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the president deletes tweets and gets behind roy moore. >> i'm very happy with him. >> can democrats prevent a senator roy moore? >> it's the lack of morality in our country that has led to these things. >> then -- >> when i first heard the president's comments, i was so enraged -- >> no concern over the trump response in puerto rico. >> a lot of people that work in the shipping industry that don't want the jones act lifted. >> and new details of tom price's private jet travel emerge -- >> i'm not happy about it. >> the president's bizarre claim a day after graham cassidy failed. >> i feel we have the votes. >> we have the votes. i'm almost certain we have the votes. >> when "all in" starts right now.
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good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. president trump tried to erase history last night. the president deleting three tweets he had written in support of appointed alabama senator luther strange just hours after strange was resoundingly defeated in a special gop election for jeff sessions old senate seat. the election result was a massive embarrassment. he had traveled in alabama to campaign for strange as had mike pence and reportedly spent more than $10 million to prop up strange. none of it worked. instead roy moore won the race. moore who was removed as alabama chief justice twice is an anti-gay birther who says muslims shouldn't allowed to serve in congress and that the september 11th attacks may have been america's punishment. moore's win is just the beginning. >> you're going to say in state
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after state, the people that follow the model of judge moore that do not need to raise money from the elites, new york city, silicon valley. >> in the wake of moore's >> in the wake of moore's victory, trent lot told the "the new york times," quote, every republican senator had better get prepared for a challenge from the far right. target number one will be the gop establishment, frequently mitch mcconnell. times reporting that senior gop strategists concludes that the conservative base loathes its leaders in washington the way it detested president obama. bob corker yesterday announced his retirement. ambitious politicians are plotting primary challenges that will likely turn very very ugly. as for roy moore, current republican senators are already
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being asked if they agree with his views. >> do you have an issue with any of the things he's saying? >> i haven't had a chance to look through all of those things. >> let's give him a chance to advance the agenda that will be good for our country. >> indeed instead of fighting to stop him, the gop establishment is welcoming a man who wants to criminalize homosexual conduct. mike pence, congratulations roy moore. we're thrilled you ran on the the maga agenda and we're for you. the president deleted his prostrange tweets was paul in as well. sounds like a really great guy who won a great race. he elaborated this afternoon. >> we have a man who's going to
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be a great senator and i'm very happy with that. i spoke with him last night. i never met him, never spoke to him. i'm very happy with him. >> joining me now, moderate republican congress charley dent in pennsylvania who announced his own retirement early this month. should they be working to length roy moore to the senate? >> i'll leave that up to the senate committee. i'll leave it up to them. clearly there could be a race now. this is alabama. it should go republican. but i think roy moore's nomination certainly gives the democrats some hope that they might be able to make a run at this. unlikely as it is. i'm not sure what they're going to do right now. if i'm senator mcconnell, this certainly comp cates his life.
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>> this is your party, you're not going to seek reelection. you're still republican. this is the republican stand in alabama, a man for instance who says something like newton or 9/11 is a payback for the fact that america has lost its way, it's god punishing us for being immoral. do you agree with that view? >> i absolutely do not agree with that view. one's religious views should not interfere with their judgment in congress. of course we're all guided by our faith as we should be but we have to be tolerant of people who are different than we are. i would not be invest in that race if i were the senate republicans. one, they don't need to and two, they need to put their resources where they can do more good in say, nevada or arizona or wherever there's a real challenge. >> i guess my question is shouldn't the institution -- let me give you an example. david duke, remember when david duke won a primary and he was the republican standard barer in the gubernatorial race.
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what you saw was the party from the president to the top said we do not want to associate with this man. that is a possibility if the candidate is judged by the party to be too reprehensible to the party values. what i'm asking you is does roy moore fit in that category? >> in my view he comes close to that. i won't say he's david duke. but he's made a number of statements that seem to me to be very intolerant in many respects and need to be condemned. those statements. i don't know the man, never met the man. but i think this is going to set off potentially a new level of crazy in terms of the political environment, at least for the senate seats. we're going to see more infighting within the republican
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primaries, particularly in the southern states, in tennessee, in mississippi, potentially arizona, in nebraska even. i think there's some challenges here. but look, the senate has always been the more deliberate body where people tend to make more measured statements in tones. the house tends to be a little more rambunctious. i'm curious to see if he's elected to the senate. but it will make life over the republican conference i suspect more complicated for senator mcconnell. >> could you tell a voter who is trying to make up their mind in alabama that they should vote for roy moore? >> i'm not going to give the people of alabama any advice as to how they should vote in an election for the senate. that's up to them.
