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this many pot puns. he has multiple co-sponsors but one of they is not senator roy blunt. but give it time. in all seriousness, this issue is really gaining more bipartisan traction every day. that's all we have for tonight. we'll be back with more mtp daily tomorrow. >> chuck, i've been watching you a long time. host of "meet the press." host of mtp daily. i believe this is your first blunt pun on television. i believe. >> it may be. fair enough. >> we salute and you the good senator from utah. >> hey, go hash it out in your hour, will you? >> thank you, chuck todd. amazing. >> we do begin on the beat we some breaking news. bob mueller's russia investigation is now treating mike flynn jr. as subject in its criminal inquiry. investigators probing his work the lobbying work of his father,
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mike flynn. this is an exclusive nbc news report. flynn is now one of only three formal subjects in this probe. that's not good news for the flynn family. flynn jr. has worked in government and business for his father, traveling with him everywhere from trump tower during the transition to moscow to celebrate the russia outlet and sit next to vladimir putin. this is breaking today so we go straight to kenainian and he broke the story with two of our colleagues. it is big to identify anyone as a subject of probe of why is mike flynn jr. under this scrutiny and how did you get four sources to confirm it? >> as you mentioned, we have a dogged team working this story for days and we found right people who are familiar with this. they confirmed it for us and we don't know the conduct the special counsel is examining. with mike flynn jr. but we know
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he was the right hand man of his father who is apparently facing some criminal jeopardy over his failure to declare his lobbying work for turkey and for some other financial entanglements. and the son would have known about almost every meeting. as you mentioned, he attended the gala where his father sat next to vladimir putin and the son was along for that. so he would have intimate knowledge of his father's business deegs. if you look at mueller's strategy, if it is his goal to have strategy, having his son on the whook some potential criminal jeopardy is certainly a point of leverage. >> and as lawyer i wouldn't want to answer the question but you're here so i'll try to get to you answer it. what portion of this is about the son and what portion is about the father?
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>> well, i have to believe a lot of it is about the father. the son is collateral damage. to the extent that the son -- for instance, one of the issues is he apparently failed to disclose foreign contacts and certain business arrangements on his securitier application. to what extent did mike flynn the son know about these arrangements and the failure to disclose? was there a conspiracy of any kind? if he had knowledge of or participated in illegal acts by the father, he may be on the hook for that. bits the father's conduct. >> right. stay with me. i want to bring in the correspondent. walk us through what it means to be a subject. >> so a subject of an investigation is someone whose conduct potentially because the within the range of what is under investigation.
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you'll remember, ari, the federal prosecutors use three of they will. prosecutors haven't determined they are a target. and then a target is someone who prosecutors believe they have sufficient evidence to charge or that they will have that evidence. >> right. so it's not good for him. the point that ken and i were discussing, this relates back to the father. creates potential prosecutorial leverage. bob mueller will follow facts. i don't think they'll have him in the cross hairs if there is contact to support it. so looking at the pushback there team trump, i want to play the old pushback. well, flynn junior is not involved in things. here was the old pushback. >> general -- he has no
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involvement in the twlangs rans whatsoever. >> e-mail is something we've all heard about through the course of 2016. and then here just breaking in our hour, mike flynn back on twitter. mike flynn jr., he's pushed a lot of conspiracies. he says fake news media. we're done covering those pesky hurricanes, right? back to russia. and then calls this #nothingburger. what are we hearing from trump world? >> there's no doubt white house is distancing themselves from this widening russia probe. today the white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders said she had not discussed this with the president and referred her quarters to outside counsel. but mike flynn jr. e-mailed during this transition and the vice president said he had no involvement. why did he have an e-mail during transition process if that was
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the case? certainly there are still questions that the white house has to answer about mike flynn's jr.'s involvement. and that's something prosecutors will be looking at as well. the other piece to this, the other flynn development was from capitol hill. they have evidence that he flynn senior had a plan to build nuclear reactors in the middle east. they say he broke the law, handing over evidence. flynn admitting on his third financial disclosure form that he says he did get paid $5,000 on that project. the report paints a picture of a secretive official on the take. and do i think this raises questions that extend beyond 2016, beyond november and into
