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to it. get a ticket, goes down here on the great lawn in central park. pre-show, stats at 3:00 p.m. followed by a concert at 4:00. >> get a ticket. it's really big and can fits lots of people. terrible job at ad-libbing there. thank you very much. and with that, don't forget to catch tomorrow's global citizen's festival live, if you're not in new york, right here on msnbc starting at 3:00 p.m. eastern. that will wrap things up for me at this hour from a busy washington, d.c. ali velshi picks up things from new york. >> you're right. speak the truth. the great lawn can accommodate a lot of people. little lawn nearby, not so accommodating. been busy. anything happen in the last hour? >> not much. a thing, john mccain said something about not -- >> yes. >> it's not epic. >> maybe we got something. katy, have a great afternoon and
i hope you come for this global citizen thing. it's fantastic. >> i'll be in austin. my heart and mind with there. >> you know what they say? >> get weird? >> keep it weird. >> works either way. i'll keep it weird. bye. >> have a nice day, katy tur. katy's hinted, the final push to repeal and replace obamacare falls flat. john mccain announced he's not supporting the graham/cassidy bill. in a statement released, health care legislation ought to be the product of regular order in the senate. the only way two achieve lasting reform without which a policy effects one-fifth of our economy and every american family subject to reversal with every change of administration and congressional majority. quote/unquote. senator mccain, one of the three
votes that sunk the effort in july. he criticized the closed-doing policy then, that. mccain a no. rand paul, already said, he's a no. republicans can only afford to lose one more vote. that means all eyes are now on senators lisa murkowski and susan collins, who also voted no back in july. "late show" host jimmy coming made emotional bills about removing a bill that removes pre-existing conditions. thank you, senator mccain for being a hero again and again and now again. senator collins suggested he's leaning towards opposing the bill but hasn't come out as a no. she said she wants to see the cbo score. last i heard the cbo may not be able to get a full score of this bill before the date mitch mcconnell wants it voted on. >> that's right, ali. we might see something smaller from the cbo.
we've had examples of thosetur . and the proposal, not that it's headed for the dust but know with collins leaning no, pressure on murkowski, john mccain stepped out and took the brunt of this, and if this doesn't open the floodgates and result in more no votes for this, i would be surprised, but, again, we are still kind of reporting out where everybody stands. senator collins' office, just heard from them. they don't have an update beyond what was reported in the local press in maine where she said that quote you showed. she is leaning, no. as of now, no new news in the way of senator collins' statement. and mccain's seven paragraphs long, doesn't leave opening for
re-evaluation. the whole process is a huge problem. forget the substance, i'm not going this, this way. gives a lot of cover to other republicans. >> they can use the process as the reason, as much as the -- or instead of the content of the bill. ask you something, kasie. a lot of people asking, seeing it on twitter. not quite sure what the rush is. what's the thing about getting this done before the end of the month that means that they can pass it with 50 votes now, but if it has to come up again, it's the normal 60 votes? >> a fun senate technicality, ali. basically when they put it down on april have to write what are called reconciliation instructions. passing a budget through congress it goes under special rules. essentially they wanted to keep it inside those lines, because otherwise it would go into the regular process that as everybody knows is subject to a filibuster, that takes 60 votes to break. we can do it under budget rules
if we finish by end of the fiscal year. september 30th. self-improses, but unbreakable deadline in this particular case. why there was such a rush to get the bill on the floor. talking the hearing monday. potentially on the bill tuesday. vote as early as wednesday. now i would be surprised if it unfolds that way, based on what mccain has said, but i haven't heard definitively from mitch mcconnell's office yet. the sense, doesn't go by end of the week, september 30th saturday. they have to start over. the next set of those reconciliation instructions, the next budget they want to use it for tax reform. >> right. >> and a lot of republicans -- >> yep. >> -- probably the reason we started the debate back up again was because republicans came back from august recess saying, hey, all of these donors, not just big donors or outside money people, people back home, local chamber of commerce and other places say, hey, why can't you get anything done?
a lot maybe don't like president trump but are frustrated they're spending money, time, investing in a republican congress and not seeing results pap split behind the seams with republicans. some think they needed to re-do health care. why you see this. a lot of them think, hey, get tax reform through, that will make the biggest difference. what these people are looking fore. >> and really, really important to understand you can't get the cuts you need in tax reform, much harder, without health care. >> true. >> kelly, before i ask you what is likely the reaction from the white house on this, you know senator john mccain and his history very well. there were a lot of people outside of the content of this bill, outside of the process who were looking to john mccain to say he moved them, stirred them with his speech upon his return to congress from arizona, when he had gone for treatment, and he then changed history with his no vote the last tile. what's he going to do now? tell me about john mccain and his role in all of this.
