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that will do it for me. ali veshi picks things up right now. i'm not about to talk to you -- >> i would love to talk to you. >> are you done for the day. >> 5:00. >> have a great afternoon. good morning. i'm ali veshi. we begin with a tale of two days as the country celebrates civil rights champion martin luther king on this mlk day, president trump broke with tradition and did not participate in the day of service. and the president continues to fight off claims that he's a racist after his reported shithole countries comment. here he is last night. >> [ inaudible question ].
>> no, i'm not a racist. i'm the least racist person you have ever interviewed. that i can tell you. >> okay. but democratic senator dirk durbin is sticking by what he said and lindsey graham said his memory of what was said -- what was said has not evolved. >> i stick with my original interpretation. i am stunned that this is their defense. that is -- that is their choice. >> the discourse right now is pretty low. it is pretty embarrassing when you have to take your children out of the room just to report the news. >> this is all playing out during a critical week on capitol hill as congress faces a possible government shut down by the end of the week. democrats are demanding a deal for the thousands, hundreds ever thousands of undocumented immigrants under daca by january 19th. for more on this, i want to bring in white house correspondent jeff bennett near the mar-a-largo estate and derek
hague on capitol hill. jeff, we talked a couple of hours ago. no big developments out of the white house. but a lot of stuff brewing on capitol hill and with respect to the president. any comment, any word out of the white house so far? >> no word out of the white house just yet. the president and the white house appear to be taking political refuge in the revised recollection of tom cotton and david purdue, both republican senators were in the room on thursday, along with lindsey graham and dirk durbin. they said they couldn't recall the president making that -- that vile racist remark about african nations and yesterday appearing on the political shows they changed their stories and said the president never made the comments. not clear if that is a convenient or a concerted effort on the behalf of the trump white house and these two senators to try to move beyond what the president did or didn't say. but i can tell you last night was the -- the president was having dinner and was asked about this by some reporters outside of trump national golf
course, the president relied on the revised recollections of those two senators as his own defense, saying did you hear what they said? those comments weren't made. fast ford -- fast forward to this morning, the president doing political messaging of his own about daca. statement by me last night in florida, honestly, i don't think the democrats want to make a deal they talk about daca, but they don't want to talk. we are ready and willing to make to a deal. but they don't want to. they don't want to stop security or the border, they want to take money away from the military which we cannot do. my standard is very simple, america first and make america great again. and democrats make the point that it is difficult to pin the blame on them, seeing republicans control the levels of pown -- power in washington. >> do garrett on capitol hill. there is the he said, he said stuff which will figure out its own level. but more importantly, is this standing in the way of the
necessary work that has to be done by the end of week to keep the government functioning because the funding runs out at the end of the week and they need a deal to extend and keep the government open. >> it does seem to be. a number of democrats have said they will not give their votes to support keeping the government open unless some kind of deal is reached on daca. that matters more in the senate. but republicans just don't have the votes to keep the government open on their own. in theory, in the house, if republicans could get all of their members to agree to do so, they could move a continuing resolution and keep the government open for some number of weeks further. but listen, i have to fact check the president's tweet this morning. the democrats did want a deal. the reason dirk durbin and lindsey graham were in the president's office was to present him with a bipartisan deal that a group of senators had reached they thought could get 60 votes on daca and despite the fact that this meeting has now devolved into a did he or did he not say what everyone thinks he said argument about the president's comments. you still have lindsey graham
out there pushing for the president to be the closer here, to be and do what he said he would do earlier in the week, which is to sign something that could pass. here was lindsey graham talking about this earlier today in south carolina. >> i urge the president to lead us to that bipartisan solution. mr. president, close the deal. 80% of americans want to give the daca kids a better life. and 80% of americans want to secure our border and change a broken immigration system. it is going toake you, mr. president, working with republicans and democrats to get this done. it is not going to be done on twitter. >> and ally, here is an interesting personal thing to watch here. graham may find himself sidelined now if the president decided not to go with any version of the deal that he and dirk durbin presented him but dirk durbin is a member of both bipartisan groups trying to come
with a solution and so that relationship will have to be repaired or this brouhaha over what was said in this meeting put away for a little bit. if they are going to come up with a kind of deal before the end of the week. >> it is kind of strange. because dirk durbin said what he said about what the president said and said complimentary things about lindsey graham. 'appreciated it and said publicly that' appreciated what dirk durbin said and what he said to the president, he said, but lindsey graham has not actually said the words or confirmed that the president said the words and now these two other senators have said that the president didn't say it. this seems -- it is surreal. it is hard to believe. >> it is. but i watch lindsey graham pretty closely because he's been in the mix of so many of the big issues we have been covering on the hill and he's worked hard to develop this relationship with president trump. his critics say he's sycophantic but his supporters say this is someone who working really hard to get the president's ear on the issues that he cares about.