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obviously they made a choice last night and they selected roy moore over luther strange and i'm going to leave it up to the people of alabama to make that decision. i tend not to interfere in their races. >> thanks for your time tonight. for more i'm joined by writer for esquire charlie piers who just got a story and michelle goldberg, whose debut looks at the tear any of the minority. i want to start on that theme. one of the things to keep in mind here. there are 4 million people in alabama. roy moore won 262,000 votes last night. that is a sizable minority of the people that vote in the republican primary. but the nature of american politics is if you win the primary, you're on your way to the u.s. senate. >> and it goes beyond alabama right because now you're seeing all of these other senators who are being incredibly responsive either dropping out or going to be incredibly responsive to fair right challenges.
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when you think about what's happening in this country, you have the situation where people are going into their congressional representatives office you know begging, pleading for a hearing, you know, congressmen refusing to meet with their constituents. because the only people they are really accountable to is that margin. >> the roy moore voter basically. >> exactly. right. and they just -- they have no incentive structure for them to take into account the needs or desires even of the majority of their constituents. >> charlie, this seemed to me, you know, there's an argument that donald trump is signature figure on tv for years and there's a question of could a nontrump trump happen and i feel like we got our answer last night. >> within the republican party certainly he can. both donald trump and roy moore are the products of 40 years of movement conservative republican politics within the party. they were cruising for this
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particular moment in history and it finally arrived. they deliberately married themselves to fear, bigotry and unreason. and when you do that you create a power block within your membership that can flip elections. the idea that 200,000 of my fellow citizens think a, you know, lawless theocratic crack pot should be in the united states senate, that's still terrifying to them. i don't care what percentage of the voting public it is. >> there's another way in which i think there's an analogy to trump, which is this, to charlie's point. not only is this person in charlie's word a lawless theocrat, he's a french figure. >> except he's not a french figure anymore. >> he's going to be a u.s. senator. i want to play this tape. this is so key. one of the things that distinguished donald trump is he didn't know anything about anything having to do with policy and that's course of roy moore. roy moore goes on a conservative
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talk radio show during the election with a guy who i think basically wants to support him, he's really into daca and rescinding it and this is the exchange they have on daca. take a listen. >> would you support an end to the d.r.e.a.m.ers program that president trump has still wanted to push? >> pardon, the >> yes. >> you're not aware of what d.r.e.a.m.ers are? >> no. >> this is a big issue in the immigration debate. d.r.e.a.m.ers are -- >> why don't you tell me what it is. quit beating around. >> even bracketing everything, bracketing everything, he doesn't know the first thing about what issues are before the country. >> i think to him the issues that are before the country are
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the ten commandments and whether we're going to recognize the united states as a christian nation and everything else is superfluous detail. and the alabama voters are okay with that. >> the world view couldn't be more different. donald trump is not a believer. he is not a pious man. he's not going to put the ten commandments in the lobby of trump tower. and yet there's some similarity here. what is it? >> some similarity is the deliberate alliance that the republican party has made since roughly the late '70s with unreason and with unthinking theocracy. and those people haven't abandoned donald trump even though he's far from them. i suspect i'm closer to most evangelical voters than donald trump is.
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but i once had an argument with a guy who said that evangelical voters within the secular sphere would vote for anybody as long as they said the right things an xyz issues. i told them that was wrong. i take it back. they all voted for donald trump who doesn't stand for anything except for the ability to point out who is doing -- who your imaginary enemies are and who are the imaginary people you should hate. >> that is where you see a similarity. >> absolutely. >> donald trump is like the secular roy moore. roy moore has a famous poem called "america the beautiful." it's about how america is a quote unquote moral slum. if you look about the language of how the country is completely depraved and defiled, it sounds like carnage.
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they both have the ideology that the country -- >> decline. >> in the gutter and that only some kind of magical resurrection, you know, either maga or the second coming is going to save thing. and they're both conspiracy theorists, both birthers, and they both speak to similar resentiments and also they're both kind of the rule breakers. >> you should also look up antinomian. it's not a mistake that he was backing both of them. how do you beat a senate candidate who said newton and 9/1 is 1 happened because america has lost its morals. in just two minutes. who knew that phones would start doing everything?
