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news out of mechanicxico, but i meantime, donald trump threatened to totally destroy north korea in his first ever address before the u.n. general assembly. but that address takes place against the backdrop of two new reports from the russian investigation. first the "new york times," with detailed it cans of special counsel bob mueller's shock and awe strategy, and that raid on former campaign manager paul manafort. paul j. manafort was in bed early one morning in july when federal agents picked the lock on his front door and raided his home. they took binders stuffed with documents. the special counsel robert s. mueller then followed the house search with a warning. his prosecutors told mr. manafort, they plan to indict
him. cnn providing even more detail, reporting that, quote, u.s. investigators wiretapped former trump campaign manager paul manafort under secret court orders before and after the election, an extraordinary step video offing a high ranking official now at the center of the russian meddling probe. there was a period in which mr. manafort was known to talk to president donald trump. to hear what this means for the investigation, ashley parker, reporter with "washington post" and political analyst. former federal prosecutor paul butler, also an msnbc analyst, jeremy bash is a former national security analyst and the former chief justice of the department of justice also an msnbc analyst. jeremy, let me start off with you, because you and i have talked on so many occasions
about what incremental bits of news about this investigation could portend, what they might mean, this seems like a big one. explain how and why one goes about obtaining permission to wiretap someone? they skr have to go to a special court, and as i understand it, it's called a fisa court, can you walk us through all of this? >> sure. the government needs to show that there was probable cause to believe that paul manafort was not only committing crimes, but that he was an agent of a foreign power. and the investigator in this case has to go to a judge and submit an application for the judge to issue an order that would allow for the surveillance of manafort and that surveillance could be eavesdropping, could be reading hi his emails and also allowing a physical search and to actually go into his home. on top of that, in addition the government the investigating him for criminal activity, for
probable cause to believe that crimes have been committed. just to put this all in perspective. the idea that the campaign chairman of the trump campaign was working with russians, possibly an agent of the russians and committing crimes while doing so and it's an open question whether he was at the same time talking to the president or the presidential candidate at the time, president-elect. this is the most significant evidence that we have seen that bob mueller's investigation is zeroing in on the trump inner circle for violating crimes and violating national security. >> paul mnanunanimou manafort w be the donald trump family. and he was recruited into the president's inner circle, into the president's personal space if you will by ivana trump and jared kushner, if paul manafort at this time being investigated
for these types of crimes, what kind of exposure could there be for the president and his family? >> it all depends on what's on these wiretaps and we know there were probably conversations between donald trump and candidate donald trump that the fbi was listening to. there's two things here, one is national security. that's what fisa is focused, did paul manafort register as a foreign agent when he did all these shady dealings with the ukrainian government, if he didn't register, that's a federal crime. there's one fisa rule for that, they stopped because there wasn't enough evidence. >> he was a lobbyist who worked for that side of that conflict so that was the work he was doing, and it would have been a crime if he had not done the proper notifications to the government about the lobbying work he was doing, right. >> when work as foreign agents,
that's not against the law unless you don't report it. and there are people who trump has employed have not reported working for foreign governments. that's allegation number one. but apparently there wasn't enough evidence of that, so they stopped that eavesdropping, but then collusion, there were all these concerns based on other evidence that the bureau was gathering that the trump campaign was working with russians or having these weird conversations with russians and so that's -- >> they went back to the judge, that process that jeremy described, they went back and obtained a new warrant? >> now to investigate collusion, whether manafort himself was talking to russians, which they knew he was, what was the substance of those conversations, now mueller has all of that evidence. >> these approvals take place at the highest levels of the justice department. is it possible that president trump knew that fisa had
approved the surveillance of paul manafort? >> he should have. they continued into this year when jeff sessions became the attorney general and rod rosenstein became the deputy attorney general, they would have been briefed on those investigations and briefed on those warrants. when we came into the administration, the senior most officials were briefed on the largest cases and what steps the justice department was taking in those cases. but that said, it would be a grave breach of the separation, the independence of the justice department if they briefed the president on those wiretaps and on the fact that someone in his inner circle was being investigated. lt while the president has never been named as a target of the investigation, a subject of the investigation, it's his campaign from last year that was under investigation, it's his campaign, his associates that ultimately, mike flynn and paul
