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threat. courage is not in short supply. gone to work on the rubble with a complete disregard for all in with chris hayes starts now. tonight on all in -- >> mr. manafort who is by the way a respected man. >> more fallout from the wire tap reports as the president's personal attorney is sent packing by senate investigators. >> it was a request of the senate intel to postpone. i will be back. >> the latest on the investigations into trump and the russians and then -- >> simply put, trump care is a sham. >> new movement to repeal obamacare. >> paul ryan told me to my face, if you pass it, we pass it. >> the president brings his tweet storm to the un. >> rocket man is on a suicide
mission for himself and for his regime. >> the member of congress arrested outside donald trump's new york home joins me live when all in starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. another outlet backs up the report that paul manafort was wire tapped before and after last year's campaign. we are getting a clearer picture being adopted to get answers in the russia probes. it's not just special council robert mueller whose agents picked the lock on his home and threatened him with an indictment. the senate intelligence committee is playing "hardball" as well, cancelling a private interview with michael cohen, a long time business associate and opting to subpoena him to compel him to testify in public. we learned recently about cohen's efforts to make a deal
on a trump tower in moscow. working with felix, a russian born developer and known mob ties who worked on past projects with the president. in e-mails obtained and published, he bragged to cohen about his kremlin saying i will get putin on this program andy woo will get donald elected. that's not his only link to the russia investigation. they were also behind a back channel plan reported in february to end the years long conflict between the uk and russia on terms favorable outlining a way to lift sanctions to russia which is a major goal of vladimir putin. on the steel dossier that alleges long-term cooperation between trump world and the russian government. cohen was named as a go between said to have met with clem lynn officials in august of 2016 and consistently rejected the claim. this morning his attorneys arrived for the agreed to closed
door meeting with the senate intelligence committee staff. they were least text of cohen's opening statement. he denied that they colluded with russia, but that release of that statement, that did not sit well with the committee who said they had asked him not to make any public comments. after an hour, he was done. the rest of the interview postponed. >> why was it postponed? >> that's a question you will have to ask the senate. >> was it your request to postpone? was it your request to postpone or was it -- what were you doing here today? >> it was a request by the senate intel to postpone and i look forward to getting all the information. >> what do you tell the president? >> the republican and democratic committee said we were
disappointed that he decided to preempt the interview by releasing a public statement prior to his engagement in spite of the committee's request. as a result we declined to move forward and we will reschedule his appearance before the committee in open session at a date in the near future. the committee announced they have him testify on october 25th and if he does not comply, they are ready to use subpoena power. the congressman is a democratic member of the house intelligence conducting their own russia investigation. congressman, your reaction to what went down today with michael cohen in the senate? >> good evening, chris. wouldn't it be nice if he just cooperated because it's the right thing to do or because he loves this country and wants to help the senate and the house understand how we were attacked and whether anyone worked with them? these guys only understand one way. that seems to be really compelling them.
and forcing them to have to come forward. they only acknowledge contacts with russia after all of their denials are exhausted and they are confronted by the press or investigators. if that's the way it has to be, we will get to the bottom of this no matter how much they try to duck, hide, obstruct. you encouraged by the fact that this is a joint statement by the chair, richard burr who is a republican and the ranking member together about this? there seems to be that fair degree of consensus at the top between the chair and the ranking member. >> yes. that is very encouraging and i hope that they are able to bring him in. hear from him in public. again, he only served himself by issuing a statement before going forward. they didn't help the senate investigation at all and the only way now to find out what happened is to drag him in there literally under compulsion from a court.
>> is this a thing that happens often? i was fascinated with how this all went down which was a sort of protracted set of negotiations under which conditions michael cohen would come before the committee and answer questions and an agreement that he especially jetsons the agreement. is this an agreement with the people who come before it? >> see seek to have people come in voluntarily so you don't have to go the hard way. the easy way is agree on a date and a time and the parameters and of course perhaps what is turned over. that worked for us with most of the witnesses. it it doesn't work, you have to decide as a committee, do we want to compel them to come in. it's unfortunate that's that that's the case, but both sides are starting to see who these people are. whether it's the president or his family or campaign or people who don't want to cooperate.
