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these first indictments. maybe it's manafort, maybe it's flynn or somebody else. but what is the goal? >> i can't really speculate. >> everybody outside is speculating. >> we don't know. >> i have no knowledge. >> believe me, if you're the person, you know. >> in terms of trying to get mueller away, trying to fire him in some way, he's here to stay for a while. >> i don't see any reason why he should recuse himself. i haven't seen anything that makes me think he must step down. >> i would encourage my republican friends, give the guy a chance to do his job. >> i want to move to tax reform. >> let's talk taxes. >> we don't know what it is. >> this is going to be reducing the deficit. >> i think we need to accept that donald trump is our president. >> his approval rating is the lowest for a president in the
first year of his presidency. >> the party is in pretty good shape. >> welcome to the second hour of "kasie dc." joining me is jeremy bash. democratic house intelligence committee member eric swalwell, managing director of hamilton place strategies, michael steele and white house reporter thank you all for joining me. let's talk about the nuts and bolts of what we're likely to see happening tomorrow. i'm getting concerned that we won't be able to see that tomorrow and we're left with another day of the speculation. what are you expecting from bob mueller tomorrow? >> well, look, as the previous clip showed, i think how many ways can you say we have no information about that and there is obstruction of justice on the
jim comey firing. i don't think we're going to see anything like that tomorrow. and then there are al buck cut of things that don't have to do with the 2016 election but may implicate people like paul manafort other people that are involved. mueller can investigate any matters that arise and i think we're likely to see a charge or charges against an individual, one or more, tomorrow on that sort of third bucket. >> let's walk through where we stand here. five months into special counsel robert mueller's special election interference, at least one indictment is ex approximate expected to be unsealed and mueller has declined to comment and among those under scrutiny,
michael flynn. and former campaign chairman paul manafort. each had foreign lobbying work under investigation. the fbi carried out a surprise raid on manafort's home back in july. he has denied wrongdoing. in an interview with "the new york times" on thursday, the day before the news that the indictment broke, white house counsel ty cobb said the president is not worried should either man be indicted. >> i think he would be sad for them as a friend and a former colleague if process results in, you know, punishment for indictments but to the extent that that happens, that's beyond his control. but the president has no concerns in terms of any impact as to what happens to them on
his campaign or on the white house. >> in a flurry of tweets, the president called it phony. he tweeted, all of this russia talk, right when the republicans are making a big push for historic tax cuts and reform, is this coincidental? not. ty cobb said the president's tweets are a reaction to anything involving a special counsel with whom the white house continues to cooperate. there is a lot there, congressman. >> if the president had nothing to do with what russia did, he's not acting like somebody who had nothing to do by the flurry of tweets and the statement that he tweeted earlier, do something, all caps. he doesn't look like somebody who has nothing to hide and is being cooperative. >> i wanted to ask jeremy,
because he knows a lot about this more than i do, if they are looking at these crimes unrelated to election collusion, et cetera, these older financial crimes, something like that, is the goal to seek out wrongdoing or to build a case or build pressure towards the bigger picture there? >> it's both. if somebody is indicted, for example, a democratic lobbyist, podesta was being investigated for not registering for a ukrainian think tank that his government funded and not filling out the paperwork. and i really him having some connection with the 2016 election. >> but not what bob mueller is investigating. >> of course. >> so i think if that's the case, it's to stop wrongdoing. but there's a further play because if they are really looking at the higher level of conduct then, yes, they want to get people to flip. >> if they see drugs in plain
sight, they don't have to look the other way. >> what would cause them to breathe a sigh of relief or feel like it's hitting way too close to home? >> i think it's the fact that ty cobb did this interview this week. and if you listen to the full thing, it's very interesting and he clearly did that to send a message and they are trying to send a message of confidence that it's not going to come to the president and it remains to be scene but the timing is kind of telling. >> indicative. okay. let's talk more about the new pollhashows presidt trump's approval rating falling to 38% and 81% of republicans and down seven points from september and whites without a
college degree also down seven points since september. and stop markets are continuing to grow and the president is upside down on the most preshing issues, and role as commander in chief and 57% disapprove. any immediate consequences are just over a year away. a generic ballot when people are asked who they would prefer to control congress. and michael steele, i noticed there was some reporting about nancy pelosi talking to donors saying, look, every time that this kind of thing happens, that the approval rating is below a
certain point, the opposite party ends the congress. >> historically speaking, it frequently happens. the numbers are not that good for democrats and they tend to need a pretty good ballot to have a wave and take back the house. and they have internal fights and a lack of rationale to vote for house democrats and the fact that nancy pelosi, who is the ultimate insider of washington figure is leading the charge that for them yet again. >> congressman, i'll let you respond to that. >> i think we're in a position where we can be america's bouncer and i think that's going to resonate. >> america's bouncer? that's a bumper sticker slogan. >> work with them on good ideas. you know, the dream act.
