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in south carolina. this the third fatal amtrak accident in just six weeks. how did that passenger train end up on the wrong track? democrats hitting back at the white house and lawmakers. senator minority leader chuck schumer today pushing president trump to approve the release of a democratic memo that counters a gop document that accuses the doj and department of justice of misconduct. >> the goal here is to undermine the fbi, discredit the fbi, discredit the mueller investigation, do the president's bidding. >> i actually don't think it has any impact on the russia pro for this reason -- >> the memo has no impact on the russia probe? ot to me it doesn't. there's going to be a russia probe even without a dossier. >> devin nunes over the past several months, all the way back to spring of last year engaged in these tactics purely to defend, make excuses, and try to
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protect mr. trump. >> my colleague live at the white house this afternoon, and jeff, let's start with the letter chuck schumer sent to the white house today. you've also been scouring the house intelligence committee's schedule for the week. what have you learned? >> we've learned that the house intelligence committee is expected to vote tomorrow evening on whether to declassify the memo. the first step in this process. and you mention the letter that president schumer was written to president trump and here's the thing about that, after the white house allowed for the release of the gop nunes memo with no redactions, trump officials issued a release of the democratic document rebutting the nunes memo and now schumer is urging president trump to make that decision as soon as possible. as you know, president trump has ridiculed senator schumer in the past, giving him the nickname crying chuck, but the two men have known each other a long time given their ties to the new york political and social scenes, so now schumer is
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applying what pressure he can so that democrats might have their chance in framing this debate with republicans already having a head start. as you know, the gop memo allowed the fbi to allow fbi bias to affect the probe, carter page. the nunes memo left out key context that their document will now clarify. >> jeff bennett, this is familiar territory for us. you have a lot that needs to happen on capitol hill and the russia investigation occupying a lot of time, energy, and oxygen on capitol hill. the prospect of a shutdown four days away. what are you hearing about how members of the executive branch are working to avert that this time around? >> they can handle these two things concurrently and you remember the last time the government shutdown it was because democrats wanted attached to the government spending bill protections for
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dreamers. this time is different. senator dick durbin said this morning the senate is probably unlikely to reach an immigration deal ahead of the government funding deadline, but that the government won't shut down in part because democrats are more or less intent with a pledge from mcconnell that he'll bring to the floor, the full senate, a debate on the daca protections, which would protect undocumented immigrants brought to the country illegally. >> thank you very much, there the at white house this afternoon. i want to bring in my panel. charlie savage, miller, and a writer for salon. let me start with you. i go back to trey gowdy, the republican from south carolina, said on "face the nation" this morning, that there is more in his words, there is a russia investigation here without a dossier, that this memo centered so much on that, but when you look at the investigation, there was much more to it. i'll tick through a number of
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things we know indicating this russia probe is real, inclusive, or exclusive of the dossier. two guilty pleas, two indictments. papadopoulos saying he had dirt on clinton. then, of course,ikilea directing messages torump junior on twitter. all of that real stuff having happened here. help us with the broader take away from that memo. >> yes, the thing this memo pointed out is there's a lot that's not in the memo, and what republicans were hoping to have be a huge bomb shell or promising would be a huge bomb shell was not there. what i think the larger take away here is, everyone is losing in a sense, because republicans have cried wolf over this issue of fisa and surveillance abuse, which is something that is very real and actually happens, so using this kind of farcical example discredits that argument. and i also think that if you look at what intelligence
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officials said, you know, calling this a grave threat to national security if this memo were to be released, it's only a couple pages. clearly, that hasn't happened. again, you're using something that is a very important issue, but i think leading -- misleading people in a way that actually erodes public trust. >> charlie savage, if a layman like myself wants to know about the fisa system, i'll turn to your reporting. i want a sent from you here of how much this conversation has changed. i recall just a few years ago lots of complaints from progressive or liberal sides, now the same thing here from the conservative side, as well. what's your take away from what was included in this four-page memo? >> i think the complaints you heard from liberals and libertarians was not about this kind of fisa. it was about warrantless surveillance that grew out of the bush administration's post-9/11 program that initially olated the law and the government fed it but the courts weren't able to rule on it. it was a sort of new thing about