and it is pretty clear with his public statements, he doesn't want to throw the president under the bus. even if he's willing to jab tom cotton and david purdue and saying his memory has evolved as theirs has but he is clearly trying to keep the line of communication open for the president to get this done. this issue that he cares so much about. >> jeff, let me ask you something. on friday, there was an awkward moment at the white house in which the president was going to sign this mlk jr. proclamation and accompanied by a few people, including a gentleman named isaac newton far is, to the right of the screen, awkward for him and for the nation because all of this news was buzzing around and he made comments that didn't refer to the president's alleged comments but he did say that martin luther king jr.'s, day is meant to be a day of service. it is not for barbecues and it is not for relaxing. it is to do something. now mr. faris is disappointed the president isn't doing
anything today. >> he is. i called issac newton faris up in the last half hour and asked him about the fact that the president has no public events on his schedule today in honor of the federal holiday which marks the legacy of martin luther king jr. and far is told me, he zwnt think it is an issue of malice, he thinks are t reflects the president's racial ignorance and he said that is present in the president's orbit and then he said, if you go back and watch the speech the president gave on friday, he hit all of the right themes about togetherness but didn't say about the day of service aspect that is synonymous with the federal holiday. so isaac newton ferris who has worked in the the king center and a close and member to the king family and close to the apparatus for years has held events in honor of dr. martin luther king jr. said in this instance he sees the president's racial ignorance coming to the fore and his lack of public events commemorating the holiday. >> thank you very much.
jeff bennett in west palm beach where the president is nearby. and garrett, we'll chat later. as the fate of 800,000 undocumented immigrants is debated, jeff bose os and his wife are donating $33 million to help d.r.e.a.m.ers pay for college. the donation is going to the dream.u.s., the largest scholarship program for dreamers. joining me now is sad anna sing, a recipient and senior at trinity washington university. you came to the u.s. when you were 13 years old or younger. >> i was 13. >> you came, your parents are from guyana and you then became a d.r.e.a.m.er when your parents stayed beyond their visa and you lived sort of -- you were exact lip the example of someone who kind of lives in the shadows, with some degree of deceit around you. and then the -- the daca allowed you to come out and apply to go to school. >> yes.
