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there it is right there. but it was a false alarm. the hawaii governor's office confirms that someone hit the wrong message. here's how our affiliate explained what happened. >> there's a daily procedure involving three people who hand off control of a certain area to three other people. and as part of that procedure, there's a test that's run to send out the alert. in this case, one of the people involved pressed the wrong button. that's it. >> joining us right now msnbc news correspondent, what's the latest from what you're hearing at the pentagon? >> they're still trying to assess and what happened in those protocols. we have this local report who says the system was falsely notified and that sent out this text that alarmed everyone.
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inside the pentagon there are a variety of procedures, protocols to make sure they're absolutely certain about this. when there's a launch from north korea, within minutes, richard, they know the direction of that missile and it's usually within those initial minutes and that boost stage they make a determination whether or not to shoot it down. now, so far they haven't. they have never tried to intercept an incoming missile from north korea or from any other country. most of the intercepts, all of the intercepts we've had have been from tests but it's usually in that initial phase that the north com figure out and defend the homeland. they're based in colorado. they see something whether it's radar, they have intelligence to know there's been a launch. they figure out its direction. they make that determination in the initial stage whether or not to shoot it down. the ones that have gone those high lofts that we've seen as late as november from the north koreans they knew pretty quickly they were not a threat to the homeland.
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so in the statements and the readouts we get from pentagon officials it's that they determined this missile wasn't a threat and because it wasn't a threat, they didn't shoot it down. this of course is an entirely different category and this has to do with the notification system if something does slip through. >> and do we know in terms of at what point and who notifies the ema, the emergency management alarm system here? >> it would be pacific command. so within hawaii you have -- you have north com, now called norad used to be -- now it's called north com. you have you have a lot of overlapping jurisdictions. but it's usually pacific command. headed by a four star general out there in hawaii. it's his area of responsibility, his aor. it's his mandate. >> all right. stand by, i know we'll be getting back to you throughout this hour.
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i'm going to bring in hawaii democratic senator on the phone right now. you heard what he was telling us. what do you know and do you react to his reporting as well. >> well, this is totally unacceptable. we're obviously relieved to know that it's a false alarm. i'm home in honolulu. i was going about my business about to leave for a speaking engagement and my wife and kids were on their way to the dentist and then my phone just started blowing up and then i began to try to figure out what was going on. well, we know now is there was a human error. what we know now also is that the general received the same text push alert that you know, most people received on their phones, immediately called the pacific command and immediately was able to confirm that there was in fact, not a missile coming towards hawaii. now, the question i have is why then did it take 38 minutes for the state government to get the word out that there was not a missile coming to hawaii?
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people were across the state absolutely terrified. some shelters in place, some trying to collect their loved ones, businesses shuttering, kids -- i know of a bunch of kids who were asked to shuffle into the locker room at their school. this was an abomination. this did not work. this was a failure of planning and so we're looking for some quick and aggressive accountability in terms of how all of these screw ups happened, but more importantly, we need an emergency notification system that the people of hawaii can rely on 100% of the time and this undermines our ability to notify the public if in case we're in a worst case scenario situation. >> senator, as you look at the very emergency alert itself, are those prewritten? are there a set of one -- let's
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say through ten messages that are ready in the system that based on what they hear from various institutions of our government, pacific command potentially in this case, then are implemented. is this message -- is it preloaded? >> it looks that way. you know, part of what i'm demanding is a deeper understanding of this process, which is run by state government and the hawaii emergency management agency. but i have to tell you that the alert itself, even if it were not in error, was not particularly informative. it didn't even tell people what they ought to be doing. so listen, we just started this notification process -- or excuse me, this sort of planning process and alert system. >> right. >> they don't have it right and i have to tell you i'm a normally keep my cool pretty well. >> right. >> there is making me angry. members of my family were terrified. a million and a half people across the state of hawaii were
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terrified and it was absolutely unnecessary. >> senator, we've spoken before. you are known as a cool cucumber. also cool cucumber in a very difficult situation as our own jac jacob soboroff was reporting on these m systems and what do you got? >> if i could ask the senator a question. i'm here on hawaii as well on oahu and yesterday i was within that bunker. where emergency management and civil defense is head quartered. it was actually in the room where the call would come from from the pacific command in the event of a detected missile launch. your point is very well taken that this took 38 minutes. that's double the amount of time a miss all would take to travel from north korea to here on the islands of hawaii. are you comfortable? are you confident in having that button in the hands of civil defense on a state agency, rather than the federal government, u.s. pacific command and the u.s. military, should they be the ones to send out this alert because now the
