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service. this is going to be a long-term, multi-year problem for this region. a problem that this administration needs to face. >> stephanie is going to continue to be reporting from continue to be reporting from the u.s. virgin islands for us tomorrow. the 11th with brian williams is next. tonight the art of the deal, tons of confusion on what just was agreed upon at dinner with chuck and nancy as the president fends off criticism from the very people who put him into office. plus new details on the humiliation suffered by attorney general jeff sessions when trump dressed him down in the oval office after robert mueller was appointed. and the president down on his both side comments in the wake of charlottesville. then signs a resolution tonight condemning hatred, bigotry and racism in all formts as the 11th hour gets under way.
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and good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 238 of the trump administration and the president is dealing with another missile test from north korea, the aftermath of a category 5 hurricane and the prospect of brokering a big deal on immigration. first, military officials say north korea fired a ballistic missile this evening that flew over japanese air space and crashed into the pacific oerkts. it came after mr. trump returned from florida where he handed out sandwiches in a food lion in naples. and when air force one took off for florida today, it left hyped hope, anger, out-out confusion, all of it on the topic of daca and the 800,000 or so so-called d.r.e.a.m.ers who were brought to this country illegally by their parents and through no-fault of their own. last night we were here talking about democrats, schumer and pelosi, touting a deal with trump after dinner, chinese food, at the white house. they saw the deal as excluding the wall on the southern border,
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in their view. well, today's view was not so clear. it started when trump wrote on twitter this morning, quote, no deal was made last night on daca. massive border security would have to be agreed to in exchange for consent. would be subject to vote. that was the message to the president sent to his 38 million plus followers on twitter. then in front of cameras today he said this. >> well, we're working on a plan subject to getting massive border control, we're working on a plan for daca. people want to see that happen. you have 800,000 young people brought here, no-fault of their own, so we're, woing on a plan. we'll see how it works out. the wall will come later. we're right now renovating large sections of wall, massive sections, making it brand-new. we're doing a lot of renovation. we're building four different samples of the wall to see which one we're going to choose, and the wall is going to be built.
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it will be funded a little bit later. >> i just spoke with paul ryan. he's voting for it. everybody is voting for it. they want to do something -- we're not talking about amnesty. we're talking about -- we're talking about taking care of people. >> but within an hour of those comments speaker paul ryan laid things out pretty plainly to reporters on capitol hill. >> there is no agreement. the president and the chief of staff called me from air force one today to discuss what was discussed, and it was a discussion, not an agreement or negotiation. >> the confusion quickly spread to much of the rest of congress. >> one of our most productive discussions was about the daca program in which we all agreed on a framework. >> i don't think they came to any final agreement, but i think it's good they're talking. >> we have the makings of a deal. there's a deal on the table. i think it's unfair to say that there's a done deal. >> from what i've heard it
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sounds like a deal to make a deal. there is no deal currently made. >> if the president did make a deal, we've still got to do what we do on capitol hill. >> all i can say is there's a deal to be made. >> i assume there's space for a deal here. >> i have noticed one thing. i notice there's a lot of discussion. people around here talk a lot. i've kind of learned to wait and see what they do. >> there you go. so what's the deal on the deal to be made or the deal to make a deal? tonight "the new york times" explains how this deal went down. apparently over dinner the president asked some version of what's in it for me. schumer responded with a litany of what he saw as mr. trump's presidential sins, according to two people with direct knowledge of the interaction. those included pulling out of the paris climate accord and failing to unequivocally denounce antisemiticism and racism in the wake of the charlottesville violence. the time had come as nancy pelosi the top house democrat nodded in agreement for the president to prove himself to
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democrats if he wanted to do any big deals. all of this served to ignite forces in the normally fiercely loyal trump base. ann coulter wrote on twitter at this point who doesn't want trump impeached. don's jans could be -- then the radio waves lit up. >> what would you call a republican who sounds like jeb bush now when it comes to immigration and daca? you would call them a republican in name only, right, a reasono, well the president of the united states is apparently a reasono. >> imagine if he called out to the crowd, we're going to build samples of the wall. samples of the wall. and we're gonna make the american taxpayers pay for it. >> is trump, i'm asking you who voted for him, is he this tone deaf? is he this ignorant? does he not know what got him
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elected? >> from there let's turn to our lead-off panel tonight robert costa, shannon pettypiece, and jonathan la mere. welcome to you all. jonathan, you get to go first. laura inning ham was particularly sharp right there in her sarcasm. what just happened? is this a transactional, as people like to call him, moving target president? >> first of all, it's a president, and we saw this in the confusion whose scatter shot approach, approach of telling people what they want to hear allows other folks, potentially with very, very different varying viewpoints to hear what they want. that he's not going to get pinned down. he's ideologically flexible to
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be kind. this is a president who, yet, he's eager for some sort of win. he's eager for that word again, deal. he is frustrated, deeply frustrated with mng konl and ryan. he has no personal connection with them. he feels like. he feels like they let him down over health care. he feels like they've let him down by not shielding him from the russia probe. so when chuck and nancy come to dinner, he finds people who speak his language at least in terms of senator schumer a fellow new yorker and he feels like this is people programs i can work with. now, it certainly risks alienating some of the base, certainly some of the bold faced names were very critical of him today. the issue will be do the rank and file trump voters, those people who filled rally halls across the country last year chapting build the wall, those who get their news from breitbart who has a headline today don amnesty, will they also break from the president?
