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that wraps up things for this hour. i'm chris jansing. >> ali velshi picks things up. >> good afternoon. just over an hour, president trump heads to pensacola, florida, for a campaign rally. it matters because pensacola is just 15 mimes from the alabama border. it's in the alabama media market where in four days voters will go to the polls in the special senate election. the president is officially backed the republican candidate in that race, accused molester roy moore. this morning president trump tweeted, last thing to make america great agenda needs is a liberal democrat in the senate. vote roy moore p. a woman who accused roy moore of
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sexually assaulting her when she was 14 years old, asked on "good morning america" did he sign your yearbook? she said, yes. >> he did sign it. >> and you made notes underneath? >> yes. >> moore's supporters say this is beverly young nelson, forged moore's signature. she denies that claim. >> let's get to this. start with hallie jackson, because the president leaving the white house what is his goal in going to pensacola, florida, which would not normally be a stop for a rally for the president? >> reporter: a couple of things. number one, get out of dodge. get out of d.c. and on the campaign trail, which he likes to do, and, yes, this is a campaign stop, a campaign for making america great again. it is at least that. it is also, point number two, a
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de facto campaign stop for roy moore which was made very clee by t clear by the president's tweets earlier, "vote roy moore." you know, as vaughn knows, uncouraging folks to go to the rally. share media markets. talking 20 miles. the reasons you're seeing the president hit the road tonight, leaving the white house in about 90 minutes from now. why does that matter? it's an opportunity for reporters to have questions of the president. sometimes he stops and takes those questions, sometimes he does not. he may want to talk about roy moore. clearly he does, given his tweets today, or at least tweet about him. that comes since monday, when the president officially endorsed moore, the white house faced serious questions that the president supports, not just somebody who faced these accusations he denies sexually abusing a teen girl, sexual
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misconduct in other ways but has said things in the past including that line about slavery now getting a lot of traction online, said things for example, muslims serving in congress. sarah huckabee sanders, the press secretary, responded to some of these questions saying, yeah, well we want roy moore to support everything in the president's agenda. the president doesn't necessary support everything on roy moore's agenda. a lot of eyeballs will be on the president tonight. amp seeing how this week unfolded, the president may want to frankly, let off a little steam at this rally. he likes getting in front of people and doing that. it's been a while since we've seen him do that. >> the comment of the "l.a. times," you made a mention of it. he said, roy moore's quoted saying, i think america was great at the time when families were united even though we had slavery, they cared for one another. our country had a direction. interesting quote.
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von hilliard, back to beverly young nelson. press conference a little while ago with her lawyer, gloria allred can in which comment was made about the fact that a third party has investigated this yearbook and has said that this is roy moore's signature, but there are notes appended to it. where are we on that? >> reporter: exactly. they held that press conference today. it's significant, just four days out now. the roy moore campaign used this as a linchpin to suggest to voters in alabama do not trust the word of these women. every single day they've called on the yearbook, as they say, to be released so they could have a handwriten expert of their own check it out. they questioned the veracity of his signature suggesting beverly young nelson forged the signature. bev ling young nelson insists it is roy moore's and add the date at the bottom of it. still, a lot of rb republicans
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minds they want roy moore in the senate. they don't want to vote for a democrat. and quoting it's a conspiracy, says roy moore. the washington establishment is behind this. doug jones is trying to hammer home the point he is still the most reasonable candidate and getting hemmilp on the airwaves. he and his allies outspending roy moore by a 5-1 margin. a new ad, $500,000 ad by the likes of a super pac founded by evan manage mullen in 2016, trying to bid a third-party bid against president trump and hoda kotb. >> what -- and hillary clinton. >> what if she was your little girl? what if she was 16, or 15, even 14? would you lett 32-year-old man be alone with her? date her, undress her?