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governor has confirmed this was a human error and it was a human error at thend has of the state government of civil defense. >> senator, were you able to hear that question? senator schatz can you hear me? the senator schatz are you still with us? >> it sounds like we lost the senator. but i guess the point i'd like to make, richard, is that this is a state agency that sent out this alert. it didn't come from the u.s. military where we're going to turn around some exclusive footage from within the room. we were in the room yesterday, richard, where this alert was sent out. i'm here on assignment with nbc left field our digital video unit and we were looking at what happens in the event of a nuclear attack on hawaii. civil defense estimates that only 10% of people god forbid would perish here. 90% of the people would survive and this system is set up in order to make sure people shelter in place, stay in place
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and then stay tuned for alerts from that civil defense agency. what happened here was a massive breakdown. a massive human error that was confirmed by the governor's office that literally someone in the room where the button to be pressed in the event the pacific command alerts the state of an inbound missile, someone pushed that button accidentally and that went out to like the senator said hundreds of thousands if not over a million people here on the islands of hawaii. a very critical potentially catastrophic error that was made by the state agency here. >> very seldom, jacob, do we get a sense of what happens within pacific command. you were saying you were in there reporting on this story. what was your sense of how the process would work? did you get a sense that it was very well structured, that the steps were very clearly delineated? >> reporter: well, i want to be really clear first of all, richard, that where i was yesterday was not pacific
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command but it was the hawaii emergency management agency. they call it civil defense and they're head quartered within a early 1900s era bunker. that's diamond head crater. that's where this alert was sent from. what happens is, if the u.s. military detects as we've been hearing from our colleagues, if what happens is the u.s. government and the military detects an incoming ballistic missile they're going to pick up the phone and notify people that are sitting within this room 24 hours a day, 7 days a week that they need to alert the citizens of hawaii to shelter in place. that they've got less than 20 minutes, probably less than ten minutes before a ballistic missile were to hit the islands of hawaii. that's not what happened today by all indications. we're now hearing confirmation from the governor's office. governor communications director confirmed that the message was sent due to a human error.
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someone literally pressed the wrong message. they've been drilling here. they've got sirens throughout the islands of hawaii to let people know if indeed an official alert comes to the state agency that is tasked with notifying everybody. what happened is basically the state agency notified everybody in error. there was no message from the u.s. military that a missile was detected and was inbound. people are already on edge here. you can imagine what it was like for people to get that text message on their cell phones. >> yeah, those who are in hawaii, those who are from the very state often feel like they're away from if you will, the back and forth that is part of the north korean discussion, but boy, today they got a message very early this morning at 8:00 a.m. brian schatz, senator from hawaii, we have re-established connection. what jacob was asking you when he lost connection he was intimating that very point again here, senator. is the state agency the right
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organization to be responsible for putting out these emergency alerts? should it be in the hands of a different agency, federal or otherwise? >> i think it's a very good question. i don't know the answer to that. and i want to make sure we don't rush into a new process. i think one of the reasons that we had this terrifying scare is because they rushed into a new process. they wanted to be responsive to the increased threat of ballistic missiles coming across the pacific from -- from north korea and they set up a process, but they went too fast. they did not articulate it fully. they didn't have proper oversight and they don't know how to communicate with the public. so i don't want to make the same mistake again and rush into, you know, putting this at pay com or missile defense agency. generally speaking, civil defense preparedness, disaster preparation, whether it's man
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made or natural disasters is a local responsibility and i think it will continue to be a local responsibility. what i'm looking for is some accountability at the state government level to understand who made what mistakes, what processes need to change, and then the most egregious of owl after the problems is that ern when the general talked to pacific command and confirmed that there was no missile coming our way, everybody in hawaii waited between 30 and 40 minutes to get that word. in the social media era, once the general speaks to the pacific commander and it's confirmed that we are not in danger, that should be on twitter almost instantaneously. >> senator, jacob has another question for you but i have a quick one for you first and that is what sort of role did you play in the last two or three months in the development, if you will, of the revving up again of this warning system, senator? >> this was a state decision.