>> reporter: i think john mccain was in a position to say things that he has long held but now has a little more political latitude and a certain sense of, of his own voice in this process that really motivated him to speak about the need for the senate to be what the senate should be, in his view, and that is to work together on big things and in a bipartisan way. we hear, to regular order. it means senators across the spectrum participate in their committees and write legislation from the ground up, not something decided on by a few behind the scenes under a deadline. mccain, because he is now in his sixth term going through a very kind of pivotal personal experience is also someone who when having covered him for -- known him 20 years. cover him most of that time -- when under pressure, someone who digs down and finds what he needs to do. sometimes people have criticized
him for that. other times and places on issues like immigration, in this moment especially given the fact he's going through his own issue, issues related to health care are particularly poignant. also in the last iteration was looking to his home state governor doug ducey, opposed to the previous iteration of this. there were efforts made by the white house and others to encourage governor ducey to support this new graham/cassidy, we're calling it, hoping to leverage mccain and give him political cover as well as jeff flake, up for re-election next year saying this could be good to return power to the states to decide how to handle the medicaid piece of this. mccain who has thought things through, obviously a statement of that length, and a statement opposing any measure with the word "graham" in it is so profound, because as kasie talked about and we know so well, john mccain and lindsey graham are like brothers. for mccain to go against graham who has put a lot of his own
capital in this and still has a long career ahead of him, that's a difficult thing. >> yeah. >> doing hard things at hard times is part of what we rarely get to see in politics, and that's why you have people reacting. republicans will say, it's not so great that so many democrats are praising john mccain right now. given the fact republicans are rying to get this done. then others saying, this is a mccain moment. he's demonstrating this push to say it can be done, but not like this. so mccain also believes that the obamacare law should be reworked and redone, but not like this. that's the message he's trying to send. >> and came back to congress, made that speech in the senate and said those sending me all of these wishes you may come to regret it. all right thanks to you both for great analysis on this late-breaking story. kasie and kelly, stay with us. we're going to continue on, on a different topic, though. health care is not the only item on president trump's agenda suddenly that became more urgent. the president is engaged in a war of words with two countries.
each of which pose a very real nuclear threat and tweeted from the comfort of his golf course calling kim jong-un a madman and threatened to test him like never before. a response to the north korean leader who last night called trump a frightened dog, and a word a lot of ut needed a dictionary for. north korea's foreign minister warns the country to do over a nuclear test, do a nuclear test, over the pacific ocean. as for the other potential nuclear threat, iran. seems the president is treating it as a go show wanting a big reveal whether he'll keep the u.s. in the iran nuclear deal. iran's response, president rouhani says his country will strengthen missile capabilities and not seek permission from any country to do so. we have the latest on that. from iran -- >> reporter: ali, didn't take long for iran to respond to president trump's u.n. speech. at a military parade in tehran this morning, the revolutionary
regard laid out their nuclear ballistic missile. a range of 1,200 mime miles an capable of carries nuclear warheads. you don't have to be a rocket scientist figure out it's a direct response to president trump who's come down hard on the nuclear program, sanctions imposing penalties on iran and anyone who does business with him. iran's president, hassan rouhani gave a defiant speech saying iran will strengthen its missile capabilities and won't seek permission from any country to do so. also as you know, iran has a massive arsenal of missiles and they display it from times to time, in parades on tv, and last year, revolutionary guard an undisclosed location of underground bunkers packed with missiles. ready to be used for defensive
purposes at a moment's notice. also rouhani slammed president trump and netanyahu's speeches at the general assembly saying the u.s. and zionist regime referring to ill isolated themselves expressing opposition to the nuker there agreement. this is worrying. these two countries have no diplomatic relations and a heft host of differences increasing the rick of a miscalculation. back to you. >> thank you, from tehran, for more on what we're dealing with turn your attention to the north korean side of things. joined by a senior rear search scholar and at the china center and expert on all things asia pacific in a national security as well as a former spokesperson for terrorism and financial intelligence at the u.s. department of the treasury and former spokesperson to the mission of the united nations. two things to unpack.
