to? >> we will have to step away from the preps daens. director mueller seems to be closing in. >> the russia probe, a number of new and different voices on where it is leading, what the charges might be. inside the trump campaign, a new book reveals among other things candidate trump's favorite meals and who steamed wrinkles from his suits. and new warning the white house national security chief says potential for war with north korea is increasing every day. reaction ahead. but at this hour we expect to hear from jared kushner. organizers are telling nbc he could be asked about michael flynn who pled guilty in the special counsel's russia investigation. we are monitoring that for you. new reaction from congressional investigators in the after math of flynn's plea deal. >> we now know that director mueller is in the white house,

actually interviewing people who work directly with the president. hope hicks according to press reports, jared kushner according to press reports. we are half a step away from the presidency. indeed, director mueller, by all accounts seems to be closing in. >> we have had reports that he reached out to members of congress saying back off. this president has been obsessed with this investigation, always saying there is nothing there, but each week another shoe drops where we see more evidence of continuing outreach from russians and some response from the trump campaign. >> the president unleashed a tweet storm this morning and nearly a dozen tweets and retweets lashing out at hillary clinton, justice department, fbi, james comey and saying i never asked comey to stop investigating flynn. more fake news covering another comey lie. confusion over who wrote the initial tweet reacting to the

guilty plea setting off alarms because it implied the president knew flynn had lied to the fbi. let's go to jeff bennett with more on all of this. let's take it from the beginning. can you explain what happened? >> let's start with the tweet and question. the president's outside lawyer, his personal lawyer tells nbc news that he was the one who wrote that tweet. dow tells us he dictated it to the president's social media director. making the case that he conflated flynn's lying to the vice president with flynn's lying to the fbi. we asked him how many tweets have you written for the president besides this one. his response was just this one and it is my last. meanwhile, as the russia investigation inches closer to the president's inner circle senator dianne feinstein, top democrat on the senate jiudiciay

committee told chuck todd she sees it coming together as potential obstruction of justice case. >> i think what we are beginning to see is the putting together of a case of obstruction of justice. i think we see this in the indictments, the four indictments and pleas that have just taken place and some of the comments being made. i see it in the hyperphonetic attitude of the white house, the comments every day, the continual tweets and i see it most importantly in what happened with the firing of director comey and it is my belief that that is directly because he did not agree to lift the cloud of the russia investigation. >> so it's comments like that that help put the president's tweet storm this morning in context as he tries to under cut

the credibility of former fbi director james comey and under cut the overall russia investigation. >> thank you very much for that. we appreciate outlining everything for us. joining me right now chief washington reporter at the boston herald and nbc contributor. white house correspondent at the washington examiner. happy sunday to you both. let's get right to it. i want to start with the senator's remarks. what are you hearing on that front? is the case against the president obstructing justice, is that becoming more substantive? >> i think so. although there has always been a lot of focus on collusion, of course, collusion is not a crime. that wouldn't be what robert mueller would be looking for in his investigation. obstruction of justice is. that sort of has always been a potential even if there are cases where someone did not actually try to reach out and

work with russia. if in any way someone tried to make it more difficult for former fbi director james comey or robert mueller or anyone else to get to the bottom of what is going on that is a crime. that is something that is something that congressional investigators as well as robert mueller is looking at. i think that is why we are see smg of t ing some of the tweets from the president saying it shows the president knows that that is something that investigators are looking at and that is something that he is worried about. >> i want to know what is going on inside the white house. is this something that is making the white house worry? >> in and around the white house, the one thing that i have heard consistently is that there is not a lot of fear.

there is confidence that that didn't take place. along the way someone will do something stupid. they will try to shred a document or try to lie to fbi agents and think they will get away with it. something that will create a controversy where there wasn't one before because someone is going to try be reckless. the problem behind the flynn guilty plea is the same problem that has under pinned everything we know about the russian probe which is that the trump team has not been forthcoming about contacts since the beginning whether meetings with the ambassador during campaign or donald trump jr.'s meeting with the russian lawyer. none of the underlien behavior is illegal or controversial. the fact that the trump team continues to lie about it creates problems that didn't need to be there. >> problems along the lines of obstruction of justice? have you heard those specific concerns articulated?