manafort that now are the targets of this investigation. so to brief him on the contents of what the justice department was doing and to tip him off would have been a great breach. and it sounds like he didn't have, because he continued to talk to paul manafort, months after it was public knowledge that manafort was under doj scrutiny and th. >> he didn't stop talking to paul manafort until his lawyers instructed him to do so. so it seems like the president in some ways was playing with five in legal terms? >> yeah, i will say, his lawyers have come under some scrutiny recently but that was actually quite sounded advice they gave him. and that's one of the challenges this entire time is that he's hired a legal team who are advising him and there's a
breakdown in communicating a message to the president, getting him to understand it and getting him to act on it in a responsible way. >> i feel like we could put up a count down clock to see when president trump is going to say, see, president obama wiretapped me, which is not the case at all? >> i don't think that would be an accurate tweet. >> that never stopped him. >> or plausible tweet. and this is something that people will look at if and when we see that tweet as a referendum or an indictment of his new chief of staff. but the one thing i have to say is that general kelly is controlling the information flow to the president. he's controlling the people who get in to see him. but what he can't control is the president himself and what the president watches on tv and what
the president tweets sometimes when he's alone. so what you raise is actually a possibility. >> some of the intelligence collected includes communications that sparked concerns among investigators that manafort encouraged collusion with the campaign. so while not conclusive, you've got three sources that say that manafort encouraged the russians to help with the campaign. what does that say to you? >> first of all, even if there was mere knowledge by paul manafort that the russians were interfering, then he would probably be violating federal laws against collusion, against computer hacking and federal laws for bidding interference in our elections by other states. if he encouraged them, i think that's conspiracy to commit
those crimes and he's in hot water. >> let me tell you what the "new york times" reports a characterization of the mueller probe and ask if you agree with it. he says they're setting a tone, it's important early on to strike terror in the hearts of people in washington or else you will be rolled. is mueller doing what every good prosecutor does? >> he's doing what ever good prosecutor does, mueller is going in in a public corruption investigation in a way that i have never seen before, especially this close to the white house, so he's sending -- >> and that's your specialty. you just blew my mind with that. you're seei ining mueller, and investigation into trump's campaign is something that looks to you as a mafia kick pin probe? >> if i had gone to my boss and said i want to do a search
warrant. >> tell us what that mean -- >> the fourth amendment requires that even if it's a search warrant you knock and announce. there's an exception if you think the folks are going to destroy the evidence, and you almost can never get those in public corruption cases, so mueller is sending a strong signal to manafort that he's going down, it's just a question of how far and for what? >> matt miller, it's been long rumored that manafort has done the kind of business, the kind of private practice work that some others in washington wouldn't touch. talk about the intersection of sort of that body of work, with a job at the highest levels of a presidential campaign. >> you're absolutely right, paul manafort's business goes all the way back to the '80s when he represented a number of foreign dictators, and his belehavior h gone to the outer limits of
those involved in politics and he worked for a ukrainian dictator to is a russian backed despot. so you look at paul manafort in the summer of 2016 when he joined the trump campaign, he had a number of skeletons in his close set. mo most people would not take on a position in american politics that would bring them under scrutiny. which is what happened, he became subject to a new federal investigation that led him to leave the campaign and ultimately going to lead him to be indicted. you ask him why he did that? he faced a cash crunch and i think he thought working for donald trump would bring in new business overseas, potentially if he won, but even if he lost. >> bring us back to the time when paul manafort entered donald trump's campaign and life. this is a campaign that
describes itself as sort of fly by the seat of their pants, and it's often their defense in a political context, but we're not talking about a legal context, we're talking about a shock and awe investigation by bob mueller that paul here just described as an investigation into a mafia family. talk about what the trump family, the kushner family, what they have stepped by getting in bed with paul mana fort? >> as you mentioned, sort of in that question, the campaign and the white house's defense has always been the backhanded, we were too stupid to collude, basically. and when paul manafort was brought in, this was a period where the president was basically facing what he believed to be a floor fight at the convention and potentially he thought having the nomination that was stolen away from him. and there was a seat of the pants aspect and this was a period where even then the call pain -- campaign couldn't
attract top talent, initially because it was going to other campaigns and then people saw that it was kind an unorganized campaign. especially frankly, that late in the presidential cycle. >> ashley just gave the perfect political analysis as to what the donald trump team faced when, but they us to the status of the investigation that the president and his inner circle are now facing with these two developments? >> it's possible that russia actually sent and dispatched paul manafort to the trump campaign, or at least that once paul manafort attached himself to the trump campaign, the russians said, okay, now our agent is inside.