leave iran for a second, and let's just talk again now about north korea for a moment. i have to tell you, there are people who dismiss the tweets and say you shouldn't cover the tweets. i find it very, very, very alarming, this war are words going on between kim jong-un and donald trump. it just feels irresponsible, in all cases and it's irresponsible for kim jong-un, too, but he's not our president and apparently doesn't watch msnbc. >> i'm inclined to agree, ali. dismissive of the war of words going on the last month or so this summer, but am increasingly nervous this week because of some of the language choices both of the united states' president and of kim jong-un yesterday evening that we saw. in particular we have eford that president trump believes kim jong-un is suicidal. called rocket man suicidal in his u.n. general assembly speech. that's a problem because he doesn't believe kim jong-un is
rational and can be deterred. now, if he truly holds those beliefs, which i'm not sure he does, frankly, that's a case for taking some kind of military action against him. likewise, in the statement we saw from kim jong-un, the statement was actually addressed against donald trump. it was not a statement about the american people or about american policies towards north korea. it was a deeply personal statement. and that raised questions about whether donald trump himself was rational. so the thing that's made me nervous, we could be living in a world we're not sure if these two leaders believe the other one will respond to deterrence or incentives and act rationally in what does deal like a dangerous situation. >> and making the point that neither kim jong-un, his father or grandfather named a u.s. president in the way -- they're really calling each other nasty names. one level, whatever. rhetoric. what they do apparently. the danger is of a miscalculation or the danger is
of hot head or one insult too many causing someone to do something ira mira's point is important. some say he isn't, but masterful. if you conclude he is you go down a road saying we need to take him out or as president trump said at the united nations possibly totally destroy north korea. >> right. i think-i agree with mira's analysis and all her points. i would add that, you know, at the end of the day, both sides have a lot of options left, and a lot of opportunity to continue escalating. right? >> by the way, i end up talking to both of you a lot. right? remainder of options. there are a lot left. >> exactly. kim jong-un still can do numerous tests, they may no carry a nuclear warhead. a lot of people don't believe it would sustain going through the atmosphere. >> right. >> on the u.s. side, a number of sanctions we could impose, and i
think trump has hinted he will with the passing of his executive order. right? >> remind people. because in the hurricanes and earthquakes some of this has gotten missed yesterday. the new orders put out by the treasury department when you used to work, we've known the u.s. treasury is one of the most effective entities for putting sanctions on people. >> right. >> what did these new sanctions yesterday, will they have effect? >> they haven't effected them yet. issued an order, authority, to allow them to impose sanctions and financial measures against any member, institution, any government that facilitates trade with north korea or does business with north korea. that, to me, at least, and i think a lot of those who are experts on this issue, means that's a message to china and chinese banks. in particular. they've done some steps regarding beijing but still more they can do, and mira and i
talked before. ultimately, it's a dangerous path and a lot 6 this rhetoric could land us in a very unfaberable place. beijing, end of the day will come through. >> the linchpin, mira. donald trump is either insulting or praising beijing. in appraising week this week. did it at the united nations did it yesterday. so now it sounds like, okay, guys, get together on this and i'm arming the treasury to do something that could have an affect on you. how does this work? >> ali, you're highlighting a good point. since a presidential candidate trump is fixated on the notion a solution to the north korea nuclear problem, china was the solution. spent the fix six months becoming friends with president xi jinping and disappointed in the last few months. no question as was mentioned, a lot more room to grow in terms of the sanctions regime and because china's akworccords up
90% of the north korean economy, if china decides to turn off the spigot could, have a significant effect. that said, china doesn't have the same national interest in the korean peninsula the united states does. china wants to keep north korea stable and the united states prefers first and foremost to try to take the nuclear weapons away. why i think it's likely china will do more we will see chinese banks stopping business they're doing with north korea i don't think we'll see the type of dramatic change that the trump administration would like to see. pointing out they continue to hold as their goal full, total denuke sairclearizati denuclearization. >> and wait for a chinese/america summit solving the north korean problem. it's getting pretty serious. thank you both. mira from the law school and research scholar and hagar former spokesperson for the u.s. mission of the u.n. and former
treasury department 130 spokesperson. and john mccain will vote no on the latest obamacare repeal and replace. senator graham just responded. written on twitter, my friendship with senator john mccain is not based on how he votes but respect for how he's lived his life and the person he is. mccain's decision not to support the bill means it can only lose support of one more republican senator. coming up, facebook agreed to cooperate with the investigation into russia's influence on the presidential election and turning over thousands of ads it suspects being linked to moscow. president trump says the scrutiny over the ads is part of a larger hoax. special counsel robert mueller disagrees. plus new concerns at the security and exchange commission after weaknesses were found. tell you if there's anything to worry about when we come back.