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my advice to the governor at the time was to be deliberate about this and make sure we do not cause undue alarm. you know, this is really state responsibility. my oversight responsibility extends to the pacific missile range and the joint base of pearl harbor, but to the ex- tend i offered him my views i told him to measure twice and cut once. >> senator, jacob soboroff who's in honolulu as you know has a question for you. jacob. >> reporter: i was mentioning to you earlier. i don't know if you heard it because of our connection that i was inside that room within the bunker at diamond head yesterday. i was with the administrator of hawaii's civil defense. you'll have to forgive the helicopter noise here, but what happens here is pacific command picks up the phone, they'll call and notify civil defense of an incoming missile. that obviously didn't happen today and somebody literally pushed the wrong button.
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i know that we haven't had a chance to do an after reaction report. what's the first question you would want to ask civil defense about what happened today? this is an error that happened on their turf so to speak. >> well, i think there are two basic questions procedurally. i think there's a peronnel and accountability question that is relatively straightforward. who made what errors and what are the accountability measures there but in terms of process it seems to me the first question is why is there only one person in a position to make the most massive clerical error of their life without any oversight at all. now, i heard civil defense officials say well, we need to be able -- we don't want too much process because of course if we do need to notify the public we need to do so quickly. my view is to have a layer of oversight to have one person either a pacom or maybe the general, him or herself to be able to confirm before a push
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alert gets sent out saying this is not a test. that's not too much process. that wouldn't slow us down by much more than a minute or two, and it's very much worth being able to look everybody in the eye and say when we tell you it's a test or when we tell you it's not a test, you can rely on that information. and then the second question i have is why if the general knew that we were safe, why did it take about a half an hour, a little more than a half an hour for the public to be informed? that is absolutely inexcusable and i just can't underscore enough how much pain people went through, you know, people collecting their families, people in tears, people trying to locate their loved ones. everybody texting everybody trying to figure out what in the world was going on. that's real anxiety about a nuclear attack and we went
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through a half hour -- i mean, the clerical error is a clerical error and that's also inexcusable but to allow it to linger for that amount of time is just an abomination. >> we're now about three hours and 15 minutes past that incident. >> reporter: if i could jump in about that. >> go ahead, jacob. >> reporter: the senator just asked an extraordinary important -- the senator has an extraordinarily important point there. 38 minutes is double the amount of time that it would take for a ballistic missile to get from north korea to the hawaiian islands. the fact that there was no update, no second alert to say this was a false alarm struck fear into the hearts i can only imagine of the million plus people on the islands of hawaii. one quick last question for you, senator. you know, you've been drilling -- they've been drilling on the islands on the first of every month with that siren system that was a throwback to the cold war. it hasn't been used in decades. do you think those tests should continue or now, you know, is there the fear that you could
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have the boy who cried wolf type scenario out here on the islands of hawaii, one of the closest targets to north korea as far as the united states is concerned. >> thanks for that question. first it's the island of oahu, not the island of hawaii. >> thank you. excuse me. >> we're on oahu. second, you know, should we continue these tests? you know, my view is not -- excuse me, the alerts monthly, not until we've got a process that everybody can rely upon, and you know, we're coming up on the beginning of another month. i think we should wait and get our house in order before we start running those alarms again. >> senator brian schatz from hawaii. sir, thank you so much for giving us the very latest information there as you are in hawaii right now and what you've learned so far and your suggestions moving forward. all americans hope this does not happen again. hawaii, that second state back from the first state rather in
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terms of proximity to north korea and the concern that we have of course, 20 minutes as jacob soboroff so well put for us is the amount of time it would take a missile to reach hawaii from north korea. senator brian schatz, thank you, sir and have a very peaceful, we hope, morning and afternoon going forward as you try to determine what happened. we're going to continue our breaking coverage right now following what has happened in the state of hawaii with that energy alert you see on the right. the white house and the president monitoring this. we'll get reaction on that after this.