that is right. and in georgia where i live, i didn't share my status with anyone. not even my friends at school. no teachers, anything. it was just within my family that i sort of lived with this. and for better or worse, tried to blend in as lived my life. and after i graduated high school in georgia in 2005, it was a very low point for me to learn that i wasn't able to go to college in that state or anywhere due to lack of finances, or lack of scholarships, federal aid. so i ended up working for at least nine years after i graduated high school to just -- just to be able to support my family and to help contribute to the household while i was still hoping to go to college. >> and you said -- go ahead. >> daca finally gave me that opportunity. >> and you tweeted out, daca and the d.r.e.a.m. usa gave me the chance to go to college nine years after high school. i'll graduate in may and my daca expired in october. how could i work and contribute in the progress from here,
d.r.e.a.m. act. you were working and supporting your family and it was sort of -- it was a tough decision to go to school, but the argument i think that everybody has about going to university is that you will enhance your chances to be productive and earn. so you were really hoping for all of that. you were studying for exams, trying to get things down while this whole daca debate was swirling around you and you tried to keep that out of your head but you couldn't really. >> no. it is difficult. to have that door open after waiting for so long and then as i'm so close to graduating as you said in may and it just kind of felt like the rug was pulled out from under me. my future became uncertainty again and i didn't know where i would end up in a few months. and it is -- it psychologically difficult to go through school and work and have this hanging over me. >> i think it is more than a little difficult. i'll ask my control room to put up some images of the what the dream.us does seniors, and 70
colleges in 15 states and the scholarships pay for college education. what are you thinking happens next? >> i'm really hoping that a d.r.e.a.m. act passes. i feel like the politicians can play politics, but they're playing with lives. a lot of us are in limbo and for someone like myself, i've been here for 18 years now, and it's difficult to live your leem in a limb bow for that long. so i want something that is concrete, something that is going to be a more permanent solution than daca which has opened a lot of doors for me, but of course their needs to be more after this so i'm hoping for the d.r.e.a.m. act. >> tell me about the kind of kids -- you're not kids. you're out of high school for nine years , the students at trinity. i've heard the d.r.e.a.m.ers who are part of the dream.us, very hard working and scoring very high grades in college. >> yes. absolutely. and i -- i attribute that to the fact that we didn't have this
opportunity before. it wasn't something that we knew from high school that we were going right into college. so for some of us, we knew this was a once in a lifetime chance. the people at the dream.us and the people who donated to fund our education, we knew that, hey, someone believes in us and someone wants us to succeed. so we hit the ground running. we always go to classes, we have internships and work hard and keep up the grades because we know that the only way to succeed in this country is to have an education and to have a degree and we want to see it through. >> so thanks for joining us. and we'll continue to cover this as it,s would through. a senior at trinity washington university and a scholarship recipient from the dream.us. and hawaii is sent into a wave of panic after an alert warning people about an incoming missile. jacobson soberoff was in hawaii
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the u.s. pacific command has detected a missile threat to hawaii. a missile may impact on land or sea within minutes. this is not a drill. >> that is incredible. can you imagine hearing that or seeing that on your tv. getting it on your phone. we now know that the saturday morning alert was, in fact, human operator error.
>> it was a procedure that occurs at the change of shift when they go through to make sure that the system is working and an employee pushed the wrong button. >> that push of a wrong button led to a mass panic across the state of hawaii for 40 minutes, which is a lifetime when you are fearing the worst. the major misstep led to questions about preparedness among residents and the government and improvement to the missile alert system. jacob soberoff was on assignment in hawaii. how do you get assignments like that and was in the bunker when the button in question was pushed hours before the alert went off. you were -- you were doing a story on the preparedness for a possible attack, jacob? >> reporter: that is exactly right. we were basically doing the story that ultimately ended up unfolding without the actual missile attack. thank goodness happening. you said 38 minutes is a lifetime. not only is it a lifetime for people it not know whether or not a ballistic missile is