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these are the very people who he said he could go out in fifth avenue and shoot someone and they would still stay with him. >> robert costa, i want to read a few things to you that have come out tonight. first of all, maggie haberman on twitter summed it by saying trump, who has no chemistry with niche and likes chuck is happy making a deal. this is politico's version of trump's works with the democrats. quote, in recent weeks trump has complained in private that it's difficult to have any sort of relationship or even make small talk with senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. he's told staff that he finds speaker paul ryan whom he has dubbed a boy scout dry as well, but the two have some rapport. you have a drink with mitch mcconnell. so it's not easy being mitch mcconnell, i guess, these days. sum up what you think we've just witnessed, robert. >> negotiations between
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congressional leaders and presidents can often go in one direction. we saw that as you mentioned with president obama and then house speaker john boehner. when they were talking about fiscal negotiations. it becomes a new challenge once that deal heads to capitol hill. and with this new daca agreement, it really is only a framework on. and house speaker ryan's comments were revealing of the state of play in the house gop. the house dp op that remains more hard line in some respects with the house freedom caucus than president trump's current position. it will be interesting to see how speaker ryan handles this moment. does he try to actually bring the schumer-trump agreement to the house floor. >> shannon pettypiece, there are three ways to be heard on the house floor. number one, there is a wearable microphone. number two, there is kind of a regional microphone that can hear you. number three, there's to talk in front of an open version of numbers one and two. and we had a little bit of hubbub today because chuck
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schumer was talking to someone, barely audible to a microphone. let's listen to that. we'll read to the viewers out, read what he says here and talk about it on the other side. >> he likes us. he likes me, anyway. look, what he said was exactly -- here is what i told. i said mr. president, you're much better off if you can sometimes step right and sometimes step left. if you have to step in just one direction, you're boxed. he gets that. oh, its going to work out and it will make us more productive too. >> well, shannon, that's a little civics lesson right there. what's going on here? >> i know we've all sort of been giving our psychoanalysis, trying to figure out what's going on with these relationships with where chuck schumer is and where trump is. i guess my take on this and what i've gotten from talking to people close to the president, people who know him well is that this is a president trying to find his way around washington, who came in, as we all know, no
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experience in politics, no experience in washington, other than going to a few fund raisers. he had no previous existing relationships. he's trying to figure them out. ryan mcconnell didn't work. let's try chuck and nancy. he has this previous relationship with schumer and i remember talking to people in the very early days, maybe two or three days after that really fiery inauguration speech saying well, there goes any hope of him working with chuck schumer, working with the democrats because a lot of people in washington saw that as a really natural alliance. and he went the other direction and now he's being, you know -- and that didn't work out. so shift, let's try this. let's see if this works out. as one person, a supporter of his said, that he's sort of been like someone lost in the woods, trying to find their way in washington. i guess lost in the swamp would be the other analogy, feeling his way and he's feeling in direction and seeing how it works out and seeing what happens. >> so there's no rule book and
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no one is being graded here, but how do you veteran trump watchers figure out if this is a weekly thing, monthly thing or quarterly thing or for the rest of his administration? >> your guess is as good as ours. >> you're not supposed to say that. >> it changes by the hour, the minute, the tweet. this is a president who has not that many political core convictions. he's willing to compromise. he's willing to make a deal. he is now with some democrats who, you know, have been reluctant with an angry base to approximate give him any sort of win. so i think there's a little danger here for schumer and pelosi too. certainly something is daca that their base fully supports, but if suddenly they start giving trump some victories, momentum, perhaps that could be anish issue for them as well. but the president is deleted with this turn of events. his aides have been telling us this is the happiest he's been in weeks if not months. he likes the good headlines he's getting. he likes the cable coverage that