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it has been a very stressful morning for citizens in hawaii as they were worried about a missile heading their way from north korea and that set off a lot of bells and whistles at the white house. kelly o'donnell is there with the president and what do we know in terms of what they heard and how they may have reacted? >> reporter: well, the president was briefed on this issue but as it played out in real time because especially the time difference president trump had traveled from mar-a-lago where he and the family are spending the long holiday weekend to one of the trump golf courses in the area. the president was on the golf course, we're told he played golf today. he also had a meeting on trade and issues like nafta.
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so as that was unfolding and we first got the alerts that were bringing about a lot of anxiety for those in hawaii and those on the mainland with loved ones there and that sort of -- kind of cyber anxiety spread, we reached out of course to the white house right away trying to find out. now, typically when something is a federally driven issue, they may know about it before we ever have any idea. there was some lag time before we got a response from the white house. in fairness to them they're trying to assess what is going on. we then heard from a couple of different officials who told us about this notion of it being a false alarm in a state controlled drill. what's unclear now is what type of drill it was or was not or was it simply the false -- or a human error that played out with such huge repercussions. so we have not heard any statement in the voice of the president about what this means in terms of preparedness or
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planning or some of the larger issues, so it's really more of a case that richard, you and i have talked about with all kinds of different contexts, different settings where it's about the president's been briefed, here's the response. that's kind of what we saw today. the fact that as far as we know right now this is a state based issue, the oversight from the federal government or the burden of responsibility may be different, we were at first referred to the department of defense. we talked about how pacom is located there and they would have some interaction so more details need to be sorted out. the governor of hawaii will do his own sort of after action report to get a better assessment so we don't have any expectation that the white house will say more today. in fact, we've been given what's known as a travel photo, so we don't expect any events from the president today. i was with the president in hawaii in november when he traveled there to pay his respects at pearl harbor and also to meet officials from the
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pacific command and issues related to threats and concerns from all of the tension between north korea, the united states and south korea certainly was playing out. so this issue, the kind of alert is certainly a high priority. details from the white house, those have been few to come today. >> nbc white house correspondent with the very latest for us. thank you so much, kelly. let's bring in democratic congressman of michigan. thank you so much, representative for being with us today. you have visited that which kelly o'donnell was referring to pacom. you have been inside that facility. you also did visit the korean peninsula after one of the recent missile tests. let me get your reaction first to this emergency alert going out. the error that indeed did happen, and that gap before they were able to figure out there was an error and notify hawaiians and other americans throughout the country, at least
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15 minutes later. >> well, it's deeply concerning. just a few months ago i was there at pacom. office in south korea just about one of one of those missiles had gone through. so the tension is very high. and you know, mistakes do happen. obviously what we need to know is how this mistake occurred and what sort of steps can be taken to prevent this from ever taking place again. but i think it's also important while the federal government was not responsible for the error, it's important to take this moment to remind ourselves how important it is to not escalate tensions. and to not put ourselves in the position where god forbid another mistake or something like this would occur and there would be a response based on heightened tensions that maybe are precipitated by comments by this president that could cause something to take place, a dangerous situation to be far worse than it should.