incoming from north korea, tice the amount of time it would take for the travel from north korea to hawaii. people were terrified and panic in a place known as paradise. this were to look into the response should an attack actually be initiated by north korea. and we went into that bunker to understand what the systems in place were. they showed us a little bit of that. what is supposed to happen in the event of that, take a look at this. >> this is where the call comes in that notifies us of a ballistic missile launch. >> if a nuclear missile is launched from north korea, that is where you will find out. >> that is right. these are state warning officers. they'll receive a call from the pacific command on a secure line and make a decision to activate the statewide system. >> where is the phone? >> it is right here behind us. >> so pacific command, the military never made that call
because there was no inbound missile but the alert was activated any way and it said this is not a drill. nbc news has just confirmed with the hawaii department of emergency management that it is all resulted in death threats being lobbed toward that agency. there is a lot of very angry people. and none of this zeuses death threats but very angry people many of whom suspected they may be in the final moments of their lives. the agency has accepted responsibility and apologized and placed a person -- that the person responsible for this on a new assignment until they could figure out what happened and other investigations federal and statewide on going to determine how this happened and to make sure it never happens again. >> jacob -- wow. maybe i guess it helps because we get prepared an think what -- and think about what we'll do when we get a text message like that. for more on how it happened, jeremy bash is the former chief of staff to the cia and retired army general barry mccaffrey as a former national security
council member. general, let's start with you. he's in hawaii right now. general, you were on the island when the false alarm was sent out. do you -- what happened? did you hear about it? did it come to you? >> [ inaudible ]. >> hold on. we don't have your audio. so we'll fix that and go to jeremy bash. what were you thinking about when you heard about this? >> i took it very seriously because of course the wording of it sounded real. although i have to say just one bit of context which is we are in a period of slightly lower tensions and so i was -- i was momentarily surprised if in fact north korea would have launched a missile at the united states kind of given the fact that they are now talking to south korea. but not with standing, it seemed realistic and i think there were a couple of problems here. number one, there has to be i
two-person rule for any kind of warning and second i think you should have to hold down a button for three or more seconds and can't be an accidental pressing of a button. and third, there has to be a way to quickly correct an erroneous warning and the fact that it took 38 minutes to issue a correction is a huge problem. >> general, military people seem to think that there are a lot of urgent and critical matters that should have a two-person or more rule and some kind of safety check before something like this happens. >> oh, no question. all of our nuclear weapons, that is a system that requires two people to activate any segment of it, they have to be physically separated enough and a missile silo is an example, so they can't activate the button. so ally, civil defense is not the answer to north korea nuclear weapons. if you get a air burst over honolulu with a 3 ton thermo
nuclear device, it is end game. so the question is are we going to invest massively in layering layeringed -- layered missile defense. and here in hawaii -- it is an army ballistic missile short range and just successfully shot down a test missile over alaska. so we've simply got to get energized and get on with it. and the north koreans now have tested an icbm with the range to cover all of the continental united states. and they've tested one successful thermo nuclear device. so this isn't a hawaii problem. this is a u.s. national defense problem. >> from a national security perspective, jeremy, what does this whole incident do? as the north koreans watch this and were quick to say they didn't fire a missile. it is not in their interest to think the u.s. fired a missile and get the retaliation when
they didn't do it. but where does this put us. >> it shows how fragile systems could be. even in the united states had ch is the gold -- which is the gold standard in terms of technology and capability and training. our personnel operate at the highest levels and we even have mistakes in our own system. and i shutter to think about what would have happened if the same mistake was replicated on the north korean side because they are nowhere near as capable in terms of their capability and their training if they mistakenly thought we were firing a missile at them, they could take precipitous military action and you have the sparks for a wider war. >> that is dangerous. and general, i asked you in the beginning, where were you? you were in hawaii. did you get notice of this? did it show up on your phone or did you see people running around. >> i'm in a huge beautiful resort on the waikiki beach in paradise. the iphones all activated effectively, later on there was a scrolled warning on television.