they don't want to assist in the investigation. are we curious enough and do we have the will and the courage to do what's right? >> i would like to get your reaction from the house intelligence, one of the three bodies investigating what happened with the campaign and russia. to the reporting yesterday that there was a fisa warrant under which paul manafort was having phone conversations tapped and listened to and surveilled. that was during the period late summer into the fall and after the election. what do you make of that? >> considering, chris, how determined and how sophisticated the attack was that the rugs carried out, i hope our investigators are as dogged in pursuing who was responsible. i can't speak to or confirm whether or not that warrant existed, but getting electronic warrants has to be signed off by a judge and there has to be evidence. that's a means of last resort to go to that and the courts will
ask what else have you done that justifies us allowing you to do this? that means there was evidence out there. >> does it blow your mind a little bit to consider the fact that this is an individual under a fairly rarified form of surveillance, fisa and lots of questions about how that interacts with the citizenship and the due process protections they have. that a person under warrant like that is speaking to the incoming president of the united states and probably recorded and surveilled. >> you know, the reports that i read on cnn and the "new york times" is that it may have been for prior contacts with pro russian ukrainians and whether that's true or not, we don't know. i think that paul manafort's
prior contacts with russia and the ukrainians and prior contacts and carter page's contact were not disqualdisquali they are bullet points on the resume. those leaped off the page and made them more appealing knowing how the president views russia and it helped them get the job and not preventing them from keeping it or being in his ear. >> thank you as always. >> my pleasure. >> for more on where the russia investigation is headed, let's go to the watergate prosecutor and contributor who is a former federal prosecutor. i want to continue on that end on the reaction to the news about manafort. there is a statement from his spokesperson that said the following. i will read it and get reaction. the u.s. department of justice's inspector general should immediately conduct an investigation into the leaks and examine the mowvation behind the effort to surveil a political
opponent. they release the intercepts on him and any non-americans or interested parties can come to the same conclusion as the doj. there is nothing there. what do you make of that statement? >> it seems like something that typically people who are thinking that they are going to be indicted do. that's to point the finger at the prosecution and try to put them on trial, so to speak. the same thing was done in, for example, by dennis haster who was the speaker of the house from here in illinois. when there was leaks about his investigation, he claimed he was going to dismiss the indictment and he was going to get the remedies. from a legal perspective, if manafort was indicted, none of this would result in a dismissal of the indictment or legal consequences. he is complaining that look, he has constitutional rights. he doesn't want the jury pool tamper and he is upset that
there were leaks. he doesn't know where they were from. this is from somebody outside the government, but we don't know for sure. >> jill, he is speaking as if it's all but certain that manafort will be indicted and indeed the reporting we got from the "new york times" said his people told him that. is that your expectation? >> i only know what i read in the new york times and it sounds like he has been told he will be indicted. there seems to be more than ample evidence for financial crimes at least. we don't know what was learned on the fisa warrant. we will have to wait and see what comes out of that. >> there is two directions and a number of directions this has been moving. one is that the news that mueller has been back and forth with facebook about their data.
of course got the information that ads were paid for and they believe especially foreign entities from russia for campaign ads. you were writing about what you thought the significance was of mueller subpoenaing a facebook content. why do you think that's a big deal. >> to be clear, just to go, it was a search warrant on facebook. i think that is significant because what it means is that mueller went to a judge and showed the judge evidence that indicated to the judge that a federal crime had been committed. this this case the contributions were made by foreigners using facebook. what that tells me is that mueller is closing in on that as a potential charge. if he does that, that means
there is potential liability for people in the united states. as long as somebody knew about that and knew about what the russians were doing and helped them succeed in some way, they are also liable for the crime. that is aiding and abetting. the reason that is a game changer, until now a lot of the things we have been talking about like jill was saying, the financial crimes or obstruction that occurred here in the united states, there is a prospect that if mueller found a time where a united states person here and someone here as an american had helped the russians, you can see an indictment with a russian person's name on it and an american person's name on it. that's shocking. >> jill, when i was reading the news yesterday i was thinking about the psychology and i wanted to ask you about your work in the watergate investigation. part of this is a law and part is politics and part is a psychological enterprise which is how the people who are targets or subjects in the investigation are thinking about how they will cooperate or not cooperate. i wonder how much when you were working on the watergate investigation how much you collectively thought about the impact you were having on potential witnesses and how you conducted yourself and how they would make that determination. >> i think it is something that is always on the mind of a prosecutor.
