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ladies and gentlemen, i give you thunder snow. i'm sorry. i never get that into it. but there you have it, that was snow and thunder, at the same time. thunder snow. if severe weather doesn't get your blood pumping, the weather channel's jim cantore is happy to coffver for you. >> yes! baby! we got it, we got it! whooo! whooo! we got it! >> what more is there to say, we love you cantore. >> i'm going out into the horizontal snow. >> what you said there, reminds me of the famous line, thunder only happens when it's raining, if you know your fleetwood mac. let me turn to this, our top story tonight is both bizarre and important. this right here, president donald trump, is playing the
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role of defendant and potential victim. stormy daniels is suing him in this brand-new case, trump lawyer michael cohen still trying to squash allegations of this past relationship. >> her lawsuit states that she had an intimate relationship with the president. but let's not bother to be delica delicate. did she have a sexual relationship with the president? >> yes. >> it the new suit arguing daniels should be able to speak out about that alleged relationship, and it makes two arguments, one, free speech should allow discussion about the president. but two, trump didn't technically sign it. there's stacy peterson, stormy daniels real name and the
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signature on -- >> david denison, a is that an alias for donald trump? >> how do we know that? >> because i know that and i'm telling you that right now and let someone claim that it's not an alias for donald trump. >> some confident lawyering. there is still amidst that confidence some bad news right here in this case. but legal experts do tell us that this signature argument alone is unlikely to invalidate an entire contractual agreement. what's the white house saying? spoiler, they say they already won this thing in arbitration. >> the president has addressed these directly and made very well clear that none of these allegations are true. this case has already been won in arbitration and anything beyond that i would refer you to the president's outside counsel. >> that claim itself also in dispute. daniels' lawyer mocking it, saying, yeah, and trump won the
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popular vote too, he hasn't won anything relating to ms. clifford. trump's lawyer, michael cohen apparently got a temporary restraining order that would at least stop him from getting confide confidential. >> michael cohen has acknowledged publicly that he facilitated a payment of $130,000 from his own personal funds in accordance with this agreement. >> we think it's highly questionable as to whether it came from his personal funds. >> you think the president knew about it? >> there's no question the president knew about it. >> normally what you just heard there would just be a lawyer's argument, he's claiming that trump knew, and that's not the same as proving that trump knew. but being part of the campaign, michael cohen broke the rules to
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fund this particular payment for trump, in other words, he's got a problem either what i. and the stakes for this story goes beyond what is alleged between daniels and trump. tonight sewe're seeing two problems for donald trump combined in one case, donald trump as both a perpetrator and a potential victim. the idea of perpetrator, that he is taken to court with allegations of sexual conduct. that is him as a potential perpetrator. now consider him as a potential victim, the prospect that is alluded to here as a president that would with a potential victim of blackmail, of extortion, of yes, foreign compromise, this is a difficult and toxic circle to be tightening around a president who at this hour is also under
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criminal investigation for the research bob mueller is doing into an alleged international conspiracy. i'm joined by a very special panel, jacob weisberg, spoke to stormy daniels during the critical time that we're talking about. christina greer, a friend of the show, and shelby holiday, reporter for "the wall street journal," jim moray, not a friend of the show, just a great guy, of course wanted for "inside edition." and you're here as you had your first on camera interview with stormy damages earli daniels ea year. i will begin with you, jacob. based on everything you've reported in this story, what stands out to you in this filing? >> first i have noted that stormy daniels has been entirely consistent in her story.
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so what she told me, when i didn't know she was talking to anybody else in the summer and fall of 2016, matched perfectly what it turned out she had told "in touch" magazine five years earlier and it matches what she's saying now, so just from the basic point of credibility, i believe her story. >> you believe her? >> i do believe it happened the way she siz ays it happened. i don't believe anything donald trump is saying, what i'm not sure about, civil suits against a sitting president generally can't proceed. the paula jones case in the bill clinton example was -- >> there's an argument against this going forward, and that is that a president can't have their time taken up for suits, they're particular magnets for
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suits. and the court said something else, which is that sometimes presidents do have to sit for civil depositions and partake in these kinds of suits. >> and obviously there's something you've done in your personal life that's unrelated to being president and you can get sued for that. we have learned that michael cohen set up an llc, that his payment to stormy was flagged by the bank. the bank that received the payment had opened an investigation a year later, so there are questions as to whether a subpoena was servedor an investigator showed up. but in a politically weird way, and it may not be legal, they're bringing donald trump into a story that they're spending a lot of time saying donald trump is not part of this story. he didn't have an affair. >> you just hit it on the head.