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says he's been brokering bipartisan deals. he's being a leader. combined with the positive response he's gotten for the most part for his response to the hurricanes, the president feels like he has a little bit of momentum and that he is, at least for now, wants to make across the aisle, reach across the aisle, make these deals, but i don't think any democrat necessarily thinks this is going to be a long-term proposition gloo robert, i was just going to say that schumer is according to ai lot of people in his life what lbj used to call one of those good government types. he does have a side to him that looks like he just got elected student council president in high school. he does believe in the process. cagey, partisan inside player, yes, but i think you just heard chuck schumer in his own words, that's what he sounds like. >> that's exactly what senator schumer is. whenever i'm at the capitol i almost always see him with his
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phone pressed to his face. but it's an old school phone, not an iphone that you can go on the internet on or send text message. it's a flip phone. and it reminds me he's the same generation as president trump. he has the same new york negotiating style. there has been a gap between the president and leader mcconnell and speaker ryan, even though they share a party, they don't share a temperament. the president will probably pay a political cost with his base. i've been on the phone with congressman king, so angry with the presidents term, really unsure, confused about what this all meant. was the president truly walking away from the base. could it be worked out in the coming weeks. breitbart was enraged today in numerous articles of the that's the site now run by steve bannon. and the president loves the press he's getting now, but remember there's a lot of things coming up. new deadlines. there will be more fights to come from the right if they feel angry about this move on
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immigration. >> so shannon, this anger in the base, anger on the right is real? >> oh, absolutely. and there's been a concern that this was going to happen, that he would get alienated from his base with steve bannon out of the white house and with general kelly, the new chief of staff, cutting off access to a lot of these old trump allies who, yes, were a distraction and would feed him false information, but sometimes but kept him tied and connected to the base. whether this is a political calculation of saying let's just put the base aside and let's focus on getting some deals done and it will come around, i don't know the answer to that yet. but the base is furious. and anybody who that comment i could go to fifth avenue and shoot someone, yeah, you could, but you still had to build that expletive wall. that's what the base would say. they want that wall. that was a deal breaker to them. and i don't know yet if he understands how important that was without some of these allies around him keeping him in touch with the base.
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>> witness laura inning ham's cutting comment about we're going to build samples of the wall. finally, jonathan la mere, a quote that came to our attention tonight. the president had the white house historical society over. and i'd like to give this a dramatic reading, because it blends what people have said tonight, a president learning on the job, an anti--- a noninstitutionalist with a president who also feels the need, as you may know, for super la tifs from time to time. here is what he said about the storm damage. you know, we had, as you know very well some of you are from texas, some of you are from florida, you both got hit. in texas you got hit with the largest amount of water anybody has ever seen i guess the largest ever recorded and in florida you got hit with the strongest winds ever recorded. it actually hit the keys with a it was a category 5. i never even knew a category 5 existed and they suffered greatly. learning on the job. >> the president's cable package certainly carries fox news.
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perhaps it doesn't have "the weather channel." this is not someone who has studied presidents of the past. there is a fascination early in the term about andrew jackson. that was really a steve bannon push. >> that's over. >> the president expressed no interest in andrew jackson, in fact i don't believe he ever mentioned him on the campaign. it was only after he was elected when bannon said hey, let's draw some populist similarities. this is a president who is feeling his way, who does not have much political experience. also does not have much of a sense of sort of the history of the office and only recently has shown some willingness to express the gravity of the office. he did when he made the decision to send some additional troops to afghanistan. he did perhaps not elegantly here with some of the hurricane response. >> and we're compelled to say we have jose in the atlantic and two more disturbances behind it, even though we have all made it through the height of hurricane season. our great thanks to our lead-off panel tonight. we learned a lot.