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roy has a very good chance of not winning. in the general election. it's all about the general -- don't forget. we don't stop here. you got to beat a democrat. luther is going to win easily and roy is going to have a hard time winning. >> that's the hope for democrats that roy moore will have a hard time beating his democratic opponent. and that man is doug jones, a former u.s. attorney who prosecuted kkk members in the 1963 bombing of a black church which killed four girls. this is jones first run for political office but he's raised $100 million to date. the democrat could have little chance in alabama but the man that jones is running against is after all roy moore. in 2003 moore was removed by u.s. supreme justice after he defied a federal court order for refusing to remove a 10 commandments monument he had made.
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again he was removed as chief justice by his peers for his instruction to probate judges to refuse to issue same-sex marriage licenses in contravention of the united states supreme court. then there's moore's views on homosexuality itself. >> do you think homosexual, homosexuality or homosexual conduct should be illegal today? that's a yes or no question. >> homosexual conduct should be illegal, yes. >> should be illegal? >> yes. >> he's consistently ruled against gay parents. he's called islam a quote false religion and said that muslims like representative keith ellison should not be allowed in congress. he has suggested that the attacks of 9/1 is on god's punishment for abortion and sodomy, a position he still won't deny.
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>> one of the questions that people are going to be bringing up immediately is you're saying that america's lack of acknowledgment of god, a lot of these situations, 9/11, the shootings and killings -- >> i'm not god. i don't know what god. i'm saying it's the lack of morality in our country which has led to these things and the only basis of morality in this country is god and it's shown in our history. >> written extensively on the politics and joins me now. the question that was floating around, democrat doesn't have a chance. does doug jones have a chance? >> it's definitely an uphill climb for doug jones, but this is not impossible. i mean if you look back at 2012 when roy moore last ran for office -- now, a lot has happened since 2012.
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roy moore ran in a race against democrat named bob vance. bob vance got 48% of the vote in that election. republican voters either undervoted in that election, they don't vote for either candidate or they crossed over and voted for the democrat in that election. so that's giving doug jones an democrats in this state a little bit of hope that this might be within reach whereas if luther strange or another candidate had won the nomination last night that that wouldn't be the case. >> one of the things that we saw happen in the presidential election with donald trump was this idea that i think people strategists the democrats had was he's going to turn off these suburban country club republican voters who are going to be so offended by hymn they're going to vote for hillary clinton. and while the margins, there was some improvement for instance over mitt romney or decline over mitt romney, this didn't bare out.
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that seems to be the question here. people are going to come home to the republican party is the bet that the republicans are making. >> yeah. that's -- look, the democrats don't have any illusions like that in alabama. that's not something that they're banking on here. what i do think you're going to see doug jones coming out with is he's going to emphasize a very positive campaign. he has a very tough needle to thread here because roy moore's magic trick is that roy moore depends on his opponents to do a lot of the work for him. so if you attack him for being a religious nut, well his base then gets that much more agitated and that much more likely to turn out. so he has to emphasize a very positive campaign that he's not going to embarrass alabama and i think you're going to hear doug jones using a phrase that republicans tend to use instead which is emphasizing the rule of law.
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here is a judge who has twice been removed from the bench because he violated the law. and emphasizing the hypocrisy of that and using that to appeal to the conservatives. >> the instinct, and we saw this play out in the election, you play all of the greatest things that he said that may offend people and what i'm hearing from you is that's a trap. if you try to do that you will make him stronger. >> you can but you have to do that in a targeted campaign. you run it through social media, facebook. make sure that message is being received by the audience who needs to hear it, not a mass audience. you don't go on television using attack ads against roy moore as luther strange just learned the hard way. >> do you think that backfired against strange? >> strange had a lot of baggage coming into this. and i hope people outside this state understand that. he got this appointment through
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really auspicious means. we had a governor here who his office, when he was attorney general was investigating and he basically put that investigation on hold, you know, stonewalled, an impeachment investigation into governor bentley. at the same time he's going to the governor soliciting the appointment to jeff sessions old senate seat and that did not sit well with anybody here. a lot of people saw that as gross and corrupt. and i think for a lot of people here last night, this was not even so much a vote against roy moore as it was a referendum on robert bentley. >> all right. kyle whitmire, thank you. >> thank you. still to come, republicans now warning the white house to gets its act together in puerto rico to avoid a katrina style event as the president gives a head turning answer as to why more shipments are not headed to the island. more on that next. jimmy's gotten used to his whole room smelling like sweaty odors.