>> i think that is what people are getting at that they worry someone is going to try to conceal evidence from the mueller team. i don't know that the word obstruction of justice is something folks are discussing thought they are nervous not everyone will cooperate. >> i want to play more from senator dianne feinstein this about michael flynn. >> i do not believe general flynn was a rogue agent. i think he had to have been directed. whether the special counsel can find that evidence or not or whether we can i don't know yet but i see this is where this is going. >> conventional wisdom in washington directed or rogue? if directed from where? >> yes, it is very difficult for either white house campaign transition team or white house itself to have a bunch of people sort of acting on their own and not consulting with one another

that is something that is difficult to do even though that is what this white house keeps acerting is h asserting is happening. it was after they found out that he lied to the vice president that he had to go. that is really difficult. that doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. we have seen from some reporting that michael flynn was in contact in the desire being expressed by incoming trump administration to change the focus and try to allay fears of some russian officials when the obama administration was implementing sanctions on russia in response to the election. we knew that they knew that that was going on. does that mean collusion? no. it goes against the idea that michael flynn was sort of a lone wolf acting on his own and not in contact or acting in a concerted effort at least on policy with other members of the transition at that time.

>> i know that you have written about how the gop's tax plan is being overshadowed by flynn's plea deal. isn't the president largely to blame? he is contributing because he began the tweet storm. >> i think that is always a problem with president trump. this week not even just limited to the flynn probe. you remember he took focus away from an end of the year spending deal when his tweets caused chuck and nancy to cancel. he was accusing msnbc people of unspeakable things. he was throwing around a lot of tweets that distracted. the flynn stuff aside they had a victory on the tax bill. they won a legal battle. they won an optics battle when the white house christmas party with reporters went off without a hitch and yet the tweets continue to take focus away from his own successes.

there was a chance for the white house to try to distance itself from the general flynn news. president trump weighing in takes away that opportunity for them. >> speaking of things that don't make a lot of sense. you had former official promoting a book that he wrote about trump and the campaign. he was asked about the access hollywood tape after trump recently questioned whether that even was his own voice on it. here is what he said. >> i don't know why that is of interest today. the president put out his apology video that weekend. i don't believe it is a change. >> is it his voice? was that him in the access hollywood tape? >> it's clear that it is. >> no disputing this. >> i don't think he does, either. >> you don't think he does either? isn't that what the president was doing? to this guy he is a trump

loyalist. can we add the president apologized? what is the logic behind donald trump putting himself in a situation like this now? >> he is putting himself in a position where even his supporters have to call him out this assertion that this tape could possibly be a fake just pointing out how absurd that is. at the time the president called it locker room talk, issued an apology, never once said it is was anything other than actual and real. it is tough for his supporters to back him. i'm hearing it is not just this that he wants to sort of rewrite history on. he is privately saying things like he is not sure that president obama's birth certificate was authentic. we see the president act in a way when facts aren't favorable to him to sort of push against

them particularly when things aren't going well like the mueller investigation really reaching his inner circle. but why the president makes false claims and makes it difficult even for his supporters to back him i think only the president knows that. >> good to see you both. thank you so much. the comparisons between mueller investigation and water gate. i will ask dan rather about that next. why descent has become a dirty word in parts of this country.

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it's a quarter past the hour, a live look at what is going on in washington, d.c. there is jared kushner, of course, senior adviser to the president and his son-in-law. right now he is speaking at the forum wrapping up. it is sponsored by the brookings institute. he is speaking right now about his efforts to broker middle east peace. we are monitoring this to see if he says anything about mr. flynn making a plea deal and if he does we will bring that to you live. has the potential war with north korea increased since this latest launch? >> i think it is increasing every day which means that we are in a race really. we are in a race to be able to solve this problem. this would be the most destabilizing development i think in the post world war ii period. it's something that places us at

direct risk but places the world at risk. >> national security adviser h.r. mcmaster this weekend on the nuclear threat from north korea. joining me now dan rather. he needs no introduction but for those of you who haven't lived under a rock for a while. today he is also the co worker of the book "what yununitas us" tell me your take on that. how does north korea, this problem that has been a problem for decades, how does it get solved at this point sth. >> i wish i knew. this is perhaps the most difficult foreign policy national relations problem we have had since beginning of the iraq war. there is no easy answer. if war is to be avoided -- and i think people have to understand,