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this is a story we really think you need to know about. massive implications for all americans. about russia's influence during the 2016 election and how it funneled pro-trump propaganda on to facebook by using fake accounts. facebook has now agreed to hand over more than 3,000 russia-linked ads ripe with that propaganda to congressional committees investigating moscow the operation of influence. approximately $100,000 spent on those ads. propaganda ads reportedly
reached up to 73,000 americans. doesn't sound like a lot but you have to understand how cheap ads are on the internet. not like a tv buy. multiples bigger than that. facebook responded to what it considers tough questions on the matter, quote/unquote, and let's go back to the beginning. did facebook know when the ads were purchased they might be part of a russia operation? why not? no, we didn't. the have a majority of advertisers jews our self-service tools allowing businesses or individuals to create a facebook page, attach a credit card and run ads promoting their posts. in some situations facebook employees worked directly with larger advertisers. in the case of the russia ads none found involved in-person relationships. of course they didn't. a lot to dive into here. the director of the project at n.i.t., david nettleman and for cyber policy at the international security council. i'm a business reporter. when companies come up with
nonsense excuses about how this is way too big. we can't police all of these things. it's its own beast. gotten way too big to control, manage and we need humans do that tha that. that there are words i can't say on television, one might start with a b. and the other with an s. >> a very difficult situation facebook found itself in. a very complicated question for a long time. to what extent companies in silicon valley will cooperate handing over information to federal authorities after advertising. the number of people employed manually reviewing this information will be more or less impossible. >> who cares? this is their business model, david. not making an excuse for them? >> absolutely not. real challenges are here. one hand, it's clear facebook decided they need to hand over this information to start the ball rolling. what you saw with mark zuckerberg's announcement they're taking baby steps and
that's what they are. providing individuals an opportunity to see what other ads are targeted. maybe not to them, but other people. able to see the original page sponsoring it. that's just a start. cyber security guy got to say that's only going to get you so far. if i'm a russian agent, not hard to hide behind a different page. you're seeing a smart political move by mark zurkerberg acknowledges it's unusual, of international importance. but you're seeing deep questions asked about facebook's underlying business model and -- >> seeing deep questions asked by some. apparently not the president. he tweeted the russia hoax continues. what about the biased media coverage in favor of crooked hillary? at some point, it's a real problem when the president and the federal government are not taking this seriously. this is a massive, massive issue.
interference in our campaign at some point donald trump has to stop worrying whether or not this affects legitimacy of his election and worry whether or not it affects our democracy, and major implications. how he think about protecting our elections. one hand, we all know facebook's secret sauce, ad targeting. getting people to change their minds. what shoes you buy and in this case, who you vote for, for president. the russians found a new way to influence the election like hacking john podesta the e-mails and releasing them. another story to review the implications for this investigation. we know trump's son-in-law jared kushner was responsible for overseeing a targeting campaign that a lot of people within the campaign credited with donald trump's win. we now know those folks targeted were shown anti-hillary ads and ads trying to get donald trump elected and learning those same memes or versions of those were produced by russian agents.