to use all the tools at your disposal. sometimes that is a fear factor which is what is being suggested here for mueller. i think what he is doing seems to be completely in the bounds of what is ordinary and proper investigative techniques. he is pursuing the right people wherever he finds the lead, he's going. he is following it where it is taking him in figuring out the truth. some of this we read, manafort's fizy warrant goes back before the campaign and had to do with his representation of ukrainians. it had nothing to do with the campaign. it just then expanded as we got into more and more. i think that's something that can always happen. once you start looking, you don't know where it will lead and you have to follow the leads everywhere they take you. that's what mueller is doing which is quite proper. >> you point to what is a big question. if there was a previous fisa warrant that led to the wire
tapping of manafort, what triggered the second round that is a key question we will have answered soon enough. thank you. >> thank you. >> still ahead, the republican race to repeal obamacare gains steam yet again. cory booker joins me on that ahead. what happened when the president tested out his twitter material in front of the united nations. coming up in just two minutes. start the interview with a firm handshake.
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a senior official said the president thought about it a few times before then making the decision to include in his remarks his nickname for the leader of the nuclear armed north korea, kim jung un. >> the united states has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy north korea. rocket man is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime. >> with me now is retired colonel wilkerson and contributor who wrote multiple books about facilitating that interview earlier today. colonel wilkerson, i will start with you. your sponsor reactions to the president's speech today, particularly on the issue of north korea. >> chris, my first reaction was
he read it from the teleprompter. that means at least hr mcmaster and probably got a look at the speech. that was the most a proeshs speech i have heard a president give in any venue. i later picked up the news that secretary mat i guess talked about options, military options, usable against the btrk that would not endanger seoul or the citizens of south korea. i have been down that route with the u.s. air force in 2002 and 2003. that is absolute bull. if jim mattis is thinking he can use military force against north korea with no repercussions, this is unbelievable. >> the two most important parts of the speech were on north korea and iran.
the closest points of crisis. you have an interesting juxtaposition. there is no framework to deal with in north korea. obvious desire and increaing ability to produce weapons. with iran there is. it looks like the period is trying hard to undo that. >> the iran deal was one of the worst and most one-sided transactions the united states has ever entered into. frankly that deal is an embarrassment to the united states and i don't think you have heard the last of it. believe me. >> if we leave aside the obnoxiousness of the speech, it's self defeating at the end of the day. it's completely self defeating. if the intention of the trump administration is to renegotiate the deal or fix it or nix it, he is not going about it the right way. how is he incentivizing the
europeans who he just insulted by saying they made the worst most embarrassing deal. saying you are stupid for having made this deal and wants to renegotiate the deal and get past the clause as netanyahu has demanded. he also then insults the iranians and puts them in a corner where they will not react positively to any suggestion of renegotiation. if they were going to talk about negotiating something on top of the jcpoa, now they are not going to. we will see a reaction in his speech at the un. >> colonel, how much -- a lot of this main themes of the speech were about going it alone and a real emphasis on sovereignty. sovereignty he said 22 times. that's something that a lot of world leaders will bang the drum on. often folks that are sort of traditionally more skeptical of the international system built
afterworld war 2 for china or vladimir putin. what did you think of the sovereignty theme? >> it's dangerous. let me point out something else to pick up on your previous remarks. what we are looking at right now is while trump is pontificating at the united nations with regard to mueller and the investigations is falling award as to say he can't talk to moscow because of that and because of his actions with regard to the jcpoa, we are ignoring what's happening in syria. the syrian army on a russian amphibious bridge with hezbollah and elements and russian air power backing them across the euphrates river on monday and building up forces on the other side of the euphrates. that will be in direct contention with our forces and
those we support. we are taking our eye off the ball to pontificate at the united nations. this is very dangerous. >> do you think -- what is the nature of whatever back channels that exist between the united states and iran at this point? one of the things that happened with the development of this agreement is infrastructure was built to create the conditions for talking that did not exist because of the hostage crisis and the lack of diplomatic relations. those presumably persist. >> it's called the joint commission. >> you have the u.s. side saying they are abiing by the deal and the president saying he wants to get out of it. is there work happening to keep things moving forward? >> yeah. the europeans are helping to do that. the eu foreign minster puts together the joint commission that and they meet every six months. it's not at the level of minsters and not at the level of
foreign minsters and secretary of state. tomorrow for the first time in the trump administration, rex tiller son is meeting with the foreign minster of iran. the first time they will have direct contact and in that commission that is there to handle disputes or the implementation of the deal. >> the rhetoric on north korea, there was a piece "the new yorker" that is trying to game out how this rhetoric refracts through north korea's understanding of the u.s., what is your best guess of how this gets to them? >> north korea is a cult state. it is the most reg mented society in the world. anyone who thinks military or otherwise that north korea won't fight to the very death with every citizen's blood is thinking nonsense. that's why jim mattis's statements disturbed me. i heard those briefings before
that we can get 85% or 90% of the underground facilities with a first strike capability. that is utter nonsense if he is believing that sort of stuff. if he thinks there are military options, we are in trouble. >> it has been 63 years of sort of going through the calculations on this and coming back to the same point as regarding military options on the korean peninsula. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> a democratic congressman arrested at the new york home of donald j. home. live on set to explain ahead and have you liked our page on facebook? you are missing an experiment.