infrastructure, if he wants to do that and not let in the bad ideas, building a wall, taking us to war and helping the 1% when it comes to taxes. and that's a good position to be in. >> do you think president trump should be impeached? >> there is pretty incredible pressure. >> he has a different role to play. and i want to learn the truth. >> do you think nancy pelosi ought to step down? >> no. a majority and i think we're more unified than what we think and i see injury that i did not see in 2014.
>> but if someone dropped from mars and said what's the big picture with the president nine months in, i think it's the rationale for his campaign that hasn't been borne out. he says i'll keep you safe and the whole rash rationale has been unraveling. >> they badly want a win on taxes in some forth and want to do something to show that they've been able to achieve something with complete control. >> if they pull that off or even if they were to fail on that, i'm not sure that democrats can necessarily deliver. your point is well taken but the
d triple c has had a hard time capitalizing on that. >> i've been to 50 cities. i have a group called future form. and i've seen a lot of enthusiasm in places like omaha. so we're on the move. as long as it's the kitchen table issues that we're going to grow your paycheck. we're going to be all right. >> better deal or better way? we're going to have to leave it there. i want to get to another important story. a big development in the controversy over the whitefish energy deal to rebuild puerto rico's power grid in the way of hurricane maria. puerto rico has canceled the $300 million contract with the company after the governor
demanded the contract be terminated after days of intense scrutiny against whitefish. this as the new poll shows that only 29% of people approve the president trump's disaster response in puerto rico. but it gets much higher numbers for his handling of harvey and irma in texas and irma.
gabe gutierrez reports from san juan, puerto rico. he has the latest on recovery efforts and the controversial energy deal. >> the controversial $300 million contract will soon be canceled, says the head of the power authority after the governor said he wants to pull the plug. >> it's interfering with everything and doesn't go towards the best interests. >> the ceo of whitefish energy told nbc news he had nothing to hide. >> there's people out there on a witch hunt looking for something that doesn't exist. he first contacted the power authority after hurricane irma in september.
>> i found them on linkedin. >> you used linkedin to get a $300 million contract? >> yes. >> ryan zinke, also from whitefish, montana, say they had nothing to do with the contract. fema said they had significant concerns and never reviewed the document despite wording
that suggested otherwise. >> simply not something that we would do. >> reporter: really? so this is just wrong? >> yes. >> reporter: that language wasn't supposed to be there and had been deleted from an amended version of the contract. >> i haven't compared them side by site but certainly an oversight. >> an oversight of a $300 million contract, though? $9 billion in debt, they signed off on the deal but the ceo admits, including that portion about fema, was a mistake. >> everybody's doing 20 things at the same time and i don't
want to be apologizes but these things happen. >> do you think this contract was rushed? >> how can you take time with a contract that has to do with millions of people being out of power? >> reporter: now puerto rican officials say scrapping the contract could delay power restoration by 10 to 12 weeks. in a written statement late today, whitefish energy says it is disappointed in the deal and that it will likely delay what puerto ricans want and deserve, to have their power destroyed. 39 days after hurricane maria, about 70% of this island is still in the dark. back to you. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you so much for staying on top of this story. i want to just have a little bit of -- we were talking as we were watching gabe's reporting there about the connection between ryan zinke and this company that is from this tiny town, his tiny hometown.