that's a big story and one while certainly well too soon to tell whether there was any information sharing between the russians and the trump campaign or vice versa, those are the sorts of questions that mueller will look into and sorts of questions those on the technology side are looking into as convenient. >> and for some of us, might be a secondary question. right? i'm not losing sleep just yet on whether trump and his campaign were involved in it. losing sleep en about the fact people are actually doing this. paying for ads from an adversarial country that might influence american political thought. kind of remarkable. david, thanks for joining me. director on the project at m.i.t. staying with the theme of cyber threats and another case of technological vulnerability discovered. this occurs within a crucially important government agency. the u.s. department of homeland security has detected five t
tai-ota "cyber security" the securities exchange commission a as of january. reuters reviewed a confidential weekly report released by the department of homeland security, news after recently discovered hackers stole sensety data from the s.e.c. the corporate filing system. and unclear if the critical weaknesses found by the department of homeland security are related to that other breach. bring in my friend cnbc correspondent bob pisani to take us to the heart of this report and why it's so troubling. bob, an old friend of mine. don't see him enough on the show. nobody can get this across simply as to why this matters. the s.e.c. possibly being breached. why does it matter, bob? >> it matters because here's the agency in charge of being the watchdog for wall street. a couple years went to wall it street, jpmorgan, goldman sachs, get your act together with regard to cyber security.
beef up your systems, more cyber scuty people and tell us immediately if you've been hacked. the agency that told everybody to get their act together, got hacked and took a while to report they got hacked. number one. number two, we don't know who was accessed, when they did it, over what period and who the abl actors are they went to the heart of the filing system. we're going to put it out friday morning, stock drops. would you whoic to know that day before? potentially the kind of information they got access to. very danger. >> we know the danger. got yours and my information, buy a car on our credit, wreck our credit not make a payment. here the information is, did or can information get out companies trust the government keeps safe so somebody can't trade ahead of everybody else including you and me on those kinds of pieces of information.
>> right. and even more worrisome, because the government is about to implement a giant new database system. after that flash crash in 2010, tried to figure what happened and couldn't figure it out because they didn't have access to the trading data and created a giant database, they'll be able to track all the trades ever made from all the companies with individual information. if you hack that, that's the gold mine of all-time. not only do you have every trader's personal information, but you've got trading patterns of goldm mamanjpmorgan, the most sensitive information you could have. nobody can guarantee something can't be hacked. nobody will sign a paper telling you, because everything seems hackable these days. that's what's got wall street freaked out a little. how do we set up a database and assume we'll be hacked. a big problem. >> bob, you and i used to be on the floor together, couldn't
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western part of the island where a dam is failing and leading to flash floods. officials warn it's an extremely dangerous situation. buses used to evacuate people out of the area. rescues underway nonstop throughout the island ever since maria made landfall two days ago, including this dramatic scene. this one here. a u.s. coast guard and british royal navy pulling up a woman and two children from an overturned boat. this is unbelievable. look at those waves. they're in the ocean. puerto rico's governor reports over 200 people saved so far. and more help is on the way. it's a critical day four. in mexico, rescue efforts across central mexico after the powerful 7.1 earthquake, hope has not ceased. mexico city, digging through ruins of a textile industry. all dlothroughout the day crews moving debris with bare hands repeatedly lifting fists like that calling for silence to
listen for buried voices. exhausted crews are hopeful for more miracles after two people -- there, you're seeing it -- pulled out alive for nearly 52 hours. the situation is so dire, it's pulled in more than 700 rescue workers from all over the globe. sledge hammers and drills, search dogs, audio and heat-detecting technology. you name it. every rescue tool possible used. still, the death toll has neared 300 now. msnbc's mahriana atencio is at the scene of that textile factory in mexico city. i don't know how free you are to talk, mariana. every now and then they ask for silence. >> reporter: ali, i'm going to whisper to you to explain what is going on behind me. as you described it, they've used every tool in the book to search for life and at this textile factory now, they are conducting the last search with
dogs. these red cross dogs are their last hope of possibly identifying life. that is why you see the roughly 1,000 people, i estimate, behind me extremely quiet, made a circle and are watching as these dogs are moving, sniffing around to try and see if there is, in fact, life here. about half hour ago, the last stone was uncovered. it was a very emotional moment. everyone gathered, singing the mexican national anthem. somebody on the ground almost two days. you followed the story with me. so emotional. i saw people sobbing as they sang the anthem. neighbors in this community, meant most likely the search here will end soon. i want to bring in carlos, actually part of a team leading the rescue effort today to explain to us exactly what is going on. carlos, can you tell me what your team has been doing what
you have been trained to do? [ speaking in foreign language ] you have been prepared to rescue? people who are buried alive. >> [ speaking in foreign language ]. >> reporter: these dogs are only trained to uncover people trapped alive. >> [ speaking in foreign language ]. >> translator: the priority is life. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> translator: those people who who are unfortunately not living are no longer a priority. >> reporter: how many have you rescued? >> [ speaking in foreign language ]. >> translator: our team tried to go can down around 20 times, ali. we detected three people alive inside. >> [ speaking in foreign language ].