we are very close to war with north korea. most people don't want to think about that. we are very close to war with north korea. negotiation is the key. and the north koreans want a place at the world decision table. they want entry into such things as world trade organizations. they want to be accepted as an equal or near equal with the united states, china and russia. and you can imagine how difficult it would be to have that negotiation. if war is to be avoided that is their stated price. >> you equate it to being the most serious time since the iraq war. can it be looked at in conjunction with the cuban missile crisis? is it that grave? >> i'm not prepared to say it is that grave. with the cuban missile crisis has the potential of soviet missiles being in cuba. however, with the new developments korea has a missile

that can reach not just united states but washington, d.c. wouldn't want to strain your analogy but there is one made in the cuban missile crisis. with the cuban missile crisis the president spoke directly. the president spoke directly to the united states in a calm but firm way. contrast that with today in which quite honestly the president -- this is a very dangerous situation. no one should doubt it. >> let's go to the robert mueller investigation, the plea deal from michael flynn. where do you think michael flynn can take investigators given his tenure with the trump campaign, coming on as an adviser after the president declared his candida candidacy. and then becoming the transition team member and then national security adviser, how much does he potentially have to talk about? >> he has a lot to talk about

because flynn was very close in with the president. that the m investigation is getting close to asking questions about the oval office. the pressure is on flynn. he will tell what he knows but does he know enough to connect russian meddling in our election with the president personally? he will tell what he knows. when he does he will be attacked by the president. able to make two cases he is so desperate it won't be credible and say he may know a lot but doesn't know anything about collusion because there was no collusion. mueller is much farther along in this investigation than it might appear. this is ramped up with the trump family in the same way that flynn what i think finally tipped flynn over was the

possibility that his son would be indicted. you extrapolate that to president trump. if your son-in-law is about to be indicted what does he do? >> do you believe donald trump is seized with fear relative to this investigation? >> it is obvious he is seized with fear. the principle question to the president is what is he so afraid of? he is obviously terrified about this investigation or he wouldn't be taking these chances of firing the fbi director or saying these things. it is clear he is terrified about the investigation. perhaps unjustifybly so. if this whole thing were a mafia or spy movie it would be almost unbelievable. we do have a long way to go. here is the key question i think. if the worst is confirmed about president trump and those around him with the russians, if that's confirmed how do we heal? how do we deal with that and how

do we heal? we better start thinking about that because it could happen. i'm not saying it will happen but it could happen. we need to start thinking about it. >> so the word healing brings to mind water gate which you covered extensively and brings to mind this moment between you and richard nixon which i want my director to play right now. here it is. >> are you running for something? >> that having been said for you, given your experiences, which president do you respect more? >> i can't pick one that i respect more. i have respected the office of the president with every president who has been in.

it was hard in the end to respect president nixon personally because what we call water gate was a widespread criminal conspiracy led by the president himself. other than richard nixon i have gotten along well with every president i have covered and have great respect for anybody who puts themselves on the line and who has that office. >> does that extend to donald trump? >> i do have a tremendous respect for the office of the presidency. that has never wavered for me. in surterms of how he handled presidency i can't say that. i knew him some before he became president and i knew his personality traits. the tone and tenure of his presidency is unprecedented. i can't respect that. when he tries to give equivalency with neo nazis and

at least wink-wink to those who are extremely racial and bigoted i can't respect that as a person. >> i want to get to the book because you write about descent. you say that too many americans are equating descent with a lack of patriotism. >> that's true. descent is as american as the american revolution and as american as apple pie. some of the greatest strides we have made in the country came as result of descent. understanding how descent has helped us through our history is important when we get into such things as what is happening with the nfl players, those who kneel for the anthem. the pattern is clear. in the 1900s when women began to descent because they didn't have the vote they were called unpatriotic. they were said to be extreme

radicals. but that descent led to women getting the vote which made us a better country. what we need is to listen to one another. you don't have to give up your princip principles. in the case of the nfl make it clear i stand for the national anthem. i mouth the words to the anthem and frequently sing it out loud. with those protesting and making descent i try to listen and say what is it that they are trying to call attention to? they are trying to call attention to racial injustice. the accusation that they are antimilitary and antiamerican simply is not true. we need to lower the volume and talk to one another, listen to one another. don't have to agree with those descent but see where they are coming from because that leads to empathy. we need empathy in the country.

a chapter in what unites us. saying to yourself perhaps i wish those players wouldn't do that but they must feel strong about it. let me listen to what it is they have to say and consider is this descent that will lead us to being a better country. >> i could listen to you all day. unfortunately, we have commercials. >> it would be pretty boring. >> i want to thank you for speaking to me on the wide range of subjects and also "what unites us." daddy, i have a christmas present for you from dan rather. >> good to see you. coming up next hour another great journalist and author tina brown will have her book with new tales of the trump campaign and more. we will talk about that coming up in the next hour. straight ahead the many tangled questions on trump's tweets. his lawyer claims he wrote the flynn firing tweet. how much does that matter?