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internet surveillance that the country was grappling with and still grappling with to some extent, even though with devin ni necessary last month it was extended six years without changes. this is good old fashioned meat and potatoes going back to the 1970s traditional with a judge looking at an application warrant fisa and that's not something that's been controversial in this country. the republicans, of course, are now continuing to be portraying themselves as deeply outraged over that system, but it doesn't seem to be real there, as some of the panelists pointed out. i think this is not really about fisa, this is about politics and clearly protecting the president and/or laying the groundwork for him to push back hard against the mueller investigation depending on what happens with it. >> tamron, as we get reactions here, i want a sense from you if you know at this point what damage has been done here to institutions, some of which you
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know well. i think what christopher wray said in a video to his troops this week, talk is cheap, stay focused on what the objectives are of the departments in particular. what do you make of the damage done thus far? >> we hear a lot of damage has been done, because congress did not do its job. it has responsibility to investigate any allegations of serious misconduct by government officials. that simply didn't happe here. so instead, they failed to get all the information that was provided to the fisa court to support this warrant. they failed and refused to sit down with the justice department and fbi officials to ask them, you know, what their concerns were about this memo being complete or incomplete, so they have simply cast doubt on the work of career prosecutors and fbi investigators who without having done their own investigation, which is what they should do, before issuing a memo of this sort. >> alanna, let me ask you about where things go from here. there was speculation because of what devin nunes said on fox
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news his next focus was going to be on the state department, trey gowdy on cbs this morning saying he knows nothing of that, no second memo on that. when you look at the confusion by the focus of devin nunes and others on the committee, where do you see things going from here? >> i think at this point we see the transparency and getting the facts out there is what actually helps us get a real grasp of the story in what's happening. that's why democrats want to release their memo, they should release their memo. if republicans have another memo, it should be out there, because then the public knows the truth and we can debate the facts and what's in it, like this memo that's been released. so, otherwise, it's just something that allows for more political fodder, more partisan spin, and veering away from what really matters. >> charlie, you've heard the arguments made by many republicans against releasing that democratic memo written by minority members of the house intelligence committee. what'sou sense as we've made our way through the weekend he
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of how difficult it's going to be for them to prevent the release of that memo? >> well, they have the power to not do it. they've already suppressed it once when democrats said let's put both memos out at the same time so people can see the argument on both sides at once and republicans because they have a majority in congress and paul ryan is backing this maneuver blocked it. they said we'll get to that later. we'll see whether the house intelligence committee really does, republican really do let the memo go to the white house and see whether president trump decides to declassify it like he did with the democrats' memo with the government shutdown possibly coming up, wouldn't be surprised if, oh, just too busy. but we'll see. >> when you listen to the innuendo and the direct attacks on constitutions and people who helm those institutions, i wonder what you make of that as somebody who's worked in the federal government in that capacity, referring to tuning out the political noise. how difficult is that to do when
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you're a staff prosecutor, working for the justice department or the fbi, how hard is it to tune out the noise like the kind that we're hearing? >> well, i can tell you that as a former federal prosecutor who worked and conducted federal investigations without regard to politics, this is insulting, it's harmful, it's completely irresponsible, and it absolutely serves no legitimate purpose. there are career prosecutors and investigators throughout this country and at the fbi that are doingheir job to gather the information so that we can protect our national security. so when you politicize the intelligence process, you do nothing but harm national security. >> we'll leave it there. tamron miller, thank you very much. alanna, charlie savage. still ahead, hours away from kickoff of the super bowl. we'll take you live to minneapolis where fans are facing record cold temperatures. you're taking a live look here inside u.s. bank stadium, where you can see a few fans beginning
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to funnel in. a few hours away from the kickoff, capping off a season full of protests and politics. how that controversy has impacted fans and players coming up. i've been meaning to talk to you. oh no. well, you know, you're getting older. um, you might be experiencing some, ah, sensations. can't wait to be rescued? esurance roadside assistance lets you know when help will arrive. that's insurance for the modern world. esurance. click or call.
