some of my final seconds, plugging phillip bump, unbelievable reporting on the dossier. we talk about it all the time. if you ever want to be in a conversation about it, read his piece. my thanks to my panel. that does it for our hour. i'm nicolle wallace. "mtp daily" starts right now. hi, chuck. >> nicolle, how are you? >> good. and you? >> good. always proud you're a colleague. thank you. >> i feel the same about you. >> yes. one of those days. so thank you. if it's thursday, it's the great republican divide. tonight -- the four worrying factions of the republican party. >> i don't think the american people want to see us up here yelling at each other. >> who are they fighting for? plus -- the american opioid crisis -- >> i want the american people to know the federal government is
aggressively fighting the opioid epidemic on all fronts. >> with today's declaration, and what it means for those on the front lines of his epidemic. and, the jfk files. why have they been sealed all of these years, and why open them now? this is "mtp daily," and it starts right now. good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington and welcome to "mtp daily." folks seems republican leaders spent the last 48 hours pretty much doing different version of this -- >> all right. move on. nothing to see here! please! nothing to see here. please! >> we thought we'd want to give you a little laugh. anyway, president trump today insisted again that there is no divide in the gop. he said, do not underestimate
the unity within the republican party. speaker of the house paul ryan today insisted again the public isn't interested in the party's in-fighting. >> i don't think the american people care about that. you know what the american people want to see us do? solve their problems. i don't think the american people want to see us up here yelling at each other. they want to see us fighting for them. >> but, folks, the gop hasn't figure out how to get what it wants. yesterday president trump was confident his war of words with senator corker would not imperil hi tax plan and today corker unloaded on that tax plan. >> i can't believe i'm going to say this on my program and get the kind of incoming i'm getting ready to get by saying this, but some of the things we're doing, i'm sorry, are ridiculous and not going to drive one ounce of economic growth, but it's -- you know, unfortunately what you have to do to pass a tax bill.
we could take a lot of this off and throw it in the trash can. >> folks, if you want to understand why the party's civil war seems to have hit a tipping point, check this out. the pew report, exhaustive project every few years revealing deep fissures inside the party. divided into four distinction groups. first and biggest, you might call the core conservatives. they make up 13% of the push lick and you might think of the establishment republicans like bob corker, jeff flake, they tend to be financially comfortable. they want smaller government. also want lower corporate taxes and don't want the u.s. taking a less active role on the world stage. they want a more active role. as the largest and most politically active group you might think they have the most influence inside the gop. but then how do you explain why flake and corker's attacks on the president haven't led to more condemnations of the president? well, one explanation starts with this group called the
country-first conservatives. immigration hard-liners. unhappy with the country's direction. think of steve king, or roy moore that you believe fits this group best. this group makes up only 6% of the public but in some respects teamed up with the market skeptic republicans who are nearly as big a chunk of the population as the core conservatives. this group is deeply critical of many major instooness in government. perhaps best fit in respects father/son duo of ron and rand fall. steve bannon seemingly knitted together the country-first conservatives and skeptic republicans and combined, guess what? they outnumber the core conservatives. lastly, the new era republicans. they're more culturally diverse and pro-business. don't view immigrants as a burden on country. you might want to say the best representatives of those folks are people like marco rubio and jeb bush. bottom line, mainstream republican party has a lot of work to do if it wants to take
back control of its party, and a big "if." their brand is both rejected and watered down. used to be the winds of the party had that accommodate the establishment. now it feels the other way around. joining me, andy card, and also msnbc news political analyst and hate this, part of the establishment. aren't you? >> i am proudly part of the establishment and the republican party is in the midst of a great debate, and the earthquake is happening in different places, and we don't know where to stand, but i can tell you, this is a challenge, and i tend to agree with paul ryan. i don't -- i'm not sure the american public is paying that much attention to it because there's so much going ob, but there is great frustration in america and i think people are focused on the frustration than republicans frustration with each other. >> lindsey graham was here on sunday and backed off on some of the criticism of president trump in this respect. just said, hey, he won. we got to listen to him this