but i must admit that the -- one of the problems they'll face is not just a bone-headed mistake on putting out an incorrect alert, but their systems didn't work. there were no in hotel what do you do? there was no all clear for over 40 minutes inside of our hotel complex which is thousands of people. so you wonder if the police, the fire department, the hospitals, do they have the sop's in place to do something coherent that makes sense. my guess is no. it is a good wake-up call. we ought to think through to what extent civil defense can help and by the way, i underscore if you are in the direct hit from a thermo nuclear device, civil defense isn't going to help you. we need to focus on defensive measures at national rate. and i would also add, and this is a tough thing to say, but within a few years we're going to be in a position where we're forced into a strategy of launch on warning nuclear attack
against the north koreans. we would never accept the first ten missiles to sort out whether it was real. and we'll go on a hair trigger dangerous alert in a few years. >> to jacob soberoff's point, it took 40 minutes to clear this up and twice as long as it would have needed for the missile to get to hawaii. thank you to both of you. jeremy bash and retired general barry mccaffrey, former national security council member. after the break, it is nearly 50 years since dr. martin luther king jr.'s, death and now the issue of race still front and center. after the break, i talk to the senior pastor of the ebb on he'ser church and the daughter of robert kennedy. [ click, keyboard clacking ]
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in light of the current state of affairs, we must understand that our collective voice is more important now than ever before. >> strong words from reverend bernice king speaking at the church where her father was a co-pastor. nearly 50 years after his death, it is unclear just how far we have come. as america's current president fights off claims of racism today. if there is anything that does seem to hold true, it is the words of robert f. kennedy shortly after dr. king's death. >> what we need in the united states is not division, but we need in the united states is not hatred, but we need in the united states is not violence and lawlessness, but is love, and wisdom and compassion toward one another. feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our
country whether they be white or whether they be black. >> you'll remember we finished our show with those words on friday. nearly 50 years old, kerry kennedy, robert f. kennedy's daughter and reverend rafael warnock, from ebenezer baptist church which is where dr. king was a co-pastor. r reverend, let me start with you. your service we ran some sound from. what was the atmosphere like there? >> it was a great day to be at ebenezer 50 days after dr. king's death and this holiday falls on his birthday. so it was a day of celebration but also a day of deep reflection on what we face in this moment. we've got a choice before us. dr. king's last book was entitled "where do we go from here". >> which is exactly the question i asked you today. where do we go from here?
you said to the new york times, my battle is not so much with trump as it is with trump-ism. >> we have to stand up. we have to make sure our voices are heard. and it doesn't matter whether this kind of hate is spewing out of the mouth of an american president or if it comes from misguided young men marching through charlottesville, we have to say america is better than this. not just in rhetoric, but in public policy. and so this is why we're very focused on this issue of the d.r.e.a.m.ers. we need to extend daca. we need to give -- we need to go beyond daca and give these young people, 800,000 of them in our community, a dignified path to citizenship. we cannot celebrate the d.r.e.a.m.er while refusing to liberate the d.r.e.a.m. >>k kerry kennedy, you wrote about the speech in ohio 50 years ago in which you said the biggest impediment to equality wasn't the imagined racialin fiery ort but the societal
institution and perpetuating division and low expectations. policy solutions met with foot dragging from white house leaders who said you can't have the power as it does for the change. >> that speech, my father gave a speech on april 5th, the day after dr. king was killed at the cleveland city club. and he at the time 125 cities were burning across our country and the white power structure was saying now we don't owe anything to -- to those living in urban poverty in the black population because they're burning down the cities. and my father's response was, no, you do. because the institutions that perpetuate racism, you've benefited from and your responsible for them and we need to change this.
>> and you mean educational institutions, criminal justice system. >> exactly. and that is why right now rfk human rights is working very hard on mass incarceration. you know when dr. king and my father spoke 50 years ago, we had 187 americans in pre-trial cages in jails awaiting trial. today we have 2.3 million. we have 11 million americans every year who with in pre-trial detention, meaning they are sent to jail not because they committed a crime, but just in case they committed a crime. and all of them are there not because -- again not because they committed a crime. but because they're too poor to make bail. so we need to change that system. and we need to change it in new york and we need to change it across the country. >> reverend, some people said
how did we get where we are given that we just came out of a -- eight years of america's first black president. it is simplistic to think an african-american president is going to undo this sort of racial injustice that we've seen for more than 250 years in this country. but it is a interesting question. put it into context. where do we go from here? >> well, we experienced a kind of backlash, if you think about it, toward the end of dr. king's life and almost from day one with the election of barack obama we saw kind of backlash coming from certain sectors of our country and the man who occupies the white house in this moment helped to flame the fires of hatred. he emerged to plil political prominence talking about the birth and so the birther president continues to do the things he's been doing. i'm grateful to mrs. kennedy and
the work of others focused on this issue of mass incarceration. i think it is one of the most central moral issues of the time. the land of the free is the incarceration capital of the world. >> we'll focus on this issue and we'll continue to. it is a serious matter for americans to consider. thank you to both of you. kerry kennedy, of the rfk center for justice and hume ran rights and reverend rafael war knock from the ebenezer baptist church. up next, kentucky becomes the first state to implement the trump administration's medicaid work requirements after the break i'll be joined by the kentucky governor matt bevin. i let go of all those feelings. because i am cured with harvoni. harvoni is a revolutionary treatment for the most common type of chronic hepatitis c. it's been prescribed to more than a quarter million people. and is proven to cure up to 99% of patients who've have had no prior treatment with 12 weeks. certain patients can be cured with just 8 weeks of harvoni.