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the old argument was there's nothing to see here, it didn't happen. the new argument appears to be something did happen and we won. >> if you're to believe the president and the white house, did michael cohen just go around paying people 130 grand because they had a fake story to tell? everyone would be going to this man and coming up with allegations. that just doesn't happen in the real world. it's not politically believable. >> there are a lot of things about donald trump that aren't politically believable. we do know that donald trump has interacted with characters across the entertainment spectrum for 30-some-odd years, so it's not unusual that he would have come
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daniels in a social setting. and he has not released his taxes and in this time sure that mueller is also interested in because it's financial dealings -- >> you're linking to the taxes, which is not a reach, you're linking to the fact that the entire donald trump experience is one of seeking attention, but not exposure, by which i mean, attention he can control for his spectacle, but not actually releasing the facts and the scrutiny that other candidates, other people usually do. >> but what he doesn't understand, and we have talked about this several times, this does not deal with the -- this is not actually an office that you can hide behind. the past, it feels like 12 years, the past 16 months that we have seen donald trump as president has been a consistent lie after lie, firings and
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hirings, and sarah huckabee sanders standing up and lying to the american public. >> it's only been 16 months? let me read to you the bob mueller piece of this, vis-a-vis michael cohen which we learned from sam nunberg that mueller's investigators are asking for investigation on, a russia friendly peace proposal for ukraine that was delivered to cohen by a ukrainian official. >> it does look like he was going beyond what a lawyer normally does. he was a kind of copo in the trump organization, and i use that term considerately. it looks like what happened here, if two of donald trump's character flaws have run into each other, he does bad things and pays people off, but he's
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also a cheapskate who doesn't pay his bills. if you're going to pay people off, you better pay them. this whole stormy daniels story surfaced because he wasn't paying her, he wasn't signing the agreement and he wasn't sending the check and at that point she thought he was going to leave her hanging like he's left contractors hanging in building projects all over the country. >> he was complaining that he hadn't been reimbursed for this payment. so there are questions as to whether this was really his money as he said it was. whether the candidate knew about it. >> damned if you do, damned if you don't, if you pay bralackma money, that's also bad and if you pay it yourself, that's also bad. >> cohen has now admitted to the payment but not admitting to the source of the payment, it was
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trump's money or it wasn't, it was cohen's money or it wasn't. that he facilitated a at the same time is classic lawyer speak for not saying whose money it was. i wonder if your analysis of that as someone who's been keeping an eye on the story, as well as playing back your interview with ms. daniels when she was dealing with what she called an -- >> have you been paid to keep quiet? have you signed a nondisclosure agreement. are you frustrated that you can't talk about these things? you're looking at me like you can't talk, i'm taking this that you can't say anything, is that accurate. i'm taking that as a yes. >> you're so pretty. >> jim, what did you learn? >> i learned she thought i was pretty. i learned why she wasn't talking in all honesty. i looked at this agreement and it's clear if she breaches the
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agreement, she got paid $130,000, but according to this agreement, she owes donald trump or bill denison $100,000 for each breach. i also went back to this agreement, and it does call for arbitration ex parte, you can seek exp parte relief if they think stormy daniels is about to talk. it's spelled out right here in the agreement, the question now also as to the signature, donald trump didn't sign, he could argue, well, wait a minute, i performed, i gave you $130,000 through my agent, through my attorney, so i've performed. there's so many layers to this and it's so fascinating. she also has a new lawyer now which speaks to her tack as to why she's attacking this now and not a month ago. but there's a lot of things to
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sift through. >> you're getting deep into the contractual language for arbitration and the signature argument would be week, as i have reported, that's just not where she's likely to win. but what do you think that there might be allegedly a lot more of these out there, can these all stay hidden? >> we know there's another one about jessica drake, that the new yorker reported on week before last. i don't know if that's as weak, because this is not because donald trump didn't sign, it was because donald trump was not willing to submit your name to the contract. if he didn't subm--- >> does it matter that the name is david denison? >> that doesn't have to matter. >> remember, john edwards, he didn't pay the money, but someone facilitated on his behalf.