year a little bit. the establishment has essentially lost at the ballot box. the core conservatives. your wing of the party lost at the ballot box. a lot in '16 and seeing it now. what do you think the lesson should be? is your group out of touch with where the republican party is headed, or where the republican -- bad at messaging where you want to take the party? >> i think bad at delivering significant results that benefit the middle class. and so maybe we have been used to talking to each other rather than to the people, and they think we haven't been listening to them, that we don't understand them, appreciate their angst. i'm not a creature of washington today. i don't live in the washington, d.c. area. yes, i'm a product, a political product of the washington, d.c. experience. but i think there is frustration on both sides. i think the democrats have had frustration manifested in bernie sanders. republicans frustration manifested in, first, ron paul
and rand paul and then donald trump. what i do think the republican party has to do now is get something done. i was pleased that they passed a budget in the house that is the senate budget which means we can get to reconciliation. >> is it possible, though, that we're trying to make people work together that just -- the disagreements are too deep? i sit here and look. look, you're in the core -- so you're a free trader? >> a free trader. >> steve bannon is not. trade is not a small thing. this is a big thing. is this one of those things where -- free traders will have to find a new party? or -- i guess the question is, who decides if the republican party is a party, a bunch a free traders or protectionist fair traders? >> a party of opportunity and the wanted more people to have opportunity. i happen to think free trade brings opportunity, not just to the united states but ent tire world and that's a good thing. a good thing. >> you see, a bunch of people america firsters saying, look, glad you're lifting the poverty
level over there, that's nice, but what's that done for me? >> i don't think america first necessarily means exclude the rest of the world. i think there are lots of people in america that feel america hasn't paid attention to america. there is angst at home and republicans didn't do a good job understanding that. democrats did a worse job of understanding it. they misunderstood it, and that is reflected why the democratic party is just as fractured as the republican party right now. >> just not in power. >> they're not in power. >> you don't see it. >> republicans have to demonstrate they are in power and can get things done and i think they have to give the benefit of the doubt to president trump. they really can't really lead on their own. they have to lead with direct -- >> a mistake? first nine months? i could argue congress set this agenda, at least the timetable for the agenda and forced that timetable on this white house? a white house that wasn't ready to sign on to all of this stuff? >> i think president trump had
false expectations, in part because he'd never been a part of the process. he never governed anything. he was a business leader and a privately owned family business. so inviting people to be part of the solution is something a president has to do and he didn't do a good job inviting people to the part of the solution. also thought he could set the agenda. congress sets that when things come up but can't get things done unless the president embraces their agenda. >> a clip from president trump from last week and ask you whether a republican can win office after a comment like this from former president bush. >> -- our politics seems more vulnerable to conspiracy theories and outright fabrication. bullying and prejudice in our public life sets a national tone. provides permission for cruelty and bigotry, and compromises the moral education of children. the only way to pass along civic
values is to first live up to them. >> andy, i gave thaw sentence and didn't tell you who said it, you'd say, something we can all agree on. should be not a controversial statement. because he said it, the assumption, number one, speaking about president trump. and frankly, hard not to assume he was. why is that considered what he said a political statement? >> i don't think it should be. it should be a statement we all awe glee with. i happen to agree very strongly in what president bush said, like wa he said, agree. >> and bob corker, if he said it, it would hurt him right now. he'd be seen as attacking president trump? >> i am pained that the republican party seems to be moving away from a party of inclusion to a party of exclusion. we're the party of lincoln. lincoln brought people in to our party that. been invited in, in the past, and it changed the nature of
politics for 100 years. so that's the republican party that i believe in. >> that would be -- >> what president bush said wasn't about the republican party. he said it about the whole country, and i agree with what president george w. bush said and i -- look, i want donald trump to succeed, because he's our president. but i am frustrated by the language that he has allowed others to use and some of the language he has used. >> do you think bob corker and jeff flake are making a mistake not campaigning themselves -- not taking this fight to the ballot box, by walking away from the ballot box? >> i'm not sure. those are such individual decisions when you run for office. it's really hard -- >> given the impression the establishment is running away -- >> giving the impression they can't win. >> because of their establishment. >> and that's a tragedy. look, you need a congress that is close to the people, but not driven by the mob. you need one that exercises judgment. you need a senate that can bring wisdom to the debate along with judgment to help the president do his job.
