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that will wrap up this hour of nbc live. >> it is 2:00 p.m. here in the east. 11:00 a.m. out west in reno where any minute now the president is scheduled to address the national convention of the american lel legion. we'll bring you that event live once it happens. >> and what can we expect when the president takes the stage today. the white house says they will tell members it is time to heal the wounds that divided us and to seek a new unity based on the common values that divide us. but will he stoic that script.
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for 77 minutes, a defiant trump last night lashed out at everyone and everything. took shots at two of arizona's republican senators and the senate majority leader, and accused the dishonest media of covering him unfairly. >> it's time to expose the crooked media deceptions, and to challenge the media for their role in making divisions. for the most part, honestly, these are really, really dishonest people. the republicans, and we have some great senators, but we are one vote away from repealing it. and nobody wants me to talk about your other senator, whose weak on borders, weak on crime.
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>> all red meat for trump supporters. >> unfortunately last night, the president gave a speech that did continue to divide this country. >> what we saw on -- in arizona, was an echo of what we saw at the new york press conference. the combative side. >> i think his presidency is a theater of revenge and rage against enemies. that is what he is delivering. >> tonight he saluted a racist sheriff who is a convicted criminal and trashed a war hero with brain cancer. >> just last hour, workers in charlottesville covered two statues. the statue of robert e. lee was
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first draped in black. followed by the statue of stonewall jackson. we are awaiting the president's remarks in reno and let's start with garrett hake who is out there in reno. the white house released an excerpt of what he is suspecting to say. calling for unity, healing the wounds that divide us. what are the chances he will stick to the script? >> the conditions are right for donald trump to stay on message here today as opposed to last night. there is not an enormous amount of protestors here, a few dozen to a few hunt. he is talking to an older audience. this is a friendly crowd, but not a rally crowd, not a rally atmosphere, and his favorite punching bag, the media, we won't be in the room.
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he may be less tempted to go off on a tangent by not staying focused with the deliver rabbles. he has something to show for his effort, but that being said the president has been up this morning on twitter, picking where he left off last night attacking the media for how we covered his response, jeff flake, dean heller as well. any one of those things could catch his fancy, too. >> and john ralston is the editor at the nevada independent. this is a different crowd than what he had last night. they counted his folks as supporters during the campaign, what are you expecting and how will he be received? >> i think he will be well
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recieved in that hall. does he stake in the time of for healing script that will be in his teleprompter. it is ironic and lewd chris >> i'm going to interrupt you, the president has just taken the podium. >> thank you, commander schmidt for that introduction and your defoegs to our counvotion to ou. i want to shank all of our guests here today. va secretary david chilken, and former secretary of defense bob
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gates. where is bob gates? he has been so great. he started off saying bad things about me, now he said great things and now i like him. thank you, bob. it is a great honor to be back here with all of my friends at the american legion. and your national convention. i want to thank governor sandoval for here. dean heller is here somewhere. i want to thank dean heller for being here. the american he will john embodies the statement of patriotism. it is a true strength of source and the best hope for our future, you love our country, you cherish our values, and you definitely defend our great american flag, no doubt about that.
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above all else, you believe in america just like america believes in you. [ cheers and applause ] today, we are here to honor you for the sacrifices that you have made to defend our nation and preserve our way of life. but we're also here for another reason. we're here to hold you up as an example of strength, courage, and resolve that our country will need to overcome the many challenges that we face. we're here to draw inspiration from you as we seek to renew the bonds of loyalty that bind us together as one people and one nation. those that wear the nation's uniform come from all different backgrounds and from every single walk of life.