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and it's exactly what you're looking for.
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just hours away now from super bowl lii. the philadelphia eagles hoping to win their first super bowl championship game against three-time champs new england patriots. katy beck is live with what's expected to be the coldest super
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bowl ever. katy, let's dispense with that first. what are the temperatures like in minnesota right now? >> well, right now we are at a balmy negative 1 degree, david. it is absolutely freezing out here, buas youan see, that is not stopping these fansrom getting out here early. we are still over three hours away from the start of the football game, and all of these crowds are starting to pile in, starting to celebrate. they don't earn the term bold north for nothing. they embrace it. security has been a concern for the city. 60 different law enforcement agencies have contributed today, including the fbi, national guard. they've installed extra surveillance cameras, motion detectors. they have a very sophisticated app police have on their phone to pull up video surveillance of any camera in the city on any corner should there be any threat that law enforcement here will be well prepared. additionally, they've allowed security screening to happen at the mall of america, so fans can
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go there, get screened, and take a secure train into the stadium to avoid waiting outside in the temperatures. it also avoids congestion, bringing more cars, more people, more uber downtown, so a lot of people are taking public transportation to the game tonight to try and avoid doing what i'm doing right now, which is standing in negative 1 degrees, but we'll be here throughout the night. lots of excitement on the ground as the game is a little over three hours away. >> thank you very much. katie beck in minneapolis this afternoon. let's turn to our panel now. sophia nelson, author of "reclaiming our founders' vision of united america." also joining me, sports radio host jason page. let start with you, sophia. i want aceps of what culmination this is to the season we've seen when it comes to politics and football. what does it symbolize to you in light of the conversation that's been had here over the season? >> well, i think one of the things we're all going to look
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for, who kneels and who stands up when the pledge allegiance happens, is there anybody to kneel today in the super bowl, will that be a point of controversy? i think super bowl sunday is a time when we as americans come together. you know, our founding motto is out of many, one, and i hope that on this day we take the opportunity to fellowship with each other, et cetera, and come together, but i'm not naive enough to think there won't be points of controversy if someone kneels and it gets back to what president trump has been saying and the nation is very divided on who should stand and who should kneel. >> jason page, i want your reaction to the reaction that's been had here ahead of the super bowl today. where do things stand when it comes to that conversation, do you think? >> look, can donald trump resist
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the urge today to put out a tweet if a player kneels? it will be fascinating to watch, but i think as a whole the conversation of kneeling and, you know, black community efforts within the nfl, it feels to me that after week four or week five of the season, the conversation ed. i don't know why. i don't know if it was the efforts made by the nfl to reach out to the players association to try and come to some sort of consensus about how to get more involved in the community and how to make some efforts that players sort of felt were important to them. i don't know why, but after that happened, it feels like the movement kind of slowed down to me. yes, colin kaepernick would still be in the news from time to time, yes, you'd hear stories about the philanthropic efforts he's put forward, but in general, it feels like the movement kind of slowed down and became a lot quieter.