and i don't want the president to deny the responsibility that he has to help invite people to be part of the solution, and he's going to have a hard time winning this tax battle if he can't get 50 senators so that the vice president can make that deciding vote and say, 51, we have tax reform. >> andy card, always a pleasure, sir. thank you. nice to see you. >> thank you. as we said top of the show, most republicans this week were unified in one message. there's nothing to see here. let's get back to work. >> the american people want results and so that's what we're focused on, and i honestly believe the more unified we are in pursuing solutions that solve the american people's problems, that's what the people who sent us here to do. >> there is a commitment within the republican party to fight for limited government. a fight to restore separation of powers and federalism. >> the focus at yesterday's lunch, 60-minute-plus thoughtful dialogue talking about the issues, tax cuts, health care.
that's what the american people want to see us focused on, but i, for one, believe we ought to quit fighting each other, everywhere we can, and focus -- focus -- on the substantive issues. >> bring in tonight's pam. michael steele, former adviser to george bush and house speaker john boehner. dare we call him mr. establishment. and eugene, a "washington post" calm um lift. establishment. and amy, political reporter and "new york times" establishment. here at nbc. establishment. i have teased -- michael steele, started with you. put up percentages breakdown here. i thought against, a great job of splitting this us uniquely. core conservatives, market conservatives, market republican and new era enterpriser, put them, four coalitions here. so i guess michael steele, the majority clearly right now is this fused together country. you sthaep?
accept that, driving the party -- >> no. less gap between the core conservatives and the enterprisers. i think most smart core conservatives, the first category, understands the party has to grow for the future meaning bring more latinos -- >> they don't believe this. the middle categories. >> exactly. if the first and fourth categories work together as they usually do, what happened that was unusual in the 2016 presidential nominating process, those two categories were split among at times eight or ten presidential candidates, whereas the two in the middle, ohcoalesd around one. the history of presidential primaries is almost always a mainstream candidate challenged from the right, defeating that challenge moving slightly to the right and tacking back. partial for ronald reagan. generally speaking, that's the pattern and not what we saw this time. >> eugene, you covered more of these campaigns than i have. fair to say instead of that, the other way around.