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but they are part of one team with one mission in mind. most importantly, they're all americans. they fight together, they sacrifice together to defend our magnificent home, thank you. now our nation must follow the same work ethic, the same devotion to a greater cause. here with us today are veterans that have fought in every major military engagement dating all of the way back to world war two. . you have endured bitter winters,
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treacherous jungling, deserts, and stormy waters. you left your families, charges into danger, faced down your enmys and bore the scars and bounds of war. each of you took at oes to support and defend the constitution. with that oath you pledged your honor and your very lives for our great nation. every veteran here today is part of a long, unbroken chain of american heros. we salute your service, the american legion, not only remembers history, but you helped keep history alive. you teach young americans to
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have pride in our history so they will have confidence in our future. history and culture is so important. for generations now the american he wiamerican legion has taught the principals of patriotism. you encourage the observation of patriotic holidays. you stress the need tone force our laying including our immigration laws. you teach the tonights of citizenship and the importance of the plej of-- pledge of
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allegiance. and you do it for god and country. that is why we're here today, for america and for god. but to fulfill our patriotic duties, we must take care of our great veterans. one year ago at this gathering, and i remember so many of you so well, i promised you i would make it my priority to deliver veterans the care they so richly deser deserve. now you a true reformer in
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secreta secretary. now secretary chilton has done an incredible job. he is working night and day to implement the ten point reform plan that i discussed with you last year. already we have made incredible progress. we are pub liching wait times online for every stilt. we have delivered same dave energy health mental services for every va medical center. we opened the promised white house va hotline. that is a big deal. that is a big deal. we dramatically signaled for
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legislation that will continue the very important choice program they spoke to you about last year. and i want to thank the american he wiamerican legion for your help in getting this done. you have been so helpful, thank you very much. something that they have been trying to pass for 40 years. and we passed, va accountability legislation. so have somebody that works at the va is bad to the people of the va, disrespectful, not treating our fellow patriots well, we look at them and we say you're fired.
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>> we want people to do a great job. that was a hard piece of legislation to get passed. it has been worked on for so long, we got it done and we're very proud of that. last week i also signed the harry w. comerie veteraned administration act. this legislation bears the name of one of the first members of the legion. your past commander. the man who wrote the original draft of the first landmark g.i. bill in 1944. and now under this legislation, veterans can use their g.i. benefits at any point in their
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lifetime. some difference. in just a few moments, right here on this stage, i will sign another historic bill that the american legion helped us deliver the frveterans modernization act. and you all know what that means. no longer will they be kept for getting an answer to their appeals. they will receive timely updates and they will get decisions much more quickly and in a fraction of the time. and the region, i have to say pressed so hard for that legislation.
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they really helped. they have a lot of power, and they use it well. when i spoke to you last year, i promised we would build up our military and that is exactly what we have done. we have worked with congress to achieve a dramatic increase in defense spending this year. we are committed to expanding and improving a state of the art missile defense system to shoot down missiles in flight. and we're getting better and better and better at it. it's actually incredible what is taking place. and we will develop new surveillance and long-range strike capabilities to keep our enmys from launching them in the first laplace. in every foreign policy decision -- thank you.
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in every foreign policy decision, we're making clear that we will always put the safety and security of our citizens first. that is why early this week i announced a new strategy in afghanistan and south asia. we will pursue an honorable and enduring outcome in afghanistan, worthy of the tremendous sacrifice our troops already made. we will give our men and women in uniform the tools they need and the trust they have earned to fight and to win. and we have made, as you have been reading and seeing, tremendous progress in the fight against terrorism. just over a month ago, in iraq, mosul was lib raerated from the
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rule of isis. they're funding, they're networks, and the false allure of their ideology and i will tell you, we're going to start working very hard on the internet. they're using the internet at a level they should not be allowed to use the internet. we're going to work under my administration very hard to that doesn't happen. >> no longer are we using our military to build democracies, instead we're forming a coalition of nations that share the aim of stamping out extremism. defeating terrorism, and pursuing stability, prosperity, and peace. through the generations america has always prevailed. not by military might alone, but also by the strength of our spirit. and we have in this country,
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today, such spirit. i see it when i meet the people back stage, they're so proud once again. i must say much more proud than they were last year at this time. they are feeling very good about our country. we have the will to endure and overcome. this is now the challenge of our times. we must ask ourselves who we are, what we stand for, and what, together, we can achieve. if american patriots could secure our independence, carve out a home in the wilderness, and free millions from tyranny and oppression around the room, that same spirit of strength courage and resolve can help us create a better future for our people today.
