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i'm stephanie ruhle. coming up right now, more news with stephanie jackson. >> stephanie, don't go far because we are talking about republicans in washington waking one a hangover for the establishment. looking around going, did last night really happen? and what does it mean for party leaders after alabama put the so-called outsider and not the president's pick closer to being inside the senate. president trump's trying to act like he never actually backed the other guy, doing a little twitter tweaking, but nothing is ever really deleted online. not even endorsements for luther strange, as the president moves on, not just from strange but from the health care crash and burn turning to taxes. with three months left to try to squeeze some success legislatively out of 2017. we have a first look at this republican tax framework. that's coming up in one minute. but we cannot and will not forget the crisis in puerto rico. more than a million people don't have water to drink. san juan's mayor says they are gasping for air, begging for help.
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we have a lot of show coming up in the next 60 minutes, but i want to start with the first look now at the new republican tax reform plan set to be unveiled later on this afternoon when president trump gets on the road and heads to indiana. here's some of what we are just now learning. he would cut the corporate tax rate to 20%. set three tax brackets to 12%, 25% and 35%. he would double the standard deduction, double the child tax credit, eliminate deduction for state and local taxes. and eliminate the estate tax. we are going to walk through some of the details. i want to bring back for you stephanie ruhle. steph, you have had your hands on the tax reform plan in the last few minutes, as i have, this is not a surprise because we knew a lot of this was coming
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with the streamlining of the tax brackets. tell me what stands out to you most from what you're seeing. >> it is not a surprise. one thing to know about streamlining the tax brackets, we knew that was coming, but that was never a complicated portion. that's at the end of doing the taxes. as far as the corporate tax goes, remember, this thing is a first blush. you know, at 20%, it's -- this thing isn't going to really go anywhere. we know that they are trying to sort of give back with doubling the child tax credit. especially trying to give back to the middle, but when you look at this, just at a first blush, again, this is a tax cut. this is not tax reform. and you've got to walk through it because it just -- eliminating the estate tax, you'll see democrats go crazy over this. i mean, that to them is like an immediate kiss to wealthy people. >> let me ask you two questions here, steph, because i'll tell you when talking about the corporate tax rate, that's something when i speak with folks inside the west wing as i did late last night, they say,
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yeah, the president really wants 15%. he's been talking about 15%. we say 20%. who knows what will actually come out of that tonight. >> the president really wants this or really wants that and changes his mind in a minute. let's remember, the president really called china a currency manipulator every chance he could get when on the campaign trail. then once he was president and gary cohn tapped him on the shoulder and said we have a model for this at the labor department and punch it in with every currency, trump said, forget it. he also said in terms of gdp, we'll aim for 6%. that's a pipe dream. you're never going to get it. as far as 15% corporate tax reform, let's remember most corporations don't pay anywhere above 20%. and this idea that if you suddenly lower the corporate tax rate, you are going to see these corporations build factories, buy planes and hire people. it's not a given. >> what -- i think what you're seeing is that you think that
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tax rates is unrealistic, right? to most people at home, it doesn't matter what the corporate tax rate is in their daily lives. so if i'm home and sitting around the table watching this program right now out west, what is the biggest change they will see? will they save money with this in. >> it's unclear. if they are just somebody sitting at home, the fact a they get double credit for having a child, that's a positive. but if you are someone sitting at home, the corporate tax rate is an abstract win in theory for you. because it's betting on the idea that corporations are going to pay less money to the government. and in turn, they will pay the employees more and hire more people. that is a guess. it's not a given. >> stephanie, i know that you and ali velshi are combing through this and have much more coming up on your show in 55 minutes from now. i appreciate you joining us on this show. and we want to talk about the other big headlines for donald trump today. this one not quite as
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comfortable for him. you know what happened in alabama by now, so the question is, what happens next? after roy moore, conservative anti-establishment and controversial former judge wins the senate gop primary and wins big. we are talking nearly ten points big taking 63 of the state's 67 counties. and hey, by the way, that was against a guy president trump and vice president pence backed traveling down to alabama to campaign for. steve kornacki, has graciously gotten upp early to walk us through this. so what happens now down the road? is this kind of the canary in the coal mine for other midterm races coming up next year? >> yeah, there's a couple possibilities that are raised by the result last night. one of the questions here is, what is the message here that voters, republican voters in alabama were sending about donald trump, about his role? it's a complicated question. as you mentioned, donald trump was backing luther strange, luther strange lost to roy moore. here's the weird part of the