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>> yeah, sophia, let me turn to you to respond to that. i wonder if we're not talking enough on why those protests are happening. i guess if you look at the other side here, you hear president trump and others' criticism of folks kneeling. isn't a lot of conversation about why they feel so adamantly about that. >> right. i think there was an article in "the washington post" about a woman, a teacher, who assaulted a student who refused to stand for the pledge of allegiance and closer to home in northern virginia a friend of mine and their son in fairfax county high school, didn't put his hand on him, but threw him out of the classroom for refusing to stand. i agree at some point it kind of died down and i think that's because this president keeps us busy 24/7 with some type of controversy going on and i think there's so many issues before us, whether it be f memos, inteigence briefings, race, or the nfl standing, kneeling, it's all over the place. so i think we have a lot to sort
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through as a nation, and i'm hopeful that we will. >> jason, on that point, factor this into the broader cultural conversation in this country. we're focusing on it in the crucible of football, but what's the larger take away about what we've seen happen here over the course of the season? >> well, look, i think the nfl faces a number of problems as it gets ready to go into its final game of the season. i think you're talking about a league that still has a concussion crisis on its hands. the number of concussions went up this season. that's something the nfl does not want to see. you're seeing continued stories about players who have retired from the game dealing with dementia and dementia-related illnesses. that continues to be a problem for the league. the ratings have gone down, we've seen that. attendance is dropping. everything for the nfl right now from a trajectory standpoint is going the wrong direction. i don't know how they turn it around. yes, it's still the most watched league, still the most popular league, but i think it's in
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danger within a few years of losing that spot either to the nba or major league baseball, and that's what the league seems to be focused on right now more than anything else, david. >> sophia, you talked about the power of football or sports to bring people together from different beliefs and backgrounds and ideals here. are we seeing a shift in that more fundamentally? folly to say sports hasn't attracted political controversy in the past. >> yeah, i think today is a day we put that ase, because we love the football and we love the game, you know, i'm going to go to a party after i leave here, so i think, yeah, we love all of it, we look forward to it. we'll be tweeting and do all of that, so it is a unifying time, but i think the great test of our republic is, can we come together and respect each other's differences and beliefs and values and still know we're the great united states of america? >> no. >> that's what we're about. that's what we're all about. i'm hopeful, still optimistic. >> jason, are you as optimistic?
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>> no, i'm not optimistic at all. unfortunately, a lot of people are taking their cues from the president that are outspoken, mostly in the negative. i don't think this is a nation right now that's ready to come together, whether it's the super bowl or not. david, i got to get it in real quick, eagles 23, patriots 20. >> sophia, you want to respond to that? >> i grew up in south jersey, i got the eagles. it's all good. >> thanks to both of you. kickoff time 6:30 p.m. eastern time. memo mayhem, breaking down what's at the center of dispute in the declassified memo making waves in washington. but first, here is "saturday night live's" take on the memo. >> this memo might be the greatest memo since the declaration of independence. i don't know, i haven't read either one of them.
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vin nunes and republicans deny the abili ominority, the ds of that committee, to put out its report is just appalling, and i think it really underscores just how partisan mr. nunes is being. he has abused the office of the chairmanship. >> that's former cia director
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john brennan with some harsh words to describe house intelligence committee chairman devin nunes in the wake of a memo he drafted and released this past week, as well as disputing whether that memo should or should not have been released will probably carry on. a look at what's actually in the memo cannot be disputed, like the fact the dossier was used in the fisa warrant to eavesdrop on carter page. whether trump's anti-bias was disclosed to the judge, that's still being disputed. some say the court was aware of steele's likely political motivation, also whether andrew mccabe said a warrant would not have been sought without that dossier. that's also being disputed. democratic congressional source who heard classified testimony told nbc news mccabe never said that. and what may be some of the most important aspects of the memo,
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it was george papadopoulos and not the steele dossier that triggered the russia investigation in the first place is not in dpute. it's a report ty gowdy even expanded on earlier today. >> there is a russia investigation without a dossier, so to the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the fisa process, the dossier has nothing to do with meeting in trump tower. it has nothing to do with an e-mail sent. the dossier has nothing to do with george papadopoulos papadopoulos' meeting in great britain, also nothing to do with obstruction of justice, so there's going to be a russia probe even without a dossier. >> trey gowdy earlier today on cbs's "face the nation." with me now, van newkirk and a national political reporter from bloomberg of politics. let me start with you and take a step back at the beginning before we look ahead to the potential release of the democratic memo this week. what did we learn from all of this that led up to the