>> horrific, terrifying images out of mexico after a 7.1 magnitude earthquake struck the state southeast of the capital. destroying buildings and sending people running into the streets. it hit just hours after drills were held across mexico city on the very anniversary of that massive earthquake that killed thousands of people back in 1985. today's quake was a second to hit that country in the last two weeks. at least 119 people are dead. meanwhile, another natural disaster threatening the u.s. territory of puerto rico. hurricane maria is expected tomorrow as a dangerous category 4 or 5 storm. the island has not been hit with a category 5 for over a century.
tend to daca, many immigrant groups remain skeptical which is why about 40 people showed up at nancy pelosi's san francisco office yesterday to voice their discontent. today another group showed up outside the president's home here in new york to protest his decision to end daca. 10 people reportedly arrested including these three u.s. congress men. one released from jail is luis gutierrez from chicago. why did you get arrested today? >> it's important that we bring attention and keep the focus and tell everybody around the country to mobilize. the strategy is to be in the cowers. we are doing that. we have a legislative strategy. the most court is the court of public opinion and keeping people. i like to think as i said this morning, i grew up and how did i get my rights? people said let luis vote? because people protest and put their freedom on the line so i could have a voice.
>> you were arrest and put in the back of a police vehicle. >> in the back of the paddy wagon in little cages. >> driven down. >> 60 or 70 blocks. >> you coming back to new york? >>. >> i have to come back and i didn't know about that, but it's fine. >> it works. >> i want to come back to new york and see you and not have an arrest warrant out for me. >> i guess you are doing this because you want to shine a light on this issue. are you scared that it's going to disappear off the front pages? >> the muslim ban, we don't talk too much about it. transgender community? now we are talking about 30 million people losing health care because the republicans are coming back. you know, we just have to understand. if you talk to the immigrant community and you are part of it every day, you see the fear. you see the trepidation that exists. it's hurtful. it's painful to see that.
i top the say we are fighting. one of the things i used to tell obama, president obama, win or lose, they want a quarterback. they want somebody to move the ball down. >> at least get caught trying. >> yes, yes. >> i thought the pelosi moment was fascinating. that's part of a long lineage of protests of democrats. barack obama himself who was sort of protested over deportations and not having daca. i have bernie sanders on the show responding to your frustration to the deal that chuck and nancy cut. i want you to listen to what he said and respond. >> okay. >> it's one thing to talk for vently about the issues, but we need 60 votes. if luis can get us the 12 republican votes, we are ready to move. the goal is to win this thing. >> their argument is there is a filibuster problem and you need republican votes.
what do you say to that? >> when we got the majority if you were with me and i had gone to the new majority, you know what they told me? get me 50 republican votes. i hear the echo of the democrats. bernie is an independent, but he sounds like a democrat in the house or the senate leadership. if you would only get me the votes. this is about fighting. >> the fighting -- i hear that, but the fighting, there has to be some strategy. >> okay. 70 republicans didn't vote for the debt ceiling. didn't vote for the continuing resolution and didn't vote for relief for the texas hurricane relief in harvey. please tell me the last time we approved a budget without overwhelming democratic support. i can't remember. they have an operating majority of 155. >> they do not give them the votes in the house? >> here's what i'm saying. i don't want to close the
government down, but if you have a republican budget with republican ideals and republican values that say to dreamers we are not going to allow you to prosper in this country and feel safe in this country. we do it with lots of pride and i'm proud to stand with democrats. when are we going to do it on immigration. >> thanks for coming by. still to come, why republican governors are coming out against the latest attempt to repeal and replace the last stand of obamacare. cory booker is ahead.