and they tried to manay ed tiede campaign, through agents of influence. >> do you think it's possible if they're going to want to find out if manafort was a russian plant? is that one of the questions they want to answer? >> they're going to want to know if there were ties between paul manafort and russia, whether they were financial or otherwise, that caused him to in effect do russia's bidding. and whether wittingly or unwittingly doing work on behalf of the russians. and did trump know about it, did he know what manafort was doing, and did he know what flynn was doing and when he found out about the investigation why did he try to -- >> it's always this sort of incomp tense defense. is that a legal defense, we
didn't know that manafort was getting paid by the russians or is that simply a story you tell? >> ignorance of the law is never a defense, and you never want to say at the highest levels of the government, that you were too stupid to follow the laws in the highest office of the land. . and the president comes out swinging, threatening to totally destroy north korea and its rocket man and calling the iran deal an embarrassment. also al roker joins the table with the latest on hurricane maria and what is shaping up to be a devastating hurricane season. (vo) dogs have evolved,
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bob mueller is running his investigation the way bob mueller does everything, but -- two central questions, potential collusion with russia and potential obstruction of justice, we're joined on the phone by house intel committee member congressman eric swallwell. let me ask you, so jeremy bash who's here with us, and paul butler who is here with us,
jeremy says that one of the things the investigation is going to have to answer in light of this manafort news, that two fisa warrants were obtained to surveil him is whether or not russia placed him in the donald trump campaign. is that of interest to you? >> it's certainly of interest of whether the trump campaign, people who had prior relationships with ukrainian or pro ukrainian groups continued those relationships when they started working on the campaign. so that's something that our committee is also seeking to understand. >> that was one of his clients, the pro russia side of what would amount to a domestic debate in this country. but in ukraine, paul manafort was on the pro russia side. so your committee is seeking information about that body of work and whether it continue ed
during the trump campaign? >> we're seeking to interview paul manafort, not speaking for the others, but i want to understand just what was the degree of those relationships and did they continue when he worked for the president and his campaign and whether he was in contact with russians throughout the campaign. we know that he sat in on that june 9 meeting with don jr. and jared kushner. we know that he allowed carter page to go over to moscow during the pcampaign and we know that e decided on the platform change during the convention and ambassador kislayak was present and attending the convention. so he was a central figure with prior relationships with russians and pro russian ukrainians, and it seems like that may have continued while he was working on the campaign. >> there's certainly a lot of pro russia connections there.
the "new york times" detailing, i don't know the technical work for it. but when they just barge in. i guess a no-knock, what's it called, paul butler? >> a no-knock warrant, when you barges in and you pick up all the evidence you can because there's some fear that it might not be there if you go through always the polite niceties, what does that tell you about bob mueller's probe? >> of course we can't confirm anything we have heard on the committee one way or the other. but as a former prosecutor, that tactic would be used if you wanted the element of surprise, if you wanted to maximize the amount of evidence you could seize and prevent from being destroyed and at least at the state level, it's something that a judge has to, it's an extra box that the judge has to check, which is night service authorized, or no-knock authorized because it is an elevated means of going in. and also, i'll just say, with
respect to electronic surveillance, the threshold for obtaining an electronic surveillance warrant is purposefully very high and can only be obtained by persuading the judge that there's sufficient cause. so if this story is true, you have an independent judge who would have signed off on that. >>. and you're now talking about a fisa court operating on two occasions the wiretap for mr. manafort, right? >> i'm talking about if electronic surveillance was conducted, of course a search warrant was also signed off by a judge, and i do believe at the federal level, you also have to ask as well to have service during darkness or to enter without knocking. >> and in both cases, a very high standard has to be met. i wonder if you as a member of the house intelligence committee will have access to or will seek
to have access to anything that was collected under those fisa warrants? >> it would help that whatever bob mueller is able to do, once a decision is made and whether indictments are issued or not, that there would be a two-way street of information sharing, i think we can help his investigation in many ways and once it is concluded, he can help ours. i think the american people would benefit if we were all speaking from an agreed upon set of facts. >> congressman, thank you so much for jumping on the phone and spending time with us, we appreciate it. paul butler what do you make of the fact that now that we know that bob mueller has this information, now the house intel committee interested in this information. what does this mean for mr. manafort and the donald trump campaign? >> now there's going to be some back and forth between the house and senate committees, mueller the special counsel. mueller will win that fight, and
if there's going to be indictments, that reportedly he told manafort that he was going to be indicted. it may be a while for the house and senate. they're focused on national security, and that's very important. mueller is focused on national security and criminal acts so criminal takes precedence. >> the national security aspects obviously dominate a lot of our attention and our focus, what was russia doing, were they meddling in our election, but this is also a criminal investigation. >> when bob mueller took over the investigation, i sort of thought at the end of the day is do what ken starr did in the clinton investigation, is to issue a large report to congress, and say over to you, congress, to determine whether violations of national security occurred and if anyone needs to be held accountable politically.