what do we know about the connections there, if anything? >> i don't think we know whether they know each other. we know an entrepreneur stepped up and said they could have justified the cost. if some you how they had laid out this expenses, here's how many people we have, here's how much it costs, i think people would have been okay with it. >> it fits a little bit into the narrative for democrats here in washington to argue that, hey, this administration is really about crony capitalism, if you will. >> yeah, and they certainly could. we don't know all of the details of this deal. what we do know is it has become a distraction and it could delay things and that's obviously a problem. >> all right. coming up, democratic congressman keith ellison joins me after the break to talk about the democrats and what they need to do to reclaim power in washington.
i want to ask you a question, straight out, flat out, i want you to give me the honest answer. >> i haven't asked you if you're running in 2020. >> you're ruling it out? >> yes. >> i don't want to be president. >> i'm going to finish strong. >> so you're telling me there's a chance yeah. >> welcome back to "kasie dc." we started a new series called "so you're telling me there's a chance" and it's white house ambitions as we go along. i'm joined by keith ellison. thank you for taking the time to
talk with us. i really appreciate it. >> thanks, kasie. >> i want to start with the news that we've all been focused on this weekend, and that is, of course, the russia investigation and what has been and one issue that republicans have zeroed in on was the steele dossier about who paid for that. this happened before you were elected to your position at the dnc but do you think paying for that dossier was a mistake for the party to make? >> you know, opposition research is commonly done by both parties. the real question is, are the statements in the dossier true or false? that's the real issue. at the end of the day, the findings in that research are things that trump ought to either deny or should be investigations about.
that's the real question. it's like saying did you buy lawn signs and flyers and literature. it's part of how a campaign is run in a modern american election. >> claire mccaskill was on "meet the press" this morning with my colleague chuck todd. >> we had lots of folks that are leaders and want to be leaders and so many people that are trying to position themselves to run for president. i think it's hard to say who is the leader and there's a lot of angst about that. >> congressman, who is the leader of the democratic party? >> well, you know, we're lucky to have a lot of leaders. you know, i was in north carolina.
>> is there anybody that stands out? >> of course. nancy pelosi stands out, we stand out. i'd rather have a bunch of leaders and folks than just one big person, look, the work is just too vast. and we've got to engage americans in every walk of life and coin tea races and get ready for 2018 and 2020. we need a lot of leaders for that. we train about 145 people this summer and reached out and talked to over a million people with our summer canvas program and talked to folks all over this country, many days of action. the point is raising leaders. we need a lot of leaders and we need leaders in peoria, fremont, minneapolis.
we're in the business of trying to track and grow a leadership. so we're not into the one big leader thing. >> congressman, i don't feel like you're answering my question. republicans went into 2016 saying something similar to what you're saying now and they ended up with donald trump. >> well, here's the thing. no doubt when you have a president in the party in the white house, that person is sort of the leader. but even then, i think it's a good idea to cultivate leadership. that's why we're training people all over the place to be leaders, to be organizers. >> can any members of this party beat donald trump? is anybody capable of beating president trump? >> of urse. absolute. >> who? >> ihink that we have -- i mean, you name them. there's a bunch of them. but how you're going to beat
donald trump is by going to the grassroots and increasing voter turnout everywhere, not having any just battleground states and ignore the others but really do engagement in every state. so even in areas where we don't win, we close the margin and the gap. and i'm not looking for a messiah or one big concern. in fact, if there's one reason why he won, he organized all over the country and inspired people and that is the key to barack obama. he had organized from iowa and everywhere to get involved in his campaign. we've got to organize everywhere and that's how we're going to win and we've got a lot of folks that are sharp and capable and can speech to the issues.
>> you have not named the name. >> i will tell you why i don't want to name a name. we've got a lot of good people and we have a process to go through. there's a whole lot of -- i don't want to advantage or disadvantage anybody. i want to put the ideas in front of the american people and whoever comes out, comes out. but the process strengthens candidates. and to have the deputy chair say this one person would not be fair to the others. >> fair enough. let's switch gears. it seems like bob corker's frustration spilled out and i asked chuck schumer about what bob corker said. take a listen to this. >> mr. leader, mr. corker said that the president is debasing the country. do you agree with that?