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book now at lq.com kentucky is the first state moving forward with the work requirement for medicaid recipients after the trump administration announced last beek it would allow -- last week it would allow states to make that move. a letter last week clears the way for states to cut off benefits unless they are employed or in school or a care-giver or a volunteer or participate in approved forms of community engagement. let's take a look at the facts when it comes to work requirements for medicaid. >> for starters, only 7% of spending goes to food stamps and temporary assistance and medicaid. and most of the recipients already work. take medicaid which gets more funding than all other support programs combined. it subsidized health coverage
for 74 million low income americans because of a covered disability. researchers at the university of michigan found that close to half of michigan enrollees held jobs in 2016 and another 22% did not. because they had qualifying disabilities or were in school or retired. but 28% of michigan enrollees were out of work and so should be ripe for a gop work requirement. except that figure includes a vast majority of ben fish aies with chronic health conditions that could prevent them from holding a job and those were in surveyed conducted nationwide. kaiser identified 14% of all medicaid enrollees nationwide, 10 million, that could be affected by a mandatory work order. and of those 10 million, kaiser said most had legitimate reasons to be out of work. but about 300,000, about.04% of all medicaid recipients could be pushed off of medicaid under a gop workm -- work
mandate. and work requirements for medicaid wouldn't raise a significant amount of money. >> kentucky is just one of the nine states seeking to implement a work requirement. this is governor matt bevin who announced his state will impose the work requirement. governor, good to see you. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me on. >> i want to put up a couple of numbers that have just come out from the kaiser family foundation about medicaid in kentucky. the first one is about 337,000 adult medicaid enrollees, 38% of them are not working. 47% work full time and 14% work part-time. now of the 38% who are not working, this is how it breaks down. 51% are ill or disabled, 27% are caretakers. i haven't gotten the number for those attending school or another reason, but 78% of those not working are accounted for.
as caretakers or ill or disabled. some are in school. it doesn't seem like this will move the needle all that much. >> but here is the wonderful thing. what if it moves it for one individual or their children. and think about the trajectory of that family into the future for them to have better opportunity. you're point is well taken and it is an important -- it is important that people understand the vast majority of people that are on medicaid will not even be remotely affected by this. this is not designed for the traditional medicaid population. it is designed for people like you and i who do not have disabilities, those small sub set that are not incapable of working or being engaged in their community and giving them an opportunity and the dignity and the self-respect associated with being given assistance to do better for themselves and their family. it is a great opportunity and will apply to a few but will transform their lives in powerful ways. >> let's talk about how medicaid has changed in kentucky over the last few years.