the establishment realizes they have to be accommodated? no longer the accommodators? >> that's the case now. the base of the party is trump's right now. and, look. the four segments are very interesting, but i can't remember a time when within the republican party there was, so much die vuvergence on core iss like free trade, for example. i never remember hearing substantial numbers of republicans or a segment of the party invaing against free trade pacts. something the -- >> you had in a wing probably there but always by itself. >> yes. very isolated. >> and what's new is combining that with the libertarian part of the party, also always been there, but generally insufficient in and of itself. >> and yamiche, that's the
growing part of the party a little. the market is skeptic. used to call them libertarians but they think all the institutions left them. trump stole that from the party. >> i was listening to senator flake's speech and i thought to myself, if someone so passionate about this, you can spend 17 minutes talking about this, but then look at your numbers and say, i can't do this anymore. to me, yes, his idea was about the idea, like, what i think about the idea have to be accommodated and doesn't want to fight where the party is going, but something in he doesn't have room for that. right? mrs. a political calculation he might not have won in arizona. when you look at senator collins and majkowski, staying and fighting, that's interesting to me, because they might be the part of the party that possibly wins this out, long, long, long, long term, but look on capitol hill. most of the people don't want to speak out and say anything what near jeff flake is saying, looking at the trump base as
their own constituents. >> that's where i'm not sure. are elected officials simply -- do they believe something different than their constituents? how many of the republican conference actually doesn't have the same ideology? >> also attention between the country club republicans and what h.w. bush used to call the extra chromosome set. always a degree of tension. >> did he say that on -- no wonder a one-termer, what you're saying? >> the people, elected republicans in congress and the administration are looking for results. they think whatever the divisions, whatever the ideological questions, today the house pass add budget that will allow us to get to tax reform and pass it with 50 votes in the senate. a big achievement in termt term getting something done to move the country forward and after that vote, speaker ryan in a room with representatives in the white house, democrats, republican, business groups working together to get this done to make people's lives better. >> yet, yew seieugene, thinking
reform. and the country first conservatives aren't going to be pleased potentially how this it breaking out. market skeptics, great. that's going up. might be hard to sell. >> and maybe not totally satisfied -- >> and 216-212 vote, such a close vote. an idea even as republicans have all of the control, there's no details yet. imagine that it's that close without them even having all the details. >> also misleading the close vote because they hadn't come to agreement on the state and local tax -- >> do you think most of those folks voted no assuming it would still be in there. >> agreement in the process, whether in ways and means on the floor, senate finance, wherever it is, there is some change in completely eliminating the local and state tax deduction. >> assume it goes well and they get some kind of tax cut. i frankly don't think they'll get grand tax reform. >> bob corker determined he's going to -- so will rand paul.
>> i don't think that's the result. but assume they get a tax cut. the day after that is the republican party all sweetness and -- i think the party, and i -- no. the party is in a sense a victim of its own success. it's been so successful in winning elections, but won elections with a bunch of people who don't agree with each other. >> disagree on who they -- just agree who they didn't like. >> disagree on a lot of things and have to duke this out. >> there is, write down democratic side, it's just not at pronounced. really isn't as propronounced. >> more pronounced but not as important. >> not important yet. >> i'm trying to go to break here. i'm promising you, we'll talk about that on the other side of the half hour. sticking with us. come ug up, the opioid crisis, what today's emergency declaration really means for those on the front lines trying to defeat this epidemic. where are we? about to see progressive's new home quote explorer.
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welcome back. those fractures in the republican party we talked about ux 9 race for governor in virginia putting them on full display as the republican candidate is forced to the right with less than two weeks to go. republican ed gillespie running ads on opposing the removal of confederate statues. take a look. >> ralph northam will take our statues down. ed gillespie were preserve them. >> i'm for keeping them up and he's nor taking them down. >> i don't think you'll see that in a washington, d.c. media market anytime soon but today gillespie got a tweet of support from president trump. ed gillespie will turn the really bad economy in virginia around. strong on crime and might save our great statues/heritage. folks, not only because it illustrates the fractures laid out at the beginning of the show. about as establishment republican as you can get.
tiptoeing away from these issues during the primary. 2017, not shying away from this kind of one might call it dog whistle politics. for president trump and steve bannon up set the applecarten, a guy like gillespie would have shunned this edge of the party. he needs to appeal to all parts of the coalition to win such a tight race that in virginia history shows, undecided, less than five points. back with more on "mtp daily" in 60 seconds. no, i took some pics with the app and... filed a claim, but... you know how they send you money to cover repairs and... they took forever to pay you, right? no, i got paid right away, but... at the very end of it all, my agent... wouldn't even call you back, right? no, she called to see if i was happy. but if i wasn't happy with my claim experience for any reason, they'd give me my money back, no questions asked. can you believe that? no. the claim satisfaction guarantee, only from allstate.