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declassification release of that memo and the memo itself? what's your perspective on that? >> david, the central question around this is how important the steele dossier was in obtaining a warrant by carter page, a former trump campaign adviser with ties to the kremlin. the allegation that the republican authors of this memo, devin nunes of the intel committee make, without this dossier, which was paid for by democrats, there would have been no warrant, no fisa warrant to spy on carter page, an allegation they are making there, law enforcement and the intelligence community is somehow biased against president trump. the purpose there is to cast doubt and undermine the legitimacy of the current russia investigation, but the critical thing we learned from that memo, david, it has no direct bearing on the current russia investigation. it didn't even spark the counterintelligence investigation in the 2016 election, and i think the clip you played from trey gowdy is
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important. so going forward, the question i have, how this gets perceived by the president, who's already saying it vindicates him and his allies and the media speaking to the republican base, which may have a say in deciding what happens to the president, what the recourse is, which may end up being a act of congress, not the courts. >> let me turn to you, there is a clear line of what was disclosed this week and the mueller investigation as a whole. i want to read from a piece in "the new york times," cowritten by a msnbc contributor. there's a small sub seth of the public that won't believe what comes out of the mueller investigation. that comes from christopher hunter, a former fbi agent and prosecutor that left the justice department at the end of last year. there's a lot going on here as a result of this memo and what happens next here. how difficult is it to see what's a clear line between these two things? >> yeah, so i think what we're talking about here, this memo is a political document. it's not a legal document, and
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we don't even know how close it is to reality, because we haven't seen the democratic side of things either. so what we're looking at here appears to be a document released that will to some extent call some people to question an investigation. it's going to maybe cause some people in congress or perhaps the president to question an ongoing investigation. those are all political procedures. when we get down the road to who was kept on maybe if the special investigator is fired, those were all political decisions still. so i don't think our knowledge really of the legal proceedings of what's actually happening with the russia investigation has been amplified or enhanced by this memo. it may be we are still talking about or what's disputed, whether the steeleossi was the central document in the warrant request, but i reall think right now what we're looking at is a choice to declassify a political document,
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not declassify another political document that may have disputed it, and now we're going to have several days now between the document and the potential release of the democratic document that may say other things. really, it's hard to see what the impact of this will be on the actual investigation, but it's easy to see what the impact will be in the politics. >> i want to ask you what you're hearing from lawmakers. congress has been out of session, but i imagine some have weighed in and you've talked to staff members about the release of the document in particular, about double speak, saying one thing and doing another. declassifying this document. i want to play a little bit of the conversation that donald trump jr. had on fox news, of course, the son of the president, who is supposed to be focused on business affairs related to the trump association, not presidential politics, but he weighed in here. >> no one else could get away with this other than obama administration, and this is why it's clear, they weaponized the fbi and the doj to attack the
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duly elected president of the united states. >> what sort of said on the periphery, that motivation behind what was detailed in this memo. what are lawmakers saying about a path forward and what's this meant for the integrity of and the future of congress in light of this memo? >> a couple things. thin the democratic response is more united. they are across the board, across their spectrum, calling this a political partisan motivated document aimed at delegitimatizing and undermining an important and serious investigation. they say material information was left out of it. they are left arguing this with one hand tied behind their back. i think tomorrow we're going to see house democrats move toward releasing their own counter memo to, i guess, explicate what they
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think is the full story. among republicans, the reaction has been bifurcated. you have some hard core trump allies, for instance, matt gates, congressman from florida, who's already been calling to remove bob mueller, saying this adds more fuel to the fire, this is a smoking gun evidence of abuse, but many members of his party disagree, including trey gowdy, i think including lindsey graham, senator from south carolina, said this should not undermine the current russia investigation. then speaker ryan said he's in favor of democrats releasing their memo once it's been scrubbed to make sure sources and methods aren't revealed. this is about civil liberties if there was a political document that was the primary basis for spying on citizens is disturbing and that should come out. of course, democrats should dispute that, i should note, that was the central basis for the warrant. democrats argue it would have happened regardless. >> van, lastly to you for the long view.