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i hope that if the president takes anything from this, number one it's that we correct the mistake, but secondly, that he think about how close we can be to something really bad going on, something really dangerous taking place, and rather than escalating tensions between these countries, don't use language that escalates tension. try to let me mitigate that tension. try to keep us as far away a mistake like this turning into something far, far worse. >> this of course brought up a lot of memories unfortunate ones from the cold war in the 1980s and those drills that so many people were undertaking both young and older people and as you see the time line, it is -- we're getting the details in so far in terms of when the emergency alert came out, when it was reversed, which was basically within the amount of time it takes a missile to reach hawaii. that's 20 minutes by estimation and then the reversal. do you have confidence in the
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system that based on what we know today that is supposed to warn americans? >> well, when you see something like this take place, it sort of shakes our confidence and i'm hopeful that there will be a very close look at the systems that are in place and the -- and hopefully establish protocols that would not create a condition where one person making one single mistake could end up putting this alert out and cause a whole population to panic. you know, i really -- i really feel for the people of hawaii. they've already been anxious about this situation, concerned because they are so close and then to have something like this take place just because of a single human error really begs the question as to whether there ought to be more serious safeguards that would not allow an alert to go out just by one individual pushing a single button. >> right. and so then the question that's been begged here, representative is who should be responsible for hitting at least when it comes
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to emergency alerts that are connected with our mobile phones, who should be responsible for that? should it be on the state side? should it be local? >> well, it does strike me that while we have civil defense, really for the most part lowi d localized and under state control this is really about our national defense and you have incredible capacity if you're speaking specifically about the island of oahu. you have incredible capacity with pacom. they have all the information. they have information to tracking data and it seems to me there ought to be a conversation whether these types of alerts should be under civilian civil defense or whether it ought to be part of our national security infrastructure. >> we know the state of hawaii, the closest to north korea, the
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farthest, how the conversation's gone in terms of preparedness, not only for the state of hawaii but also for the west coast of the united states and alaska. >> there's a great deal of concern because we have this new threat and i think as i said before, i think step one is to make sure that, you know, we tamp down the threat and release -- or minimize as much of the anxiety as we can by not putting ourselves in a position where we have a president who is essentially taunting a nation that has the ability ability to potentially threaten us. >> do you think the north korea/south korea talks are moving toward that very direction you're suggesting. >> that's the hope. i've had some conversations with south korean military leadership, and you know, they have expressed some concern, to make sure that when it comes to the discussions between the north koreans and south korea that the united states play a supportive role and not exacerbate an already tense
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situation. this is one example of why it's important that we hear that lesson. >> and of course you and i are talking about those recent talks historic talks between north koreans and south koreans in recent days which so many people are hopeful about. we'll see what happens from that. thank you so much, sir. it's representative dan kilde but you are well versed in the topic from the great state of michigan. we'll take a short break. we'll continue on this story coming out of hawaii as well as politics coming out of washington, d.c. your brain changes as you get older. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. the name to remember.
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it's my responsibility so this would be my fault. the whole purpose of this at the change of shift briefing is for each shift to understand what is the process. we'll take action to prevent this from ever happening again by having more than one person here. but let me finish the investigation. this is my fault and we'll work on making sure this doesn't ever happen again. >> the head of -- >> i'm the administer of the emergency management agency. >> were you here when it happened? >> this is designed so we don't
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have to be here if it happens. we don't want people calling us to get permission when we have such a short time limit. this is regrettable. it won't happen again, the credibility of this alarm going off is critical for us saving lives so we'll take action to make sure this doesn't happen again. >> right there, you heard from the hawaii, again, the hawaii -- who's responsible for the emergency management agency. he apologized and said they made a mistake and also this video in to us at the university of hawaii. a very large university. you see individuals running what we believe to be right after the alert went out. this on a saturday morning at 8:05 a.m. local time from our affiliate khnl and this video coming in of residents, students there administrators, faculty potentially at the university of hawaii, running after the alert