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have her touch him? that's what roy moore did. >> reporter: two points i want to make. 2012, consistently go back to 2012 over the next couple days. reminder when roy moore ran for chief justice that year he beat the democrat bob vance in that race by just three percentage points. the second point i just got off the phone with the montgomery elections manager who she told me for hoyer county, compared to the schedule election, nine times the numbers of requests for absentee ballets. expect at least a 25% turnout come tuesday. significant, because democrat doug jones needs a high voter turnout among democrats and crossover republicans who will back him on tuesday. >> a very high voter turnout to make it work for him. hallie jackson, dina powell leaving the white house. what's that about? >> reporter: leaving early next year. something that the white house says had been long planned.
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before she does leave, she is going to travel with the vice president to the middle east when he leaves late next week, for that trip to israel, to meet with both netanyahu and abbas. also heading to egypt, essentially -- i don't want to call it damage control but having these conversations days after the very controversial jerusalem announcement. dina powell will continue to be involved in peace discussions down the road even after she leaves the white house, but this is something she was an ally, really, the jared kushner, of ivanka trump, of gary cone and i wouldn't be surprised, ale, if this is the first of some of the departures we may see from folks, spend a year and see what else is out there. >> hallie, thanks. vaughn hilliard in florida. thank you very much. a list of lawmakers with sexual abuse allegations is
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growing. franks talked about female staffers being surrogate mothers for his children. i deep he regret this conversation in the process in the workplace caused distress. joining me from capitol hill, more on that. garrett what do we know? >> reporter: congressman franks laid out most of what we knew in his statement last night announcing he would resign end of january because of this. the statement is lengthy and in it he describes his family's battle with infertility, the struggle he and his wife had had to have children and indeed these conversations with women about potentially becoming surrogates. the minimum, incredibly awkward office conversation, one he found to be inappropriate, one that the speaker found to be inappropriate and told him as much. speaker ryie inan saying he tol franks to resign and the ethics committee wouldigating this, saying opening this investigation. the harassment element and talk about retaliation. that's the part we don't know.
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that franks hasn't addressed, that women at of heart of this haven't complained, what happened after he had this conversation about surrogacy and what, if any, steps were taken to punish these women for how they responded to it is potentially the other shoe to drop on that story. >> garrett haake on capitol hill. thanks. in california the president declared a state of emergency as a sixth wildfire is now burning in the state causing historic damage. in san diego county the lilac fire burned more than 4,000 acres, forced about 20,000 people to evacuate, and currently is zero percent contained. the latest fire comes as thousands of firefighters are in southern california doing all they could to contain the flames battles 50 and 60 mile-per-hour winds. nearly 200,000 people have already been evacuated mainly in ventura county, where the biggest fire, the thomas fire is still burning. here's the before. show you the after.
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right now you get a sense of it. there we go. nbc's jay gray is in ventura and joins us now. jay, what's the situation? >> reporter: ali, you just shared the overwhelming numbers, the magnitude of this fire from north of los angeles through the san diego area is just brutal, but this is the reality behind me. we're in ventura where the thomas fire is still raging out of control. you can see, there's really nothing left behind here, ali, anymore. a bunch of crumbled debris and ash what so many families are coming home to across the strike zone right no. will have to start over. some we've talked to said we can't do it. the fires have worn us out and we're moving on but most say they're coming back and will rebuild here. that's going to take some time. more than 5,500 firefighters on the front lines of these fires right now. it's the wind that's really makes this what is-it-t is.