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dynamic. roy moore is the anti-establishment candidate, sort of the grassroots candidate here. very inflammatory. a lightning rod guy with all the guys backing trump from the beginning of the presidential race including steve bannon. luther strange was the establishment candidate. here's donald trump trying to sell an establishment candidate to his own base. and you can see his own base said, no thanks, we'll take the real deal. what they think is the real deal. now, is that a rebuke of trump? what makes that so complicated when i talked to voters down there, a lot of roy moore voters were thinking that donald trump essentially winked at them. he was at this rally with luther strange. >> but he did wink at them. >> he said, maybe amade a mistake in this thing and it would be okay to vote for moore. >> it's about as explicit as a wink you can get without actually shutting one eyeball, steve. he literally said, i might have made a mistake and a lot of voters as you point out won't think this is a base revolt
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against donald trump. that's simply not what we're hearing on the ground. >> in the message in moore's campaign, steve bannon himself was delivering the message, and basically was a saying this is a vote for trump. this is a vote to liberate donald trump from mitch mcconnell, from paul ryan, from the washington establishment. he'll do better dealing with senators like roy moore than mitch mcconnell. it goes way back in time, ronald reagan was president and conservatives were frustrated the first two years. their message was let reagan be reagan. the message of the conservative base is let trump be trump. and they think putting a roy moore in there is going to help him do that. >> steve, i'm going to ask you to hang out for a second because we'll talk about another race that we're talking about in tennessee with the word that bob corker won't run again. but we'll go to peter alexander on the north lawn of the white house. obviously, these are not a series of headlines the president wanted this morning. roy moore winning in alabama. health care dead. but he is talking about taxes. and he is now talking about the
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guy he didn't back that he's going to back come december. >> i was thinking the best way to frame this, what does the president and charlie sheen have in common? they both like to say they're winning. what if your guy isn't winning? you drop your guy and go with the one that did win. that's what the president has done over the last 12 hours. in fact, on twitter, deleting some of his tweets and giving him a big push as he tried to do over the last couple of days to luther strange. one of the tweets said, spoke to roy moore of alabama last night for the first time. sounds like a really great guy who ran a fantastic race. he will help to make america great again. compare to a tweet earlier, alabama, get out to vote for luther strange who has proven to me that he'll never let you down. make america great again. so the president now sort of recasting his team, suggesting
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that he's on team judge roy moore as it were and luther strange is obviously falling into the backdrop. what is notable here is 24 hours ago, the white house officials privately were and much of this was likely spent trying to say, hey, i think we are going to win this thing. they made this a very close race that turned out ten points in the wrong direction right now. so effectively they are erasing history as best they can and to try to get on the right side. >> with donald trump looking for the next topic, one to be a win and the tax reform later this afternoon. peter alexander on the construction site of the north lawn. thank you very much, sir. i want to bring in the former chairman of the national committee michael steele along with national reporter eliana johnson and eugene scott from the "washington post." and steve kornacki is here to talk about the shifting
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landscape for republicans. steve, standby, but i want to talk about who roy moore is and what this means. this is a guy, the full weight of your party now behind a guy who said a couple things. he said part of the law reason under sharia law. that's not happening. homeless sexuality should be illegal. he refers to people by their skin colors, says islam is not a real religion, and yet when i had the head of the rnc on this program 24 hours ago, she said we are still standing by comes out of the primary. >> we're going to be supporting the candidate that comes to it of this primary. let's wait and see who comes out, but we want to support any republican to keep the majority. >> then ron johnson was asked about roy moore just this morning. and here's what the senator had to say. >> you just deal with individual as they are. i have found coming to washington, d.c. there's an awful lot of stereotypes of
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individuals, what exactly, how the press portrays them is not necessarily the individual they are. so i have never met judge warren. >> so you are cool with the gop getting behind this guy? >> the fact of -- let's deal with the chairwoman said. we'll do what she said we need to do. it's about protecting the seat that the republicans have. she has no sway over who voted her in. you have to get behind that individual and do what they had to do. in 2010 i had to get behind a candidate who declared she was not a witch for the united states senate. so you do what you have to do. >> and how did you feel about that? >> not happy. not happy. but that was a choice. >> now he tells us. >> i made it very clear then. but the fact of the matter is, you go with the folks that are sent to you. you make that choice as a party chairman. so let's take that off the table. >> fine. >> in terms whoof the senate, he
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is all nicey-nice right now. there is a rap sheet of language that is not theirs, but depending on how he comes out of the gate, if he comes out strong on behalf of strong, it could get dicy very quickly. >> which he's going to do, at least all the indications are. and 24 hours over mitch mcconnell's no-good, very-bad tuesday. on the political side, you have also bob corker saying he's not going to run again. and from what i have been hearing, real support from the breitbart weighing of the conservative movement backing the anti-establishment kaerntds like roy moore.