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went out. this about a ballistic missile threat that was inbound. they most likely got the news over their mobile phones. you've heard it before. it's a loud buzz, you then look down on your phone and then they saw that warning. again, that a ballistic missile threat was inbound, take cover and that is what they were doing there. and what we were also just showing you as we were coming back from break is again, the hawaii emergency management agency, the head, the administrator, vern miagi saying it was his fault personally. taking responsibility. we don't know exactly whether or who made the decision, how the error happened specifically as his agency as this state agency worked to put out the emergency alert that did show up on thousands of phones across the state and potentially across the united states as those who may have registered phones in the state of hawaii and then 15
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minutes later, that is when the hawaii ema, again, which vern miagi is the administrator for, then sent out a tweet at 1:20 or rather 8:20 local time that said, no missile threat to hawaii. so reversing what you see on the right hand side of your screen right now, the hawaii emergency management agency then saying no missile threat to hawaii. and that's about 15 minutes later. let's bring in barry mccaffrey, nbc news analyst and contributor. general, thanks for being with us. you are in happen lieu lionolul. how did you learn about this news? >> we got a very effective push notification over iphone. a horrendous racket, a scrolled message stating it was not a drill, stating it was from pacific command. there was a much delayed response on hawaiian news tv,
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which finally put up though a scroll on tv saying the same message we're getting on our iphones. then i looked to see the reaction, i'm on a glorious resort on waikiki beach. there was almost no reaction. no sirens went off. nobody was responding. the surfers were out there. the hotel did nothing for well over 30 minutes and then it was another 5 minutes before it was in japanese also. -- clearly it's a busted play. i've seen this kind of thing happen before, richard, where you get training or test exercise message traffic, leaks out of the test and suddenly is causing alarm in a civilian audience. this was -- it was nice to see that very forthright responsible statement by the hawaiian civil
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defense chief taking responsibility, but i'm sure that's what happened. basically their routine test, they hit the live button instead of the test button. >> general, as, again, one of the commands that you -- that southern command, you are responsible for many service members, you expect precision, performance, when orders are given. there's two sides to what happened today in this mistake. one side is, if the emergency alert went out, why didn't you hear the sirens? those sirens that they've been testing over the last two months to make sure that those who are in the state of hawaii are warned? what do you make of that? >> well, sure, there's -- there's got to be a checklist there. i think we're going to discover -- by the way, they already know 90% of what happened. they're going to discover it was just a push alert button that got triggered. there must be an sop which jacob
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soboroff has done terrific coverage of this will know about which would activate many other measures. i think probably the most significant thing i learned out of this was that the delay in getting out the correct word within minutes pacific command, the military, knew they had not transmitted a missile attack alert to hawaii, and within minutes the civil defense authorities knew they'd made a terrible mistake. now, as we heard the senator correctly say at the state ag a two star general immediately gotten confirmation, there was no on going attack, why was it essentially a half hour before the citizens of this state -- of this island were taken off alert? >> yeah, and again, it's just as difficult to get the alert out as well as to the correct that alert. both seeing that delay there,
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finally general, does this give information to north korea that they would not have otherwise? >> well, yeah, i think it's -- we've seen this on bomb threats in cities and universities where people start jerking our chain, and i think the north koreans just got told, we've scared these people, you know, there's 320 million of them and they put themselves into a panic. we didn't even do anything. i think one of the best points was made though by a couple of your commentators earlier. the thing we have to worry about is miscalculation in war. and so the president's tweets and taunts to kim jong-un are irresponsible and harmful. and on the other side, what we fear is kim jong-un has learned from his father and grandfather, you can provoke us and we won't respond militarily.
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i don't think that situation is the same today. if we saw ten north korean missiles get refuelled and put into a waiting pattern a year or three from now, because right now i don't believe they have an active threat to the continental united states, but they soon will, then our problem will be do we launch on warning of a north korean attack? and the answer is, that's probably what we'd do. so miscalculation is a huge concern for the allies, japan, south korea and the united states dealing with north korea. >> right. that multiplicative effect that sits in that region of pac. the asia pacific region. all those other countries that are allies there that may react to these very pieces of information that you're talking about and the tension itself. general barry mccaffrey there in honolulu.