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gusts up to hurricane levels. hard to believe they're fighting fires with winds equal to a gust of a hurricane pushing them along. embers jumps sometimes a mile ahead of the main blaze which really is causing a big problem for those fire teams. they're caught in the middle of what are two fires at that point. at its peak we know these flame, ali, raced across and acre or more every second. let that sink in. how much these were swallowing as these fires moved forward. how do you get a handle on that? to this point the firefighters and strike teams continue to work and say it's going to be a rough go through the weekend. >> no kidding. jay, thanks for your reporting on this. jay gray reporting from ventura, california. we'll, of course, stay on top of that story. and we're going to take a break. up next, details on the case that special counsel robert mueller is bringing against paul manafort and rick gates. prosecutors are sharing discovery with their defense attorneys and it is extensive. plus, everything you need to
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we're getting an inside look at the case against president donald trump former campaign manager and longtime business associate. federal prosecutors are sharing discovery with lawyers for paul manafort and rick gates pap normal part of the process including 400,000 e-mails financial records corporate records and vendor records and copies of the 15 search warrants or seizures. it's a whole lot for the defense teams to sort through. joining me now to explain is nbc's intelligence and national security reporter ken delanian, on this since the beginning. ken, again, discovery is a normal part of the process. a case against someone. got to allow the defense to know what the case is and what evidence you're going to present so they can prepare an adequate defense. >> right, ali. this was a routine filing where
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they're sort of turning, explaining the documents that they're turning over to the defense. what's call people's eye this morning the enormity of the scope of this filing and volume of information that they collected in this paul manafort and rick gates case. as you said, more than 400,000 separate documents including e-mails, corporate records, vendor records, testimonies, all sorts of things. bank records from exotic locales like cypress and the grenadines. underscores how much went into investigating this case resulting in a multicount indictment against both of these men and now they're on their way to trial. >> talk about the other important pease of news, vis-a-vis russia. reports of e-mails sent to donald trump and don junior about the wikileaks information that they had on hillary clinton. a website with an encryption key to get the information? >> right. we now have a copy of the e-mail provided to us by donald trump
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jr.'s lawyer, it's less than meets the eye. the e-mail shows this went to candidate trump, donald trump and others, the day after these wikileaks documents were made public. this correspondent was pointing them to the leaked documents. to be sure, wikileaks at that point, well established they were working with the russians, the russians hacked democratic e-mails. this can be seen as incriminating but donald trump was public about his embrace of wikileaks throughout the campaign. on october -- early october, the intelligence community said point blank, wikileaks is working with the russians in their efforts to interfere with the election. the trump team may have to answer for that but this wasn't a secret effort to point them to documents that weren't yet public. >> fair enough, but still indicative of the fact there is a, a relationship not previously disclosed between wikileaks and the trumps? >> we're not sure who this
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e-mailer was. could have been a random citizen. trying to track it down. >> got>> it a couple weeks after that, wikileaks was direct messaging donald trump jr. on twitter. there was certainly some communication there. >> thanks, ken delanian. russian dissidents are urging the d.c. council to rename the street in front of the russian embassy to honor this man -- boris nemtsov, a prominent leader assassinated in moscow back in 2015. one of the russian president's most prominent critics, shot and killed outside the kremlin. his death sent shock waves through the opposition movement. the leader of the push to rename the street is journalist longtime colleague and friend of boris nemtsov. he was poisoned twice in moscow. the second time putting him in a week-long coma. he joins me now. chairman of the boris nemtsov foundation for freedom. vladimir good to see you.
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thank you for being with us. >> hello, ali. good to be on your program. >> this is sort of important. a lot of people say, all right, you want a street named after him, but boris nemtsov and his assassination are really key for people in the west understanding the state of opposition to the existing government in russia. it is -- it has been shown to be hazardous to one's life and liberty to have a prominent opposition role in russia? >> absolutely. and symbols are important and symbolism and memory are important. certainly important for the kremlin and the great many people in russia who reject this regime and have a different vision for our country. a much more hopeful, democratic and european vision and boris nemtsov was the most prominent leader of the opposition in russia. the loudest and purest voice in opposition to abuses and corruption and authoritarian rule and aggressiveness of the putin regime. and when boris nemtsov was
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assassinated, this did not stop, astonishingly, the kremlin the fight against him. when alive, he was repeatedly attacked by gangs, smeared on state propaganda and television, repeatedly arrested and jail for peaceful demonstrations but would not relent and not stop and silenced the only way he could be silenced which was with an assassin's bullet on a bridge in front of the kremlin. continuing to fight boris nemtsov even now after his death. now fighting his memory. again, memories and symbols are very important. the memory of smug someone who stood for freedom would not be welcomed by the kremlin. we are not allowed to commemorate and honor a russian statesman in russia in our own country. authorities repeatedly rejected and blocked the numerous initiatives for any commemoration.