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battle, new mexico attorney general timed a lawsuit against the country's largest manufacturers and wholesale distribute others of opioids. a lawsuit that a lot of states attorney generals have been filing. mr. attorney general, welcome to the show, sir. >> thank you to having me. >> start with brass tacks here. what new tool do you have now you didn't have this morning? >> well, i'm pleased with the president that at least he's putting forth a greater awareness to the problem, while i appreciate him declaring a state of emergency, as a public health epidemic, the truth of the matter is we've been in a state of emergency more than a decade. i have young babies who are being addicted, and born at a rate that is ten times the national level, and quite frankly, i'm hopeful that the president will put some meaningful teeth behind real federal litigation to stem the tide of some of these companies that are responsible for what is quite a pipeline of destruction in some of our local states.
>> all right. let me ask you, what new tools do you now have at your disposal because of this public health emergency? are there ways -- do you have grants you're able to redirect? is this going to help you right now? >> well, i don't think it -- it releases the surge of resources we really need. i think it's a small step. i don't believe that there are any new resources. we are having to litigate for resources that have come out of the state coffers for years. what my litigation is hoping to do is to bring real dollars to education, treatment and law enforcement that is badly overrun right now by this failure of oversight agencies at the federal level, and i'm hoping that the president takes more serious steps, but i'm optimistic and think this is a small first step. >> talk about the lawsuit against the drug companies, because obviously a lot of parallels have been drawn to the lawsuits against the tobacco companies. and what those lawsuits ended up
creating was a windfall of cash for a lot of states to implement smoking cessation efforts. so let me ask you this -- do you hope the ultimate outcome of these lawsuits is some sort of gigantic financial settlement giving you the money to figure how to deal with this in new mexico? >> well, what i'm hoping is that the lawsuit will change the way business is done first. so if you're going to open up a drug store or a market of drugs dangerous in my community, there be funding set aside for treatment, law enforcement and education. you simply can't have corporate america flooding the market with dangerous drugs and then secondly not taking any responsibility for the price tag that they're leaving behind. so, yes. one, i hope the business changes. but also, too, out of the tobacco litigation we actually reduced tobacco use and saved lives. so there does have to be an
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i'm hoping that within that material and there's lots of it they'll be have indication as to the motive. the reason why he did what he did. >> welcome back. that was clint hill, who was the first secret service agent to reach president john fnkts kennedy after the shots were fired on that fateful day in dallas. after decades of anticipation and speculation and outright fabrication, a trove of previously classified documents about president kennedy's assassination were supposed to be made public today, and millions of people are hoping to learn new details about one of the country's most enduring mysteries. did lee harvey oswald act alone like the warren commission said he did. his story died when he was
killed shortly after his arrest. maybe the documents will tell us more. did the u.s. government know more about oswald than they let on? after waiting more than 50 years to see them. that's right. still waiting. the national archives needs the official release from president trump. he can't sign off until agencies specify what needs to stay under wraps. another twist in the tale with have plenty of conspiracies around it. lee harvey oswald and the assassination of jfk. he joins us on the show now p. thanks for having me. >> since you're plugged into this world as well what do you hear as to the explanation, it's 5:30 in the east and we don't have anything. >> remarkable to think, only had 25 years to get ready for this. i understand if could be a little late. just got off the phone with an attorney in washington, d.c. who
has filed suits before to try to get enforcement under the kennedy disclosure acts, and what he hears doesn't put the blame so much on the archives, he believes is ready to go forward with this massive release, although there are questions whether the servers could stand it. crashed a few months ago when just a handful of documents were released. the problem with the agencies within the white house, fbi and cia played it perfectly. nothing in the law says when to come up with objections they want to excise or redact. came in last day, meaning ten documents or 1,000, we don't know the number, somebody has to go through that. the question, can the president get the green light to the rest of them and get them out before midnight? we don't know the answer to that. >> more than 50 years since jfk was killed. what is left to redact, unless -- unless they -- it is a conspiracy? i hate to be that crass about it. my word!