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there are new questions today about whether the federal government is doing everything it possibly can to help the more than 3 million americans in puerto rico who remain without power following the devastation from hurricane marina. congressional democrats and republicans have joined together to call on the president to waive a 100-year-old shipping restrictions that makes it much harder and more expensive for nonamerican ships to deliver goods. in this case emergency supplies like water, medicine or fuel. congressman gutierrez made the last night. >> the jones act, it means that you add an inordinate new cost to anything you receive on the island of puerto rico. let's get the ships that are closest to the materials that
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are needed and that are cost effective and get them. let's lift it. >> the federal government waived the jones act during the recent hurricane recovery efforts in florida and texas. but yesterday the department of security said there aren't enough ships to move the cargo. it's the lack of port capacity that's the issue. today dhs said they had not in fact decided about the waiver. but president trump let slip what may be the real reason the government isn't waiving the jones act. the truth behind that decision coming up next.
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millions of americans in puerto rico are desperate for basic supplies, food, water and fuel. but a nearly century old shipping law is making it harder for the ships to deliver the aid. here's what the president said today. >> we have a lot of shippers and a lot of people and a lot of people that work in the shipping industry that don't want the jones act lifted and we have a lot of ships out there right now. and the governor was generous yesterday with some statements and so was the mayor of san juan, very generous with their statements. that is a really tough situation. >> may i ask a question -- >> so the shipping industry doesn't want it loosened. senate john mccain of arizona pushed back immediately tweeting quote, shipping industry supports jones act because its protectionists. puerto rico deserves better than policy decisions driven by special interest.
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the island is in dire straits and urgently needs supplies. the power is out. clean water is nonexistent. the "the new york times" reported on the problems in hospitals, many of which are closed or having to turn patients away because they don't have supplies or electricity. many parts of the island remain flooded and long lines for generator fuel and water. when the supplies arrive, the struggle is far from over. one cbs reporter tweeting this from san juan today. >> there are more than 3,000 shipping containers here at the part which are just sitting here. it's got everything they need. i literally said to somebody what's on there. and they said whatever you need. anything that a grocery store would need but it's just sitting here. >> jennifer rode out hurricane maria. spoke 0 to the president this
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afternoon and will join him on tuesday when he travel to the island. what is your understanding of what the bottlenecks are. why are supplies sitting in the shipping yard? >> we still need -- there's a lack of personnel manpower and have the proper logistic to move the shipment not just from the ports but also from the airplanes arriving to the island and to maximize those help and send them to the municipalities and the towns. you've got a lot of people waiting for six or seven hours to get the $10 bucket of gasoline, maybe five hours for a $2 bag of ice. and the main problem we've got, this's not enough policemen. not enough manpower and troops there to make the logistics nap's the reason president trump sent today a general to help in the oversee of the response and the logistics, to -- has been sent not just by the federal government but also the people
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with the humanitarian gift that we're receiving from all over the united states and all over the world, it's staying in containers as you just said. and that's happening right now, people are having a lot of problems in our hospitals. we just got 29 that are actually operational at this time. this is a dire situation right now. >> it doesn't seem to me, having tracked this day by day and having been in contact with people on the island that the trend line of improvement is fast enough. would you agree with that in. >> we have to acknowledge. this is a major disaster. we're used to hurricanes but never got a hurricane like this, at least in this century. we're talking about the whole power lines, it's down. communications are down. the radar from the airport, international airport, it was
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down. it was three flights until today there is 18. but we strive for 42 flights per day. so the challenge here is arriving stuff to the island, sending stuff by sea or by air. and the main problem we've got, even when we got more than 5,000 personnel from fema and the federal agencies in the island before the hurricanes and after the hurricanes, the problem is that we need more stuff. we need more help. that's the reason that i'm happy that president trump and the cabinet are sending troops, they're sending personnel during the weekend to the island to held. i mean, with the logistics. we don't have the capability to manage this kind of dire situation when you got a lot of debris on the roads, when you got more than nine bridges that were washed away with the rivers, municipalities in town,
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people dying because they don't have chemo or dialysis. >> this is something -- do we know -- are you confident that there aren't people that right now as we speak who aren't near death for lack of access? >> yes. i can tell you with direct knowledge, you know what? because my office was coordinating today to have some babies with problems to get out of the -- evacuated from the island. i coordinated with the coast guard the movement of 25 patients of chemo just this evening. i coordinated with the coast guard and they did -- and thank you for that, to move patient to receive dialysis. that's happening right now. we're using our -- our hospitals are with generators. there's no power on the island. this is a real humanitarian crisis. i'm happy that the president put his, you know, his will and he's
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coming to the island, he's sending the troops. sending the held. the speaker of the house, paul ryan, just said this week there's going to be another relief package for the hurricanes, especially for puerto rico. and i hope this get done soon. >> all right. congresswoman, thank you. >> thank you. still ahead, our hh secretary tom price's days are numbers in the trump administration. the man at the center of an unfolding massive scandal is trying to sabotage obamacare. plus, presidential math in thing 1 thing 2 next.