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a future like even our people have never had before in this great country. that's what we're aiming for. we don't have to be content with a dilapidated road system, crumbling buildings, or rusted out factories. we can build gleaming new highways, state of the art manufacturing, and modern works of wonder and we can do it with american workers and american iron, aluminum, and steel. question do we can do it ourselves. we do not have to september the economic decay of once thriving hubs of industry where they leave and let all of those jobs go and the companies move to other countries. we have stopped that flow and
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companies are now coming back into the united states and i'm so proud of that. we can bring new jobs to detroit, baltimore, and help new companies dream, thrive, and prosper. we do not need to limit the potential of our children by trapping them in failing government schools. every child should have the chance to explore their talents, pursue their passions, and know the joy of achieving their ambitions. we will never tolerate crime in our cities. blo bloodshed in our communities, or acts of hatred or terrorism against our citizens. we will not stand for it. we will always support our great
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law enforcement personnel. these are great people. build bridges of trust and cooperation and keep our families safe. it is time to heal the wounds that divide us and seek a new unity based on the common values that unite us. we're one people with one home and one great flag. we are not defined by the color of our skin. the figure on our paycheck, or the party of our politics. but are defined by our shared humanity, by our citizenship, this great nation, and by the love that fills our hearts.
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i know i speak for all of you when i say our hearts beat for america. our souls fill with pride every time we hear the national anthem. this is the spirit we need to overcome our challenges, to pursue or common destiny, and to achieve a brighter future for our people. we will win, watch, we will win. >> this is a future we can build together if we have the courage to act, the strength to endure
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with true effect for our fellow citizens. i want to close with the story of a hero that defines their spirit of service and sacrifice. a vietnam veteran who threw himself on top of a grenade to protect his fellow comrades. he went on to serve in the national guard. he is now a retired captain and owned a funeral home that memorializes our heros. he has works sitirelessly to brg another post, so those that return from com bat have a place to go that supports them. some of you know this incredible
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patriot. the metal of honor recipient donald e. ballard. he has to say a word, right? this wasn't in the planning, do i have your approval, come on,
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get up here. >> there is no greater love than someone that loves this country. and i believe we have elected the right lead toer to lead us to drain the swamp. >> i'm with you. >> i was with you before it was elected. >> that was risky, it could have ruined the whole day, if he said the opposite i could have been in trouble. that was very risky, i didn't know what would happen. >> don, on behalf of the people of the united states welcome i want to thank you for your courageous service. you inspire us all. today we are reminded that the greatness of our nation. is found in our people like don. as long as we have faith in each other, and confidence in our values, then there is no
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challenge too great for us to concquer conquer. we are people who love. we are people with heart. we are people who adore our country which is like no other, the united states of america. we have no division too deep for us to heal. and there is no enemy too strong for us to overcome. because in america, we never lose faith. we never forget who we are, and we never stop striving for a better future. together we cannot fail, we will not fail, we will make america
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great again. greater than ever before, i promise. so i want to thank you to the american legion. you talk of greatness. the american legion is greatness. thank you to everyone in the room, to our great, great veterans. may god bless you and may god bless the united states of america. thank you very much, my honor. thank you. thank you. >> the president sticking to prompter right there, greating the american he will john, talking about veteran's issues, jobs, recognizing a medal of honor winner, and talking about unity as he was expected to do
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saying we are not defined by the color of our skin or the party of our politics. it is a notably different donald trump that we are seeing today than we saw 24 hours ago in phoenix. let's listen as he signs this veteran's appeal improvement and modernization act right now. >> the president receiving a very warm welcome at the american legion there. signing an act that will reform the process by which veterans can repeal claims for disability
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benefits. a very different donald trump from what we saw last night in phoenix. >> i hit them with everything. i got the white supremacists, the neo-nazis, it should have been sooner they're saying. >> was sheriff joe convicted for doing his job? he should have had a jury, but i'll make a predix, i think he will be just fine, okay? err we're building a wall on the tour board that is absolutely necessary. we'll close down the government if we have to to rebuild that wall. >> to reset us after that backlash is a national political
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reporter, john ralston, editor. and here with me in the news room, msnbc national political k correspondent steve cornacki. >> it is really something to see the different donald trump when he has a teleprompter on, just adds a few adjectives once in awhile. talking about unity, what's in our hearts, and our shared humanity. last night he was spewing all of this infect tivective in phoeni.