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should not be allowed to use a teleprompter. it's true. it's true. it's so easy. you don't know what you are going to get. look what happened with obama. he was a teleprompter guy. >> in the campaign, he himself became a teleprompter guy. >> i would have known teleprompters, i started to use them. you never get yourself in trouble when you use a teleprompter. the problem is it's too easy. we have a problem that uses teleprompters. it's too easy. >> it's not so easy. you have to be able to read the words correctly that is where president trump's teleprompter evolution had a curious new maneuver on display this morning at the un. >> our hope is a word and world of proud independent nations. >> see what he did there? thing two in 60 seconds. oh...sorry i'm late sir...had a doctor's appointment.
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the republican push to gut obamacare just will not stay dead. after three gop senators in july, john mccain, lisa murcowski and susan collins had a dramatic thumbs down in the wee hours, many thought the drive was finally finished. here we are, republicans are trying yet again and using the same playbook. a democratic input or substantive discussion or incomplete report from the cbo. republicans could succeed this time.
collins appears to be a no. murcowski has been non-committee saying she is still looking at the bill and mccain is saying as little as possible. >> any update on where you stand on graham cassidy? >> approximate are no. >> a bipartisan group of governors that run the states including republican governors on both nevada and ohio asked mitch mcconnell to kill the bill. up ahead, the last stand for obamacare and what they can do about it. senator cory booker. >> democrats now scrambling to d defeat the attempt to once again attempt to dismantle the aca. time is short. mitch mcconnell needs to get the grand cassidy bill through the senate in less than two weeks. democrats say it would be a disaster for millions of people. >> how about how this affects people? millions will lose coverage. no guarantee of preexisting condition, and an end to
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>> and joining me now, new mitch mcconnell needs to get the grand cassidy bill through the senate in less than two weeks. democrats say it would be a disaster for millions of people. >> how about how this affects people? millions will lose coverage. no guarantee of preexisting condition, and an end to medicaid as we know it. tens of millions of people could well lose coverage. >> and joining me now, new jersey senator cory booker. all right. senator, you're there and i'm not. what is -- what's this looking like at this hour? >> i think everybody needs to know that we're in a state of paril.
in every version tried to be forced through, i would say this is one that has me most concerned, most afraid that they are slowly cobbling together the 50 votes they need plus vice president pence to get this thing through. so what is missing right now is we just need to have more of the voices of america. this is not time for inaction. this is a tremendous threat because of the versions of trump care i've seen, this is probably the worst. we don't have a score yet but it has a lot of the elements of all the other plans that were bad that i think this is going to make this the worst one yet. >> one of the things they look like they are trying to do essentially to squeeze together the 50 votes is alexander who had engaged in this kind of bipartisan effort with patty murray ranking democrat on his committee to come up into bipartisan fixes to stabilize the insurance market announced today that's done, that's dead.
it's over. do you take that as a sign they are going to put the squeeze on those members of the republican caucus and say there is no other way forward but this? >> yeah, first of all, that is a tragedy what happened today. there is a shot clock so to speak while republicans are rushing towards the september 30th deadline. there is another deadline of insurance companies setting rates, premiums based upon the payments. now it looks like we won't be doing anything, which is already going to destabilize the marketplace make insurance companies have to raise prices. so they are already doing things to severely damage obamacare but the lives of millions of americans and at the same time they are letting that go down, a bipartisan plan where they brought people together. they brought experts in. they have been going through regular water and will get rid of that and bring in this perverse process, a secretive
legislation that hasn't been open to the public for long. they will try to rush it through with no hearings, no bipartisan conversations, no common work but just try to shove it through on the floor and the creating a p p parol for those on the fence. >> one of the strangest things on this bill and i agree, in someways it's the most distantly astounding is the bizarre distribution effect when it penalizes states to expand medicaid and ensure people. it punishes them fiscally and says no, no, no, we'll take money from you and gives it to states you don't choose to do like that, missmississippi, new jersey and texas. have you had conversations with chris christie or anyone else and the folks you represent? >> down here seeing these astonishing numbers. there is no fairness in this. you know, look, we've had
governors already come and represent and 80% of the american population saying don't do this. but this is one of the most -- the insults to the tremendous injury that's being done which says hey, we'll try to take care of some of these red state senators so they are not hurt as bad. there is still going to be hurt. people in their state will lose protections against being denied insurance over preexisting condition. they will see limits in gutting of medicaid. they will see the essential benefits package be taken away but now unfortunately, they are trying to say we'll make it less bad for you so please come on board. we'll try to take care in a very partisan manner republican senators. >> all right. senator cory booker of new jersey. thanks for making time tonight. senator. >> thank you very much. >> e.j. deon junior and warren, "one nation under trump."
