash to that article, a lot of it centered on your ethnicity. it was front and center in the response that you got. >> absolutely. "newsweek" figured out that lady was the same lady who left a voicemail for the guy who wrote trump's book, the art of the deal. i think his name is tony schwartz. if you listen to that message and to mine, mine is far worse. she goes on indian this and nikki haley this. it just boils my blood that someone thinks because i look like the way do i and my last name is gandy, that i'm not an american.
i'm the ceo of a company. my race is not an issue at all in my day to day life but message demonstrates there are a lot of people in this country, these insidious scum bags, who are filled with hate. and i wanted to shine a light on the fact i could be a victim also. >> you used the word insidious scum bags. do you think the way the president described charlottesville, is aiding comfort to those folks? >> i was pretty darn insulted at the response. and honestly, if he would have left it at the statement on monday, i would have said, you know what? it took 48 hours and i can tweet all i want about it but i'm going to believe you at your word what made me go nonlinear was the press conference on tuesday when i saw him go off the cuff. i wrote, when someone tells you who they are, believe them the
first time. i felt like i saw who this president was. >> believe them the first time. there's a process that happens with this president he that he does things that violate social taboos. just basic ones about not making fun of people with different abilities. and then people forget it. i guess the question is, what is the conversation with people in the business community about that process? are those folks going to engage in the forgetting again this time? >> it is a conversation that i have all the time with peers of mine that are ceos and many other people. and i truly hope that doesn't happen. because time after time, like you said in 2016, it was, he's done, he's done, he's done and then wins again. i want to speak right now to all of the good moderates. all the good moderate who's voted for mr. trump because you're republican or because you didn't take what he said seriously.
and look at what happened. steve bannon is out last friday. and i really think that i wanted to inspire people. if you feel that you made a good choice, this president, when he sees people speak out, he'll respond to it. we can speak out and change things. >> all right. thank you for joining me. ahead, the widespread back lash after the treasury secretary's wife took this picture on the way to see some gold. and thing one, thing would after the break. it's time for the biggest sale of the
that was on twitter to a patriots fan group and a patriots spokesperson confirmed it saying the ring mirrored what patriots players and staff received following the super bowl victory. that was reportedly the largest super bowl ring ever created with 283 diamonds. even more than the previous super bowl ring. given the value of the ring, trump will need to include it on his financial disclosure next year. but it also means he now has something in common with vladimir putin. that's thing two in 60 seconds.
pulled his hand back. he said it would be in the best interests if you meant to give ring as a present. now 12 years later, robert craft hopes he can cut a deal with putin. >> i was willing to have one made with his name on it. maybe we'll have the new president bring it to him when he connects with him. i do have an emotional attachment to that ring. and maybe, who knows? maybe if we win sunday, i can trade a new one with him one made up in the good spirit of friendship. >> and president trump could be the courier. >> right.
controversy sparked by this photo she posted yesterday on insta-bam showing off them stepping off a government plane to see the gold at ft. knox. a great day trip to kentucky. tomford subbies, rock stud heels. there was some retook this post. glad to see we could pay for your little getaway. she was seen here, she responded with a comment worthy of the late queen of france. adorable. do you think the u.s. government paid for our honeymoon or personal travel? have you given more to the economy than me than me and my h i'm pretty sure we paid more taxes towards or day trip than you did. pretty sure the amount we
sacrifice per year is more you would be able to sacrifice. you're adorably out of touch. thanks for the nasty comment. your kids look cute. your life looks cute. after the comments went viral linton deleted the cost. and today the mnuchins are reimbursing the government for their travel. they've statement for her sensitive remarks. next were the president's base and his gilded cabinet. right after this break.
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when i read this and saw them getting off of the government plane on a government trip and she had tagged all of those brands, my first thought was well isn't it nice that, you know, all of us, the taxpayers can pay for them to go on this trip no matter where it is and then she can afford to buy anything that she wants and brag about it. the bragging was the amazing part to me. >> that's jennie miller whose comment on an instagram post of louise linton prompted a
condescending rant by linton. joining me now were senior editor of the daily beast, whose piece today. because of the internet it's something like too good to be true or too bad to be true and i think people post fake quotes all of the time. i assumed this was a send up of an out of touch person. i could not believe it was real. >> i think we're in to the end of satire. there's nothing else you can do to satirize what a clueless rich lady would do. this isn't the first time she's done a cartoonish rich lady thing. last year she published a memoir about her gap year in africa in 1989 which was revealed to be fake and so it had to be pulled from the show. >> and she had to apologize it. >> they called her angel air and
she was in a war torn region. there were all of these things that were not true at all. and she apologized and had to pull it off of the shelves. it was a viral moment. it's funny to me that she didn't learn her lesson. this is viral in the exact same way as that first viral moment for her. >> there's something about that photo and -- it gets to the central pa paradox, the billiona in the gilded apartment as tribune of the working people. he'll be in phoenix tonight with people who make $30,000 a year. and it seems to square to them. and people who are joutd of that emotional connection find a hard time -- >> that's because you're a coastal elite unlike mnuchin and linton. look, yes, i think if there were more people who would see mnuchin and linton -- i say mnuchin too because this guy was known as the foreclosure king.
and under a more rigorous regime, a fairly rigorous regime in the country he would have been prosecuted for what he did at one west. that's just the bottom line. and i don't know if trump voters see that. deep into the administration a lot of people don't go around knowing the treasury secretary in any way. donald trump, part of his appeal has been that the republican party has said for a long time if you're rich, you are moral. if you're poor, there's something culturally wrong with you. when donald trump got up there and we would have these conversations wurg the primary, he had a certain righteousness because of his wealth. >> but that's true, right, but there's also the case that like if this was a clinton person -- >> right. >> who posted that, if an obama daughter posted that -- >> imagine in malia was wearing this scarf and posted something
and responded to a mother of three from oregon in a really condescending way. >> of course, your life looks cute. >> i could not imagine the ka conniption that would happen. >> michelle obama's trip to paris was a three-year scandal and the secret service is bankrupt from all of the trips that donald trump has taken. >> if you're going do something that would upset populous people, do it way harder and escape the gravitational pull. >> there's a mean girl aspect to that post. >> especially for an actress. >> but there's something about it that that is the mode of the trump -- the mode of the trump -- >> in my piece told i compared her to the real housewife and then i realized she was worse than a real housewife because real housewives have had to
reckon with the racism they faced 0en the show and they've eve been immediately -- >> it's about cultural signifiers. the thing that people like about donald trump, it's not that she understands the working class, it's that he is not sophisticated in his ideas. and the way that she's responding on that instagram is like what a high school girl who was not a nice high school girl -- >> she's 36 years old. she's older than me. she's 36. >> also to me, the core thing here is shamelessness. like there's something liberating about being shameless and there's liberating about being a person who is supposed to be some sort of model or the apex american society that makes you feel like it's unburdening. like if everyone acting shamelessly i don't have to feel guilty about it. >> or the rules that he's i guess ignoring are the rules
that are keeping me down. and if he can ignore them, so will i and i will him. >> the breaking news we covering donald trump let's it fly in arizona. he reargues his response to charlottesville. he launch as huge knew attack on the media some by name and in the next sentence insists he loves all the people of our country. he also said there weren't as many protestors outside as promised. and about the business of the presidency when he heads back to washington there is a problem. "the new york times" reporting tonight the president trump and his majority leader aren't talking. and for now there is no trump legislation moving. we will cover it all as the 11th hour gets under way. busy night here and good evening once again from the nbc news headquarters in new york. day 215 of the trump administration and it wraps up