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there is confirmation he played at least 75 times. shawn sean back in march told me this was different of president obama's use of golf, obama played less than president trump but sean said trump was using the game much differently. can you tell me the biggest single thing the president has accomplished for the american people during his time on the golf course? >> i think it would certainly be developing deeper and better relationships with members of congress which those relationships have helped push forward the president's agenda specifically when it comes to helping get the tax reform and tax cuts passed. a lot of that, the success of that came from the strong relationship has the president has. and he has played golf with a number of senators and used that time certainly to accomplish that. >> so much has been accomplished during this time, there seems to be a bit of a transparency issue with his time on the golf course. we don't always get confirmation of what he's doing there despite a wloft requests. there was this incident with the
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box truck. why does it seem the white house is a little self -- you know, has some kind of issue about his time on the course? >> i think it's the press that has an issue with his time on the course. the president is extremely proud of the accomplishments we had during 2017. i don't think anyone can argue it was probably one of the most successful first years in office, passed major legislation, reworked the court system, and got a supreme court justice nominated and approved and on the bench in the first year. a booming economy. massive gapes against the war on isis. i think we have had an extremely successful 2017. and some of that is due to the relationship building that he was able to do there. we will take one last question. ayman. i'm sorry. >> is there a reason or no confirmation when he has meetings on the golf course. >> we provide information when it's pertinent to the today and we'll continue to do that. >> regarding tax reforms, the
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president says companies are giving bonuses to employees as a result of the tax cut bill. really great. will the trump organize administration be giving bonuses to its employees as a result of the tax cut bill. >> you have to ask the trump organization. >> does the president feel that companies that can afford to pay bonuses should pay bonuses to their workers this year? >> i think he certainly hopes companies will either give bonuses to their employees or somehow reinvest and bring business back into the country. that was one of the big purposes and goals of the tax cut bill which we've certainly seen play out over the last couple of weeks and except to see more good news from that. >> welcome to the press briefing in 2018, this year's inaugural edition of what did the president mean when he tweeted x. we have gotten 15 tweets since december 30th alone.
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i think sarah huckabee sanders answered a few questions on things ranging from iran, pakistan, north korea, d.r.e.a.m.ers, huma abedin, the deep state at the fbi, and also airline safety. a number of thing that donald trump has been tweeting about in the last few days. good afternoon again i'm katy tur in for ali velshi. president trump is back at white house. while there are domestic issues on this year's agenda, the international issues took the spotlight in today's white house press briefing. >> in recent days we have watched widespread protests erupt in iranian cities. years of mismanagement, corruption and foreign are to blame. >> tensions remain high there after nearly a week of protests which started over the country's struggling economy. iranian state tv reported nine more people were killed in clashes overnight bringing the total number of the dead to 22.