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thank you all. coming up, donald trump has taken his fair share of public sho shots at his attorney general jeff sessions, but we now know the extent of the humiliation behind closed doors. that and more when we continue. e
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attorney general. he should not have recused himself. almost immediately after he took office, and if he was going to recuse himself, he should have told me prior to taking office, and i would have quite simply
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picked somebody else. i want the attorney general to be much tougher on the leaks from intelligence agencies, which are leaking like rarely have they ever leaked before. i told you before i'm very disappointed with the attorney general. but we will see what happens. time will tell. time will tell. >> that's what he said about his guy in public. donald trump publicly rid kulg his attorney general jeff sessions this summer. tonight "the new york times" paints a vivid picture of just how trump treated jeff sessions in private. it was back in march when sessions recused himself because he had his own contact with russians during the campaign. in may trump fired james comey from the fbi post e leading to the appointment of robert mueller as special counsel. according to "the new york times" the white house received word about mueller's appointment while sessions was in the room,
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prompting president trump to berate the attorney general for recusing himself in the first place, calling him an idiot according to the times and asking for his resignation. the times reports here, quote, ashen and emotional, mr. sessions told the president he would quit and sent a resignation letter to the white house according to four people who were told details of the meeting. mr. sessions would later tell associates that the demeaning way the president addressed him was the most humiliating experience in decades of public life. let's talk about this. joining me now michael kroully, politico senior foreign affairs correspondent and our friend and former federal prosecutor paul butler. gentlemen, thank you both for coming on. michael, what stands out to you? this was obviously volcanic and diminishing and he mass lating. what stands out to you? >> well, the human drama, of
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course, brian and the sort of maybe from a certain perspective tragedy depending on where you stand the tragic comety of jeff sessions who went way out on a limb to support donald trump. bakds trump at a time when a lot of republicans didn't want to touch trump with a ten-foot poll and thought he didn't have a chance of winning. and sessions wound up winning the jackpot. looked like something of a political genius and in a way his dreams were coming true. he got this job that he had aspider for for decades, and then he's completely humiliated, made a fool of in the oval ofts in front of political colleagues and now essentially in front of the entire country. so, you know, take your pick. is it tragedy or tragic comedy. the one thing that i would say here is the total lack of self-awareness demonstrated by president trump in this
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outburst. the special counsel has been appointed. trump understands this is a disaster. robert mueller is obviously going to have a broad mandate to look at all kinds of things. the russia scandal is mes sizing before his eyes. this is because he fired james comey as fbi director, which we all heard steve bannon say a few days ago, even steve bannon says was the greatest mistake in modern political history. that's what this is about, not jeff sessions. donald trump continues to show no self-awareness about that. >> hey, paul, i a short question and a long one. the short one is do you know of any sensible washington lawyers who don't agree with the decision by sessions to recuse himself? >> sessions had to recuse himself because sessions himself had misled congress about his own dealings with the russians. so there's no way that sessions could objectively lead an investigation about whether the trump campaign colluded with the
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russians. but it's become obvious that the president does not want an objective investigation about collusion. >> all right. now, let's pick up where michael left off. if you're mueller, what's your reaction to reading this kind of play by play, kind of pathetic as it is in "the new york times"? >> so, again, trump opened the door to the appointment of mueller when he fired director comey. and so now he's been running scared. and prosecutors like puzzles. so mueller and his ace team of some of the country's best prosecutors and investigators are wondering, well, why is it that the president is running scared? what is it that he fears about an investigation? and typically the political line is i welcome an investigation
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because that will exonerate me. and so when we see the kind of increasing tentacles of the special counsel, "first look"ing at collusion, then obstruction of justice, real estate, tax and so forth, again, it's trump who is tell dprafg that there's a there there and this ace team of prosecutors aims to find out what it is. >> michael, the times piece is a hell of a yarn. it tells of other aides coming in and saying to the president not a good move to lose the attorney general and start again. so ultimately sessions' resignation is not accepted. sessions stays and hangs in there to see what to the finish? immigration. just this week look at what's happened to daca. again, i keep saying, michael, it makes the article read even more pathetic than its intended. >> again, brian, a tragedy, tragedy comedy. it could be either. it's just daush you couldn't make it up, as with so many
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things in this administration. and, you know, sessions is not the only person who has endured this kind of, you know, frankly humiliation. i mean, reince priebus was basically ridiculed by the president privately and publicly. there have been moments where paul ryan, i think, looked -- let's say at a minimum had to be questioning why he has gone as far as he has to defend this president in the eyes of many people looks like he's gotten thrown under the bus and maybe looked foolish on more than one occasion. and on a more serious note, brian, again on this question of trump's world view or self-awareness, the times article describes him berating jeff sessions for a lack of loyalty, showing no understanding that the attorney general's highest loyalty should be to the law, should be to the united states constitution, not to be a sort of, you know, lick spilgts to the president who protects him at all costs. and that is a very substantive, i think, miss apprehension that
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is really troubling. >> paul, you get our last word tonight. it was reported tonight that paul manafort's spokesman has been called before a grand jury for testimony. i know you don't love engaging in speculation. what kinds of things would paul manafort spokesman be asked about? >> well, what did paul manafort say? the thing with the special counsel is he's got this tool called a grand jury which can subpoena anybody and make them answer questions. so paul manafort we know has exposure with regard to really transactions. he was at this infamous meeting with donald trump. he probably talked to other people about it, including his spokesperson. so special counsel mueller gets to find out everything he said, all of the e-mail, any notes and not just with manafort but with
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everybody else who was at this meeting. again, this is going to be a long process, but special counsel mueller really seems to be heavy on the case. he's acting very differently, we have to note, from how sessions would have run this investigation, which is probably why trump wanted sessions to stay. >> and this man with manafort relatively minor player in this. this is a small kmapter, but it speaks to the awesome pure of a special counsel. gentlemen, thank you both, as always. >> thank you. >> another break for us. and coming up, hillary clinton responding to donald trump's latest attacks on her. also, appearing in this very studio earlier tonight. more on that after this.