>> translator: two rescued overnight and that's the rescue you were talking about. one more. who had lost their life. >> [ speaking in foreign language ]. >> translator: but the dog didn't detect them soon enough. i want to introduce you to one of these dogs here, ali. i don't know if our cam -- >> reporter: wait. showing you that moment, the rescue team is hovering over and i want to show you those images, bring them to you live, more context on this textile factory, ali. two people rescued overnight here. the red cross tell me two additional people rescued here on wednesday. this is a factory three stories high. completely, just completely pummeled to the ground during this earthquake. and a factory, yo kni don't kno you it make out, it's a school. drawings on the windows. parents were relieved that the school didn't come crumbling
down along with the factory, but obviously a lot of workers died here, and it's just a very dramatic scene at this moment. >> we're looking at pictures -- >> reporter: new officials numbers. >> sorry, mariana. looking at pictures. one of the dogs you were describing was walking around, seemed to honed in -- fists going up again. okay. all right. >> reporter: they've asked us to be silent. >> let's just watch. >> reporter: i'm around the corner with my camera man. >> i'm talk. whatever the dog spotted, i don't know what type of workers. different helmets on, i can't tell what they're doing. moving in on something, carrying what looked to be a device. a box with something in it. maybe something looking for
movement or some kind of computer equipment. but they're doing something. testing, listening, trying to figure out something. we don't know what it is. obviously. this is what happens. for those who haven't been following every now and then at these rescue sites hands go up does asking for absolute silence, a halt of activity. people working in the middle with equipment. i assume, mariana, they're trying to listen and see whether whatever that dog honed in on might be a person. so there's equipment we can -- >> reporter: that's exactly right. >> i'm sure you can't see. the camera's pretty high. what do you know? >> reporter: i have carlos here. one of the experts. we're whispering behind our cameraman not to disrupt this. carlos, what are we seeing here? what is that machine they're using? >> [ speaking in foreign language ]. >> reporter: they're doing a sweep, ali.
>> translator: with one person and one dog. >> [ speaking in foreign language ]. >> translator: searching the whole area. to see if there is life. >> reporter: carlos, is that a computer they're using? [ speaking in foreign language ] >> [ speaking in foreign language ]. >> reporter: the military brought computers, ali. those instruments. >> translator: it can detect heat. but it's always the dog that has the best chance of detecting life at this point. >> [ speaking in foreign language ]. >> translator: confirm or discard what the machine is saying. >> reporter: so it's really these dogs also the heroes here, ali. we have met some of them today and really, they're -- their contribution here is
immense, as you can see. >> and, by the way, mariana, that seems to go for a lot of people. you have worked ceaselessly out there and keep meeting people who are coming in to provide supplies, to provide tools, their labor. some of these rocks moved have been moved by hand by people. there are these lists that go up you've been showing us where the rescuers are looking for equipment or gear or supplies. and people are responding to them. >> reporter: it's been amazing to watch this country come together, and not only this country, ali, but the world. we have met people from the u.s., of course. we have met people from germany. we have met people from other south american countries that have come here to lend a hand. carlos just told me that when they sort of swung that hammer on to the ground, it's to test the dog's temperament. meaning, to see if the dog is -- truly focused on finding or detecting life at this point.