what could the director of the fbi, mime pompeo at cia be worried about? >> first of all when we get all the documents one of the things you'll say, what did they keep them for? if they were serious and terrible documents, incriminating showing what was happening before a plat, before 1982 they would have gotten rid of those. the law only came in in the '90s. you can't destroy any kennedy document. before that, done house cleaning and gotten rid of everything. they are saying, creative on this. bulk of the argument, some documents about mexico city, oswald seven weeks before the assassination has cia spying on the cuban missions and soviets and we had mexican nationals, citizens, providing at informants information to the cia. some may have been 22, 23-year-old students, leftist students secretly providing information to the cia. today in late 70s or 80s went on
to their own lives. exposing though could be embarrassing. on the basis which they could be held, but a small chance. >> i agree with you. look, i have frankly, between -- oliver stone messing up the jfk conspiracy theories and i'll leave that aside, in your book. i'm a recovering conspiracy theorist on cia as i joke with friends, but it's aye r my understanding what the cia is really embarrassed about, we'll find out, they had more eyes on oswald than they realized, and that ultimately is the embarrassment they're trying to avoid. is that your understanding? >> in that six to eight -- period in mexico. right. what happened, he was there. that was, the spies, mexico, we didn't have cuban diplomatic missions in the united states. they were kicked out of after castro took over in '59. within half a mile, american em
bose, cuban, associate embassy. walks into the cuban embassy once and we want to know for years, many researchers and investigators and journalists, what did the cia learn in surveillance that might have indicated oswald was a danger and when he returned in october to america, did they tell anyone? chuck, you know the answer. didn't tell anyone. what the cia always does. gather information, put it aside but we don't know what the information was. >> one theory, they didn't know they had that information until after the assassination. that kind of bureaucratic snafu that would not surprise me at all, as a matter of fact, because it wasn't as though -- they file a lot of information on a lot of people. my favorite part of this entire episode after the assassination langley headquarters of cia sends a sort of request down to the mexico city cia chiefs and says, hey, you guys are doing video surveillance on the cuban missions and soviets. send us a picture of oswald.
send a picture from video surveillance that's not oswald. this isn't the guy arrested of in dallas. look. ah, oh. we just realized. our cameras weren't working on the day he walked in. it's from the beginning a case in which the cia protected its own reputation, lied to the warren commission, because they were in lead with the mob to try to kill fidel castro. were afraid that would come out, still information sealed. we'll lurn good little tips to embarrass them. >> a conspiracy, but nothing to do with kennedy is basically what you're saying? >> conspiracy to cover up their own reputation. >> one final question, which is -- what do you believe is the ultimate motive for lee harvey oswald? >> could have been shooting a mikita khrushchev. he was sour on both systems. a bit of a leftist with anarchy. he wanted to put himself in the
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♪ tresiba® ready ♪ welcome back. tonight i'm obsessed with the country's obsession with winning both in sports and politics. yes. we're tired of it. maybe it started in college football, merely getting to a bowl game suddenly wasn't enough. coaches started getting fired if they didn't win. now look what's happened in baseball. today joe girardi of the yankees was let go by the yankees meaning three of the six managers whose team had been eliminated from the first two rounds of the playoffs are eliminated. three of six, and still time for more. and now we're seeing in politics at the risk of remembering things as they never were, seem there's was a time you were considered successful in politics when say you got 70% of what you wanted in legislation. now, a 70% success if is considered a 30% failure.
and not enough to win. the other side must lose and be humiliated in losing. now your ability to get everything is seen as evidence you got nothing. look, i'm not arguing for the everyone gets a trophy society. that was ridiculous. but do we really have to dance on the other guy's grave to be satisfied? which brings me back to sports and last night's world series game. dave roberts misused and abused his bullpen, but his dodgers and mine won a lot of games this year. please, don't fire him just yet. maybe has to lose two world series in a row before he becomes fireable, i guess? the ricky bobby school of coaching. we'll be right back.