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we can talk about the next few da and whetherr not the memo is going to come out, but longer term still, there's been a lot of conversation surrounding the release of this memo about what it means to institutions, to the fisa process, the russia investigation, with a bit longer view looking out farther ahead, what do you see is the result or ramifications of the declassification release of this memo? >> well, i think what we've seen in the past couple months, we should expect the russia investigation. we should expect mueller's activities to go far into the future. i don't think we're anywhere near the end of the investigation here. we're not anywhere near the political fallout from it, so this appears to be one pushback of what we can expect to be several in the republican efforts to have the investigation slowed down or stopped. and so we're looking now perhaps at another shutdown, perhaps another budget showdown. we're looking ahead to 2018
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elections, to the primaries, to the actual fall elections, and it's hard to see exactly what the impact of the russia investigation, what this memo, what the dossier are going to have on who gets elected, but i do think they will be probably, aside from the tax bill, those are the only really relevant political things out there. and so you're going to see this investigation become much more of a political nefield, much more of a thing that's going to define how people run and what they rungainst. so i do think you're going to see as we're going into the fall more and more folks get more and more memos and talk more and more about the investigation as a political sort of circus. >> vann newkirk, thank you very much, and sahil, i'm going to ask you to stick around and ask about your reporting on capitol hill. still ahead, another deadly train crash in less than one
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i'm david gura. welcome back. the latest from south carolina. two amtrak workers are dead and at least 116 passengers and crew have been injured after a passenger train headed from new york to miami collided with a freight train earlier this morning. president trump sent his condolences to the victims of that crash in a tweet and thanked first responders for
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their work. investigators are still determining what caused the accident, but sources tell nbc's tom costell trackwitch may haven in t wrong position. the ground in west columbia, south carolina, with updates. we've heard from amtrak, there is an odd sharing arrangement of tracks in the u.s., freight trains and passenger trains sharing the same tracks. >> that may have been part of the issue here. of course, amtrak had permission, according to sources speaking to nbc news' tom costello, that amtrak was able to use those particular tracks, but again whether those signals were working are not clear. sources telling tom costello the signals had been suspended for work and a switch may have been in the wrong place on the track. amtrak 91 was heading from new york city to miami. there were 139 passengers onboard and eight crew members. we know now two of the crew members did not make it. one of them was 36-year-old
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michael sella, the conductor of the train, and 54-year-old michael kemp, he was the train's engineer. 100 passengers onboard the train were taken to area hospitals. they had injuries ranging from serious to minor. two of them, we're told, were in critical condition. coroner margaret fischer here spoke earlier at a news conference about what happened at the train crash. take a listen. >> any time you have anything that happens like that, you would expect more fatalities, but god blessed us and we only had the two, and not that they were in any way diminished, because my goodness, they are very, very hard. very hard. we wish we didn't have any fatalities. >> now, likeou mentioned, this is theecond crash this week involving an amtrak earlier this week there was a crash near charlottesville, virginia. that one involving an amtrak train that hit a disposal truck. one person in the disposal truck was hit aboard that amtrak
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train. dozens of members of congress were on their way to west virginia for a retreat. in the case of this particular train crash, we are expecting to hear from the ntsb in about an hour or so. we'll have an update for you when that happens. >> maya, thank you very much, maya rodriguez for us in west columbia, south carolina, this afternoon. still ahead, countdown to shutdown take two. could lawmakers come to an agreement about immigration before next week's looming deadline? deadline is thursday. stay with us. how you snuggle, how you cheer, how you whatever this is. just take a photo or video. tag it with #familygreatly #kraftentry and in the second half, we may just show 111 million people how you family. ♪ ♪
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welcome back. the countdown to a government shutdown counts closer and closer to zero. we're four days away from the next deadline at midnight on thursday. as of right now, congress has not come up with a meaningful resolution on several big issues, including president trump's proposed border wall, and democrats and republicans have not agreed on the status of daca recipients and the dreamers. the house is planning on tuesday to vote on legislation that could keep federal agencies operating beyond thursday. joining us now is chris lou, former deputy labor secretary, and sahil kapour is with us.