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these mark the largest demonstrations iran has seen in eight years. all this as we are closely covering tensions on the korean peninsula ahead of next month's winter olympics. north korea has scheduled talks with south korea over possibly sending a delegation to the winter games. north and south korea haven't met in over two years. a ballistic missile test by north korea is possible in the coming days. we will break that down in just a moment. first let's bring in kristen welker who was in the briefing room for us and then we'll touch on the processes in iran. all of the answers sarah huckabee sanders gave today stem from questions asking what the president of the united states meant in his tweets, his direct communication with the american
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people. talk to us about two things, about north korea and iran, two of the biggest challenges he is facing at the moment. >> first let's talk about north korea. sarah huckabee sanders got a number of questions about what president trump meant when he tweeted earlier today effectively saying it may be a good thing, it may not be a good thing that south korea leaders are expected to meet with north korean leaders. it is impending meeting is viewed as undercutting the united states relationship with its ally, south korea. from the podium, sarah huckabee sanders pushed back against that characterization. she says the relationship between the united states and south korea remains very strong, remains very firm. but she did call on the united states international partners to ramp up pressure on north korea to stop its nuclear provocations and to abandon its nuclear weapons program. that was the message on north korea as it continues to monitor that crisis very closely. of course, also monitoring the
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protests in iran. we know that trump has sent out a number of tweets supporting the protesters. and that has raised a lot of eyebrows, some expressing concerns that that could have a backlash. sarah huckabee sanders asked about what the president ultimately wants to see there, does he want to see regime change, for example. i asked her katie what exactly the president meant when he tweeted earlier today that it's time for change in iran. look at that exchange the president said it's time for change in iran. did he mean leadership or in policy or in both? >> i think, again, the biggest thing is the change would be that the people of iran have basic human rights, which their government is frankly not allowing them to have at this time. and certainly in large part stopping a state sponsor of terrorism. i mean i think those are the changes we are looking for. if they want to do that through
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current leadership, if that's possible, okay. but those are our priorities making sure thou those principles are met. >> so that certainly took up a fair amount of the briefing. she was also asked about his tweet regarding pakistan. let me read that you tweet, katy. the president say the united states is foolishly given pakistan more than $33 billion in aid over the last 15 years and they have given us nothing but lies and deceit thinking of our leaders as fools. she was asked repeatedly what specifically the president meant in that tweet. is he going to pull aid from pakistan. by the way, pakistani officials say that $33 billion figure is inaccurate. she would not say specifically what the president meant there but did echo his sentiment that essentially pakistan has not been an honest broker when it comes to dealing with a whole range of issues. one other headline that really caught my attention, katy. she was asked about the
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president's legislative priorities. as we know, as we have been talking about throughout the day he has a lot on his plate as he begins this new year. and she said they are effectively trying to hash out in what order they will tackle a number of issues, everything from health care to immigration, to funneleding the government with the government set to run out of money in just about three weeks from now, katy. >> kristen, thank you very much. ayman, let's talk about the protests and the u.s.'s response. the president obviously we're watching iran. he's tweeting in support of the protesters. does he run a risk in supporting the protesters out there, run a risk for the middle east to think that the u.s. is once again meddling or run a risk that the iranians will crack down harder on those protesters? >> a few things. one is i'm sure that a lot of iranians are not following what president trump is tweeting. i don't think they are necessarily concerned with what the president has to say on that particular issue. there is a big segment of iran
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that has probably tuned out president trump since the travel ban was imposed. there is a lot of animosity, a lot of deep seated mistrust between the iran and the united states give the animosity going back decades. so i don't think anybody is looking at what president trump is tweeting as a genuine sign what have the united states genuinely cares about, the people of iran, given the policies that have been in place there. >> question about that, though. i mean, if the protesters -- if this does turn into something bigger. and who knows, it's still very early days, if it does turn into something bigger, akin to the arab spring, big if, obviously. does the u.s. have an obligation, does the u.s., would that he want to be on the side of the protesters to show them that we were here while they were trying to fight for civil rights and for better representation, et cetera, et cetera, better economic standing within their country? do we -- do we want to make sure
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that we befriend people before potentially there is a different regime in power? >> again i would have to say to you that's probably a question for the u.s. government to answer. if i had to say to you that the united states's foreign policy in the middle east is a trap between american interests and american values. they oftentimes are not on the same track. if you look historically, i think a lot of people would make the argument america did not live up to the values it wants to promote in the arab spring. there are policies of human rights. and you look at countries in the middle east that are engaged in practicing human rights to international standards or livable standards, certainly not democratic ones. so they would say the united states has supported autocratic regimes all over. it's hard to say that the united states' words live up to their actions. i think that's the argument a lot of iranians would probably subscribe to, say that the american government way want to espouse these values of human
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rights and democracy. and that's something the iranian foreign minister said, you are supporting egypt and like countries. they are not pastians of human rights. don't cam after us. that's an argument a lot of iranian people would work. however, putting the spotlight on this issue does elevate the discussion, what is happening in iran so that the international community is aware and not silenced by what the iranian government tries to do over the course of the next days. >> you reported from the square during the arab spring. you were there on the front lines. when you look at protests in iran right now what are you watching for. >> for the durability of the protests, the stamina of the protests, whether the government unleashes aly that will force. there are some arab countries like egypt where the military stood by and did not actively get engaged in the protests.