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>> in 2010 there was a lot of talk about the tea party and the revolt of the republican base. you saw that with christine o'donnell back in january. but i think the spirit of the tea party, the anti-establishment sphere in delaware. it is very much there. anybody who is closely connected with the republican establishment in washington with mitch mcconnell, with paul ryan and the idea of being a republican insider, that is poison to the republican base. and the implications for 2018, they go beyond alabama. you mentioned bob corker. i don't think it is a cons since he announced yesterday. he has to worry in the next challenger is roy moore. roger wichhart in mississippi has chris mcdaniel who in theirly knocked him off in the republican primary a couple
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years ago. maybe the winds are blowing again. >> what does this mean? this could be a defeat of donald trump but not of trump-ism, essentially. so big picture, where does the president go from here? >> you know, i had a republican strategist say to me about invoking the french revolution that they got to the pier at the end, too. there was an ideological factor many the tea party movement. rand paul and ted cruz and mike lee were elected around the same time and came to washington and actually fought on things together. there doesn't seem to be the same kind of ideological similarity in the
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anti-establishment candidates now except that they are anti-establishment. if we see a raft of these guys getting elected, which is certainly possible, it will bring chaos in washington. but i'm not sure what else it will do. that's not as clear to me as the key party candidates funded by growth were running back in 2012. >> what does it mean for democrats, jean? >> it highlights that the party that set off the lack of success of mitt romney, that they wanted to focus on diversity. they have not done as good of a job doing that when they sent someone to washington last night who said such alarming things about gay americans and minorities. i think they have to brand themselves increasingly as the party who wants to be more about america's future than past. >> welcome to the third ring of
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the circus. this is going to be a very dynamic time here in this town. and i think steve hits it right on the button, when you look at what happens tonight, flaik, for example, this pretends to be a sea change for the senate. the senate always said we are not the house. guess what, baby? you're about to get a little piece of the house. >> they kind of had that a little bit when looking at the folks. the prior days of ted cruz. >> the senator republicans are going to be embracing ted cruz once moore shows up. trust me on this. >> it is trump redu, -- their votes can't be counted on in a
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senate republican caucus. >> i am going to ask you to hang out a few minutes. and we are learning lessons about the defeat of health care for now. when it comes to the tax plan that the president will be selling today, so after the break, i'm asking republican senator john hogan about what his party needs to do different this time around to get something done. that's next.