but he's going for criminal law violences, bringing people before the grand jury, subpoenaing evidence and conducting search warrants and trying to squeeze witnesses against higher targets. and more on the russian investigation today. president trump's attorney was set -- ken, thanks for being with us on such a busy day, what do you know? >> back in july when jared kushner had a similar closed door appearance before the senate intelligence committee, he went out and gave what some lawmakers say is a self-serving statement in public denying collusion with russia and they didn't want that to happen with michael cohen, so they reached an agreement that neither side would talk to the media. but at 10:00 this morning, mr. cohen made a statement of a
blanket denial of collusion with russia and that so annoyed the lawmakers from both sides, both parties in the senate intelligence committee that they cancelled his appearance and signaled they may subpoena him if they can't agree to another voluntary appearance. >> what are they looking for from cohen, with his potential business interests and the campaign? >> generally, mr. cohen has been donald trump's personal lawyer for more than a decade, he knows the ins and the outs of the donald trump administration like no other. so a lot of questions they may have about how the business was run and any potential entanglements with russia. specifically, of course. mr. cohen was involved in a proposed donald trump tower building in moscow that didn't come to fruition, but was happening during the presidential campaign and wasn't disclosed until just recently. now michael cohen, in that statement today, explicitly
denies in very specific terms collusion with russia. he said i have never engaged with, been paid by, paid for or conversed with any member of the russian federation or anyone else to hack democratic party computers and i have never been paid by or conversed with any member of the russian federation or anyone else to help the trump campaign or to damage the clinton campaign. but that leiaves a lot of possibilities to question him about. >> your thoughts about the two big developments, one, news from the "new york times" that paul manafort was told that he will be indicted and two that two fisa warrants were issued to listen to paul manafort? >> and i should say that nbc news has not confirmed either of their developments, but the fisa
warrant is to me huge, because it raises the question, depending on when this warrant was issued, the second one, what donald trump was told about it, if anything, did the committee -- he continued to talk to his friend, mr. manafort, either way it raises fascinating questions and we're sure to hear more about this. >> and we're sure that bob mueller will get to the bottom of it. thanks to my panel. now to that breaking news out of mexico city following a powerful 7.1 earthquake, images there look dire, showing many buildings that have partially or fully collapsed and images of first responders searching for surviv survivors, president trump just tweeted about it, god bless mexico city, we are with you. >> you see at the bottom of your screen, a government official in mexico city confirming to
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regimes that violate every principle on which the united nations is based. they respect neither their own citizens nor the sovereign rights of their countries. if the righteous many do not confront the wicked few, then evil will triumph. if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy north korea. rocket man is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime. >> oh, to be a fly on the wall at elton john's house, borrowing a nickname from one of his details, calling it the country led by rocket man. peter alexander was apparently added to the speech this morning. there is a lot to cover in this speech. but president donald trump
appeared to be fixated on north korea. so joining us is our panel. let me start, i want to hear from both of you at the same time, but since that doesn't work on tv, let me start with you on north korea. >> i think this reporting is significant that trump it went from a tweet to a speech at the u.n. general assembly in less than 24 hours, general kelly is in charge of the white house now, this tells you that this is a message that donald trump personally wanted to convey. >> you're a parent, you sort of pick your battles. so i got him to read the prompter, i'm just not going to fight him on the rocket man. >> i know you get shouted down every time. but then a mom says, you know,
my kids, you're not supposed to respond to a bully by calling them names too. >> you're a better parent than me. >> no i've been wide by decried on twitter for pointing out that donald trump, you know is calling people names and apparently some people think that's okay. but it underscores why did he do it? it clearly is something that is resonating with his base, the alpha male foreign policy instincts of trump remain. what's interesting is they co-exist with a different set of impulses in his speech. it's actually kind of contradictory speech, some of which are in line with standard republican foreign policy views, but then it's cloaked in a very dark rhetoric, and some people compare it to the american carnage inaugural address, this is kind of a global carnage version of it so we're left in a