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welcome back. at the half hour here is what we are monitoring. we have new reaction on the russia investigation thmpt vice chairman of the senate intel committee weighed in on whether there is evidence of collusion. >> we have had an fbi director

who had been fired because of the president's intervention. we had attorney general having to recuse because of many contacts with russians he didn't reveal. we have had a series of other individuals indicted or pleading guilty already. we also have mounting evidence, almost every week of additional contacts between the russian government or russian officials and officials connected to the trump campaign under the guysrrf of trying to improve relations. >> president trump maintains none of this points to collusion between his campaign and russia. joining me now katie fang. thank you for joining me here. technically collusion is not a crime. can a federal case be made here? >> well, so you're right. collusion in and of itself isn't a crime, no causes of action can result in the crime of collusion but obstruction of justice is. we heard a lot about that vis-a-vis tweets coming out from

donald trump. we note the mueller investigation has been charged with the task and mission of figuring out what type of contact happened and in the result of that contact was there collusion with the trump campaign and ultimately what are the crimes that arose as a result of the contact? when you hear the word collusion that is not a crime. can you build a federal case? absolutely. we are seeing things coming out. >> so congressman heck, member of the house intel committee says probe is close to the president. here is what he told me earlier. >> we are in the white house. we have now had a plea bargain deal by somebody who is national security adviser. very close to the president. best ranking security position in this country. we know that director mueller is in the white house, actually interviewing people who work directly with the president. hope hicks according to press

reports, jared kushner according to press reports. we are half a step away from the presidency. indeed, director mueller by all accounts seems to be closing in. >> i want to say we are continuing to monitor him speaking. the president, is he the target of mueller's investigation? should the president be concerned? >> the president is not the target of mueller's investigation. mueller's mission and his task is not to take down president donald trump. the reason why we know that is if that were the case he would ignore all other players that have been involved and been indicted and or pled guilty. i don't know if mueller is half a step away from the president of the united states. i know more than two dozen former and current trump advisers have been interviewed for hours, dozens of hours by a team of lawyers and investigators that are being led and supervised by mueller and the resulting effects have been

indictments and informations and pleas of guilty. that is a pretty decent success rate for robert mueller at this point in time when it comes to taking out people and cross hairs are narrowing around certain people but the net has been wide. i wouldn't say just the president is the target of robert mueller. >> what do you think the questions are that robert mueller would be interested in asking michael flynn? can flynn help with obstruction case given what he has been charge would? >> absolutely. flynn's plea of guilty to one count information is key. it's information and not indictment. the information suggests he is cooperating with robert mueller as special counsel. so flynn is going to have information for mueller such as what type of contact, what type of communications? what type of involvement did we see trump himself and/or jared kushner. we know from people interviewed that there were dozens of questions asked about jared kushner. that is uncomfortable.

if i am donald trump i am looking at my son-in-law and asking what is jared kushner going to do if mueller comes knocking saying i got an indictment? what is jared kushner going to do? >> speaking of jared kushner i just got word from my executive producer that he just wrapped up speaking in washington talking about efforts to try to broker middle east peace and did not speak at all relative to anything with michael flynn. he apparently would follow advice of attorneys not to talk about things as others we have seen here in the white house have not done. thank you very much. good to see you. appreciate that. let's bring in republican strategist and msnbc contributor howard dean, former vermont governor. good to see you both as always. ladies first with you. the president's tweet saying i never asked comey to stop investigating flynn, just more fake news covering another comey lie. what does he hope to achieve by

that? >> i think all donald trump is doing like he does every weekend morning it appears is wakes up and wants to stir the pot. tweets about things that are on his mind. this is a very big concern for this administration. the more he can talk about it and muck up the waters the more that chaos environment that he creates. the problem is that he has not learned that this is only going to work against him. the president's tweets may have helped get him elected but they certainly have not helped him in current legal battles in the white house and probably will not help serve him well now. >> i want to get your take on another tweet from the president saying in part i had to fire general flynn because he lied to the vice president and the fbi. the key thing there is vice president and fbi. the president's personal lawyer confirmed to nbc news he offered that tweet, said he was paraphrasing a statement from white house lawyer.