>> so our viewers -- >> reporter: again, this is a waiting game. >> images on your left are the live pictures, where mariana is. this is just behind her and we're watching that small group of workers using testing equipment to determine whether someone is alive, after which there are dozens and possibly hundreds of workers there ready to do whatever they're called upon, but this is one of those moments of silence. why mariana is speaking quietly, because they put up their arms and tell everybody to be quiet. moments ago there was a dog -- and -- and now we are waiting for some sort of results. mariana, what would the results be? in other words, what are they looking for? they get a reading on a computer or something? >> reporter: they get a reading on a computer, ali, that the military has brought in. but it's really the dogs that have to detect whether or not there's life. they've also told me that they bring in different teams of
dogs, and more than two detect something, that's when they go in. the representative from the red cross here told me they've gone in at least 20 times at this site alone trying to find life, and overnight you got those two rescues. what we have seen here during the day for -- for viewers tuning in, is, a lot of activity in the morning. high hopes after those two rescues overnight. but then as the day went by, that hope diminished little by little and then that dramatic moment when they sang the national anthem, the last stone removed and people started crying, because it was almost a realization that the hope and the search had ceased. however, the representative from the red cross told me they're going to do just one last search. one last desperate attempt to see if they can detect any life, and that is what we're looking at right now. if, they've told me, the red cross representatives, if the dogs don't detect anything right now, these images you're seeing,
it is likely the search here at this textile factory will finish, again, until that happens, everyone is holding their breath here. >> mariana, you know, when you cover arescue, one thing, within an hour the mine company can tell you who's in the mine. this building, this textile factory that came down is one of the largest buildings to have been destroyed. they've been clearing rubble for a long time. they've just finished clearing most of it. you can see behind this particular worker there is bent rebar. this was all the space of a building, but i imagine they don't really know who they're looking for? >> reporter: they don't really know who they're looking for. they have an idea who the employees were, obviously, but i spoke to a representative from the mexican government today, and they tell me that there's still 200 missing people, and they don't know really who is accounted for and who isn't at
this point. unlike the elementary school, the primary school where we were yesterday, there were lists of names at the entrance of who was missing and who was found. here we have been talking to doctors on the scene who tell us that families keep coming here searching for their missing neighbors or their loved ones. there's really no idea who was here, who was it and also to give you local context, ali. what happens in these textile factories most of the time is many workers, you know, they come and go. transient. some can be undocumented. some from south central america. sort of the textile worker, very symbolic of what people do in mexico and symbolic of the 1985 earthquake here as well. a lot of victims were working class and textile workers and seamstresses. this textile factory, the seamstresses it is called.
a stark reminder how accessible to earthquakes this country is is not lost on anyone as the search continues. >> and they look to be moving the box -- i don't know what they're doing. looking to move it to another location now. there's such intricate work. >> reporter: carlos is telling me -- telling me here. he's next to me, part of the team conducting this, that nothing has been found at this point. so that they're moving to another location. carlos, are they leaving the scene or moving to another location? >> leaving the scene and in another -- >> reporter: another area. >> same area. >> reporter: okay. moving to another point. ali -- and doing exactly the same thing. turn on those computers and get the duos, the man and the dog to sniff around and see what they can find. a match, might still be hope. >> it's heart wrenching to watch this. we'll say close to you while
this go on and keep a close eye on this development. soon as you know something, please, come back and tell us about it. mariana ascensio at these excites another story that we're following here in the united states, senator john mccain is far from the only person with concerns about the graham/cassidy plain. the national association of state medicaid directors released a statement condemning the bill arguing it would undermine these efforts to improve medicaid in many states and fail to deliver on our collective goal of an improved health care system. >> i want to bring in the executive director of the national association of medicaid directors. thanks for being with us. what is it that caused your group to -- to come together and make a statement about this? >> yeah, this is kind of -- this is new for us. we haven't really weighed in on these very political decisions a whole lot.