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thing one tonight, a day after senate republicans said they would not vote on a health care bill because they did not have the votes needed to pass it, the president composed an extraordinary tweet. quote, with one yes vote we have the health care vote but not for friday. now i cover this stuff for a living.
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i pay pretty close attention and for the life of me i could not figure out what the president was tweeting about. after senator susan collins, john mccain and rand paul all announced their opposition to the bill, the republicans said they didn't have the votes for it. senator bill cassidy said, and i quote him, we don't have the votes. and who on earth was this yes vote senate stuck in the hospital. >> we have the votes for health care. we have one senator that's in the hospital. we can't vote because he's in the hospital. he can't vote because he's in the hospital. we have two other votes that are coming and we will have them. i feel we have the votes. i'm almost certain we have the votes. but with one man in the hospital we cannot display that we have them. we have the votes. we can't do it now because we have somebody in the hospital. in other words he can't come here and vote because he's in the hospital. he's in the hospital.
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one of our guest votes is in the hospital. i can't take -- wait. i can't take him out of the hospital. >> well, it turns out there was no senate in the hospital. and we know that because the senator who trump was talking about went on twitter to say i'm not hospitalized. and that's thing 2 in 60 seconds.
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he can't vote because he's in the hospital. we have two other votes that are coming and we will have them. i feel we have the votes. i'm almost certain we have the votes. but with one man in the hospital we cannot display that we have them. >> an hour or so after the president repeatedly claimed that a senator was in the hospital, senator thad cochran, who according to his hospital had recently been tweeted for a urological issue tweeted thanks for your well wishes. i am not in the hospital but i look forward to returning to work soon. trump was wrong to declare nine
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times today to declare that a republican vote was hospitalized. in an event in indianapolis this afternoon, the president stopped repeating one of the blatant false hoods. >> we have the votes on graham-cassidy. but with the rules of reconciliation, we're up against a deadline of friday. two days. that's just two days. and yes vote senator, we have a wonderful senate, great great senator who is a yes vote but he's home recovering from a pretty tough situation. ch home . i like how you shop for loans the same way you shop for flights online. i didn't realize at lendingtree you can save money on almost any sort of loan.
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which gop leaders had blocked. but even as the senate gets back to work, working out fixing for some of the problems with obamacare, the trump administration seems to be doing just about everything it can to sabotage the law, intentionally making health care more expensive and less accessible for the people who depend on it. today vax and buzzfeed reported that the department of health services is pulling out of events across the country which help people get signed up on the exchanges. one director said hhs's destructive actions will ultimately reduce enrollment. this comes after hhs announced that it's cutting the overall budget for obamacare outreach by 70%, 90% cut to the advertising budget and as much as a 92% cut to the health care navigators. those obstacles could trigger an obamacare death spiral if they prevent enough young and healthy people from signing up. premiums are rising thanks to
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the trump administration's wavering on what are known as cost sharing reductions, subsidize out of pocket costs for americans. mississippi announced an average increase of 47% specifically pointing to the administration's refusal to guarantee those future payments. with just over three months for americans. mississippi announced an average increase of 47% specifically pointing to the administration's refusal to guarantee those future payments. with just over three months until open enrollment, the man driving all of the sabotage campaign may not last that long. while tom price's days could be numbered, next.
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it has not been a good week for tom price. the secretary of health and human services following a string of exposes from politico on his use of expensive private jets. charging over $400,000 to the taxpayers since just may on travel that sometimes combined personal and government business. inspector general has started review and republican-led committee is getting on the case launching investigation into agency travel. most ominously for price, man who appointed him is taking
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notice. president telling reporters he was not happy. >> i was looking into it and will look into it and i will tell you personally i'm not happy about it. >> what are you going to do? >> i will look at it. not happy and let him know it. >> not only one with taste for luxury travel. scott pruitt has spent more than $58,000 taxpayers dollars, almost all to single day of travel in his home state of oklahoma. health care reporter for politico who helped break the story. you've been doing amazing reporting. thanks for coming on. how big a deal do you think the president's comments are? >> i think they're notable. president is not rushing to defend secretary price's use of private planes. on the other hand though, seen
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this in the past where trump will say we'll see when he wants to dodge something. it's fair to say price is on thin ice but lose his job? don't know that yet. >> beginning was drip, drip, drip. one weekend, $50,000 of cost and then got another bill, $300,000 up to $400,000. what is the story ahs is telling now why he needs to spend that money? >> most of the time is tom price is very busy man with a lot of commitments and he needs to get to places and commercial aircraft is not best or most efficient way to do that. and to that we've responded by finding commercial available to many of the cities almost always at much less cost to the tax payer.