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thank you, sir for your perspective and expertise on what has happened here. we continue to watch some of the video that just came in to us of those at the university of hawaii. this believed to be right after that emergency alert went out. that emergency alert said take cover and individuals it looks like in this particular video are doing that very -- are doing that very activity, and then 15 minutes later said, everything is okay. a false alarm. but boy, those were a scary at least 15 minutes for folks like that. now let's bring in msnbc contributor. great to have you here. you are still an intelligence officer in the u.s. naval reserve, i understand, sir, and you have the very same concern that we were just talking about with the general here. what might this give in terms of information to those who are watching in north korea about our preparedness? >> well, my personal view here is that there's three devilevel
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concern. is first is at the state level in terms of the failure to report back to the citizens. i'm concerned about the president and his ability to sent size any information. the goal is to present information to the leader. the practical part of this, richard, is the ability to do that at mar-a-lago and look, also the question of the president's willingness to even take intelligence. but then there's a third part of this and that is, what do the north koreans and general barry mccaffrey made an excellent point here. what do the north koreans think about looking at this? they're going to have analysts translating this from english to korean and that is a scary thing. could there be a misinterpretation? is it possible they could look at this and somehow in their conclusion consider this might be a precursor to an attack and that scares me tremendously. >> you bring up a couple of variables there. there is that timeframe that it takes for officials according to
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nbc reporting, how long it takes for them to determine the trajectory of the missile, three to five minutes and then for the state of hawaii that gives them another 15 minutes to react if you're on the ground and in terms of the president himself, if he is in florida, and we heard stories before earlier of the president breaking out a laptop to share information related in fact, about north korea before, whether he has the infrastructure to operate. the reporting has been he does have the infrastructure on the ground to react to such issues of intelligence, but your perspective on all of that put together. >> let's separate that. there's a distinction between the president's ability to respond and the unfortunate world changing event that he has to launch a nuclear attack. that is very different from being in a place where he can synthesize and be presented with intelligence. we have a case here, this is a perfect example. we have a case where a state agency says a ballistic missile is inbound. no federal agency, all the list
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of other agencies don't have that information. this is a perfect example of someone sitting down saying okay, what is the truth? is there a missile incoming or is there not? does he have the ability and the intellectual curiosity to sit down and sift through that and make a decision. we still have yet to hear from the president. this has been a fairly serious event. i mean, from one level just to reassure the american public, but the second to know that the president is monitoring it. when an event like this occurs the president is going to sift through and decide what is fact and act accordingly. at the end of the day he made the right decision, but i don't get the sense that you know, i'm not sure that mar-a-lago just as a practical matter has the ability to sort of pass this type of intelligence so that the president can make that kind of decision. that really concerns me greatly. >> thank you so much. always great to have your perspective in the many roles you've taken on. one is a double agent, but being an intelligent officer in the u.s. naval reserve, certainly
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able to give us good perspective on the processing of intelligence. thank you. >> we're going to stayen otop of this right here as we now just heard within the last couple of minutes via tape from the administrator there of hawaii emergency management agency that they are taking responsibility. the head, the administrator just moments ago saying he took -- he is taking responsibility for this error that left hawaiians, people in hawaii under a lot of stress thinking a missile was coming their way for at least 15 minutes. more on the reaction and how they might fix this problem going forward. we'll look at that right after these short three minutes. dista. and you have the determination to keep going. humira has a proven track record of being prescribed for nearly 10 years. humira works inside the body to target and help block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to symptoms. in clinical trials, most adults taking humira were clear or almost clear and many saw 75% and even 90% clearance
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now to the international fall-out over the profane and some seay racist comments of president trump. top house democrats say they'll unveil a resolution next week to censure the president of the united states over his remarks. while some members of his own party are urging him to apologize. the president conceded in a tweet that he used tough language but denied using the expletive. but that has not stopped the condemnations of the president. take a listen. >> i can say now, donald trump is a racist. >> yes. >> absolutely. >> of course he is. >> i can say that now. and i hate saying it, but i can say that now. >> i think the words and his action tend to speak like one
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who knows something about being a racist. it must be in his dna. >> do you think this president is racist? >> yeah, i do. at this point, the evidence is incontrovertible. it's right there. >> let's bring in charlie savage, vanaya andrij and john harwood. start with you, john. so much has been swirling around this comment and what will happen next. and a lot of fingers are pointing to those who are leaders of the republican party there in the beltway. what will they do next? are they doing enough so far? >> well, on the evidence we've seen from the recent past, they won't do all that much and they'll hope this blows over. you've had some of the republican members in the meeting claiming they can't remember what he said. you have lindsey graham saying