sort of trumpology, trying to figure out which of these messages is significant and that's why i come back to rocket man, significant because he put it in there. >> immediately after this speech i was thinking, what are people going to talk about? clearly it's the rocketman item. i spoke to a aide to the president and he said that the president doesn't need any help with branding and he said he thought about it a few times and added it to the speech this morning. suffice it to say how much thinking went into this and how much was gut instinct. this is a president that's really become so good at kind of playing all to the audience, it's good when he looks in between the monitors and looks out and goes with the moment. there was no going to the moment today. this is the same tune that he would play at a rally in arizona today that he played at the united nations. but the audience didn't respond
the same way. >> on that point, i saw him pause where he thought that someone would start chanting and sort of absorb the silence. >> it i had the same reaction as well, yeah. >> a lot of the talk in town today is about his comments about iran. >> right. right. and this goes back to what susan was saying all the darkness and the danger, the threats, that didn't obviously just direct themselves towards north korea, there was also the iran part and that's the part that's also very disturbing to those of us who really don't want to drum up a new crisis with iran and this manufactured crisis with north korea, because i don't think we need to be where we are with north korea. but with iran, it looks like the president is signaling the possibility, he and his folks might be contemplating using military action against north korea and with iran, actually
pulling out of the nuclear agreement. the iranians may be on to this, i will admit before me, because i was in a small meeting with president rouhani and some other folks yesterday evening and the iranians talked like they were ready if the americans walked away from the agreement. but they also counter, why should we talk to you about anything else, like terrorism, or destabilizing actions in the middle east, if you're going to walk away from the nuclear agreement, by the way an agreement that was painstakingly negotiated and they brought it to the united nations. something was sanctioned by the international community, worked on so hard, and as they put it, if one person doesn't like it, that's it? >> to be fair, some of the criticism of the iran deal is that it left so many things out. that it was just a nuclear arrangement. that we left people being held
captive there when the group that was released came home, after the deal was first made and the plane full of cash landed, they didn't bring everyone home, bob levinson is still there, his health and well-being is not known. they also didn't do anything about iran's role in iraq, that wasn't part of the negotiation. so some of what i have heard today in town, isn't that we pull out, isn't that it's binary, but perhaps the adults in the room can convince the president to just use the threat of pulling out as leverage to maybe add more things to the deal? >> president trump has bragged all along about his skill as the master negotiator. and believe that you had an article about his negotiations over the course of, you know, since he began his presidency. and right now, that track record isn't exactly reassuring. >> there's nothing on it. >> especially when you look at the escalation with north korea. my take away from this u.n. general assembly is that this administration is definitely
planning to get out of the iran nuclear deal or some significant -- >> he said as much. >> or some significant renegotiation, it is happening soon, within months and the other take away from this speech that we're not talking about just because of north korea and i ran, the regime change in venezuela which is shaky territory for the president to broach at the same time that we're trying to disincentivize north korea about regime change. >> a lot of people were struck that he started off with his own domestic accomplishments. >> it was typical trump, he sort of takes advantage of in moment, back at home, want to know that the stock market is doing well. everything is doing well. and by the way, let's talk about some other topics, around north
korea, syria and venezuela. >> it was stunning. >> it doesn't happen like that traditionally at these things, and it makes you wonder what the 1 190 foreign leaders were thinking. >> he invokes the marshall plan and he talks about how we're getting ripped off and we pay too much for the u.n. there were so many disparate parts, and the ideal of principal realism and mass annihilation. >> yeah, eliminate north korea. >> he's put out a very interesting foreign policy things, several countries are going to hell. how many countries?