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we will cut taxes tremendously for the middle class. not just a little bit but tremendously. >> that's president trump offering a little bit of a preview of the new republican tax reform plan being unveiled right now at the republican retreat. two sources there are telling us that this has officially been released to house republican members with ways and means chairman kevin brady doing most of the talking in this meeting so far. i want to talk more about it now with senator john hogan, republican from north dakota, and a member of the appropriations committee. senator, thank you for being with us on the program, i appreciate it. >> good to be with you, hallie. >> the tax cuts could cost as much as $4 trillion. how do we pay for this? >> right. so the net actual cost will be $1.5 trillion. that's allocated in the budget agreement. overall, it will be about $4 trillion, so we'll have to find offsets of about $2.5 trillion. so that's where we look at some of the tax expenditures that are
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currently in the code that we would try to take out as part of the reform effort. >> you sound like -- that's a big deal. this is a huge issue for republicans who were not going to be adding to the deficit with trillions of dollars. >> right, but that is under a static growth model. if you look at dynamic growth, you'll see a lot of economic growth to create revenue with the lower taxes that will help to reduce the debt and deficit. >> the president likes to call this tax reform. this is really just tax cuts, though, correct? >> you know, it will be both. it will be both reducing the rate, simplifying the tax code, really focusing on workers and keeping more of their earnings in their pocket. but it also will be reform, so it will be both. and again, the key is to make it bring back a lot of money that is overseas, which can be invested in our country. and that has huge benefits. >> but this is not the sweeping overhaul that, for example, paul ryan has been talking about for years. >> well, i think it will be very
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significant, but it will be a combination of both tax cuts or reductions in the rates and reform. it will be both. >> i mentioned at the top of this segment here that house republicans are unveiling this big plan, democrat joe crowley is complaining democrats were not invited and are being shut out of the discussion. why not include the democrats in this? >> well, i think there will be a real effort to include democrats. look, we want them to join us on all these things we were trying to do, whether it is health care reform and tax reform, whether it is infrastructure. the key is getting them to engage with us. and you have seen the president work very hard at trying to get to engage. we are, too. >> and it seems democrats, at least for for example, joe crowley, wants to engage colleagues like yours. is it a mistake to use reconciliation to do tax reform? >> no, i think we will be successful and use reconciliation with 50 votes. >> right, which is not
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bipartisan, right? >> at the same time, we'll continue to try to get democrats to join with us. absolutely. we are determined to get it done and want it done by year-end. >> we are talking about less sons learned from health care, one of the lessons seems to have been you can't count on republicans to get i done alone, that's what you're counting on when it comes to the tax plan, isn't it? >> i think we are going to try to get democrats involved. we're going to do it with 51 so republicans can get it done if need be, but we are also going through the committee structure or the regular order. hopefully that will help to bring democrats on board, but we are determined to get it done. and we can do it with 51 votes. and we certainly want the democrats to work with us but we have to take the lead and try to get it done by year end. >> senator, before i let you go, i want to hit the other headlines today. one is the topic of money. new reporting from politico about health secretary tom price over the summer chartering trips, especially for a couple
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trips where he seemed to mix business with private dealings. one was an exclusive resort in georgia. a lot of taxpayer money spent on this according to politico. more than $400,000. is this a problem? >> well, look, i know dr. price and he's got a long record of service both as a doctor and a public servant. i know that he has the inspector general looking through everything now. and if there is an issue there, i'm sure he'll address it. >> just fundamentally, as a fiscal conservative, is it a problem that the taxpayer money is going to the charter flights to this degree? >> that's why the inspector general is looking at it. and why the secretary said he's not going to take any private planes until they have gone through it fully and addressed it. >> and we talked about some of the things he believes like homosexual conduct and is god punishing perverseness.