connect the dots. are you making sense of all of this? >> no. this sounds like the kind of thing trump would tweet. no smart lawyer and i assume cobb and dowd are very smart. no smart lawyer would ever tweet anything like this. he admitted that something he has not admitted before which was that he knew that flynn lied to the fbi. this is insane for trump to be doing this. unless his son and son-in-law get indicted which i think is fairly likely i don't think this is going to be a big issue unless trump himself clearly has done something treasonness. the biggest thing in the election is tax cut which raises taxes and gives all the money to the gazillion airs. i think most are paying attention to that. i think he does this because he is so fragile that he feels like he has to defend himself.

in some ways it is bizarre that we don't talk much about the tax cut and we talk which is really a tax increase on most americans and we spend our time talking about the crazy soap opera. >> we have been talking about the tax cut. it's the kind of thing that will effect everybody's bottom line. every tax paying american will be effected. do you agree with howard that this is not going to be something that come mid terms next year regardless the outcome it would seem according to house rd, not really going to matter. then explain. if this is a continuing investigation and continuing to go or if it doesn't take down the president then it is regardless. if people say it's not the president do you agree with that? >> i think first and foremost voters decide what is in their

best interest. they are going to look at the tax bill that just passed. i wouldn't say it was tax reform tlmpt were a couple of cuts in there. how does it effect the bottom line? do they feel the country is going in the right direction? when it comes to donald trump and russia and all of this talk i can't help but think that we're seeing the tip of the iceberg on this. i actually don't believe that michael flynn indictment is just about what happened in that transition period and him lying to the fbi about it. i think it goes back to what the trumps have been concerned about and that is their bottom line, financial concerns. mueller investigation kicked off by hiring a lot of forensic accountants and folks familiar with wire transfer and money laundering. the trump campaign did not think they were going to win. what were their deals with russia. i think when we talked about this last week there is a big balloon payment due on fifth

avenue for jared kushner and a lot of other things at play. i wouldn't dare speculate what we are talking about 2018 except for that at the end of the day the voters will go with what they believe is in their best interest. >> let's take a look at senator warner. >> there has never been in modern american history a political campaign that had this much outreach to a foreign government and a foreign adversary throughout the campaign and throughout the transition. >> is he right? is this unprecedented? >> absolutely. >> could there have been a reasonable way of contact trying to make sure they are ready to take over january 20? >> this goes back to july. that's what we will find out. i think suzeson right. i don't want to overstate. we don't know where this is going. i have long given up on

predicting anything about the trump administration. it is possible that this becomes a huge issue because it is a character issue. it is unthinkable that he did this. it may or may not be legally proper. if he traded interests with the russians that gets pretty close to the edge. if he agreed to violate the law which apparently he has by not enforcing the bill duly passed by congress by a huge margin that required sanctions on the russians and he is refusing to implement it then it is pretty clear that is violating the law and it borders on treason. so we don't know what is going on. there is a long way. i think one of the things that mueller is going to find out is there is a tremendous amount of financial inpropriety. if mueller's task is look at the russian stuff but if you find law breaking along the way then you have to take that on.

>> i want to look at a wall street journal report just out today that says the president is undermining his chief of staff's attempts to impose discipline in the white house. here is the read. the president on occasion has called white house aides to private residents in the evening where he asks not to tell about the plans according to several people familiar with the matter. why would he do that? >> why does he do anything? he has under minded his secretary of state tillerson from the beginning. he has under minded every member of his cabinet by basically just the way he speaks and tweets on a weekly basis. it is not surprising at all. the question i have is how long will general kelly take it? how long will other people who are trying to do the right thing by serving this administration stay there because at the beginning of this year i was one

who said let's give the generals a chance. let's give president trump a chance. he has put really good people in. when he does do this type of undermining how long can they stay there and keep their reputations intact and really still help the country? >> in an effort to be fair here, have other presidents taken this kind of tactic with their staff? >> they have not. the psych pathology of donald trump is absolutely fascinating. he is afraid of kelly. trump's father is a strong guy. he was a very strong, tough, not so nice guy who raised these kids. i think donald trump is afraid of general kelly because general kelly is a very stern guy who is 50 years in the marines, not a surprise. i think rather than confront him he is afraid of kelly so he

tries to go around his back. who does this? this is the president of the united states. >> you are a doctor. i will just say that. dr. howard dean. good to see you both. worried about trump's rosy outlook on the tax cuts? this won't make you feel better. the republican tax bill is straight out of 1929 and that reminds us of the old warning that those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. statins lower cholesterol,