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these two men. father and son. the way they work the government. >> absolutely. what we know now from mike flynn's disclosure statements baltimore he was paid around $1.8 million. and this is one deal we're learning about. it was a scheme the build nuclear power plants in the middle east with some russian involvement. here was mike flynn making thought money from private entities up to and including the transition. then he becomes national security adviser. you have to believe he's asking dirgts influence the money? he was paid more than half a million by the government of turkey. did he take any action to benefit the government of turkey? >> and as a prosecutor, we talked about intent and motive. it is fascinating to see someone operating at such a high level. taking these relatively small
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deals by had a they can get. you don't need sell access to get $25,000. we know from the public reporting, a general could do a couple speeches or other kinds of work. does that help or hurt him? the idea that this may have been motivated by money? >> so i think that hurts him. prosecutors like to think about investigations. they like to think about it like surfing across the surface of a pond. you see the smooth moving body while underneath, the feet are paddling wildly. i would guess that mueller's folks are viewing the $25,000 transactions as the smooth part of the body and there's a lot more beneath the surface here. >> and is this another way where the white house feels they've been pulled back into russia? or have they made piece with that because they've seen the strategy sometimes being, well, leave it alone. we're doing other work. and other days, them picking fights with jim comey as they
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did on monday. >> well, a major discussion at the white house today has been the president's tax reform package which we have yet to see yet but his team has been working aggressively with legislators, james comey has come up several times this week the white house saying the president was 100% right to fire him. when it comes to michael flynn, you have to recall he's not worked at the white house since february when he was let go by the president. but that wasn't for failing to disclose this business that he had with these foreign governments. to the government. that was because he reportedly lied to the vice president about whether or not he discussed sanctions with the russian government. which is also something that is being looked at. so you have to keep that in mind as you think of michael flynn in the white house's involvement. the white house has blamed thor obama administration for not vetting flynn better even though
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it clearly didn't vet him too well during transition. >> in a sea of bizarre talking points, that might be the most bizarre. because it was leaked out at the time before flynn was ever recommendory minded or fired that barack obama tried to warn president trump, you know, basically saying, this is not someone you want to have in this high a post. >> of course he did. and by the time michael flynn was appointed national security adviser, everyone knew what had happened and how james clapper pushed flynn out early basically over an issue of management chaos. the idea that -- first of all, it is extraordinary that a man became the national security adviser after essentially earning more than $1 million in part from foreign governments or lobbying on behalf of foreign governments. we haven't seen that before and it really raises a lot of questions about what vetting there was. >> so finally to you on the subject we have here. paul manafort, michael flynn
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sr., and michael flynn jr., are the confirmed subjects. and then the people under some sort of scrutiny, president trump for the discussion around whether there was obstruction or interference as well as any role he might have played in his campaign. donald trump jr., jared kushner, and carter page. so all told, that is seven plus. what are we to make of that in terms of your understanding of how mueller is looking at these different people? >> mueller is looking from the outside in. we're starting to see him talk with people who worked in the white house with this group of people who are under investigation. he will be thoroughly and carefully examining exactly what happened. i think ken is exactly right, that a lot of this circles around flynn's conduct, of course, acting attorney general sally yates took the remarkable step to go to the white house to warn the white house counsel about potential problems involving flynn. we've seen increased attacks on
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the white house on james comey which seems to say that something is coming from the direction of james comey. and we've learned there are two senior fbi officials who mueller is trying to keep from testifying on the hill. which seems to be an indication that he wants to protect their testimony from public view. that there's something important there. so all told, it looks like he is starting to focus this smaller group. but at the same time being very careful to get all of the details on board and to thoroughly test evidence before he makes any final decisions. >> understood and very interesting. thank you for sharing your scoop with us. thank you for being here. up next, another focus of the fbi. these kremlin backed propaganda groups. how are investigators probing flynn senior's ties? and later, i'll speak to a former facebook employee about whether the site is putting profits above democracy and letting fake news slide.