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i believe that trump add meyers authoritarians. he doesn't just like putin. he wants to be like putin. he wants to have that kind of power that is largely unaccountable, unchecked. >> hillary clinton on rachel maddow's show just this evening and to talk about it with us tonight, new york times national political correspondent amy choseic, who was the paper's lead reporter covering hillary clinton and her campaign. and rick sentencing elis back with us as well, former under secretary for public diplomacy and public affairs at the state department. also formerly managing editor at time magazine. welcome to you both. amy, was anything there more
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strident than, a, you're used to or b, her tone in the book and other subsequent interviews. >> i thought it was pretty consistent with the book. during the campaign i used to joke with some of hillary's friends start a free hillary movement. why doesn't she -- it's very krs aland candid. for hillary. we're still within the bounds of cautious hillary. obviously shelves very comfortable with rachel and they're kind of kin dread spirits on the russia front, so they seem to have a rapport that allowed her to unleash about how shelves all these external forces impacted her loss. >> everyone who has seen her have said where was this candidate during the race? >> exactly. >> rick, at the end of rachel's broadcast when lawrence came on the air and asked rachel tonight what stood out to you, rachel answered, this next answer by
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hillary, we'll look at it together and talk about it on the other side. >> we now know that they were sowing discord during the election on facebook, anti-hillary clinton demonstrations. they were putting out all this fake news, all these negative stories that were untrue to really divide people. so if your government were going to say we're going to get to the bottom of this. look, we may have our disagreements among americans, we're not going to let the russians come in and divide us. and so we're going to make facebook own up to everything. they've just begun to own up. they have a long way to go before they get to where they need to be, in my opinion. other tech companies. we're going to go after these provac tours, these russians posing as americans, these
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content farms in macedonia, these thousand trolls, these tense of thousands of bots, because you know what? we have every right to have a vigorous debate in america, but we don't want it be interfered with and sub bornd by putin and his allies. >> now, while full disclosure, i have a family member who works at facebook, rachel referred to this in shorthand as hillary clinton's facebook answer. and it seems to me things at facebook are about to get damned interesting as they hearing calls like that. you're a veteran of the news media and of the government communication side and this is the whole new world everyone has been talking about. >> yes. let's talk about the government piece first. after russia anexted crimea, i spoke to hillary clinton and she said to me beware of russia disinformation. shends russia as well and better than anybody and that's why putin was so skeptical of
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herment to get to the media piece, i think we're at a new day now. when a media organization and even though marc does not call facebook a media organization, of course it is. when it is involved in the sub orange of our democracy, you can't hide things. i know there are certainly legal protections about protecting ads, we need to see that stuff and get to the bottom of it. and she was very strong in what she said about that. >> amy, is the alternative here that we are indeed doomed to repeat it because none of these bots are going away. look at the results they had on a minimal investment. they got right into us. >> right. and i think, i mean, as hillary clinton points out, we've learned a lot more about this after the election of the there's democrats saying why is she doing this book tour, why is she talking about this? frankly it's giving it attention. in my social media feed there was a lot of nostalgic of how knowledgeable she is about russia and longing for that kind of discussion.