because it seems like some of this might be targeted -- i don't want to use the targeted. that is not fair. maybe aimed at those people who were part of the medicaid expansion. >> no question at all that it will be some sub-set of that group to whom this applies and the argument that while many are already working, perfect. they won't need to worry about this at all. they will already meet the requirement. and so you are correct, it will not apply to one single part of the traditional medicaid population. >> so i understand that numerically in kentucky it may not be that big of a deal but it is interesting that this conversation comes up on the heels of this new tax law which may end up increasing deficits of the federal government so as a result people are talking about cutting costs and that is where this work requirement come up. if it is not going to make that much of a difference, is this to fulfill some sort of mantra that we have to get people off of welfare or things like it? >> no. it throw out two false
suppositions. i want to correct what you said. you find it interesting this is on the heels of the tax reform. this is something we have been working on for two years. we started this under the obama administration working with their health and human services cabinet and only now after two years of work has this come out. this was far ahead of any effort -- >> no, i hear you. i didn't -- i wasn't clear. what i mean is -- >> there is no connection. >> on a federal level with -- with paul ryan and marco rubio and with the president himself who have all started talking about entitlement reform in the weeks that were toward the end of the tax season. not you. i understand that kentucky is working on this for a while. >> no, but again these are related. again i don't mean to make an issue other than the fact this is something going on for a long time. so to the heart of your question, is this too little, too late, will it have an effect, it will. the intent is not to save money. the intent is to get people engaged in their own health outcome. because what we've seen for 50 some odd years of the programs, medicaid, we are not helping
people's health become better. we're not. especially for those who are able-bodied. and in kentucky -- one-third of our people. >> that is strange to say it doesn't help people's health get better. i don't think that is -- >> it does because -- show me a study -- in kentucky we have more people than ever on medicaid. and we are -- we are increasing in leading the nation in things like lung cancer and things like premature deaths and things like diabetes and hypertension and cardiovascular disease and pick the category. we are between 43rd and 50th in the nation on all of these fronts and since we have expanded medicaid we've only gotten worse so the argument would be that well if you provide coverage, somehow people will be healthier. that is not the case. the key is not just the coverage, the key is access to actual health care, the utilization, the incentive to utilize it and then ultimately the ability to become healthier as a result and what we know for
a fact is that people that are engaged in their own health outcome will have better health results. and that is all we're looking to do, is for that small subset to have this as a pablt to create this -- possibility to create this for them. i am such a person. i grew up well below the poverty level and never had health care until i was 20 years old. i was an active duty army officer before i had health care. so i don't look at this from sympathy as so many do. i look at from a level of empathy. i understand it and i've been there and i know that a seem of -- the head of cms said to assume nothing of people who were like i was when i grew up is the soft bigotry of low expectations. that is exactly correct. we owe people in kentucky and people in america better than that. >> okay. well there is a good philosophical discussion. kentucky is a good example. but let's come back and have that about whether or not access to health care does improve outcomes because there is -- kent is an interesting case. and i'd like to talk more about
it. >> i would welcome it. >> thank you. kentucky governor matt bevin talks about medicaid work requirements. and still to come, zuckerburg of fake news. roger joins me next. that you may be... overlooking. it's your eyes. that's why there's ocuvite, from bausch + lomb. as you age your eyes can lose vital nutrients. ocuvite helps replenish those nutrients. ocuvite has lutein, zeaxanthin, and omega-3. nourish your eyes to help them be their healthy best. ocuvite eye vitamins. be good to your eyes. so we know how to cover almost almoanything.hing even a swing set standoff.