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i think that's going on the an indicator where the iran government or the senior religious leaders unleash that punishment. a lot of people say this is leaderless. that's significant because it means it could fizzle out. but the reality is the arab spring was also leaderless. the argument to be made about the similarities is that the iranian protests that do not have a single leader makes it harder for the iranian government to arrest a single individual to clamp down on the protest. it's organic. it's widespread. it's across the country geographically. the real test is going to be durability and stamina of the protesters in the wake of the ratcheted up pressure from the iranian government side. >> thank you for laying it out for us and trying to make sense of it. another topic at the briefing the breaking news that orrin hatch, the 80-year-old senator from utah announces that he is retiring at the end of the year. >> i have always been a fighter.
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i was an amateur boxer in my youth and i brought that story with me to washington. every good fighter knows when to hang up the gloves. for me that time is soon approaching. that's why after much prayer and discussion with family and friends i have decided to retire at the ends of this term. >> garrett haake has the breaking news that former presidential nominee myth romney could quote likely run for that senate seat. garrett joins us now from washington. you followed myth romney in 2012 on the campaign trail. you know the manuel. you know his inner circle well. is he going to run? >> katy, romney's world wants this to be orrin hatch's day. that being said i have been in touch with people in his inner circle for the last several months, ever since hatch floated the idea that romney could run for his seat, and i have been hearing this change over that time period including up until today where it was romney was
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thinking about it. romney was maybe leaning towards it. to now i'm being told that this is something that romney wants to do. really, as late in the game as we are in running for a senate seat even in a deep red seat where the republican nominee is going to be 100% advantaged, romney rescued the salt lake city olympics in 2012. he was the face of the mormon religion in 2012. he has deep pockets. it's hard to see how anyone but mitt romney could mount a credible senate campaign right now starting from january. but it seems in very much something he wants to do. but they are being careful not to jump out and feel like they are stepping on orrin hatch. a lot of the conferring from the romney folks was this is the hatch's decision. he was the senator. they were not going to primary him, not going to challenge him.
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it's hatch's decision. that's still the case. i would be more surprised if he doesn't run for senate, i think it's more than likely he does decide to get in. >> key question. romney was a detractor of donald trump during the campaign. how does he run? does he run as an anti-trump republican or does he run as some combination between moral high ground and working with this republican congress? >> from folks i have been talking to i think it's more likely you would try to see romney split the difference. no republican has shown how the win statewide yet post trump. >> if you are going to do it anywhere, wouldn't you do it in utah. >> it would be the place to do it. myth romney could be a bulletproof anti-trump republican in a state where the president, despite being a red state is not especially popular for all of the stylistic reasons that you might imagine.