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and the belief of president obama not being born in the u.s. do you have an issue with the things that the senator is saying? >> i haven't had a chance to look through those things, but the key is one of the commentators referred to this, the key will be what he does here when he comes here and will he join with us to get the things done that are going to help the country and the american people. that will be the important thing. >> and if he ends up sort of throwing a flame into the establishment? >> well, let's give him a chance to come down and help us advance the agenda that will be good for our country. >> senator john hogan, thank you very much for coming on this program with lots to discuss on this very busy wednesday. i appreciate it. president trump is traveling to puerto rico. his response to the crisis in puerto rico after hurricane maria. we're talking about a shortage of food, gas, new concerns there is not enough clean water for people to drink. we're heading to san juan for report after the break. ♪
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we are back now with a look at the morning headlines. republicans are cautiously optimistic holding on to the
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seat with roy moore winning the senate nomination in alabama. the special election is set for december. and you heard about the bombshell news in the ncaa basketball. four coaches from four big-name schools have been charge in the alleged corruption scandal. federal authorities say coaches contributes to the pay to play culture by taking bribes to sway star athletes to pick certain agents and financial advisers. the ncaa calls the allegations deeply disturbing. and a big development out of saudi arabia today. the king saying women will be allowed to drive next year. that's been the only country in the world where it is illegal for women to drive. there have been celebrations in the country now since the policy had become a symbol of oppression to women in the ultraconservative nation. the white house released a statement saying the move is a positive step to promoting
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rights and opportunities of women in saudi arabia, but make no mistake, there are still real restrictions for saudi women. they cannot get married, travel abroad or open a bank account without permission of a male guardian. and we are following the crisis in puerto rico that seems to be getting worse by the day. nearly half of everybody who lives there don't have access to clean drinking water. some water pumps and treatment plants are not working. there are fears of contamination now. fema is providing 4 million meals and 6 million liters of water to the island with millions more meals and liters of water on the way, but supplies are dwindling and they are still trying to get to people in the more remote areas of the island. gadi schwartz took a look from the air and has more. >> reporter: in remote parts of puerto rico, calls for help are written on rooftops. families desperate in the long wait for aid. roads obliterated by mudslides and flooding.
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the puerto rico national guard blackhawk helicopters giving to remote areas where the 8-year-old girl says her family needs supplies. she is worried about her grandparents she hasn't heard from in days. >> i hope you are fine and i love you. >> reporter: this chopper crew is responsible for prevents a major environmental catastrophe after nearby oil drilling rigs were damaged by the hurricane. if this would have come aground and hit puerto rico, how bad could things have gotten? >> pretty bad. i would think we would have an oil spill. >> reporter: just one of the countless missions of american soldiers protecting their island looking for more people to save. >> gadi schwartz reporting there from puerto rico. i want to bring back in iliana johnson. one of the stories we are following is an obscure to proprovision called the jones act. this is essentially restrictions on shipping and waters off the coast of the united states.
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it was waved during harvey and during irma to allow supplies to get more quickly to florida and to texas. it has not been waved now. if you have not made a decision now according to our reporting, i want to tell you what the puerto rican governor has said about this. >> we expect them to wave it. actually, during irma, which was much less devastating, there was a seven-day waiver. so we do expect action to go that route. i mean, we have talked on a bipartisan level with different congressmen and women. they all support a temporary waiver. >> they seem to think senator john mccain is pushing for this. what is next? >> there are conservative storms and there is belief that the trump administration could understand that this is what the people need most in puerto rico. particularly because presidents
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are often judged on how well you respond to disaster. if he bombs this, it doesn't matter how well he responded to the previous hurricanes. because this is what is going to let people know what he can do when people and countries and territories aren't on his side, how he responds to that community event. >> it is my understanding that the administration has said, we talk about the ships, the ports, they are destroyed. you have to rebuild before you can get some of this stuff in. >> i think that is absolutely right. i do think that the white house breathes something of a sigh of relief after the president got through the first two hurricanes and this one, which was worse than the first two, came and they have been a little flat-foot in response to the white house. not dhs, which has continued to do tremendous work, fema as well, but that doesn't quite make headlines. what has gotten my attention, which is just as eugene said the conservatives have come out in full force to slam the jones act, they want it repealed outright. it is an outdated law. the wall street editorial page slamming the trump administration and calling this
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provisi provision. i assume the administration is going to get, waive this to try to get through congress. >> the acting secretary elaine duke was talking about this topic. we turned on the sound here. let's play it. >> we are attacking the areas of the diminished capacity. so there is food and water on the island. there is gasoline on the island. what we are focused on today now that search and rescue is very much complete is distribution change. we have asked defense logistics agency to augment the local national guard and distribution channels that we can get goods and gasoline out more quickly. >> and it's getting into the people who need it most. and eliana, you talked about this in the headline in politico today as the white house scrambles to show trump cares about puerto rico. to be fair, the puerto rican