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lock her up! that's right. that's right. lock her up. >> general flynn there at the convention. meanwhile today, nbc news learning that the former trump national security adviser's son, michael flynn jr., is a subject of the probe. he had a key role working with his father in the business and transition team. so that brings us to michael flynn sr. who said he would be willing to testify in the russia probe but only in exchange for criminal immunity. with the flynn family back in the spotlight, it is worth
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remembering the entire question of whether there was obstruction of justice which revolves around intent was an issue jim comey said involved a request, very unusual torsi unusual, to let flynn go. >> general flynn at that time was in legal jeopardy. there was an open fbi criminal investigation of his statements in question, the russian contacts. >> months later, he was fired for lying about it. the president telling flynn to, quote, stay strong. whatever that means. today white house was asked if they're still in touch. >> when was the last time he spoke with mike flynn? >> i'm not sure. i'm not aware of any conversation that's taken place in quite a long time. >> that is nbc reporting on the focus of mike flynn jr. and just this week, the former
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employee of one, the sputnik, was on "the beat" just last night in his first interview since he spoke with the fbi. >> did this new interview you had with the fbi suggest they're looking at making sputnik potentially register as a foreign agent? >> absolutely. that was the purpose in the interview. >> it doesn't stop there. u.s. intelligence on russian hacking has already named sputnik and rt propaganda outlets. it is the russian outlet that paid mike flynn $35,000 to go to that gala where he infamously sat right next to vladimir putin. and flynn denied the russians paid him for going. >> were you paid for that amount? >> you would have to ask my, the folks i went over there. >> i'll asking you. you would know if you were paid. >> i went over there. it was a speaking event. it was a speaking event. what difference does that make? someone says, he's paid by the
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russians. >> donald trump has made a lot of the fact hillary clinton has taken money from wall street and sachs. >> i didn't take money from russia if that's what you're asking me. >> who paid you? >> my speaker's bureau. ask them. >> with me, political correspondent for new york magazine, michael isikoff who was conducting that interview, and of course "the new york times" who has a big new piece digging into these outlets. was the general lying to you? >> well, he used the same sort of formulation that he later used, and not just significantly with me but in his security clearance when asked, what money he took from foreign governments. he said he did not disclose that he took money from russia. he said he took money from u.s. firms. the speaker's bureau is a u.s. firm.
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but everybody knows who works the speaker's bureau, the money comes from the company or entity that is paying the speaker's bureau. he knew -- >> michael, you know i love you. i love your reporting. i feel like you're taking extra time on say if you put crack money in a laundromat it still comes out as crack money of the. >> you said it better than i did of the. >> what do we see adding up? >> it was clear when i did that interview that he had been paid by russia and received russian money of the by the way, that was the same day as the lock her up speech which you showed at the outset of this. and it was a sleight of hand. he was trying to throw people off. even then, even then, there was so much attention to russia's role here, that same week wikileaks was disclosing the dnc e-mails.
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it was clear that the russians were playing a big role, paul manafort's connections to russia, pro russia people in the ukraine. all this was an issue at the time and he was trying to deflect from that. the fact he continued to deflect with that, with his security clearance form is one of the issues mueller is looking at and one of the issues he is under investigation. >> and jim, you are talking directly to putin's press secretary who test you, this new reality creates a perfect opportunity for mass disturbances and initiating mass support or disapproval. they feel they've been effective and they're bragging about it. >> one thing to clarify, they feel like you guys started this. the color revolutions, they think the west has been part of upheaval in their part of the world so they're saying there's an information war. he says this directly. there is an information war and we're engaging in it and he thinks they're doing quite well. >> and you viewed this in your
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reporting that was significant. there was a point in time earlier in the campaign when people thought, is this getting hyped? exaggerated? now it seems like, no, this is something that russia is very effective at. now you have an administration that won't even acknowledge that they did it. >> i was struck when i he left his office. let me go check the tape. he was very open about it. this is an information war. and he described rt as an army from the opposite side. that there was western media. here's something from our point of view. >> well, army, it is so interesting to hear that word. the entire legal shift is the fbi saying wait a minute. we have been too soft on these groups. they are, if not an earp, an agent of a foreign power and have to be regulated as such and that seems the put more heat on flynn senior because he has this very public link to them. and that nice seat noefl putin of the will. >> certainly. they're in the white house briefing room. you spoke to the former
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correspondent yesterday, and they're everywhere in washington. it is not very far from the white house. they are very influential and you know, you have michael flynn's son. he was perpetuating conspiracies like pizza gate during the campaign. this was somebody really doing everything he could to go after the democrats. even using conspiracy theories being perpetuated by the furthest of far right people. but i think the whole thing now, all the news today, it really proves that trump cannot get away from this. there is a drip, drip of even if he fires somebody, it doesn't really matter when you're talking about a federal investigation. this is going to continue to follow him and continue to be a problem for him. and i think he will be increasingly agitated by it as he tries to get something done legislatively. >> the question is whether the drip, drip is coming from donald trump's water bottle. he is the one who was basically obsessing over the flynn inquiry before the public or other
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people had any sense really how far it went of the take listen to him with lester holt. this is a different part of that interview that gets a lot of attention. >> general flynn is a part of this investigation. sally yates recently fetched the white house was notified that he had been compromised, he was at risk of being black mailed. it was 18 days later that he was finally fired. >> my white house counsel, don mcgann, came back to me. he didn't make it sound like he was, and she actually didn't make it spound way either in the hearings the other day. like it had to be done immediately. this man has served for many years. he's a general. in my opinion, a very good person. >> so to be clear, olivia, the man he's talking about, don mcgann, has now caught grand jury subpoena, or least an fbi subpoena from mueller so we may be hearing that side of the
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story. and whether trump was fixated on flynn. >> certainly. donald trump has by all accounts, every one i've spoken to, great affection. he didn't want to fire him. it was just this cascade of events that sort of forced his hand and forced him to fire michael flynn. wasn't as though he looked around and he said he will be a problem for us. perhaps he shouldn't be in the white house. in all of these important meetings, getting all of this important information. the pressure became so intense that he was forced to fire him. and i think that tells you a lot about how he feels about michael flynn and how he fwees people in this administration who might be problematic more broadly. >> on the one hand, it is not a surprise that mueller wants to talk to flynn, that flynn's son is being looked at. he was chief of staff of the consulting company which has been central to the investigation of flynn.