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but my understanding is that the people close to romney don't want to make this romney versus the president. if he does run, they would want it to be myth romneys is a qualified person a steward on the economy, believes in american foreign policy and oh, by the way he told you about russia 2350i6 years ago. he don't necessarily want it to be a romney versus trumpvation. >> he did also call the president very, very not smart during the campaign. i imagine that might get brought up again. romney says, i join the people of utah in thanking my friend orrin hatch for his more than 40 years of service to our great state and nation as chairman of the senate finance and judiciary committees and as the longest serving senator in u.s. history, senator hatch has represented the state of utah with disstanks. ann and i wish senator orrin hatch and his wife elaine all the best in their future endeavors. question about hatch, garrett. i know the president didn't want him to resign. and he has really embraced
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donald trump in a way that was unexpected n a way that surprised a lot of folks, saying that he loved him, the other day, after the tax cut was passed. why did he decide to resign? i know there is thought maybe he would stick of the out another term? >> he's not resigning. he is going to finish his term. he is not running for re-election. the single biggest factor according to hatch himself and people close to him has been his family. he is 83 years old. he is gone most of the time here in washington. his wife elaine has wanted him to be at home. his family, his grandkids, have wanted him to be at home. getting this tax bill done -- remember, hatch is the chairman of the finance committee in the senate, one of the individuals most involved in putting this together. getting this done was sort of a feather in his cap here at the ends of a very long career. if you go back and listen to that speech he gave at the white house, the one you are referring to when he talked about loving
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this president it has a very val kick tory feel to it, that this was a capstone to this long career. i think it made it easier to make that decision which so many senators, even those at his age have a hard time making to walk away from a place where they have this power, this prestige and this opportunity to serve their constituents. now you see hatch deciding this is the time. it's worth noting he said when he ran for this term it would be his last. and only recently said he was going to run for re-election until he was not. apparently over the holidays he decide this was the right time to decide he was not. >> up next, president trump started the new year with several significant foreign policy challenges. we'll take a closer look at it all after the break.
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we have news there could be another north korean missile test soon. for more, i want to bring in hans nichols who is following the developments. what is the latest. >> reporter: it's somewhere between expecting and anticipating some sort of nuke -- i shouldn't say nuclear. excuse me. some sort of ballistic missile test from north korea. we are seeing things,
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intelligence officials here are looking at things being moved around, equipment being moved around the north korea. it's consistent can what they have seen in the past. you take the message from the pentagon today, overlay that from what we heard from ambassador hayley of the united nations saying they could also potentially be expecting some sort of test. there is clarity there. but where there isn't clarity is what the white house or administration is saying. i didn't hear a lot of clarity in the press conference. i think that's challenge of the white house in the next 24 or 48 hours. some officials are saying this test could be as early as mid-week. let me clarify again because i misspoke at the top. this would be a ballistic missile test. that's the intelligence they are seeing. i don't have any reporting on a nuclear test. >> certainly that time line is
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close. the middle of this week. that's tomorrow, right. >> it could be tomorrow, could be thursday. the other official said in the short-term. the horizons on this, given the fuel they use for icbm search and seizure a liquid fuel. sims they see the fueling being filled up. they see him prepping military sites for a launch. typically in the past that's the kind of movement, activity they have seen that has given them the confidence to let us know in the press and give us an indication this may be happening. >> hans nichols in the pentagon thank you very much. joining me now, michael to youly, anthony rogerio, he was an advise or to the u.s. allegation of the 2005 rounds of the six party talks. and catherine rampela.
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welcome. if delegations from north korea and south korea do meet -- i say if because it's unknown what another missile test could do for any talks even if it's about only the winter olympics, but if they do meet what could come of it? >> nothing could come of it. last time they talked the talks fell apart because the north thought the south should be sending basically fancier people to meet with them. there is a lot of animosity to get past. if they do start talking it could go in a lot of different directions. i think, you know, the historical norm has focused on thing like low-level economic exchange, cultural exchanges, or trading prisoners or that sort of thing to try to get a dialogue going, try to get trust going. i don't think you are going to see some summit that quickly
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leads deeply into the question of the nuclear arsenal, denuclearization. i think it likely would be a modest first step if they can even get things rolling which is a question mark given recent history. >> if they do do a test this week, does that throw a wrench into even having these talks, anthony? >> i think so. i think the north koreans were clear in their new year's address. i think a lot of people want to focus on the alleged overture to south korea. but earlier in the speech they said not only do we have nuclear weapons, but we are going to build more of them, do more tests, we have more missiles that we are going to build. essentially, north korea said we have a gun to your head, south korea, and you need to stop military exercises with the united states and basically capitulate to north korea. north korea said several times reunification. they didn't mention reunification because they want a democratic process, they want