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forget a street name, eve an small plaque is not allowed. several times the municipal authorities and police arrive on the bridge where boris nemtsov was killed and unofficial memorial, more than 2.5 years old, russians continue to bring candles and the police arrive and plunder this. this is filmed, absolutely mind-boggling images. grown men in official uniforms coming to steal flowers under the cover of darkness. again, made pretty clear to us that while the current government is in power in russia we will not be allowed to honor a statesman in russia. >> we talk, we in the media shouldn't say russians. there are lots of russians, and lots of russians on all part of the political spectrum when discussing the russian government. where does the effort to have some degree of opposition voice in russia fall in the larger
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conversation that we are endlessly having about the russian government as it relates to the interference in the u.s. election? how do the two connect? >> i think it's very important, as you mentioned a minute ago to distinguish and differentiate between russia as a country and the surnt regime, which is vladimir putin. it has no democrat mandate from the russian people income, violating and abuses the rights of russian citizens long before it began engaging in aggression of greater interference abroad. one of the very important goaling for this initiative, the initiative to have a street in washington, d.c., the block in front of the russian embassy in washington sdedesignated in mem of boris nemtsov it is a tribute to a man who lived his life and gave his life for the freedom of his country and a very important message and reminder both to russians and to americans, i think. to russians, to russian
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democrats, a message of solidarity and support. a message our fight is not ignored or forgotten. to americans, given all the media environment and everything that's been talked about with regard to russia in recent months, i think boris nemtsov street in front of the plaz plaza in washington, it's not only about putin the aggression, there are honorable people in russia, like boris gnome sovsh sta -- nemtsov and we are very grateful because there was public hearing on the bill and i testified at the hearing, and his daughter were grateful for the d.c. council for taking the lead with this initiative after blocked on a federal level, block in congress and we're hopeful the votes will succeed and i have absolutely no doubt. whatever the current regime thinks of this, absolutely no doubt there will come a day when the russian state is proud to
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have its embassy in washington, d.c. standing on boris nemtsov plaza. >> always good to talk with you. the chairman of the boris nemtsov foundation for freedom. breaking news right now. representative trent franks, republican from arizona, resigning immediately. just released the following statement. last night my wife was admitted to the hospital in washington, d.c. due to an ongoing ailment after discussing options with my family we came to the conclusion the best thing for our family now for me to tender my resignation today, december 8, 2017. that's all we have. when we get more, we will bring it to you. tendering his resignation effective immediately. coming up, talking to one of president trump's top economic advisers that provides a huge break to high-income earners. that's on the other side of this.
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calculate their tax rate two different ways and pay the higher rate. created in 1968. originally designed as a way to ensure high-income earners couldn't use all the tax breaks and deductions to avoid their tax burden entirely. now when it was created it affected about 20,000 high-income taxpayers. that's changed. this year, the tax policy center estimates about 5.2 million taxpayers will pay a higher rate thanks to the amt. some of this is population growth but not grown that way. 29% of all households with incomes between $200,000 and $500,000 will pay the amt this year. generally higher earners. however, only 20% of all households with incomes over $1 million will pay it. a bit of a, hmm. households earning as little as
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$75,000 can end up paying the higher amt, particularly if they rely on deductions. to discuss further joined by kevin hassett who does me the great service, we've been friends a long time, of joining me and engaging in the sort of, enjoyable debate you and i have had for many, many years. >> 20 years or something. >> was that a fair description of the amt? >> fair. notice it looked like it might start snowing in washington, first time this year. >> i do notice. try and keep the conversation short for your benefit. >> i'm fine. >> let me ask you about this. okay. dispense of one thing. jobs numbers. not fair to have somebody from the white house on the day when the jobs numbers came out. >> a good number. >> 228,000 net new jobs created. unemployment rate steady at 4.1%. a little increase in wages. anything we're missing there? seemed to be a good, clean report. >> yeah. you know, the thing i found most heartening in the report was that it looked like the gains
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were wide spread, affecting all americans. people are coming back into the labor force a little bit. the unemployment rate for hispanics went to the lowest level in recorded history. started measuring it in the '70s, nevin been so low. gains are broad-based but disappointment rage growth is lower than we'd like to see. >> a conversation we'll continue to v. talk about it a lot. >> back in 2006, you called the amt and economic abomination. >> yes. >> my question to you, isn't there value in a tax as it was initially proposed to make sure that people with the greatest resources for lawyers and accountants don't get away without paying an adequate level of taxation? >> the house and senate have to work it out. that's one of the things that's different between the two bills and the senate when looking for revenue revised the amt. we in the white house are hopeful the amt is eliminated as in the house bill and not getting out in front of the