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>> he recognized an medal of honor winner, invited him to come speak. i'm reminded of him last night in john mccain's home state, john mccain an american war hero, he is going through very serious cancer treatments, and he didn't say his name, but he went after john mccain yesterday. >> and he really worked up the crowd into an antimechanic cane lather. the same republican win in arkansas that loves trump and dislikes mccain and flake. he showed last night he can really manipulate the emotions. >> i was talking to the gop chair for the party down in arizona yesterday and i asked him about donald trump and
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senators flake and mccain, and how they felt about him going some more. and i found it notable the g.o.p. chair there said we don't take sides. >> i think he recognizes and we're getting polls evidence of this, a poll came out to say we don't have a small sample size. of course kelliway wariwary wai votes last year. donald trump did particularly twlel in the republican primary last year. the republican establishment and a state like arizona, they're still dealing now with some that the republican establishment had to deal with in 2016.
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they're own voters and rank and file may not be a flock of sheep they can point in the right direction. that is something that leaders of the party have to deal with themselves. >> talk to me about the whiplash, we saw one donald trump last night, another one today, what does the country take away from this. will he expand his base or continue to try to drill down on those that already supported him? >> i think we're seeing him know his audience and play to it. i think what we saw yesterday had to do a lot with sort of a backlash that the president usually steels when she forced to do or say something, or forced to admit a mistake. he thought that pulling out was the best thing, but wednesday he got in office, he realizes he
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had to do something difference. his advisors told him to steer clear of talking about jeff flake, john mccain, or joe arpaio. so he did that exact thing. he was riled up, and he did that exact thing. now he is back speaking to veterans, a more somber event, and someone probably told him you may want to talk about unity a little today in light of the divisive comments you made last night. you are seeing a back and forth whiplash. >> john ryan had a weekly press conference today. he said tax reform is one of the biggest achievements we hope to achieve and we're confident about getting it done. the president is going after mitch mcconnell. how does he get tax reform done when he can't get health care
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done or stay on script or not attack his own party. >> we have dean heller up here who gave a speech in las vegas they said tax reform will get done before december 24th. anyone that read that story in the new york times. i think they're rip wants to have some confidence. you have flake and heller in trouble. they want to come out with something, but there is no evidence based on what happened that they can get anything done. >> jennifer reuben joining us now. when you look at this and the president going after jeff flake
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is this a gift to the democratic party. are they in a good position to receive it and run with it? >> they're certainly being handed a gift. you want to have an opponent that is divisive, who is conflicted. someone that is unpopular. they will have a lot going for them including the first midterm curse. but the question is, as you afraid it, can they capital on it, do they have wins candidates on the list? if dean heller is primary, capture that scene. i think there is a love concern
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on the democratic side they have very good house candidates. but on the senate side, do they have candidates that can capitalize on all of these es staps and become very contestable next year? not year yet. >> are the democrats in a position position to potentially take over a senate seat. >> the same poll that was mentioned rllier did the te-- s has not announced her candidacy yet, and kelly ward but i think democrats would prefer to run against them rather than jeff
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make. there is a candidate right now that represents the more progressi progressive, the more bernie sanders like wing, she is more of a hillary clinton school of democrat. >> more notable is that mitch mcconnell is out with attack adds against kelly war sd sayin she has crazy ideas. >> that flake case is interesting, too. i think flake is an example of a bind that a lot of republicans are in when it comes to trump and moments like this. they worried about donald trump coming in there, worrying about things i can do to get closer to trump or trump's voters, but look at the flip side.