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pride that he's settled on. >> and the "new york times" had some extraordinary reporting on how the president screamed at general kelly that was the most brutal tongue lashing that he had ever ereceived in his military career. >> i think it's par for the course when you work for someone who is a bully, that's all it is. >> he mentioned russia in his speech, and with north korea and i ran as the two boogie men in the room, in donald trump size, doesn't russia play a role in making both those problems worst for america? >> he focused on aside from that token reference, really didn't talk about russia, while at the same time, adopting in a way russia's rhetoric. this whole idea that we respect sovereign countries, sovereignty, this is the agenda of russia and china on the world
stage to say basically we're done with lectures from america and it's democratic allies we don't want you to patronize us or impose your system on us, so that was right from the russian that is from russia's playbook. and secondly, because he refused to call out the main authoritarian leaders and countries that you would presumably would fall under his doctrine of when you would intervene. it is a schizophrenic approach to the world. we are left where trump wants us to be, which is trumpology. donald trump likes nothing more than we have sit here and try to get inside his head and figure out what foreign policy is. >> let me ask you asking i hadered from a journalist who covered the bush presidency and the obama presidency. she said so much for american exceptionalism.
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less than two weeks after irma hit the virmin islands and puerto rico, they are once again 4u6r7kerring down as they prepare for hurricane maria to make landfall tomorrow. puerto rico is directly in maria's path. the island has already taking in thousands of irma evacuees and portions of the island are still without power. a state of emergency has already been declared in anticipation of maria's landfall. al roker with the "today" show joins us now. i'm sorry we keep contamination you oufr. >> this is rough. puerto rico hasn't had a direct hit of a hurricane since 199 #. of course, everybody rurs hugo from 1989.
two storms now, hurricane jose still a category 1. but the one we are watching is maria right now. this storm is really starting to get something going here. steven, if you could hit the button, this doesn't seem to be working right now. basically as we look at where maria is -- oh, steven if you would hit the button on the computer, because it's not moving. category 5 -- low tech there. when they moved the big monitor from over there to over here something went loose. >> this is not the "today" show. >> not the "today" show, ladies and gentlemen. anyway it's nice to be here. 80 miles southeast of st. croix. 165 miles per hour winds moving west-northwest at 10 miles per hour. here's the track. thursday or should say wd it makes its way into puerto rico as a category 4, maybe 5 storm with 150 miles per hour winds. continues on sunday between the u.s. and bermuda. let's look closer at the impacts of what this will mean. so the virgin islands tonight.
150 miles per hour winds. and 11 foot storm surge. more than 15 inches of rain. by tomorrow morning at 8:00:it makes landsfall in puerto rico probably as a category 5 storm. six to nine foot storm surge. we are talking about rainfall of 20 to 25 inches hitting the northern mountains and pushing its way down. that's going to be devastating. towards the turks and caicos on friday. over 125 miles per hour winds. still a category 4 storm. five to eight feet of a storm surge. up to a foot and a half of rain. it is going to be a mess. hurricane jose, this goes to show you you don't need a big hurricane to cause big problems. we are seeing lot of flooding of it's 285 miles south-southwest of nantucket. 75 miles per hour winds. it's moving north-northeast at eight miles per hour. here's the interesting thing about jose. it makes by friday a loop
deloop. the good -- we don't want jose actually to go away. because between this and a couple of areas of high pressure that should help push maria out to sea. if for some reason jose kind of died down we would have to probably worry about jose coming in making landfall somewhere along the southeastern united states. but here are the effects we are seeing from jose. winds. we are looking at strong winds. anywhere from 30 to 60 miles per hour as you get up to cape cod. we are going to see surf and beach erosion. already seeing that going on right now from new jersey into new england. and rainfall amounts around the nantucket will be the heaviest, five the seven inches of rain. >> when was the last time you saw a hurricane season where the same spots got battered repeatedly? >> the interesting thing we have never had a season where we have had a category 4 storm or higher make landsfall in the united states. last time we had a hurricane season like this was 2007, and
before that was 2005 when we had katrina and it went to wilma and beyond. we don't have el nino and don't have dust coming off the african coast. those two kbooins combined make for potent hurricanes. >> thoughts and prayers for everyone in the paths. we will post how you can help those people on our twitter and the on our website. al roker the only good thing about the hurricane season is our chances to see you. mtp daily starts with katie in for chuck. congrats on the best selling book. >> thank you very much. see you later. if it is tuesday, it's three times the trouble for the white house. tonight, president trump's u.n. debut. >> rocket man is on suicide mission for himself. and for his regime. >> how the world is reacting to the