facebook is rolling out changes that will reprioritize what its billions of members see in their news feeds. content from friends and family will be prioritized over content pushed out by publishers, media companies and brands. s mark zuckerberg says the reason for the change is, quote, helping you have more meaningful social interactions. the move comes amid a new study released by three political scientist that's cites facebook as the most important mechanism facilitating the spread of fake news. now, this is an alarming point fueling criticism against the social networking giant's current business model from one of its earliest investors, roger mcnamee. he took on the role of one of zuckerberg's mentors and helped recruit sheryl sandberg. the company went public two years later. he first noticed bad actors
manipulating facebook in early 2016 and contacted zuckerberg and sanders before the election. roger joins me now, still a facebook investor and capital firm elevation. thank you for being here. >> always a pleasure. >> you've written a series of op-eds in a couple weeks steps you've called on facebook to undertake. you want the company to admit that its algorithm invites manipulation by bad actors. that is an important one. >> it's really, really important. and it comes to the following thing. that the company was manipulated by the russians during the 2016 election, and the very thing that the russians did was not a hack. it was just using the product the way it was designed for advertisers. they just put it to a bad purpose. >> this is important. the russians have been accused of hacking all over the place. but the use of social media wasn't a hack. >> absolutely. >> it was taking the social
media algorithms and saying this could work for us. >> it could work for us and nothing has been done to prevent from happening again. russians have put a play book out there so in 2018 and beyond in every election, anybody who wants to disrupt the status quo can do so. this is very threatening to any incumbent of any party. this is not something we should be looking at as a partisan issue. >> right. >> this is our democracy. >> putting aside why we're looking at it as an issue, the point you underscore and make, this is not accidental. this isn't someone who said we've been manipulated. in fact, there is a design. it wasn't meant for the russians to manipulate elections. but it was designed -- >> in order to be profitable they need people to be engaged with the content. in order to get them to be engaged they appeal to low level emotions like fear and anger, get them all excited. if you think about it fear and anger are basically negative emotions. what that means in an election context, negative, fear and anger based messages have a huge
advantage over anything sensible or nonemotional. that's what happened. this is why i think it's so important for facebook to contact every single person who was touched by the russian manipulation. >> this is one of your requests. they identify who got touched by this, and apologize and tell them what they read that was untrue. >> exactly. because if you don't do that, then people continue to operate as though they were the one person not affected by this whole thing. in the sense, you can't breakthrough the denial without facebook itself coming and saying, we were manipulated. because we were manipulated you were manipulated and we're americans and we need to come together, recognize that a foreign power messed with our most fundamental democratic processes and as a country, that is just unacceptable and we have to all come together. and right now, there are a lot of people who think, hey, my buddy on the left was affected, buddy on the right was affected and i was not. that isn't how it works. >> pointing out you may have been affected by this and how --
>> 126 million people on facebook alone which is -- we only had 137 million who voted in the election. >> this is not like an incorrect bill board on the street or a bad article in the newspaper. facebook knows who saw it. >> not only that, they know every single thing the person saw. >> they could send me a customized thing to say you engaged with these articles. >> it's not just articles. it would be groups, it would be events, ads. ads were a tiny piece of it. all the other stuff was much, much more important. >> the changes that were made last week, we don't have to get into them, but your point is this may be a little bit of miss direction. they may have actually made things worse if they had been in place -- >> if they had done this in 2015, it almost certainly would have magnified the russian manipulation. taking legitimate news out of people's news feeds is not going to solve the fake news problem. these things were done mostly out of groups which were actually -- >> bad information for people they knew, groups they were in, friends, families, things like that. >> they got most of it from
people they knew or bots they thought they knew. ali, it's really scary. on this special day, i have a dream that we can recover democracy in america and if facebook itself will take the responsibility, take the first move in fact do the changes that are necessary to let us have a real democracy. >> i'm glad you think that might happen. i may have a head of hair like yours before that happens. >> my friend, i look forward to seeing you with an afro. >> roger mcnamee, elevation partners. before we go, president trump just tweeted again about that oval office meeting last week in which he reportedly made inappropriate comments about africa and haiti. here's what he said. quote, senator dicky durbin totally misrepresented what was said at the daca meeting. deals can't get made when there is no trust. durbin blew daca and is hurting our military. want to leave that with you just to think about because my time is at an end. this hour has come to a close for me. i'll see you back here tomorrow
at 11:00 a.m. eastern with stephanie ruhle. 3:00 p.m. eastern, you can find me on twitter, facebook, snapchat. thank you for watching. deadline with nicole wallace starts right now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. as the nation honors dr. martin luther king and congress works to avoid a shutdown over other issues protection for dreamers, donald trump insists he's not a racist. >> [ inaudible ]. >> did you see what durbin said about my comment? >> [ inaudible ]. >> no, no, i'm not a racist. i am the least racist person you have ever interviewed. that i can tell you. >> the president's comments part of a new p.r. strategy, one that would have us forget that the white house communications staff did not deny that the president described african nations as [ bleep ] holes. the day reports surfaced and