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negotiations as i did with that quote before in the administration. the amt san odd thing you have to calculate your taxes twice, pay whichever is higher. if you go back -- i really liked your graphic going back to, what, 1970 when introduced. there was i think a -- story goes there was a "time" magazine or other story about some little old lady who was a millionaire paid no taxes. that was really where the whole debate started. at least at tax conferences i've heard that said. haven't in fact checked it. >> no one's found the little old lady, but that's the point. >> think how that happens. what's going on is we pass laws that say municipal bond interest is not taxable. so then somebody might say, oh, i really like the idea not paying taxes. load up on muni bonds but it's a lawful thing. worried someone could avoid paying tax because of lots of interest income from mini bonds, change the treatment of muni bonds, right? don't necessarily have to have another tax system everybody has to calculate twice and the muni
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bonds tend to paper a lower interest rate because they're tax-free. it's not really the case you're free riding. right? you're getting a subsidy there but not a radical adjustment. >> the issue, how it's sold. like the estate tax, you have always made it philosophical, the argument why we don't need that or the amt, but the argument i seem to get when i have republican congressmen on here is that this is somehow a middle class thing. it's generally not. there are some people in the middle class fallen subject to the amt and an easy fix for that. just indexing it so people earning $75,000 or $100,000 are not paying it. general between $150,000 and $200,000 are paying it, not a middle class thing? >> exactly right. and tend to be people in states with high state and local income tax deduction. sometimes hits people with other issues that lead them to have a lower taxable income. the fact is, we're hopeful that
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the white house, this is eliminated in the end and have to understand we have to be respectful of regular order and they'll negotiate that in conference. >> kevin good to talk to you. >> thanks, great to be here again. >> i always enjoy our conversations. chairman of the council of economic advisers at the white house. democratic congressman john lewis of georgia and betty thompson will not attend the opening of the civil rights museum in mississippi because the president will appear. in a joint statement they argue, trump's attendance and hurtful policies are an insult to those portrayed in the civil rights museum. response, the white house said in part, "we think it's unfortunate these members of congress wouldn't join the president honoring the incredible sacrifice made to write injustices in our history." congressman john lewis you know is a civil rights icon helped organize martin luther king jr.'s march on washington. joined by cory wiggins, executive director of the naacp
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mississippi state congress. thanks for being with us. >> thank you for having me today. >> what's your take on this mess? >> well, you know, we issued a statement asking first our governor of mississippi to rescind the president's invitation to come here, and really it is about policy. this question about the administration's pushing against dismantling of the affordable care act, rolling back voting rights. we don't feel those policies really align with the values of the civil rights movement and what we all here, this historic opportunity. >> the congressional black caucus put out a statement it's laughable the white house is criticizing john lewis and betty thompson for not attending that honors the sacrifices of -- wait. john lewis, betty thompson and many others. equating peaceful people who
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protested knee ee eed neo-nazi supremacists -- they just don't get it. >> i get the point they're both making and that john lewis and betty thompson are having. is this a fight worth having? the opening of a museum not the sort of thing to be inclusive? >> this idea of this opportunity, we are now talking about president coming to visit this museum. what we are not talking salve those people who made the ultimate sacrifice involved and engaged in the civil rights movement, gave their life to the civil rights movement. this has become a distraction. as it relates to president trump and as it relates to this opportunity tlshs h opportunity, there has been plenty opportunity for the administration to have a conversation of substance about how do you address issues in african-american communities through policy? we just haven't seen it happen. >> one of the things that one
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wonders about is the white house's decision to engage in this. i guess a handful of people one has to be careful about engaging when it comes to civil rights behalf of the history these men have. what do you think the white house gains from this? i'm trying to figure, what do you get from a fight with john lewis and betty thompson? i think i've lost corey's mike. we'll see if we can figure that out. corey wiggins, executive director of the naacp mississippi state conference, if we are not able to get him back. also going to bring awe report from jerusalem when we come back as palestinians clash with israeli security forces. all in response to president trump's decision to recognize jerusalem as the capital of israel. we'll take a closer look at the countries in the region who have a real role to play when it comes to a push for peace in the middle east. what have they got say? next.