but what it really took this time was the fact that you're essentially taking all of the medicaid program, which is 25% of the average state budget. it's 3% of the nation's gdp and all of the affordable care act dollars and completely changing how it all works, and you're doing it without the thoughtful deliberation and the time it takes to understand how this is going to actually impact the states, the program and the people we serve. our folks really felt like there's too much at stick here to rush this through and similar to what senator mccain said. regular order would be an antidote to that. >> john mccain hasn't killed it. this could still go through. >> true. >> and regular order is important because kind of everybody involved with health care delivery in this country has expressed the same concerns that you've expressed. and some of those concerns can
be addressed through proper hearings. if you listen and let everybody who had something to say on this come and say it, you might come up with a better bill. i guess there's an infrastructure problem i want to ask you about. you think about medicaid, a recipient who gets reimbursement or health care by the government. what is neglected is there are some parts of america, particularly poor and rural parts of america where the hospital that happens to be a good hospital which serves three or four counties exists because they are funded by or they are -- they see patients who get reimbursed by medicaid. when you take -- if a lot of people disappear from medicaid, a lot of health care institutions could disappear with them. >> yeah, that's right. and i think you've -- one of the key issues for medicaid, one of the things we've been trying to say from day one in this debate is, look. medicaid is really important. you may not understand just how
much it does. you may not fully appreciate how it helps to support health clinics and hospitals and nursing homes and everything else. and the more we can do to educate people about the good work that medicaid does. now we're always trying to fix it and improve it and do better but it's a really important program, and i think it's important for people to know that. >> so there are problems with medicaid that need to be fixed but one of the things it does particularly well is provides access to medical care to a lot of people. delivery is always an issue. there are lots of things to be fixed, but the danger in america of having a lot of people either lose or people who are going to get medicaid coverage not have it is very, very serious. matt, thanks for being with us and thanks for the work that you and the other directors of medicaid have done. let's take another look at what's going on. this is the site that mariana is
at. they have, obviously, dropped the call for silence and other work is recovering. we're going to have a live look at that and what could be, well, at least we hope it is, another rescue at a textile plant in mexico city. we'll get an update after the break. what's the secret to turning a no into a yes? do you know how to network like a champ? and when is a good time to have some fun in the office? i'm jj ramberg. i've got some great answers to all of these questions which may help you run a better business. check out the your business page on nbcnews.com for an exclusive online video series to help you work smart, grow fast and go further. >> sponsored by american express open. helping you get business done. we got a yes! what does that mean for purchasing? purchase. let's do this. got it. book the flights! hai! si! si! ya! ya! ya! what does that mean for us? we can get stuff. what's it mean for shipping? ship the goods. you're a go! you got the green light.
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she's been covering this for 36 hours or something and is working with the rescuers. while they call for silence, she is much farther removed from it than most and the authorities, including the volunteers she's with know that she's talking. for those of you concerned when the fists go up, she doesn't have my voice, first of all, she can actually whisper. but she's very conscious of that and we appreciate that. thank you. what's the situation? >> ali, i want to give you the update. we just witnessed the last few minutes of the last search here in this textile factory in mexico city. we saw people go on the scene with computers, dogs sniffing. unfortunately experts on the ground telling me they did not find any more signs of life, and the search here has ended. very dramatic. people tearing up. neighbors. i have carlos here, one of the specialists in charge. you guided us through everything that happened. where will you go tomorrow? are there still searches ongoing in this country?
>> translator: we still don't know exactly where. but it likely we'll go to another location within the city. or to morelo state that is also very affected. i want to thank you for all your work. this is delta, one of the rescue dogs responsible for detecting life on this site. dogs like her saved at least four lives in this rescue site. also thank you, ali, for putting the story on the air and giving it the importance you have. it's been very dramatic. the hope here certainly not ended. there's still searches going on in other parts of mexico and the country as we heard. ali, back to you. >> it is tragic, heartbreaking but it is amazing to see the heroism of the people that will keep on digging until somebody tells them to stop, and they're not done idea. mariana, thank you. we'll continue to cover this story with you. that's it for this hour. don't miss "velshi and ruehl."
we're going to be breaking down what the health care proposals mean for you. there are still some active proposals out there. that's it for me. thank you for watching "deadline white house" with nicolle wallace starts right now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york, and john mccain has gone full maverick this afternoon announcing he'd vote no against legislation championed and authored by one of his closest friends in the senate lindsey graham. he said i'd consider supporting legislation similar to that offered by my friends were it the product of extensive hearings, debate and amendment. but that has not been the case. i cannot in good conscience vote for the graham/cassidy proposal. i believe we could do better working together, republicans and democrats, and have not yet really tried. it's the stuff of