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governor said i've been in touch with the president constantly and meeting with members of fema, but that was not communicated to members of the public until just recently, the last day or so, when you look at notably the president's half dozen tweets about puerto rico and more than two dozen on the nfl. >> yeah, the reality is that we have to remember that the president constantly criticized the obama administration for many of the challenges that existed in puerto rico and promised if he got in the white house he would help improve. this is the opportunity to show he can respond better. sure, it is more difficult to get to puerto rico than texas and florida. >> he correctly said it is an island in the middle of the atlantic ocean. >> very good geography. >> correct. how he responds to that territory that is still occupied by american citizens doesn't matter how hard it is to get there for him. >> marco rubio has strong words to your outlet. what i'm more concerned in the next 48 to 72 hours is ensuring we don't have a katrina-style
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event he said, i'm not claiming that is where we're heading. i want to avoid that from even being a possibility. >> well, if you remember, katrina was a lot about the optics in terms of the white house, which is that the president was photographed above the disaster zone. looking like he didn't care all that much. and i think that really is the risk from the white house as well. when the president's tweeting about the nfl and simply not appearing as though he's paying as much attention to the disaster in puerto rico. that has certainly been the case. you saw him announce yesterday or the day before that he is visiting the island next week. and i think if the jones act is waived, some of that will be taken care of. >> i'm asking you to hang out after the break. because we want to talk about james mattis landing in afghanistan for the unannounced visit welcomed just a few hours ago by rocket fire from the taliban. it's part of america's longest war with the latest strategy to end it in the spotlight. dad: molly, can you please take out the trash? (sigh)
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and learn more about the kinds of plans that will be here for you now - and down the road. i have a lifetime of experience. so i know how important that is. we will suffocate any hope that the taliban has by winning by killing. i want to reinforce to the taliban that the only path to peace and political legitimacy is through them and a negotiated settlement. >> that is a direct message to the taliban from secretary of defense james mattis who made that surprise visit to afghanistan overnight. and just hours after being
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greeted by nato's secretary general, the taliban claims to have sent its own message to mattis in the form of six rockets at kabul airport. mattis says the taliban was the target. but this is his first trip to afghanistan since unveiling the new strategy for america's longest war. i'm joined by security analyst juan sarate, he combatted terrorism under george w. bush. and eliana johnson and eugene scott. juan, glad to have you here in the morning, you are usually on "nbc nightly news." if the rocket was by the taliban, and we should point out isis is claiming responsibility, what does that say about the prospects of the taliban ever coming to the table for talks? >> well, i think you said it right, this was a message by the taliban to say we are here, we are still fighting. we are going to resist. but i think what you have said with the administration's strategy and what secretary mattis said on the visit, we are here to support.
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we're not going away any time soon. and you're not going to win by shaping the battlefield. and i think what that message has translated into in terms of policy is, we're going to be here physically. we're going to have troops on the ground. we're not going to put caps on the troops. we're going to release some of the restrictions on what we can do in terms of training, equipping and fighting the taliban. and we're also going to precious pakistan more aggressively to cut off political support, logistical support. we have been at this for a while, that's not easy, but that's the new message from the administration. >> the pakistan piece of the puzzle was notable when president trump unveiled the strategy in the speech over in virginia. you talked about troops, 3,000 more headed to afghanistan according to the secretary. so how does this change what you rightly point out has been something to stretch through the administrations? >> there are a couple factors. one, the secretary with nato as well. you have the nato secretary general visiting with him.
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so the message is that nato is still aligned here, still committed with troops with force. we're going to see consistency of that support, i think, and this is now something the administration is staking its policy on. i think secondly, can they reshape the dialogue with pakistan. can they actually affect the way that pakistan is implementing and affecting what is happening. >> when do you expect to see more on that front? >> well, i think you're going to see this both in terms of the troop deployments. and i think you'll see quiet diploma diplomacy. the reality is what happens on the ground. are we seeing shifts in the battle space? are we seeing the afghan government and their allied forces actually take more territory. or is the taliban still emboldened. are they still trying to take more territory. and that is the message from the taliban. they are saying, we're here to fight. we're going to get what we want on the battlefield and you're going to have to deal with us. mattis is saying, look, we're
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here, too. you have to play by our rules and you'll have to engage politically. >> when you look at crises that the administration is juggling internationally, it is not just afghanistan, north korea is a big deal. and this is what the president had to say when we were in the rose garden just yesterday. listen. >> we are totally prepared for the second option, not a preferred option, but if we take that option, it will be devastating. i can tell you that, devastating for north korea. that's called the military option. if we have to take it, we will. >> so again, juan, you have this hot rhetoric from president trump. and again, you have secretary mattis coming out to say, hey, we're down with diplomacy, that's what we'll do for now. when does this change? how does this change? >> yeah, i don't think the administration is actually seeking coordination of the messages in that regard. i think everyone wants that. i think the president actually sees advantage in talking to the extreme. and part of that is the message to north korea to see if they can get into their psychology.