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we have corey wiggins back. executive director of the naacp. sorry corey, lost your mike for some reason. trying to figure out what the white house gets? what constituency does it serve to start the fight ta they ended up starting with john lewis and betty thompson? >> i don't know what the white house gets out ofs th this but mississippi loses. a historic opportunity to focus on those who stood for equality and justice.
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we're losing a key opportunity at this point in time too have a real conversation shine a light on so many folks work known and unknown to the civil rights movement not only in mississippi but nationally. this distraction. white house attending this event is pushing the narrative away from it at the same time in a white house or administration policies are reflective, not as though xzibited xhibited in th here in mississippi. >> corey wiggins, executive director of the naacp conference. and nikki haley had strong words in defense of president trump's decision to recognize jerusalem as the capital of israel and move the u.s. embassy calling it the will of the american people and the right thing to do. >> the united states no longer stands by when israel is unfairly attacked in the united nations. and the united states will not be lectured to by countries that
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lack any credibility when it comes to treating both israelis and palestinians fairly. >> but she was alone in her defense. no one else on the 15-member council agreed. the ambassador acknowledged some of their concerns in her speech. >> the united states has not taken a position on boundaries or borders. the specific dimensions of sovereignty over jerusalem are still to be decided by the israelis and the palestinians in negotiations. the united states is not predetermining final status issues. we remain committed to achieving a lasting peace agreement. >> meanwhile, protests are continuing for a second day in reaction to this announcement. on the ground for us in jerusalem is nbc chief foreign correspondent richard engel. richard? >> reporter: ali, we've been talking about the importance of jerusalem, how important to the israelis and to palestinians and we saw that explode into anger today in the old city.
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once again in damascus gate behind me is the old city, and we were in the old city today and after friday prayers went there to cover palestinians who were leaving the alaxa mosque in the old city, coming tout denounce the announcement by president trump and hold a protest. as soon as they left the mosque area they were confronted by police. it got quite aggressive. the police didn't let them get eve an few hundred yards. they started pushing and shoving, trying to prevent them from congregating and gathering. it was over relatively quickly but we saw how determined israeli security forces are to prevent this from getting out of control. prevent this from spreading. it doesn't seem they're having too much success. had a great success preventing this demonstration, but it is still spreading. there are about 30 demonstrations in other parts of palestinian areas and then tonight it is escalating in the
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gaza strip. at least one rocket according to the israeli military was fired from the northern gaza strip into israel. apparently causing no casualties. the israelis blamed hamas. fired back. they said at a hamas target, at a hamas launch site. there are reports of at least 25 palestinian casualties, and there is an expectation that there could be more, more activity, israeli military strikes against gaza tonight. perhaps more from the gaza strip, more rockets coming from the gaza strip as well. >> all right. richard, thanks very much. richard engel in jerusalem. things are heating up in the middle east. as the administration backs the president's decision to move the u.s. embassy to jerusalem, the most important allies with the largest role to play in the middle east are not supportive of this move. egypt's pled spoke to the palestinian president over the phone saying egypt rejects the u.s. recognition of jerusalem as the capital of israel and any
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impact that results from it. this overlooks the special position of jerusalem for arabs and muslims. qatar's foreign minister called trump's undertaking "a death sentence for all who seek peace" and called it "a dangerous escalation." jordan's government spokesman, all unilateral moves that seem to create new facts on the ground is null and void, and the saudi saying following with deep sorrow president trump's decision and hoped the u.s. administration will reverse the action and support the international will to enable the palestinian people to regain their legitimate rights. i want to turn now to jane harmon, former democratic congresswoman of california now the president and ceo of the woodrow wilson center. she and the organization know this topic very, very well. jane, this is -- when nikki haley talked about israel and palestine, israel and the palestinians having to sort this out in negotiations, there are no negotiations. there have been no negotiations for some time. >> right.