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>> look, there's a lot here and we welcome all different parts of the debate, which is what we're getting, and it's probably not going away. jim moray? >> yes. >> you are as of this moment a friend of show, i thank you for coming on "the beat." up next, we're going to go live to capitol hill, my special interview with democratic senator cory booker, and he's got a very important thing to share with us. also the pace of the russia probe seems to be accelerating, what does mueller have planned for manafort tomorrow. and my exclusive interview on "the art of the deal" co-author on trump's management style and why he wants conflict. i'm ari melber and you're watching "the beat" on msnbc. feel the clarity of
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he helped donald trump get the one piece of economic legislation that he's done his entire administration and it is now according to clear evidence only benefitting the rich. democratic senator cory booker from new jersey. senator, thank you for being here. >> ari, it's great to be on your show, thank you for having me. >> you say the evidence shows that that tax bill is bad for working people, it benefits the 1%. what is your evidence? >> it also doubles down on suppressing wages in america and unfortunately all the benefits going to the highest earners that creates more income stratification. since the bill has gone into effect, corporations have announced 200 billion on buy backs and only 6% going to wages, and that's part of a larger trend in our society,
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that shifted from when my dad was working and now when i am. back in the day, the ceos incentives were to do what's best for the long-term strength of their company. average stock holds are a year, now average stock holds are eight months. because you have active investments and you have the ceo not acting for the long-term, but -- >> let me see if i understand the point you're making because it seems profound, and there are those that are playing their violins for cohn. you're saying the biggest thing that cohn did was pass this tax bill, and you're defining that to the are you saying that cohn made that worse? >> absolutely. when you put forth a tax bill where all the ben -- 84% of the benefits go to the top income earners in our country, and really goes to corporations and ceos who are making decisions not on what's the best interests
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of often their company but what's in the best interests of the next quarterly cycle, you have a problem. of all the stock in our country, over 80% is owned by the top 10%. this is where that benefit went, as opposed to targeting things that will make a difference for wage earners in this country, working folks in this nation, like the targeted tax credits and the child care tax credit. this was a horrible tax bill that was just going to double down on the trends that we're seeing. workers in america have a 60-year low in terms of earnings and that's a trend lower that's bad. >> part one is facts that seem to agree with the argument you're making and part two is maybe a problem with democratic
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messaging and people who agree with the point. as you say, these so-called stock buy backs are most likely to worsing inequality and we have the richest americans -- and yet you look at this political fact here, we see the support for that very tax bill rising up to a high now of 39% in this month. now that certainly means that most folks are against it. but the facts of this political equation is that the democrats are not getting the message out about this bill, or what do you make of that? >> the politics,let put that aside. i came to washington to fix things, and i see a very different economy from my dad's age to now because of this tax bill decision, more and more powerful interests using their lobbying and influence of money of citizens united to -- i'm not
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just talking about lower income americans, i'm talking about all ages of americans. i see them selling their tax plan, i see the millions of dollar that is's that they're lt what's going on. but stock buy backs and dividend payments, only $6 billion, 3% going to workers. that's why i'm going to push legislation that if you want those stock buy backs, you have to have a workers commensurate increase. >> and senator, on the mueller probe, last question to you, when you see the president under scrutiny for potential obstruction and the way he's treated the d.c.oj and the fbi,d then you see his former aides like sam nunberg saying th ing