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he confronted the president directly and dick durbin, his democratic colleague praising him for that. but republicans are in a mode right now of attempting to look away from things that this president is doing that embarrasses them without alienating his base by going directly at him. and it's an uncomfortable situation. right now, the early polling tells us voters don't like it very much, because republicans are in big trouble for the midterm elections in the fall. but i don't see any reason to expect a change in course right now. vanaya, as editor in chief for the haitian times, the narratives that you try to bring forward to let not only haitians around the world understand what's happening in their home country, but also the world, the perceptions you try to address those issues, and then this happens. what do you think needs to happen next? >> well, i think the most important thing for us to point out is the hypocrisy in the
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situation. this is a man who in the last year and a half, he lobbied the haitian community intensely to gain support during the election. he positioned himself as a champion for the community, someone that could really work against -- and manipulated the feelings of betrayal that the community had against the clintons and the clinton foundation. so for now a year later, for him to question the presence of the people in the same community that he gained support of during the election, it's offensive and i think right now, as a community, our goal is to change the legal status of this population of people and make sure that we get them registered to vote so they can get out the vote during the midterm elections. >> ostensibly and you're really hitting that vania, to you, charlie, they're getting together to talk about immigration, clearly about daca, and to try to find some sort of middle ground. up until that very statement was
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reported, things looked okay, right? things looked up and down, but were heading upwards, if you will. is it basically now taken off the docket as we move forward to next week, or is it even more hypersensitive than before? >> well, trump himself is saying, this is going to hurt the deal, these people criticizing me. but if there's one thing we've learned in the last year and a half it's that nothing is permanent in trump land. and a lot can happen in ten hours that make these things look like last week's kerfuffle. we've already seen judges willing to block trump administration policies that are neutral because they say, look what's coming out of this president's mouth. we've seen it with the muslim travel ban, now the litigation over the daca unwinding. this is not going to do trump any favors in terms of trying to advance his somewhat nativist
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agenda as people challenge it in court. >> nativist? go ahead, john. >> the one thing that it will do is strengthen the leverage of democrats next week for keeping the government open. by embarrassing his side of the argument and contributing to the idea that this is a president out of control, he reduces the risk for democrats that they'll be blamed if there's a government shutdown, and he increases the pressure on the white house as well as on republicans, to just go ahead and make the deal on daca that democrats want. if they don't do that, and the government shuts down, it's going to make the republicans' political problems even worse. >> would you agree with that, vania, this now gives the democrats another card to play as they move towards what many haitians in america and haitian americans might be focusing on right now, that is a strong immigration deal that is good for all? >> i agree completely. in the haitian community, one of
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the major issues for us right now is making sure that we can upgrade the legal status of people who are -- who do have tps, and just to make sure again that we let this president know that you cannot be hypocrite cal in this way. in riling support from us, and then every chance that you get, attacking this community. haitians have a lot of contributions not only historically, but presently in the u.s. and the fact that he's going against everything that he promised, i think it's really disingenuous and unfortunate and just giving us more of a push to make sure that we organize and get out the vote during the midterm elections. >> john, looking at the parpers across the country, a lot of headlines are saying, is this president racist? that label is used so much more forwardly because of the context and the history of the statements that are racially
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controversial, coming from this president? what does it mean? one needs to ask, not only as we look forward to next week, but 2018. >> this is consistent with a pattern that we've seen throughout the trump presidency. i don't think these remarks, although they're getting a lot of attention at the moment, are more inflammatory than what he said after charlesville when he defended the white supremacists that marched there. the american people have been looking at the president over the last year, not liking what they've seen. that's why his numbers have gone down, and this just deepens the impressions that have already put republicans behind the eight ball. >> 15 seconds to you, charlie. >> the mainstream media, of which i'm a member, has trouble calling people racist, or calling falsehoods lies, but the trump presidency is really pushing on our politeness and
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the language that we use, in describing things as they are. >> the culture of journalism not used to the last year or two of what has had to be said. thank you all. chelsea manning has filed a run for the u.s. senate from the state of maryland. she was convicted of passing top secret government documents to wikileaks. manning has filed to run as a democrat, which means she would be challenging incumbent senator ben cardon in the primary. i'm richard lui. thank you for being with us and staying with us as we watched the story out of hawaii. it was a scary day. we're in hour four, just after that message came out on many, many a phone across the s