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but i think we're learning more. this is the tip of the iceberg. and is she the perfect messenger since shelves like they impacted her loss, but maybe not. but she is an important voice and we'll continue to hear more. >> will we be older and wiser in 2020 on this or do you in fact worry about these same forgsz. >> i think we are already older and wiser and even though we may not be able to prevent it, we'll more aware of it and be more skept al, i hope. >> thanks both very much. come up, the president again, going there on his both sides comment post charlottesville. that discussion when we come right back. crest whitestrips whiten... ...25x better than a leading whitening toothpaste. nice smile! thanks! i crushed the tissue test. crest. healthy, beautiful smiles for life. whuuuuuat?rtgage offer from the bank today. you never just get one offer. go to and shop multiple loan offers for free!
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i think especially in light of the advent of antifa, if you look at what's going on there, you know, you have some pretty bad dudes on the other side also. and essentially that's what i
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said. now because of what's happened since then with antifa, you look at, you know, really what's happened since charlottesville, a lot of people are saying -- in fact, a lot of people have actually written, gee, trump might have a point. i said you've got some very bad people on the other side also, which is true. >> welcome back to the 11th hour. there it was today on air force one. mark land her of the new york times writes it this way. quote, president trump thrust himself back into the racial storms of charlottesville on thursday, repeating his charge that those resisting the neo-nazis and white supremacist were as much to blame as the alt-right crowds who marched on the virginia college town last month. the president made those comments while describing a conversation with south carolina republican tim scott, the only black republican in the u.s. senate. now tonight the white house has announced that president trump has signed the joint resolution
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from congress that urged the president to speak out against hate groups that espouse racism, he is treemism, zen oh phone i didn't mean and white supremacy. a lot to talk about. with us tonight, jillian ted, author and presidential historian michael besh laws is back with us, as is chicago tribune columnist clarence page. clarence, what was your gut reaction when you heard the verb age, when you heard he was going there again? >> well, i had an image in my head of president trump trying to dance through nuance with two left feet. he's a man who as we know, he talks in one syllable words and he talks in terms of black and white as if he's colorblind to gray and as a result he cannot say that there were some people who misbehaved on the side of the antifa folks, but most of the misbehavior came from the neo-nazis and the chance men.
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instead, he spoke in a way that seemed to equalize the two. and he can't get past that. that's why he could very comfortably sign this bill that condemns the raiseist, the ku klux klan, the neo-nazis, et cetera, but has a hard time saying it. he just is able to do it on paper. so i think this is something we're going to have to live with because president trump is the kind of guy that can never add many it that he makes a mistake or articulate something. so he keeps making the same mistake over and over again. >> michael, can you remember another time where a president has been corrected by a joint resolution or a joint resolution was used as a tool of congress to reset something internal to the president? >> no. in modern times who could have imagined that we'd be in a situation that the house and senate feel compelled to, you know, send the president this resolution demanding that he
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denouns white supremacists and then at the same time he gives this statement that we've been talking about on that plane. i think i have a slightly darker view of this than clarence does, a slightly more as seshic view which is that i think donald trump today was getting his head handed to him by conservative commentators who are angry about daca and the wall and he sort of cynically thinks by having a replay of these awful comments equating the people who were neo-nazis in charlottesville with those who were trying to protect the citizens of charlottesville against them, that somehow he's going to sort of blunt the anger of the conservatives. not going to work. >> jillian, none of our news stays here in this globe the way electronics are. how did the president's remarks on this subject specifically, this both sides business, how has this played around the globe? >> well, people are just
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completely astonished that people are still talking about this. and even more astonished that the president keeps stirring up this hornet's nest quite needlessly. and i spent a lot of time recently in the white house talking to people about what's been going on and essentially the issue is that, you know, people around him recognize, they're frustrated that it doesn't actually bring about much good doing this and yet president trump is somebody who simply cannot stand to be attacked. he has to prove that he's right. and for good or worse he does feel that there needs to be more of a spotlight on antifa and what they did. and so he keeps coming back to this point over and over again. but it's incredibly self-destructive in ways in trying to keep the white house on track with any kind of message or action. >> for our viewers who may not be familiar with antifa, may think it's some sort of long-term disability insurance, it is the anti---
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>> fascist. >> thank you very much. here i was explaining it and blangds on that word. all right. we'll put a pause on this conversation. when we come back, we're going to change the focus a little bit about the president's daughter. and this question, have expectations about ivanka trump and her ability to influence her father as a daughter, as a white house aid, have they been unrealistic? more on that in just a moment.