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not just russia but the turkish work and that they didn't disclose that. so it is entirely expected that mueller would be going in this direction. if you take a step back and look at who mueller wants to interview. who he is seeking documents from. it is all entirely predictable. >> right. with the trail we had. jim, looking at your article, at the end of the day, is it just sort of a bummer? put the politics aside. you finish an article like yours and you think, it will only get worse and there is no truth and it will be abusesed by all these foreign entities. >> the good news is that people are aware that our news sources always have agendas and motives. that's the most important thing. where is this coming from?
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>> you're making us all feel a little better a little at a time. i want to thank the panel. up next, congress officially saying to trump, the hate in charlottesville was not both sides. it was one side. and forcing hip to denounce white supremacists. this is a story that hasn't gotten much attention had week. and robert mueller's red hot focus on the role of virtual crime. i'll have a special comment on that later. don't let dust and allergens get between you and life's beautiful moments. flonase outperforms the #1 non-drowsy allergy pill.
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congress is forcing donald trump to condemn white supremacy. last night the gop controlled house pass ad resolution to condemn one side of white supremacy. this forces trump to change his message from the infamous things he said after charlottesville. >> you had a group on one side and a group on the other. and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious. i think there's blame on both
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sides. you look at both sides. i think there's blame on both sides. and i have no doubt about it and you don't have any doubt about it either. >> congress has a doubt about it. that's why the new resolution rebuts that famous speech and it does something else important. formally declaring in one unanimous bipartisan statement on behalf of the federal government what happened in charlottesville was terrorism. trump wasn't sure about that either. >> well, i think the driver of the car is a disgrace to himself, his family and his country. and that is, you can call it terrorism. you can call it murder. you can call it whatever you want. i would just call it as the fastest one to come up with a good verdict. because there is a question. is it murder? terrorism? and then you get into legal smantices. the driver of the car is a murderer and what did he is a
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horrible, hofk inexcusable thing. >> horrible and murder but also call it what you want. this resolution coming now at a time when people have stopped thinking as much about charlottesville is actual 50 important. it is a national discussion led by people in washington by both parties about how to define it. yesterday they said they weren't so sure what the president would do. today president trump saying he will sign this. and that would send a message that he's been dragged to. that this was terror and that one side must be condemned. i want to bring in our panel. rich benjamin is author of the book, why topia. thank you both. this is something that comes up and sometimes will we just rush off and move on. and it is pretty fascinating, even though it is a month later. to see the congress on a bipartisan basis, look at what donald trump argued about both sides, about the monuments,
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about george washington, and say no, mr. president. you must sign this and it condemns one side. because there was one time of hate at the white supremacist rally, and number two, we're calling it terrorism. >> well, two things. let's address the white supremacy first. it is horrifying that congress has to pass something for white supremacy. i thought we settled that. the second part is the fact of terrorism. and it is not just legal semantics. if you pass the resolution, what do you do about it? how are you going to ferret it out. as far as the trump administration is concerned. when we think that some of the best journalists, are investigating the extent to which white nationalists and extremist groups might be
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infiltrating small police departments in small towns, then what? the terrorism part is new. the fact we have to condemn white supremacy in 2017, that's horrifying. >> your old boss backed this and spoke out. what does it say that donald trump had to be dragged here by a unanimous resolution? >> well, it is extraordinary that congress felt the need to do this. that congress is sending this to the president's desk for a signature. i think it does show the president he could have used much better language when he was could not will depping what happened. obviously, he condemned white sprelcy and nazis. did he that but it was one of only three statements and the other two got him in trouble. ultimately, this is something that's good. i think it is great that congress is going on record. the congress will scene ign it hopefully we can move forward. we should not be defined by the
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extremes. the extreme left and the extreme right. i don't think white supremacists are accepted in the republican party of the. >> don't you think donald trump hurt that cause when he started saying there were good people at a white supremacist rally? we've shown this show the posters which had the nazi insignificant 93 he on there. >> oh, yeah. anybody who showed up at that rally to tear down the robert e. lee statue and saw nazi flags and people talking in very extremist language probably should have left. so i don't think that was the right language for the president to use. but ultimately, i think that many overreached. they've accused the president of being a racist, of being surrounded by white supremacists. i don't think that's true at all. i don't think the 60 million people who voted for donald trump are racists.