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>> so the problem is, america is not in a position to put its head in the sand and say, y'all work it out, and when you do, we'll pick this up later. this is either america's role or it's not. >> no. i think it is america's role to stay engaged in the region, and i think there was some disappointment that the obama administration after the massive effort that john kerry made to create conditions for an israel/palestinian authority peace failed, the obama administration seemed to pivot out and people were very disappointed, plus some other decisions on syria and elsewhere were disappointing to many and they didn't see our strategy's in in this case i'm nor bullish. let me splane, ali, explain inc mouth is opened. >> passed overwhelmingly,
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declaring jerusalem, capital of israel, passed in the senate and house, saying, though, presidents would waive the move to jerusalem every six months. president trump two days ago when he declared jerusalem the capital of israel did waive it again. and the secretary of state tillerson said it will be some years before the embassy moves. trump's statement was careful. he didn't say it couldn't also be the capital of a palestinian state and he did say something else that is u.s. policy and i strongly believe this and think most of the people protesting out there believe this that there should be two states in the region. the palestinians do have rights to their own homeland. >> right. so -- >> this could be a longer plot that hasn't played out yet. >> okay. i give you that. and that's true that would be amazing, if that's true. what leads you to believe this is part of a bigger plot? because the plots we have going in the middle east are with the saudis, because nobody can figure out what our brand new bigger love affair between the trump administration and the
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saudis are. letting them run amuck in exchange for something. one hopes that something might be, hey, recognition of israel as a state leading others to do it, but nobody in the region has an interest on the ground there suggesting that there is anything good about what the president did in terms of our allies, in terms of egypt, in terms of saudi arabia in terms of turkey, in terms of jordan? that's what i'm worried about. >> i give you that, including the saudis, also denouncing the move. however, first of all, there is some effort, it may not succeed, by the new saudi leadership, this very young crowned prince, with his 2030 plan to provide economic opportunity within and some rights for women within saudi arabia. there are some change there's. the saudis proposed a plan in 2002 for the entire region to recognize israel's part of a deal. they are willing, so i understand, to provide a lot of money to the palestinians to make this an easier transition. all of these people, including
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the israelis, are staunchly anti-iran. i see the possibility that saudi money, palestinian willingness to receive the aid, and to join a coalition against iran, which i think is possible, israel's s support, and u.s. help will create a two-state solution that doesn't look like the ones we thought about before. >> jane, i never doubt what you have to say, so you and i will keep talking and see if this comes to pass. >> i hope i'm right. >> i hope you, too. >> the palestinians deserve a homeland. >> jane harman, former democratic representative from california and the ceo of the woodrow wilson center. coming up, why cracking down on sexual harassment isn't just the right thing to do. it's good business. we'll break down a new report that links women in the workplace to economic growth. first, president trump's transportation department is dropping an obama administration proposal that would require them to disclose extra baggage fees
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this just in. the woman who accused roy moore of touching her when she was 16 is addressing the new controversy over her high school yearbook.