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to take over south korea for a unified peninsula. i think president moon needs to be careful about the talks he wants to have with the president of north korea. >> there is a lot of concern about safety of the people at the olympics coming up in about a nonand a half and whether or not a north korean team would basically ensure the safety of the olympics, ensure that nothing would happen. if north korea does have talks, and south korea does have talks with north korea, are they effectively trying to put a wedge between the u.s. and not only south korea and china? >> it certainly seems that way. i mean what kim did was actually clever in a sense. he essentially threatened nuclear war with the united states while simultaneously offering an olive branch to our al aye, south korea. the question is, what does south korea do in this situation? remember, the united states said as a precondition for reopening diplomatic relations which
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haven't been on the table for the last years, north korea had to meet certain preconditions which according to the u.s. they have not met. so does the united states say you know what, we are happy that tensions may be easing between north korea and south korea, let it go forward? or does the united states get fixated as donald trump in particular who likes tough talk and things like that, does he get fixated on the idea that no we hold firm and we are going to dictate the terms under which anybody does come back to the table? so yes it does seem like him -- [ audio problems ] >> what does the united states do? >> you know, my guess is that
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the united states continues to talk tough. at the same time we so little information about what is going none the north, what the north is thinking, what they might be willing to offer that i think the white house might welcome an opportunity to get some intelligence via the south, to have the south go, sound them out a little bit. the trump administration can pretend not to approve of it, to say it is a waste of time. president trump himself called talking to the north a waste of time. i think at the same time there is eagerness to get a sense of what is kim really thinking, what might he be willing to offer, what terms might he be willing to talk on. that might be an opportunity to get that without trump losing face in the macho stand off we are in. >> you can't mention this without talking about china. what sort of leverage do we have on china to get them to put more pressure on north korea despite a potential for some sort of olive branch from that country,
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or some sort of at least faux olive branch from that country? >> chinese companies and chinese banks with fatal tate iing nort korean sanctions of asia. this is a diplomat policy failure here in the united states unfortunately on north korea. this administration deserves credit for being the first to really go after chinese companies and a small chinese bank. what they need to do is continue that maximum pressure effort. i agree, tell the south korean president meet with the north koreans, see what they have to say. but if we are going to believe them they are having an overture to south korea we have to believe them when they say they are not ready to kmit to denuclearization. that's really the only condition. if north korea is not ready to do that then you are not really going to have negotiations with them over their nuclear program. >> michael crowley, anthony rogerio, and catherine rampel.
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the your asia group has outlined what they believe to be the biggest geopolitical risks of 2018. cyber attacks and protectionism make the list. but perhaps more pressing are north korea and iran. with me now is ian bremmer, foreign policy expert and president of the your asia group. a lot of us who wake up to your notes, your briefing, were a little taken aback this morning. a little nervous. you lay out 2018 in a dark way. >> i do, that's bhaus because i'm not focused on the economics which thankfully look good. global growth, the markets, all the rest of it. but if you look at the geopolitics it is obvious it is as bad as it was in 2008. and unlike the economic recession he we knew we needed to do something to get out of it, here the united states has no interest in providing
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solutions. we are telling others you need to pay your fair share. america first it affects the world. if you look at our policy in north korea, it's an america first policy. south koreans are saying we may want to talk aboutw the north koreans. the u.s. is saying we may want to hit these guys before it is a massive problem. >> how do you get the people in the united states to care? we have a president who ran on not getting involved in the world and not care being what the world cares about, caring only about what america cares about, again, america first. is this going to bleed over that will affect anybody materially here in the u.s., safety wise, i don't know, that will make people wake up and go gosh we have to be involved in order to
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maintain stability around the world. >> president trump won in large part because a lot of americans, middle and working class felt that things like american leadership on trade, american leadership on security, american promotion of democracy were hollow words promoted by a pro globalist establishment that did nothing for them. the fact that that leadership also helped to ensure stability and prosperity globally over the long term, we are americans, we don't do long term. we do short-term markets, china does long term. xi jinping is thinking long term legacy. donald trump is thinking about his legacy. >> what are you looking at specifically right now in the new year? >> the first big thing i am looking at is because the united states is being seen as advisory board kating allies or more uncertain that creates a lot of
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room for china, tickly xi jinping, the strongest leaders they had since mao, that means china's willingness to write checks, the willingness to say oh, you don't want to be in paris climate accord? we will. it will affect global trade, global economy and ultimately affect the american dollar as well. also, accidents. because we are not prepared to take a leadership role, rogue states and non-state actors -- whether it is assad or the iranian supreme leader or kim jong-un in north korea or whether it's al qaeda or cyber terrorists, they have more space to operate. and the potential for that to escalate and lead to confrontation is a hell of a lot higher than any point sense i started the firm back in 1998. that's unnerving. it's precisely the fact when you have an economic recession if you respond to it you try to get out of it.