>> look, i wish the president, instead of finding countless enemies to pick fights with rolls up his sleeves and starts solving the problems. i said what i believe. this presidency thus far has been total flop. >> congressman, do you think that president trump is debasing the party and did schumer not go far enough in saying so? >> sure, i think president trump is debasing the country but the problem is not just him. we've got to talk about the philosophy that he's promoting. and doesn't think that people who are muslims ought to be in office. >> he called you out by name. he should you should not have been able to take your oath of office.
>> well, i did, though. congress shall make no law establishing a religion or a bridge to free thereof and congress says there's no religious test. look, americans believe in our constitution. i swear an oath to uphold it. you have a right to participate in this wonderful democracy of ours. roy moore does not agree. that's why he doesn't deserve the votes of the people of alabama and doug jones does. trump breeds kkks and neo-nazis. that's a bad thing. when he pressures a private business like the nfl to punish player who is are peacefully protesting, he's hurting right to protest which is a time-honored thing in this country. he's not alone.
we've got to confront the philosophy that he represents and that's why we've got to organize all over this country and lift up our high constitutional values, freedom of expression, equal protection under the law. >> congressman, we're running out of time. >> no problem. >> before i let you go, i want to ask you about a meeting out in las vegas, the democratic national committee. several people who supported senator sanders in the primary in 2016, that was something i covered very closely, they were stripped of very powerful posts and when you agreed to take the job that you had as deputy chair, you were going to be their defender. are you falling short on that? do you feel like you've let some of your progressive supporters down and what do you say to them about what happens next? >> what i say to them, the biggest part of the problem that we're facing is the philosophy that an mates donald trump.
and we have got to get to the grassroots and organize people all over this country. i know you want me to go in and i understand what you're asking me, but i have to tell you, the biggest part of our problem is that we've got to organize all over this country so we can beat trump and the people who share their belief system. we are united. we've got to empower people who have not had a voice. that is what we have to do. that's job one. the other stuff, we'll handle. we'll discuss it and debate it. we're democrats and we will cherish our point of view but the main job is organizing and organizing and organizing and that's where i'm going to keep my focus. >> we'll see how that plays out. keith ellison, thank you for being with us tonight. i really appreciate it. >> anytime, kasie. thanks. coming up, the battle
facebook, twilter and google will testify about russian entities and how they were able to spread propaganda across their platforms and will face a senate judiciary subcommittee in the fallout from this controversy, twitter has announced it will ban all foreign advertising from accounts owned by the news outlets russia today and sputnick. let's bring back our panel. joining us now is media reporter sarah fisher. thank you for being here tonight. what are the stakes for the media companies. they are going to send their top lawyers to sit in front of these panels to explain what happened here. >> we're starting to see polls come in that people are concerned about privacy and data on these platforms and they are concerned about fake news on these platforms. that's one of the biggest thing that can come from this and as well regulation that they just don't want.