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sahil, let me start with you. dick durbin was on tv this week talking about the path forward here. let's take a listen to what he had to say. >> i think that we are trying to make a deal. we're going to see. but the democrats, i really believe they don't want to make a deal. and think of it, they've given up on daca and that's supposed to be theirs. it's ours. >> there is not likely to be a daca deal, though we're working every single day on telephone calls and person-to-person, to try to reach this bipartisan agreement. i think we're making real progress. i don't see a government shutdown coming, but i do see a promise by senator mcconnell to finally bring this critical issue that affects the lives of hundreds of thousands of people in america, finally bringing it to a full debate in the senate. >> all right, sahil, we got a two-for, president of the united states and dick durbin on the heels of that. lets get reaction from that. >> first on the government
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shutdown, david, i don't think that's likely to happen. i don't think democrats have another sort of confrontation the way we saw earlier this year in them over the issue of daca and immigration. there are a number of members of the party who don't feel quite that strongly, including moderate senate democrats up for re-election in states president trump won. i think there might be an effort to extend government funding we into march, late march. i n't confirm they are going to do that, butscussions are no. as far as immigration and daca, this past week was not a good one. two parties have moved further apart. we've seen president trump getting impatient and openly talking about the prospect of failing to get a daca deal. i think it's looking less and less likely by march 5th, which is the deadline for cutoff, and the reason for that is democrats are strongly opposing a central pillar of president trump's immigration plan, which is cuts to family based legal immigration that could cut legal
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immigration by up to 40% in the coming years and it's still far from clear that house republicans, at least a majority of them, will vote for any program that includes a path to citizenship or legal status for anybody in the country illegally. there's no evidence they are supportive of that. they've repeatedly voted against that in the past. those are the two sticking points and frankly i see the two parties moving further apart. >> let's pretend you're back on capitol hill on the north side of the capitol there hitting in bob corker's office and you hear what we heard from the president, we'll see, blaming the democrats to where things stand now. what's the path forward as you see it on the thorny issues of daca and the dreamers in particular? >> yeah, look, it's a really hard thing to know. the president laid out his sort of version of the deal here over the last few days and weeks in the state of the union. he's sort of made clear what his position is. problem is, there doesn't appear to be a real negotiation taking place among the parties on this question, so the senate, republicans and democrats, have been talking about trying t
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find a middle groundhere, but we haven heard what the deal looks like or the parameters of any deal. so i think the real challenge is, doesn't look like anybody is willing to come to the center and find middle ground. president is going to have to give a little, democrats, republicans, if we are going to see a daca deal done. >> let me ask your perspective on this. we're talking about this in a political context out of necessity here. sahil kapour, they are laying out the deadlines, february #8t, next in early march. saw in the state of the union many house and senate lawmakers bringing people there living with real uncertainty and i wonder if you think that perspective is getting enough attention on capitol hill. >> i agree. i don't think it's getting enough attention at all. let's be clear, you know, this is a problem that is really of the president's making. he could certainly extend the march 5th deadline, artificial deadline, that he set for reaching a daca resolution, but,
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you know, the broader point is, we are four days away from a government shutdown, and there has really been an absence of leadership from the white house in trying to reach a deal. and what we have heard since the last shutdown is a series of confusing and contradictory statements from the president about what deal he'd reach and now he's thrown on the table cuts to legal immigration. that would be opposed by, frankly, not only democrats, but many republicans and many in the business community, as well. the challenge i think right now is that speaker ryan has to find 218 ves to get another continuing resolution through. and thatath forward is a little unclear at the moment. >> sahil, what did you hear from the president this week? you traveled out to west virginia to the greenbrier resort there to talk to republican lawmakers on the heels of the state of the union. a big question heading into the state of the union and that speech after republican retreat was, what is the president's stance or position when it comes to daca and dreamers? did he do anything to refine