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if you don't sons to a geopolitical situation, it's likely to get great. how much longer do you think that absent fixing any of this that luck is going to hold? i am concerned about that. i think that's the reason why people when they read this report had under spiedy sense tingle. i think we all know this to be true. >> what happens at the eu? >> very little. the fact that the uk is leaving and it's causing very significant problems for their own economic and they have a weak political leader right now shows a lot of your europeans -- >> do they definitely go with brexit? >> the people opposing brexit, blare, brown, miliband, are people that aren't in power anymore. it's like john mccain opposing trumpism or jeff flake of it's easy to be politically courageous when it doesn't matter to you anymore. it's happening in the uk. the citizens get a raw deal but
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that's nothing new. >> iran, do the protests fade away or metastasize. >> either fade away or get pressed felgtively. these are thousands of people. they don't have a leader, they are not based in tehran. in 2009 they had the possibility of breaking the regime. this is a very different story. >> ian bremmer, good to see you. we appreciate it. shops in california are hanging signs declaring prohibition is over. the state is now the world's largest legal marijuana marketplace. now new retail remembers looking for ways to cash in. california pot is expected to become a $7 billion, billion with a b dollar market by 2020 according to a cannabis market research group. jacob soboroff who gets all of the good assignments is following up a of this out of west hollywood, california. day one of recreational sales here in west hollywood,
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los angeles. the line goes all the way down, across the other side of santa monica boulevard along the street here into this dispensary. they say it is a one of the biggest medcal dispensaries in all of california. they are gearing up today to turn to recreational marijuana. all you have got to do when you come in here, katy is give your driver's license to these folks right here and you are able to walk in and buy whatever products you want. the big thing people are thinking about here katy, this is going to be a enormous bus, who it's going to profit and how many will survive in the economy, take a look, this is how marge has traditionally been grown in california. >> big ones in here. >> reporter: illegally, and in secret. >> this is typical of organized crime. >> reporter: the state's nearly $6 billion marijuana black market isn't going away any time soon, because it supplies up to 80% of america's illegal weed.
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but recreational legalizations created a pot gold rush in california. >> this is definitely the one you are looking for. >> reporter: officials and investors hope california's $2 billion medical pot industry will expand quickly and put the black market out of business. researchers say legal pot could be worth as much as $5 billion this year. california's biggest medical dispensary chain with five locations intends to expand statewide. can you see more locations like this throughout the state. >> absolutely. every corner. >> reporter: they expect their clientele to quadruple by banking on customers wanting to know exactly what they are getting. >> when you walk into a restaurant and you get nutritional information that's the idea. if you are going to have marijuana be legal in this country, that's the only way this is going to work. the difference between the guy who sells pot to you on the street corner in a baggie and a store like this is exactly this.