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she says he signed it but she added the date at the bottom. the addition of the year raises questions about the authenticity of the message. earlier today, beverly young nelson and her attorney had a press conference after hiring a handwriting expert to examine the yearbook. >> according to forensic handwriting and document examiner arthur t. anthony, the signature and the handwritten notation above the signature were prepared by roy moore. we did not ask the expert to examine the printing after the cursive writing and signature because beverly indicates she added that to remind herself of who roy moore was and where and when mr. moore signed her yearbook. >> beverly young nelson took the nike and said she stands by her accusations and also talked about the threats she gotten since coming forward. >> this reminds me of when roy moore told me that no one would believe me because i was a
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child. and he was the district attorney of etowah county, alabama. i've lived in fear of sharing what he did to me until other women came forward. i still have some fear, but i refuse to be intimidated into silence. >> the roy moore campaign is expected to hold a press conference later about the yearbook. we're told moore will not be attending. as more stories of sexual harassment at the workplace come to light, a new report by the s&p shows the u.s. economy could have a large ear could have been larger and more productive if more women were in the workforce. the report is titled the key to unlocking gdp growth? women. one of the authors of that report is joining me. a chief u.s. economist for s&p global equity research. >> great to be here. >> this is a really interesting report. it's not really about sexual harassment. it's not about that. it's the idea that because of some structural things we've got in our country, the inability to get child care, the guarantees for maternity leave that are
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weaker than almost every other developed nation. we have an untapped resource. women not in the workforce who we could have in our workforce if we were better about it. >> correct. what we looked at, we focused on the u.s. economy is slow. we're looking at growth for the last ten years at around 2%, 2.25%. one of the reasons is because the labor participation rate is near a 40-year low. one of the things we looked at then is what happens to women in the workforce? it certainly has improved. it's now 5th 3 in 5 are in the workforce. compared to other countries, we're slipping farther behind. >> because those other developed nations have all sorts of things. some are governmental policies and some are corporate and cultural policies that make it easy for women to work on a more flexible schedule, a part-time schedule, be able to take time off if they want to have kids and make sure their job is back.
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have paid leave and be able to have child care. that -- all that stuff means that we among developed countries are some of the toughest on women being in and staying in the workforce. >> we see it as a cost benefit scenario. a woman, a potential worker, a female who wants to enter the workforce, they'll do the cost of what is the cost of child care versus the paycheck. and sometimes that child care cost can be too much. some women don't have the choice. a single mother, for example, has to go to work and 40% or so of her paycheck goes to child care. >> so that's an equation that doesn't work. it discourages the idea of having children or rearing them, knowing you'll still have a career. one thing the president likes to talk about is higher economic growth. he's talking about 4%, 5% and 6%. most economists don't think that's likely but the math to get higher economic growth is you have to have productivity and labor. you actually have to have those people. either we get them through
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immigration or through immigration and encourage more than the 3 in 5 women in america to be working. >> when we look at it, we think of an economy -- probably the most important research for an economy is labor. and let's get those people back to work or encourage them to work. now we also are at a point where retirees are leaving the workforce so we need them even more. why can't we make it easy for women who choose to work to enter the workforce. >> it's a good discussion and a different discussion but that's yet one more reason why we need to make our workplaces more favorable for women to get ahead. beth ann bovino, thank you. chief u.s. economist for s&p global equity research. that has brought us to the end of our show. i'll see you at 12:30 p.m. tomorrow for velshi & ruhle here on msnbc. have a great weekend. thank you for watching. "deadline white house" with nicolle wallace starts right now.
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>> hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. we're going to get to the latest developments in the russia investigation, but first, against the drum beat of revelations about donald trump's campaign and its contacts with russia and special counsel bob mueller claiming three former campaign aides and the president's first national security adviser. news today of a high level departure from the white house staff is both unsurprising and certain to not be the first. deputy national security adviser dina powell, one of the key figures deal with the north korean threat, announced today she'd leave the white house early next year. i spoke to powell earlier today who said she leaves on great terms with the president and she'll continue to advise the white house on middle east policy. during the staff shake-up over the summer, powell was rumored to have been a candidate for the chief of staff position. national security adviser h.r. mcmaster called her one of the most talented and effective leaders with whom i've


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