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not given us a solid justification as to why secretary price is taking private planes. as we reported yesterday, two of the trips we dug into was mixing of official business according to ahs and definitely personal ties that secretary price has to the places he went. >> lunch with son anashville, do i and a half early to georgia where he owns property for some examples. used to run a series called "fleecing of america," find someone with hand in the till. d.c. to nashville was $18,000 flight for 90 minutes of work in nashville for $200 on commercial air correct? >> and on the ground just under six hours we found based on the contracts and flight records we were able to locate. how ahs is justifying this is went to medical dispensary where he spoke and summit in the
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d.c. to nashville was $18,000 flight for 90 minutes of work in nashville for $200 on commercial air correct? >> and on the ground just under six hours we found based on the contracts and flight records we were able to locate. how ahs is justifying this is went to medical dispensary where he spoke and summit in the afternoon where he made another speech but really the amount of time he was doing official work in his capacity as secretary was 90 minutes roughly. really very little compared to how much he spent on the flight itself. >> again, excellent work. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> bring in josh earnest, former white house press secretary under president obama and now political analyst. how out of the ordinary is this? >> totally extraordinary. thing that's troubling about it
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not just price but there's been stories about steve mnuchin wanting to take a government military aircraft on his honeymoon given his national security demands and scott pruitt. thing that trump team fails to understand is idea of what public service actually is. they think they deserve to be rewarded for public service. tom price thinks deserves to fly on the private planes because he's important. i worked in the white house. >> i never thought of you as important. >> i wasn't. it's not glamorous. wake up in morning subject to being mocked, protested. go to bed late. miss family events, cut vacations short but what you get to do is go to bed at night with self-satisfaction knowing you convicted to something bigger than yourself. >> you're living up to your last
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name. >> that's heart of this whole thing that they fail to understand what they're supposed to be doing. >> also just a question of controls. that's true, spirit that's animating people. but you have controls in place. i got to imagine, should say my wife worked in obama white house the first several years. just talking to her, if anyone at one of the agencies had started running up $100,000 bill for private jets someone would have caught that and said what are you doing right? >> definitely. occasionally there were times first person to catch it was republican in congress who was rightfully upset about it. that's the role, congress provide oversight over executive branch to make sure money is well-spent. but these things were prevented from becoming problems by people in the administration stepping up saying you can't take a private plane. it's not responsible use of
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taxpayers dollars. >> rahm emanuel on the phone and call if it got back to him if secretary chartered d.c. to nashville jet. would no the have flown. >> and others with reputations you didn't want to get crossways with. felt obligation to the president of the united states to make sure we lived up to to the high -- we're seeing republican secretaries live down to the standard established by president trump. >> one reason not to do it, spirit of public service. other is looks bad. might get in trouble. they blew through both of these. even if you're not animated by spirit of public service, second one usually keeps people in check. don't want name in the papers but i have to remind people tom price was accused of series of extremely sketchy stock transactions, selling things he had knowledge and oversight of in congressional perch and he was confirmed anyway.
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wonder what message it sent to him. >> clearly the wrong one. this is why it's important for this reporting. has to be accountability somewhere. it not officials inside the administration or republicans in congress prepared to hold them accountable, has to be public accountability. >> can he keep his job doing this? >> apparently followed letter of the law. i don't know if there's criminal penalties but inspector general is looking at this and there has been oversight requests made which is how the pruitt thing came out. we'll see what broader impact is but only having this conversation not because administration stepped forward but reporters were doing excellent work and deserve credit. >> great to you have. come by anytime. that's it for this evening.
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tonight as nearly six in ten americans disprove of donald trump in office as similar pollsters saying he isn't fit to serve. plus the latest on the russia front. members of congress moving to protect mueller from getting fired by trump as mueller prepares to interview trump white house aides. and live report from puerto rico tonight where it's been seven long days and nights since the storm blew everything down. "the 11th hour" on a wednesday night begins now. well, good evening once again from our nbc headquarters here in new york. day 251 of the trump administration brings the president looking for a win on a new front any, any front.