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you want that information. >> reporter: that's also true of the fastest growing segment of the medical cannabis industry, vape pens. >> i don't have to know what strain is in any of these. they tell me exactly what i'm getting, which is really smart. >> reporter: which do you like the most? >> my favorite is the bliss. >> reporter: you get the most faded. >> yeah. >> reporter: when cypress hill was founded there was no vape pens. >> it was at that boo. there was people going to jail with mere possession. obviously as stoners we didn't think that was right and we didn't want that happening to us. and there was a lot of propaganda against the cannabis culture at that point of the we have helped to tear that down. >> reporter: what do you think of how far things have come? >> it's extraordinary. >> reporter: eight years ago he
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founded be real tv an online network devoted to music and cannabis. >> fortunately it caught for us. in the beginning we had to make calls and say, hey, can so-and-so come down and do an interview with us? >> reporter: how people want to be booked on the show. >> want to be booked and now people call us. >> reporter: the most popular show on be real tv is the smoke box, where they smoke marijuana in be real's car. >> are we goek going to smoke the whole. >> smoke up the whole car. >> reporter: do you think it's going to be a stop on the movie promoting circuit and politicians are going to want to stop buy? >> i would hope so. >> reporter: who is your dream smoke box? >> obviously to have obama in there. >> reporter: obama. >> i don't know if obama could hang in will. >> reporter: still too at that boo? >> who knows.
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these days i think everything is up for grabs. when you look at who is president right now, i mean you can't put anything past anything. >> reporter: i don't think he or jeff sessions will be sitting in the smoke box. >> no. that would be awesome, though, because i would get them so hammered. >> reporter: katy, all these folks are in line to check out and the pay for their newly legal marijuana f. they want to sample it all they have to do is come here open up this window, smell that legal cannabis and pick out whatever they want. katy, when you come home to l.a. you will have that opportunity, too. >> thanks jacob. behind this is licensing regulation and establishing pot shops is lengthy and complicated process. there are still some kinks to be worked out particularly in large cities like los angeles and san francisco, which are still working out how they will issue
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licenses to pot shops. for more i'm joined by alex traverso, spokesman for the california bureau of cannabis control. alex welcome, thank you for being here. what does this mean for medical marijuana? >> medical marijuana is going to continue as it's been operating just with state rules in place. now we add recreational cannabis to the fold as well. >> you said state rules. what rules? >> we have a regulatory system in california. whereas before marijuana has been illegal for 20 years, and now everyone wants to have a license. >> how is it going so far? >> it's been quiet. i hope that means it's going well. two blocks away from where i'm
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sitting there is a dispensary. and there was a line out the door. >> what about the critics who say this is opening up the door for worse drugs, that medical -- but marijuana in general is a gateway drug, and how dare california legalize it, how dare you allow people to get high, and it's going to cause all sorts of problems not only with gateway drugs but also take it on the streets. what is it going to cause for traffic violations? are people going to die because of this? that sort of thing? >> luckily in california we have a number of agencies all working together. we have been in coordination for some time. this is the culmination of two year's effort to get to this point where we were able to go live with the new system. we have been working with law enforcement groups, state agencies that worked on public education campaigns to let people know about the effects of cannabis. and it's incumbent upon us to put forth a strong regulatory system and the really safeguard
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the industry. that's what we feel like we've done. one day is not going to tell you a whole lot but i think within the first three months of this year i think we are going to be able to pick up data and see what is working and what's not. we have looked at a lot of other states that have come down the path before california. i think this is one of those times where it benefits california to not be the first one out of the gate because you can learn from the experiences of the others that have come before news an evolving system. alex traverso, spokes person for the california bureau of cannabis control, thanks to you. up next, rikers island prison is shutting down starting this summer. after the break i will be joined by a brother of a young man kept at rikers for three years without a trial because he couldn't afford his bail. we will get into brutality behind the walls of what has been called one of america's worst prisons. 3-month old business... plus...what if this happened again?
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new york city officials announce plans to install -- $50 million to start its initiative. this comes three months after terrorists in a rented pick-up truck drove into pedestrians in lower manhattan killing eight people. they are officially starting the process to shut down the nation's most notorious prison complexes.