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jeff flake is in danger. he is the only incumbent up in 2018 with a negative rating in all voters in his state. a lot of republicans see it as d disloyalty to trump. others say he is too loyal. that is tough for any poll decision to be in. >> 2018 not far away, when the senate comes back for the recess, it's not only tax reform, they have the pressing manner of the debt ceiling they have to get done and if this country's government shuts down. the president last night saying he would be willing to shut down the government if he didn't get funding for that border wall. in many the republican party oppose that as well as part of that package.
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we're going to wait and see what happens, a lot to come around the corner. daniel wiki, the boston harold's kimberly atkinson, and jennifer reuben, thank you all for coming and debriefing that speech with me. next up, a glimpse of "what went wrong" in 2016. delicious... fresh fruit.
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back up you creep, "morning joe" got an exclusive look at "what happened." clinton talks about how she really felt on the campaign trail and what was going through her mind during that infamous debate. >> it was incredibly uncomfortable. he was literally breathing down my neck. my skin crawled. it was one of those moments you wish you could hit pause and ask everyone watching "well, what
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would you do?" do you stay calm, keep smiling and going on like he wasn't repeatedly invading your space, or do you turn and lowly say back up you creep, i know you love to intimidate women, but you can't intimidate me. so back up. >> she also talked about who is to blame for her loss. >> every day that i was a candidate i knew people were counting on me and i could not bear the idea of letting them down but i did. i could not get the job done and i will have to live with that the rest of my life. >> how did clinton lose after all of the polls showed her winning. mark murray recently looked add
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how the 12 days reformed the race. before we get to your reporting, and it is really great, the tone of clinton in that book is different from what we're used to. >> very honest an candid. when you're no longer a candidate, it can be easier to be introspective. she said it was comey or russia or other things, but so far, and of course we still have to see what else is in the book, but certainly very introspective clip ton right there, and she was rethinking whether or not she should have turned around to told donald trump to back off d during that debate, would that have changed anything? >> i don't think it would have
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been a good move. i was surprised to see her second guessing. the debates were uncontroversial high points for hillary. she always came out leading in the polls after the debates. i think that kind of behavior would have backfired on her which i think is the point that she is making in this chapter. i was talking to a former clinton official is from a chapter on sexism, being a woman, and it's sort of about how she has to play by the rules when she is running against someone who doesn't have to. >> mark, you really got into how this race changed so dramatically in the last 12 days of the race. you talked to dozens of campaign officials, what did you learn? >> let me walk you through all of this. >> i'm glad this is you, not me. what turned out the race was
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more unstable than we thought. usually due to the media coverage and the types of different issues the candidates were doing. and we were talking about this in the last 12 days it is pretty much right about there. what ended up happening on the day that james comey has his announcement, it is a 85% chance of winning. it's not a sure thing, then where did we go? her polling was at 1.7 points and 538 model add her at a two thirds chance of winning. at the very end, she had a lead over donald trump, a 70% in the 538 forecast but she lost. one of the big reasons why is you look at the day of voting. in florida, donald trump won,
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people that made up their minds in the last week by 17 points according to the exit polls. 11 points in michigan, and a whopping 29 in wisconsin. of voe the race. >> and, mark, does the clinton team feel like they could have done anything differently in order to change those numbers? >> not really. when you end up looking at it, everyone saw the numbers were in one particular place. and even many people in the trump campaign thought that they were behind in the contest, but we really weren't able to kind of see this until after the race was already over. >> and those of you who have not had a chance to read it, take a look at mark murray's article. he really lays out what happened, talks to a number of officials both in the clinton and trump worlds to find out what they thought in the moments before the race ended. spoiler alert, pretty much everyone thought that donald trump was going to lose. nbc's mark murray.
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guys, thank you both. >> thank you. >> and charlottesville has now recovered -- excuse me. now covered up the statue of p robert e. lee that sparked all that violence the other week. but is that what americans really want? so that's the idea. what do you think? hate to play devil's advocate but... i kind of feel like it's a game changer. i wouldn't go that far. are you there? he's probably on mute. yeah... gary won't like it. why? because he's gary. (phone ringing) what? keep going! yeah...