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i'm here to spread ideas, talk in the hopes that somebody more capable will come along and do that, somebody like donald trump who does not give his daughter to a jew. >> so donald trump but like more racist. >> a lot more racist than donald trump. i don't think that you could feel about race the way i do and watch that kushner bastard walk around with that beautiful girl. okay? >> that was a vice news documentary about the nationalists who organized the
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demonstration in charlottesville, virginia. the financial times writes this, for ivanka trump, the document remained charlottesville hit home in a way that other white house controversies have not. seeing those images and hearing her name invoked later on obviously made it very personal. someone familiar with her thinking told me. still, she made no additional public comments. we're still joined by jillian, michael and clarence. jillian, what was your overall take away from what was a big package of coverage here on ivanka and the headline is i will not be distracted by the noise? >> well, we did indeed do a big portrait and a big interview with ivanka about how she tries to make sense of her very conflicted job. and the portrait that emerges is really a woman who is in the middle of incredible conflict almost every day because she knows she got into this job by virtue of accident.
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critics would call it out right nep tichl. she was somebody regarded as a sign of her being loyal to her family and she seize herself as part of a team to support trump, to help her father. and yet at the same time she clearly has different views from her father on a number of issues. it's also become clear that she can't control her father. so she's trying to contribute and be part of the team as a loyal daughter and yet also keep some distance. and on charlottesville, no, she did not come out and do what so many critics would like to have her done, come out with a criticism of her father. she kept some distance while also being loyal, but that job is getting harder and harder every day and many people are asking why do it? >> michael, we've had presidential kids around before. i was thinking tonight fdr's son helped his father stand up along with his steel leg braces. >> right. >> we just have not had
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presidential kids around in this capacity. >> no, we haven't. and i think -- i thought that the ft jillian's paper, it's a wonderful piece. people should read it. two things really leemd out at me and that is it's sad that she works the media, she perfects her brand and i think we do have to mention that every time, you know, there seems to be a situation where she tries to influence her father, you know, in a different direction, we hear about it. you know, she spends an awful lot of time with newspaper reporters and others making sure that we know about every single time that she intravenous with the idea that we should celebrate this. and i think this article is one example of that. and when i was reading all of this i was thinking of robert kennedy, not the child of john kennedy but a brother, attorney general, big adviser. he was an ambitious man. could you have dreamt in a
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million years him going to a reporter these are all the did you mean mistake that jack made that i tried to get him not to do. >> clarence, he have an invite for the next possible time we can have you on. i owe you one. we just ran out of time because of our next segment. jillian, ted, and the great clarence page, a patient and for giving man. thank you all. we're back with more right after this. my fine lines here? visibly reduced in 4 weeks. chest, neck, and face cream from roc®. methods, not miracles.™
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last thing before we go here tonight is a little perspective. everything we've covered here this eepg, every word we've spoken, all of it has one thing in common. it's just about events happening here on earth. and as important as it all seems, it's so limiting. there is so much more out there. later tonight there will be a fleeting but bright flash with trailing sparks high above the planet saturn. it won't be seen by human eyes. it will be dwarfed by the giant planet nine times the size of
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earth. the flash will be the spacecraft ka seeny dying. after 13 years of navigating around saturn, swoopg through its gorgeous mysterious rings and its 62 moons, ka seeny took all the pictures you're going to see here tonight. it launched back in 1997. bill clinton in the white house and seinfeld was still airing original episodes. it flew through space for search years just to get there. it flew around for 13 more. and now ka seeny has run out of foul. it will send its last images in a few hours and the data will keep coming for ten hours after it's gone. and it's taught us so much. it found oceans on saturn's moons. it found moons we didn't know about, some of them oddly misshapen. it discovered giant moon guysers. it once sent a lantern down to show us giant moon mountain ranges. it has tracked massive storms on saturn and even captured us in a
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picture, a bright but tiny blue spec of light in the distance. there's no way to thank ka seeny, but we can thank the scientists who made it fly. it has quite simply been one of the greatest achievements of science ever thanks to the best and brightest here on board saturn's much smaller neighbor. that's or broadcast for tonight. thank you for being here with us. good night tonight on "all in." >> what do you say to people who call you amnesty don? >> mute they on the far right. >> that is the wall almost become symbolic? >> chuck and nancy ride ag


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