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he was finally released from jail in may 2013 when he was 20 years old. but he was tortured by his experience in the prison. in a six-part documentary, browder detailed the depression and paranoia he battled with
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after his return to daily life. >> i had this paranoid delusion. i just felt like everybody was watching me and trying to put me back in jail. zp >> he went off about people on facebook that were not real. >> i was talking to people on facebook thinking they were real and they were not real. >> some days, he would question who i was. he would say, i know who you are. you're working with the fbi and i'm like what are you talking about? >> so he's saying i know you who you are. >> i didn't notice it at first, but i believe honestly they are cops. >> on june 6, 2015, he committed suicide at his apartment in the bronx. he was 26 years old.
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>> i think it's a great start. it should not take tragedies to happen for anyone to city to final acknowledge that they need to close down these institutions. i don't want the thought of closing down these institutions to overshadow why we're closing down his institutions. why are we holding the officers, the security guards to account for what goes on inside these institutions. it also starts with acknowledging that these are the wrong things that are happening in the institutions and not just focusing on closing down the institutions but fixing and changing what's happening within them. because once we close them down, what happens then? >> when you look at prison reform, what do you think needs to be done? >> i think we need to start
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looking into -- i think we need to really dive deep into the information, like what happens inside these prisons, what we need to dispatch more people into these prison systems and really, really analyze what's going on and start to change around start to really talk about why is this happening? what can we do to prevent this in the future? we don't need to disburse these security guards that were in these institutions into other jails. but do our research and find better solutions to fix our broken system. >> i think when people sit down and watch this documentary and realize, that he was brought in for allegedly stealing with backpack and was allowed to languish in prison for three years because his family couldn't come up with the bail
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money. how you can sit in prison for three years and not get a trial is shocking. how frequently does stuff like that happen? is that an anomaly or is this happening at prisons all over the country? >> i believe this is happening at prisons all over the country, but this shined a really big light on what's happening that's invisible to the eye. we're not reaching out to enough communities to find out what we can do better. i think the document opened the door and now we need to walk through it and start fixing it. >> what do you say to people who say, it's prison, it's not supposed to be a pleasant place, it's a place where people go and do time for crimes they were committed. obviously with kaliff, he was there for a crime he obviously didn't commit. but what about folks who say that prison shouldn't be nice,
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it shouldn't be easy, we shouldn't be talking about punishment. >> what if you were there for stealing a backpack and you know you're innocent and now you're going into this institution and being treated really badly. when it comes to those kinds of people, once they're there in that hot seat, they can see a different light. i think when you're not in that same position as those who are there right now, and the majority of them are innocent, most of them are innocent there, and maybe accused of things as my brother was, but once people start to really see what goes on in the system, i think people will have changes of heart. once they're in that situation, i think a door opens for them. >> deion, thank you very much for joining us, we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> happy new year. >> happy new year to you. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell has issued a statement
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on the retirement of utah senator oren hatch. he will depart as one of the most productive members ever to serve in this body. but even more than what oren did, his colleagues will rep how he did it. senator hatch who's 83 years old, is the longest serve republicing republican senator. >> that will do it for me, i will see you right back here tomorrow at 2:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow. i have missed this, and i know you have missed this, "deadline white house" starts right now. hi, everyone, it's 4:00 in new york. happy new year, no new year, new me moment for donald trump, he started 2018, the same way he ended 2017, taking to twitter to air his authoritarian sounding wishes for his former political
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opponents. he said crooked hillary's hop today huma abedin has been accused of violating basic security protocols. remember sailors pictures on submarine? jail! exclamation point. the deep state slam garnering attention from one of the most conservative legal minds in the country. former assistant attorney general under george w. bush, jack goldsmith who responded, quote, that would be the deep state justice department run by real donald trump appointees, jeff sessions, rod rosenstein and chris wr aray. here's sarah huckabee sanders talking today. >> what did the president mean when he said the deep state justice department? and does this administration believe that the deep state is a real thing, that there is this show


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