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and you see if this is working a little bit. the north koreans are trying to fish for information in washington to try to determine what is the mindset of the administration. so -- >> there's a new report out from "the post," the tokyo bureau chief saying they are reaching out, the north koreans, to republican strategists and analysts to get a sense of the president's psychology. >> right. he in some ways is playing a different game. and he's also trying to affect the dynamics with china. that's the big goal here of the administration. can they affect both with sanctions to say, china, you need to now see north korea as a threat to your interests, economically, politically, and this is the way the president is willing to use military force in a way that is to nobody's advantage. and that is all part of the strategy to shift the calculus and landscape, not just with north korea, but also with china. >> you're nodding, eliana. >> what is not clear to me is whether there's a unified strategy within the administration.
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often we hear the president say one thing, his secretary of defense say another thing, sometimes the secretary of state says a third thing. so the question is whether all the guys can get on the same page. and weather thether the preside purposely saying something different. i'm not sure if it is strategic, but at some point they have to get on the same page to project a unified message. i'm not sure when that is going to happen or if they will be able to do so. >> i don't think it will. >> you don't think it will happen at all? >> i don't think it will happen because donald trump understands that talking tough wins support with his base. and for a president who is struggling with approval ratings across the board and dipping a bit with some republicans, this is the talk that got him through the primaries and got him to the white house. >> so you think it is all politically based? >> i definitely think it is politically based. much of the alabama speech on friday is politically based beyond the senate race. and that includes responding to north korea. >> final thought? >> i think there's purposeful discord here.
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they want to talk tough, have a maximus approach and have the option of dealing diplomatically. at a certain point, they realize this could be advantageous for a while. so i wouldn't bet on harmonious messages out of the administration. >> thank you for joining me onset. it's a pleasure to have you, appreciate it. up next, we want to talk to the person who is in charge of getting more democrats elected in the senate. we're going to find out if he thinks the democratic candidate has a shot to be roy moore in alabama. plus, the democrats millenial problem with new numbers out from nbc news today to show millenials are not feeling the democratic party. so what does that mean next year? this is the story of john smith. not this john smith. or this john smith. or any of the other hundreds of john smiths that are humana medicare advantage members. no, it's this john smith. who we paired with a humana team member to help address his own specific health needs. at humana, we take a personal approach to your health,
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♪ ♪ so we've been talking about republicans unveiling this new tax reform, tax cut framework or outline. and i want to bring you up to speed on some of the details i've learned in the past hour or so. we know the current seven tax brackets would be streamlined down to three with the lowest rising a little bit to 12%. the top tax rate would come down to 35%. that might change. there might be also an additional top rate. we should also note the standard deduction would double to
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$24,000 for married couples. $12,000 for individuals. and the marriage penalty as it's called would also be eliminated. the child tax credit would go up for kids under 17 and also to be eliminated, the estate dax. also called the death tax. and the alternative minimum tax. the corporate tax rate for businesses would go down to 20% from 35%. the president wants it even lower. senator lindsey graham was walking through the hallways of the capitol this morning and our own garrett haake happened to catch up with him. graham had some very strong words about what tax reform means for the future of the republican party. listen. >> how imperative is it to get something done now? >> it's the difference tweet succeeding and failing as a party. it's the difference between having a majority in 2018 or losing it. it's the difference between one term and two. >> senator graham there.