they join me now. one of the themes in the book and something that both of you have been writing about as the nature of the republican party even before the trump era and trump, it seems the way they have gone about this entire health care debate, if you can call it that, has epitomized how much those norms have degraded aside from trump. >> after all of the horrors we've seen in the past, we haven't seen anything like this before. the contempt that mitch mcconnell has shown for the way the senate operated in the past, the contempt all of his colleagues have for all the elements of the regular order just blown apart and we have to look not just at the mcconnells of the world but at the alexanders who have started to do bipartisan stuff and then under pressure from the leader dropping. this precedes trump and trump-ism but it's a core part
of that. >> the lamar alexander move today struck me as particularly cynic l. we're throwing in the cards. john mccain thumbs down. they had this one hearing where they just did the thing you do when you leg state. there was a lot of census. says we're done with that to squeeze the people in their caucus. >> one of the points we make in our book is this a very long deteruation. if you go back to lamar alexander governor of tennessee, this is a guy who did deal with democrats, who was trying to get stuff done and now you're seeing him forced into this position and trump is the product of this. trump-ism is the product of this and on this health care bill, they had since midsummer, that bill went down and they said all right, you know, mccain, senator mccain said we need hearings. they had a lot of time to do this. they did none of it. they are shoving it out there and it's about the collapse of
norms and also about trump not keeping his promises to working class people because the people that will get hurt are the trump consit wants. >> they need to get the tax cuts to make this work but gram cassidy keeps a bunch of the taxes in place and doesn't give the tax cuts they started with the house side. i don't think there is a lot of political upside. they will shove the entire health care system off a cliff. >> two things, the first is they are responding to perhaps 25% of the population and that 25%, many of whom as e.j. said would be hurt are still furious that they had promised for eight years to repeal obamacare and they have done nothing. so they are desperate to do this but also desperate to get a victory. paul ryan said over and over again we have the most productive congress in modern history. it is bizarre because this congress has done next to
nothing and now they are throwing the people over the side -- they are throwing any semblance of policy to get a victory. that makes them very much like trump. >> an interesting twist here today because part of this is a kind of policy. the policy doesn't seem to matter to people. this bill they are pushing, people should know the day after the budget window ends, 2026, all the funding just blows up. there is nothing. nothing. >> doctors -- >> maybe you guys will figure it out then. that's a massively irresponsible thing to do. >> very much in keeping with a trump who really doesn't seem to care about what the policy is -- >> at all. >> as long as he can call it a win. if you saw what he did on daca. he said i'll rethink this and a few days later negotiating with schumer and pelosi and sending out tweets saying i'm the old
trump. >> we'll build walls. >> yeah. >> it's about appearance. >> to what extent do you think the amount of organizing and citizen has mattered? >> a third of the book devoted to where to go from here and devote it. we believe trump has given a jolt to the system activating all kinds of people. this farce is doing it more and if we can keep this up, we can get back our country and make it as the title says one nation again instead of the divided and racially driven politics that we've seen in the last few years and especially the last year. >> the obamacare repeal efforts were beaten because of an unprecedented organization not only in democratic districts but a lot of republicans went home and discovered -- >> right now people are thinking about lisa who could be the
pivotal vote in what she's consi the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. tonight donald trump threat tones destroy north korea, the american president declares america first at the united nations and claims that parts the world are going to hell. also on the russian front manafort responds to the wiretap reports an what's going to happen when trump's long-time private lawyer has to appear publicly before the senate intel committee. and a new forecast for hurricane maria which just tonight made the list of the top 10 most intense atlantic hurricanes of all time, thus a state of emergency in puerto rico as the 11th hour gets under way. and good eveninge