gillespie and what he's running. i know we won't see it in the washington, d.c. video market. they're not the only ones. the northern campaign is advertising on charlottesville with you in a different way. there's a mailer up. i think i have a graphic of it. it has the torch carriers underneath. it is fundraising. look how low the democrats are going. the bottom line is both sides are trying to now figure out how to tackle charlottesville in their own way. i thought they would both be running away from it. they're both running toward it. >> they're running toward it almost like president trump is running toward it. that he doesn't the want to give up the nfl protest or charlottesville. i think it is because culture wars work for donald trump and republicans think it will work for them, too. most people, if you talk about
the protests, most people think it is about the flag or whether or not there's patriotism. the idea of these he players protesting police brutality is almost long gone and a second thought so it could really, really work. >> we're headed where the base of both party will be stirred up. >> charlottesville is political nitroglycerin. >> i'm a little uncomfortable, it is going to end badly. >> it won't end well however the election goes. it won't end well. >> i don't know that ignoring this issue was possible, feasible. after it happened. >> and sitting out there, that put some pressure. and however you feel about confederate memorials, ed gillespie is talking about a policy difference. picking them up or taking them down. linking him to this hatred and this kind of disgusting racist
attacks, i don't think anyone who knows ed gillespie believes he has a racist bone in his body and i don't think there's an equivalence here. i think it is a racist smear. >> this is where it really depends on how you hear a television ad. there will be plenty of people in certain communities who see the memorial spot and think that's a dog whistle. >> keep in mind -- >> i believe there is a policy disagreement about what to do with these memorials. >> i understand. that. >> do you believe the ad will get determined like that? >> that is in and of itself a problem. >> go ahead. >> i was going to point out that gillespie, he is going to be on policy, on that issue. also running ads accusing encouraging murderous salvadoran gangs. associating him with murder.
>> in all of this, i think there's this idea that we're back to culture wars but also we're back to virginia changing. we have a virginia that was very much steeped in this idea of confederacy. it was run by people who put the statues up and then you have a new part of virginia, yes, ms-13 might be a problem but i don't have a problem with my kids going to school with latinos. >> let's go 60,000 feet. have we stumbled into the microcosm of the culture wars nationwide? >> because of the transformation, politically and i its role in confederacy? >> and history bends toward justice, agency does god's mercy but he was wrong pits an arc. an arc is smooth and uninterrupted. you get steps forward like the
election of barack obama and you get steps backward like charlottesville. >> some people see up for the statues sticks up for the reason they were there. most people can't divorce it from the culture, from how you look at african-americans and i think that's when, it is not just a policy. it is a lot more than that. >> the fact these monuments have been up a hundred years. not more, by the way. but the fact that they're up is an indication of the country moving forward in that jagged way. >> thank you all. appreciate it. we'll be right back with something you might have missed.
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in case you missed it, speaker paul 59 joking about the president's twitter feed again. >> are you at all concerned that this rollout next week when you detail these tough choices, that he's not going to maybe like some of them and tweet something about it? >> he'll be in asia, number one. just kidding. that was kind of a joke. just joking on that one. no, i'm not. we're working very, very closely with the white house on this. >> sort of joking, how many times did he have to say sort of, kind of. is he talking about the time difference? or is he hoping to get an assist from a chinese fire wall?
that's all we have for tonight. we'll be back with more "mtp daily." i have to go back and hit refresh to see if the government will ever give us these jfk files. >> a lot of people waiting on it. as much anticipation at international tweets. thank you assal. we're tracking two developing stories, big news on the bombshell story that betsy woodruff broke with new reporting advancing her account of evidence showing trump's digital team approached julian assange about e-mails. now a second report shows another trump insider knew about it. tonight i have a legal breakdown of why this is such an important breakthrough. we begin with the top story, that president trump personally intervened with the justice department to try to help out