you're seeing twitter and facebook roll out their own platforms and they'd rather handle it themselves and so the stakes are pretty big for them. >> it seems like the honeymoon is over for silicon valley. are they going to have to face down these very real attempts to regulate them in a way that they haven't seen before? >> i definitely agree that the honeymoon phase is over. to the extent we probably should, they are now facing backlash from lawmakers that are concerned that they are not taking the time to police themselves or being forthcoming about what they know. >> congressman, what is your top question for them? >> they know how their platforms
are recognized so what are you going to do about it? my conservative parents, i want them to be able to say make america great again. i've seen magnets on a refrigerator that have concerned me. so if they make their way to twitter, i don't want to block them. i really do but russia does not have a right to free speech and i want to know, what are you going to do next? we have rules for television ads. >> i'm eric swalwell and i approve this message. >> or at least reporting to the fcc about what buys i've made. if someone is posting thousands of ads on facebook, i do think that maybe there should be some disclosures. >> you think congress has a role here? >> yes. >> even thou younk the companies will say, no, we can do it ourselve >> it'making the america people more aware about what is
happening and then legally what we should require of people using these platforms as they most in mass ways as these russian accounts were doing. >> michael steele, how does the current work here? >> i think this is an issue where everyone is concerned about a the balance of protecting people from foreign powers and protecting the first amendment and i think i worry that the congressional process may prove too slow in an era when the opponents, the enmoo hes and people seeking to take advantage moves fast. >> it's already so far of where these companies are. the pace of the process, the amount of time to take a single bipartisan bill is by the time the iphone 4 goes to iphone 8. >> politics is the thing that they have on their side right now. when you've talked to people in the digital landscape for years, they've been wanting legislation
because there's so much ad fraud that they feel cheated. there was a russian methbot and that's something that people in the digital advertising space are looking for regulation to stop this type of fraud but the problem is, things have been moving so slowly that it took into the election for people to really ramp up some of these hearings and get to the bottom of it. i think from people on the digital side, this is a good thing. it's going to help increase transparency but may take time. >> this has been relatively partisan. there's a bill but john mccain has backed it and that's about it. >> there is interest from lawmakers in looking at this and i think from a white house perspective what is interesting is this continuing the story line of russia this week. just from a sort of press
narrative objective, a lot of things are happening on taxes. >> congressman, what's your first question. >> again, what are you going to do now? do you fully understand how deep into the system they were and how many russian ads existed? >> it seems like in some ways they know how to find that. can you give us more information about what was going on? >> right. they went into pokemon go. and i think we need an independent commission. we took this outside of the capital and had an independent look at this and we're all safer because of it. i think this is another good reason we should do that. >> fair enough. we'll be watching to what you say on wednesday. coming up, i talk to barbara bush hager and barbara bush
welcome back to "kasie dc." they are telling the story for themselves in a new book called "sisters first: stories from our wild and wonderful life." they reveal the closeness of their bond and how it helped them through some of the most daunting chapters, not just in their family's history but in our nation's as well. i spoke to them earlier about their famous family, the challenges of growing up in the national spotlight. >> when our dad told us he was going to run for president, i think we cried. >> we cried and i think we told him first off he was going to lose and -- very supportive. and then looking back there were difficulties but the good far
outweighed the bad. >> you talked a little bit in the book about the generational differences in your family, talking specifically, barbara, about gay marriage with your father over the dinner table and how that was an ongoing conversation and that's something we've seen an incredibly fast generational shift around. what was it like to talk to your father about political issues of the day? >> i remember sitting at the dinner table talking to my dad about it and that was before gay marriage was on the table as marriage in the united states and the beauty that my parents gave us -- and i read a lot about this, was stumbling along and forming my own opinions and having a chance to share them and figure out themselves while talking to someone without someone immediately saying, you're wrong and my opinion is right.
and so when i spoke out about gay marriage, i noticed that afterwards a number of people would come up to me he on the street and say that was so brave for you to betray your parents and that really shocked me because it wasn't a betrayal. in fact, i talked to my parents a number of times about it and they knew i was going to make the video and, if anything, i was sort of living the values that they had taught me about figuring out what i believed and why. >> is it upsetting to you to see your father still continue to be villainized or attacked today? >> yeah. i mean, of course. we try not to read negative articles because we wrote a letter to sasha and malia obama when their dad first entered the white house and we said to them, you know, you're going to read things that are going to hurt you because your dad is never going to be that headline. your dad is going to be -- >> so much more than that. >> so much more and nobody is going to know what it was like the day you were born, how he felt and i think for any
presidential child to read things that sting, they sting, because they don't see -- we never saw our dad as dad the politician. we saw him as our dad. >> i have to ask you as well about your grandmother because i have to say, watching her in public life, i could -- she almost seems as though she might have been a slightly intimidating figure in the family. and you didn't really get to know her until you were adults. can you just talk a little bit about what she is like for those of us who have been watching her for so many years? >> yeah. she's hilarious and strong-minded and fierce in many ways. she's not the stereotype that people think she is. they would say, i love to make cookies with your grandmother. and we've never had a cookie that she baked. >> i'm sure it would be disgusting.