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>> i'm fascinated to know, how steve bannon stayed in the white house, if he had stayed in the white house, would this have gone down a different way. what do we do with domestic terrorism, with extremism. the proof will be in the pudding of will. >> thank you both for a discussion on something, a topic we wanted to return to. coming up, why bob mueller is demanding more information from sites like facebook and an update on the devastation after hurricane irma. the climate change contributing to the extremity of these natural disasters?
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in france. we know they're intervening in germany as well. this is a tactic of 21st century of cyber misinformation and misinformation campaigns. >> with me now, antonio martinez, a former facebook executive who worked on the ad targeting and wrote mark zuckerberg was being disingenuous when in the wake of trump's unexpected victory. is facebook doing enough to deal with this and are they putting their profits above their role in being fair as a utility in our democracy? >> i think the short answer is no. i am the first to defend facebook but in this case, particularly in the case of the allegations of russia and buying ads on facebook, there's more that facebook can do. and i don't think it is facebook putting profit above patriotic
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duty but i think it was not on facebook's radar screen. >> so not malicious. they just didn't know about it. >> i was in charge of the ads quality team during last presidential election and this was so far from our minds and not something we would have thought about i think doesn't surprise me that facebook was blind sided by this. >> did you ever hear about these ads in idaho that were from russia and you thought it looked little hingy? >> at this point we were trying get the campaigns to use facebook to begin with. >> what should zuckerberg do now and there are cause for him to testify? do you think he should? >> i think it will be a great show. but zuckerberg talking to senators who don't know much about tech won't teach us much. what i think they need to do, like wall street banks know their customer and have to understand who opens accounts, i think facebook needs understand who opens these accounts, why,
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and it is not something they've done and they should be doing. >> do you want to say anything to bob mueller's investigators. what should they know? something that is very technical. what should they know about how facebook works and its susceptibility to these foreign plots? >> i would stress that facebook has over 2 billion users and hundreds of thousands of advertisers. there's only so much do you know and hindsight is 20/20. facebook needs to do what it does with other accounts. start policing more. i think it is clear that facebook has debt to democracy which is to make sure there sanity meddling in affairs. >> some of the most shared pieces on all of facebook were fake news, false accounts that were helping donald trump. why didn't they catch that? should they do more on that? >> look, facebook is a technology company. it doesn't see itself as a media
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coil and it doesn't want an editorial function. they just can't use that excuse but it is a real change in their dna. they're not used to thinking about how you edit a bofd information. i think they'll have to start going to going forward. >> when you say they're only a tech coil, they're the most powerful media in the world. ask any website or newspaper. appreciate you sharing your experience with us on "the beat." today in the wake of hurm, six residents dead at a nursing hole. power out angs left they without air conditioning and there were questions about why they were not evacuated. four people killed. very scarce relief supplies are starting to arrive. so focus on the recovery is essential but how to manage and what to expect in future extreme weather events.