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that, to give his colleagues on capitol hill a better sense of what this white house wants? >> well, he laid out his four-point plan, david, which i think includes a path to citizenship for about 1.8 million people brought to the country illegally as children, which is significant for the white house to put on paper, but the other aspect of his plan are where things are getting problematic as it relates to the deal. border security, some funding for a physical barrier, which i don't think is as contentious as people think it is, ending the diversity visa lottery, which democrats don't like. the big thing is cuts to family sponsorship of siblings, parents, and adult children, which would be a major change to the immigration system for the last half century or so. what we heard from the president at the state of the union was essentially, you know, his core emotional argument from the campaign of connecting immigrants, legal and illegal, to criminals and terrorists, that really rubbed a lot of democrats the wrong way, and they reacted by pushing back fiercely. what we saw from the president after that in the following days
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as he was traveling as you mentioned is him saying essentially take it or leave it. he's willing to walkaw from the table, get to march 5th without an immigration deal, in which case these 700,000 or so young people who were brought here illegally would become subject to deportation, and it's not clear dhs by its own reckoning has the authority to extend that, so we're looking at a situation where the president is saying i'm ready to walk away from the table, whether that's a negotiating stance or how he feels remains to be seen. again, i don't see this coming together and we're looking at government funding in march, a debt limit deadline in march. these soak up more and more political capital and makes the whole thing tougher. >> lastly to you, sahil laying out considerations in the context of security, as well. i wonder how you see things going forward here and what role you think the white house is going to play. >> well, look, i do have a concern that we're not going to see the needs that we need met in defense spending and that's
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because of the defense sequester in place for the last few years. important we get past that issue and the issue of presidential leadership, there are people with concerns about what the president has done, but the notion he hasn't made his position on immigration clear, he has. i get a lot of people don't like it, that's a different question. he's told people what his negotiating position is. now, you know, we have to remember the longest government shutdown was in the last administration, so the idea somehow we haven't seen leadership in the white house on this question, i get it may not be leadership people want, but it is their negotiating position, so now we've got to figure out what that space looks like and that's why it's incumbent on the parties to come together and make it happen here in the next few weeks. >> not a lot of time to figure out the perimeters of that. thank you very muchor your perspeive is afternoon. coming up, the super bowl ad with an emotional message to the president. we'll be right back. g like yest. trails are covered. paths aren't what they used to be. roads nowhere to be found.
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that's it for me. the news continues right now with yasmin. >> you watching the super bowl tonight? >> i will be. >> going to tell everybody who you're rooting for? >> patriots. sorry. now i'll leave. >> okay, bye! bye! let's get started, everybody. it is super bowl sunday, and while everybody is ready for the big game, most of washington is scrambling over political football, the nunes memo, of course, in an attempt to level the playing field, democrats are now calling on the president to approve the release of their own account of the justice department's actions in the russia investigation. plus, broken trust.
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in a series of new tweets, the president again attacking the fbi over the republican memo which accuses the agency of abusing their powers. and daca deja vu. just four days away from another government shutdown with all the memo talk, is anybody doing anything to stop it? you be the judge. >> democrats say the memo isnot screen. >> i'll just tell you, this could precipitate a constitutional crisis. >> i'd be curious to ask a judge did you know who paid for this dossier being presented to you and would it have made a difference? >> i never, ever saw the democrats do something like this that was so partisan, so reckless. >> the memo is picking certain facts while hiding others, and that's actually the definition of fraud. >> look, russia tried to interfere with our election in 2016 with or without a dossier. >> i think it really underscores just how partisan mr. nunes has been. he has abused the office of the


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