i don't think people will remember this, but she was opinion nated -- she adores my grandfather and she differed from him when she was the first lady. she came out as pro choice, for example, she used her voice to protect people she loved when hiv and aids was such a thing in our country and there was such a stigma -- an incorrect stigma about how you could contract it, she hugged a woman on purpose. she wrote in her journals, i wanted people to know that you could hug somebody and touch somebody and i wanted to dispel this. she's a really strong woman and we think she's used her voice to do a lot of good. >> what is the message that you hope women take away from this book and from what you've done together? >> i mean, i think not only women in politics. i think we think women across the board, we realize how lucky we are to have each other, that, you know, i've had somebody
that's lifted me up, that's encouraged me, that's listened to me, that's been happy with my successes and cried with any of my failures or heartbreaks and now that i have two little girls, i want them to have that same thing but that also i want them to have these examples, whether it's in global health or in the media like you or -- in the white house. we want our girls to have examples so that they can look up and think not only do i have a support system of awesome women who have empowered me but i can be that. i, too, can do it. and that's why we wrote that book, as well as writing a love letter to each other. >> the book is "sisters first: stories of our wild and wonderful life." thank you to the former first daughters for taking the time. we will be right back with a story that in any other news cycle would be getting big
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undercover in this mad cap news cycle. state officials are scrambling to maintain health insurance for millions of children after congress failed to meet the september deadline to renew c.h.i.p. -- how to pay for it has shown little progress. the bill calls divert funding from the affordable care act to offset the c.h.i.p. program.
it costs about $14 billion every year. 11 states predict their funding could run out before the end of the year. let's talk a little bit about this. this is something i certainly know i get a lot of feedback from people on social media who say hey don't forget about these kids. this has historically been a must pass. let's attach our controversial proposal to the c.h.i.p. funding bill. >> we should pass this week this it should invite a conversation finally to build on the alexander murray bill. i hope that's what comes out of it. >> there's no disagreement with the goal of this program, the goal of this legislation. the question is how to pay for this program. the compromise the idea is a good place to start and i hope democrats work with them. >> is this really just at the end of the day about not wanting
to talk the affordable care act and democrats refusing to allow anything that seems to encroach on it at all? >> there's a lot of politics, obviously. there's a general expectations that something will happen on this that no one really wants to see health care for children go away. because of the politics this could get pushed down the line. toward the end of the year, towards a make-or-break moment. that's often the way things work in washington. >> i certainly will be watching this very closely. i hope we'll be paying a lot of attention on what happens with this story. before we go i want to get everyone's assessment of what you're watching for as this week begins. i know that what i'm looking for in the context of the indictment that we expect tomorrow is how this changes how republicans are going to talk about this. up to now all have been able to
say ones going farther than others let mueller do his work. we'll see what happens, what come out of that. now they have to couple with some new line i would assume considering they will have a lot more information about where he is. i think the direct in which that conversation goes will be important for the future of it. what are you watching? >> i agree. for most americans it's the tax plan.
who does it help. does it help the millions of tillerson and the reasons why he was out saying this could cause world war iii. in large part our relationships abroad. so michael what do you think is at stake as the president essentially walks into potentially a nuclear war with this trip. >> that's certainly putting it -- >> how do you look at it. >> i think this is another opportunity for the president to perform on the world stage as we expect a commander-in-chief to perform. he has thus far a very uneven record. >> demonstrate american leadership. stitch together our allies. work with chinese. assure the koreans we won't walk away with a trade agreement at a time where there's a lot of uncertainty in the region. be an american president. >> do democrats have a responsibility not to criticize the president while he's overseas? >> we have a responsibility not to see our country in a nuclear war but we should support his
engagement with our allies and the chinese. >> we have to leave it there. that does it for us here at kasie hunt. we'll be right back next sunday from 7:00 to 9:00 eastern and we leave you with this moment from friday at the oval office and a happy halloween from everybody here at kasie hunt and the president of the united states. >> i cannot believe the media produced such beautiful children. how the media did this i don't know. come over here. you going to group to be like your parents? don't answer. that can only get me in trouble that question. who likes this? you have no weight problems, that's the good news. good. you pick out whatever you need. if you want some for your friends take them. we have policemen. so how does the press treat you. i bet you get treated better than anybody in the world. i think so.
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