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part of discussion focusing on climate change. the head of the epa said it would be insensitive to discuss climate change while still dealing with this storm. another high ranking official, gary cohn, who is hosting an event next week. >> anyone who believes that there is no such thing as global warming must be blind or unintelligent. lord, please save us all. >> with me now is ann thompson, the chief environmental affairs correspondent. thank you for being here. are these severe weather events increasing in frequency? >> it certainly seems like it but i can tell you when you go to the national centers for environmental information, they say in the first six months of 2017, we saw nine climate or weather events, extreme events,
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that caused more than $1 billion more in destruction. nine events. that is on track to challenge the record years of 2011 and 2016. now on average from 1980 to today, there are usually $5.5 billion streel weather events. we saw nine in the first half of this year. and that didn't include harvey and irma. and when you think about harvey and irma, they are the first two category four hurricanes to make landfall in the u.s. in the 166 years of record keeping. so we're in some uncharted territory. >> when people talk about once in a century. what do we know that the data? not that they're caused by climate change but are they more extreme because of it? >> that's the question. what role does climate change
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play when we see incredible storms? talking to scientists, they say climate change is like loading the dice. it makes it possible for these storms to have a greater impact. another way to think about it. think of it like steroids in baseball. the role of steroids with a home run hitter. it doesn't make it easier, it doesn't improve his hand-eye contact. it improves his strength to hit the ball farther to go over the fence more often. and that's essentially with a greenhouse gases do in weather events. it makes it more likely that these events will be extreme. >> so climate change is juicing the hurricane. >> take hurricanes, for example. hurricanes feed off warm water. in the part of atlantic where hurricanes form, there year, sea surface temperatures have been anywhere from one to two degrees warmer this summer. now you've got more warm water to feed hurricanes.
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more warm water over warm air that can contain more moisture. when you have warm water plus warm air, it creates a hurricane, hits he landfall. then it has the ability to produce more rainfall as we saw in hurricane harvey. >> so those pictures, to give people the information, the evacuation orders, then give way to this wider discussion of what the data shows. i think we're out of time. go ahead. >> we have to talk about it. one of the things is we have to figure out, how do we adapt to it? how do we prevent homes from flooding? how do we prevent houston from flooding again? from miami flooding the way did it? without talking about climate change, i don't know how you get to those answers. >> which is whstevie wonder was getting to. >> congratulations on your new
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now i have a legal look for you at an important new clue in the russian probe. many describe this probe as an investigation of collusion. >> there is evidence of collusion. >> i believe that was collusion. >> yes, there was collusion, i still maintain that there is evidence of collusion. >> collusion is a big legal issue because any conspiracy between americans and a foreign power is a major crime. and it's a big political issue because the evidence shows if political operatives worked with
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a foreign power, it is seen as a scandal. why were there so many russia meetings with trump aides? why was there an e-mail about trump's support like it was already an established thing? but, the latest reports from mueller shows him digging into how? how did russia target so many important parts of the investigation? more on the red-hot use of social media, according to a bloomberg today, dhs banning federal agencies from using software from a lab link to the kremlin. and this focuses on how, bringing up a new word, you may start to hear about it almost as much as collusion. the word is virtual, because the report shows mueller is focused on virtual crime, which is still pretty rare. there were over four times as many violent crime convictions as there were complaints about virtual crime. now two keys are at play in
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order for them to solve virtual work at play. first, it's much harder to locate the people behind virtual crimes for a basic reason. in a regular crime, the perpetrator has to be at the crime location. that limits the suspects of people who were there, in the old days the best alibi you could give the fbi was, you were out of town. for virtual crimes, you could be colluding with any hacker from around the world. but secondly, virtual crimes leave more fingerprints. so there is big news that facebook says that russians used their site to plot rallies, those are evidence of organized event such as ohio. now, there would be no evidence to gather such as fingerprints, a year later. but with the virtual event all the evidence is there, the code,
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the receipts, even a list of people who said they were interested in a rally on facebook and who clicked that they went. so the old saying is that the internet never forgets. even if russians say they can't remember a hack or e-mail or a russian facebook plot if they so much as touched it in virtual space, the internet may remember it. and bob mueller may have the receipts. there is another new report saying lawyers for trump aides are advising him not to lie to the fbi investigators in the russian probe. sounds like good advice. it is hard to outsmart the fbi or out-remember the internet, or as mark twain said long before the virtual crimes were ever imagined, if you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything anything. i kept looking for ways to manage my symptoms.
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he is not throwing away his shot. that is a hamilton reference, but applies to the activities this week, going to d.c. you can see standing with congressman john lewis as miranda accepts the role about educating people about history. and randall rolled out the show tunes on the capitol hill underground train. >> ding, congress train! whoa, whoa, whoa!
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>> they call this train, it just keeping rolling ♪ ♪ along. >> congress train, those are miranda's political tunes, now what song is getting you through this political moment? tell us, you can post it at, that is our show. "hardball" starts now. >> another trumpster targeted. let's play "hardball"." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington, msnbc learned that the son of the president's former national security adviser is now the subject of the investigation being led by special counsel robert mueller.


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