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lee and stonewall jackson. the robert e. lee statue was the center of the unite the right rally nearly two weeks ago that led to violent crashes between far right and counterprotestors. president trump talked about the removal of these statues at his rally in phoenix last night. >> in the proud tradition of america's great leaders, from george washington, please don't take his statue down, please. please. does anybody want george washington's statue? no. is that sad? is that all sad? to lincoln, to teddy roosevelt, i see they want to take teddy roosevelt's down too. they're trying to figure out why. they don't know. they're trying to take away our culture. they're trying to take away our history. and our weak leaders, they do it over night. these things have been there for 150 years, for 100 years.
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>> i'm joined now by reverend al sharpton. rev, thank you so much for joining us. the quinnipiac poll is out showing how the country feels about these statues. and more than 50% of people in two polls agree with the president, that these statues shouldn't be taken down. what do you make of that? >> i think many people have taken that position because, like the president, they have the wrong information. what he just said is an outrage because, first of all, we're talking about stonewall jackson and robert e. lee, who were principles, generals in the confederate army, an army that was set up to overthrow the united states government and keep slavery in fact as law and as the order of the day. they were not presidents or
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officers of the united states government. the only reason anyone knows of robert e. lee's name or stonewall jackson's name is because they were insurrectionists of this country. now, i have differences in terms of george washington owning slaves and thomas jefferson, but they were presidents of countries. -- of this country. and you can have the argument that you have to respect who were the presidents, and you would cite them. but how do you lump in people that really led rebell yons against the country? i think it's a mass miss education. and for the president of the united states to tril trivial eyes people objecting to confederate generals coming down saying they're trying to wipe out our history and try to link all of it as one subject rather than being sensitive to the disgrace that this was in the american historic story is what adds to this, and it's the height of irresponsibility of this president. >> let's take a closer look at
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the bz in. of white voters, 50% oppose removal. 39% support removal. black voters, 67 support support, 21% oppose. and history in this case removal and 42% oppose removal. is this going to affect the move to take away these statues across the country, maybe take away these statues in the u.s. capitol as some democrats are trying to do? >> i think it will in many ways exacerbate the debate. and i think that the good part of that debate will be that we'll be able to educate the public. as i've traveled around the country, people don't understand until you explain to them, these people were trying to kill american soldiers. >> but talk about when they were erected. these statues weren't elected during the war, they weren't even eruktd -- >> no. they were erected during the jim
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crow era. after reconstruction when the klan and others began their rise and when we went into jim crow laws where blacks couldn't sit in certain places, couldn't eat, when we by law had seg grags, they erected these statues to show after reconstruction, we will have a state of white superiority. that's what the statues were erected for. in fact, ront e. lee after the civil war said he was against memorials because we needed to let the are nation heal. now they erected in the early part of the 20th century -- slavery ended by the emancipation proximate cause clags in 1863. it wasn't early the early part of the 20 century they started erecting this statue. it had nothing to do with the war. it had everything to do with white supremacy and the more americans know that, the more they will say this is a disgrace because it's not honoring ront e. lee. it's honoring segregation.
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>> and robert e. lee didn't want these statues put up. he wanted the nation to heal. >> absolutely. >> reverend al sharpton. thank you so much for coming in today. our reminder to catch "politicsnation" every sunday morning right here on msnbc. that will wrap things up for me this hour. chris jansing, my good friend, picks things up from washington right now. chris, i usually see you at the top of the hour, not at the bottom. >> and i prefer to be in the same studio with you, katy. thank you so much. >> nice seeing you too. >> i'm chris jansing in for ali velshi today. and it's a tally of two speeches for the president this arch. on one hand you have that address 234 renotice, nevada just now. the leader of the free world sfiking to the teleprompter thanking our countries veterans and making a call for national unity. >> it is time to heal the wounds that divide us and to seek a new unity based on the common values that unite us. we are one people with


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