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it makes no sense that after the great recession, the great crash that hurt millions and millions of americans and no one was ever held responsible in that building there. they are about to fleece us again. >> new york city mayor bill deblausio weighing in on republican tax plan in a protest outside the new york stock exchange. my next guest says he has seen this tax movie before and it played out right there on wall street. his op-ed the gop tax bill straight out of 1929. republicans are sprinting towards an economic cliff. joining me now history professor. robert, a bill weg welcome to y

why you believe this is de ja vu. >> if the title put on straight out of 1929 isn't quite accurate i think it is straight out of 1926 with the vast tax cuts and deregulation that republicans were pushing through in the 1920s creating a situation that almost guaranteed that the economy would collapse. and ever since the beginning of the 1920s our economy has been mass production which requires mass consumption. in order for things to be consumed the masses of people have to have enough money. what the republican policy has been really dating back well over a century now is trickle down economics and the fact is it has never worked. it might be okay to have most of the money going to the people at the very top in a preindustrial mass consumption economy. when the economy is dependent on

masses of people consuming what is being produced it simply doesn't work. in 1932 franklin rose vlt said take an idea and try it. if it doesn't work throw it away and try something else. above all keep something new. get something that works. well, republican policy both then and obviously now is just the opposite. they don't believe in experimenting with different ideas. they think they have the ideology. there is only one idea. herbert hoover's policy, although he never put it in these words, was basically take the idea, because there is only one. if it doesn't work, try it again. if it doesn't work, try it again. above all, keep trying the same thing. they have been doing this ever since. if you concentrate all of the income in the country or the vast majority of it at the very top, it's certain that the economy may do all right for a while, but it's going to collapse. it's very interesting that the

two points since the beginning of the 1920s at which the greatest percentage of national income was going to the top 0.01% occurred in 1928 and then again in 2007. both of those times around 6% of all the income going to the top 0.01%, which these days is somewhere around 13,000 to 15,000 households out of the entire population. in both cases, that concentration at the top led to an economic collapse. >> so this trickle-down theory, it's just a theory that has never been implemented and worked by your accounting here, and by history's accounting. in this article, you also mention the treasury secretary at the time was andrew mellon, one of the world's richest men, and there was a nebraska senator, a republican, george norris, who said mellon would reap a larger personal reduction in taxes than all the taxpayers in the state of nebraska.

i mean, look at this. it seems uncanny. is this some sort of republican pattern? >> that's because it is a republican pattern. yeah, that's exactly the same sort of thing going on now. although some of those people at the top like mr. trump insist that oh, this is going to kill me. this is terrible. believe me. of course, every time he says believe me, you know you shouldn't believe him, for that matter, whether he says believe me or not, you shouldn't him, but he's not going to kill him at all. this is the worst bill on taxation that i'm aware of in american history. first of all, there's absolutely no reason for this big tax cut at the moment. mr. trump himself talks about how the economy is booming along. without ever mentioning it's just continued on the same trajectory it was on for a couple years before he took office. but if that's the case, and it is, if we're at practically full employment, there's absolutely

no reason to be going into deficit spending. then some of the things that are in it, one of the things not talked about nearly enough in my opinion is the repeal of the estate tax. the republicans very cleverly many years ago decided to call it the death tax. but you often hear that there are only two certain things, death and taxes. what is not said is that those two are mutually exclusive. the dead don't pay any taxes. it's a tax on their heirs. i have said for a long time it should be called the spoiled brat tax or the paris hilton tax or the don jr., ivanka, and eric tax. >> well. >> if trump were worth $10 million, this alone would save his heirs $4 billion. it would save 99.8% of the american people absolutely nothing. and yet there's been a lot of talk of other aspects of the tax bill. >> that one has gotten -- i thank you for bringing it to our attention. it's something a lot of people

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