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joining me now is a different senator. chris van holland of maryland. senator, thank you very much for joining us here. let me pick up off of senator graham. because he also told nbc news that he spoke for about a half an hour with president trump today about the now-failed for health care reform effort. can you say the gop effort to repeal and replace obamacare is dead this year? >> well, it's done between now and the end of this month. they were obviously pushing really quickly to try to blow up the affordable care act before the time ran out on the package this month. but the reality is they may be back at this again next year. we don't know. we'll have a better idea letter this week when they put together their budget proposal. and that will give us a signal as to whether they'll take another run at trying to destroy the affordable care act. >> democrats clearly see this as something to mobilize around over the next year with regards to 2018, for example.
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and there's a lot of discussion about this medicare for all plan that bernie sanders has introduced. you haven't backed it. you haven't ruled it out either. so when it comes to that health care plan, why can't you see where you stand? >> well, let me first of all say and senator sanders agrees 100%. we need to make sure number one they don't finish the job in trying to blow up the affordable care act. number two, we need to stabilize the current tex changes because premiums are going up because president trump has worked to sabotage the system. we need to work in a bipartisan way to stabilize that. i am all toward moving to universal coverage. i salute bernie sanders for the idea on the table. there will be other ideas as to the best way forward, but we do need to make it a priority to not allow republicans to try to open the door once again in the coming months to destroying the affordable care act. >> you know that health care was one of the topics of discussion down in alabama with roy moore
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going up against luther straing. we know biden is campaigning next month for doug jones, the democrat in this race. do you think the democrats have a chance to win that senate seat in alabama come december? >> yes. we believe -- >> why? >> we believe the people of alabama are going to want a senator who has integrity and character. and that's doug jones. he's a former u.s. attorney, a prosecutor. prosecuted the kkk for the bomb in the 16th street baptist church in birmingham, alabama. he's been tough on crime as a prosecutor. so we believe that when you look at him compared to roy moore, the republican candidate, there will be a clear choice on character. there's a reason the national republican party spent millions and millions of dollars to defeat roy moore and even trump came out against roy moore.
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they see him as a flawed candidate as well. >> alabama is one of the reddest states. is it a waste of resources for democrats to go in that state and try to play? >> look, we know alabama's tough. i'm not suggesting there's an easy path. what i'm saying is there is a potential path especially the good candidate we have. nobody is suggesting this is a cake walk. it would be a hard fought fight. we do believe when the people of alabama look at this race, they're going to be looking primarily for a senator who has character and integrity and we know roy moore is not that candidate. >> senator, before i let you go, nbc news -- i got to ask you about this. at the university of chicago polled a bunch of millennials asking about their opinions of the political parties here. just 26% of millennials see the republican party favorably. 58% unfavorably. but the numbers for democrats, i know you can't see it, but they're not great either.
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43% favorable. 42% unfavorable. this is exactly the demographic that democrats have been going after. why does it seem democrats are failing to get these younger people excited about your party? >> well, i do believe democrats need to reach out in all the different ways we can. on college campuses whether it's four-year community colleges, apprenticeship programs, we need to go to where the younger voters are. we need to reach them where they are. we do believe when it comes to issues like trying to reduce the cost of college which is simply unaffordable, that what we've offered is something that is strongly supported by millennials and younger voters. but we need to do a better job of connecting with them. and i can assure you that in this midterm race, the 2018 race, our candidates are reaching out across the country in each of their states. >> senator chris van holland, thank you for joining us. we want to close the show as always with today's big picture. for this one we're heading to
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indonesia. it's a striking photo. a man standing outside a temple in ba lee. what's he looking at? a volcano. it's been rumbling for days and might actually erupt for the first time in 50 years which has the people on ba lee li on edge. people have been evacuated from the area just in case. the photographer here from the ap. as always love to hear your thoughts. facebook, twitter, snapchat, and instagram. in the meantime, ali velshi and stephanie rhule want to talk about taxes, taxes, and more taxes. >> that's what you might think. except right after the director says your microphones are open, stephanie rhule said that's where i went to my honeymoon in ba lee. >> the big picture sparking conversation. >> what i really wanted to get into would not be appropriate for tv, so let's get into it this


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