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defied the president -- >> the leadership really stems from the top and we have seen the way that the president has been attacking the justice department, attacking high level officials, to attacking jeff sessions, who i have no apologies for, but you see how he's treating the rule of law and he's setting the standards of his administration and a lot of the things we're saying is reflective of the person at the top. so we're in a crisis of american government right now, where you see very important institutions that the founders knew about from the attacks on the media and the first amendment rights to the attacks on the rule of law, and this is all stemming from the dangerous rhetoric and the dangerous decisions that are being made in the white house that really have me worried about the institutional strength of our country, which is exactly what the russians have been trying to do, undermining our faith in america, and undermining our faith in truth
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and that's what we should all be working against. >> thank you for being on the beat tonight. up ahead, mueller's probe eyeing the inner circle, new clues about who he's targeting. and we have news on that former trump aide, what he's now saying about the subpoena and why it matters. and the co-author of "the art of the deal" back on the beat when he said this. >> i think he's in a rage right now. i think he's in a rage most of all about mueller, because mueller stands to really topple the whole building, but that notion that he's a con man, believe me, that's deep inside what he knows himself to be. >> tony is here live. we'll talk mueller and a new theory he has about where trump's support comes from and why it's in danger, that's next. in the eastern united states supported by innovative packaging
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barreling forward. if it seems like it's picking up, it is. see where the investigation is heading. >> the united arab emirates and the trump campaign are cooperating with special counsel mueller. >> about incidents involving michael cohen, the president's personal attorney. >> are you concerned that mr. mueller hasn't subpoenaed you, hasn't asked you for an interview? >> i would be glad to answer his questions and i believe my emails, based on that "new york times" story already been reviewed. >> sam nunberg says he will now comply with mueller. he says he will testify to this grand jury on friday and hand over all communications with trump and roger stone and those other officials on the list. former trump campaign manager paul manafort also in court tomorrow to face some of those new charges mueller added.
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i'm joined by maya wiley, who's here with mr. nunberg, and bill crystal, editor-in-chief of the weekly standard. what we have learned in the last three days about what mueller is focused on? >> it's been a very busy three days, and mueller, the fact that he's following the money and influence has gotten him one step closer to donald trump. >> that's clear to you? >> that's clear. >> why do you subpoena nunberg? they're tightening the screws on nunberg. and what's the point of nunberg? to get to roger stone. it's clear from nunberg's statement that he would do anything for roger stone. and roger stump was donald trump's closest advisor and
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stone was also paul manafort's partner back in the day. so stone, manafort, flynn, it strikes me that he's made quite a lot of are grprogress. >> you know if you look at what paul manafort was doing, he was working with roger stone taking all foreign clients that literally no one else would take. as a person who openly bragged about his link to julian assange, who's now caught up in the potential russian plot. take a look. >> first of all, i think julian assange is a hero. i think he's taking on the deep state, both republican and democrat. i expect you're going to see more from mr. assange, who again i think is a hero. we have a mutual acquaintance
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who is a fine gentleman. i happen to be one that thinks that assange is a hero. >> so wikileaks, one of the crimes was obviously stealing emails from the dna, tony podesta, stone may have had some knowledge about that before hand, he may have communicated that to trump. that whole russian nexxus, stone will be more central to this piece as people might have thought. >> and a person in a situation he was, who was at this stable two nights ago. and think about him and him revealing on this show that they want him in the juwitness box democraciand they want him for the purposes of stone. he did not know about russia
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sanctions, but he's the aid to roger stone, his mentor as he complae explained. and that's now explained -- >> i definitely know my father doesn't like it. and my father is one of my co-couns co-counsels. >> i know your family wants you home for thanksgiving. and i hope you will testify. >> isn't this ridiculous? >> it's not ridiculous, sam. it's so not clouridiculous. >> that was the moment that led to mr. nunberg saying this, but this is what he said, according to the reporting in the "washington post," maya wiley is very, very smart, she made a case for me that they have to do this for their investigation, and it was a fair point, and he says publicly because of part of what he learned from you and thinking about your fair point, he decided to comply. >> yeah.
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i mean i'm humbled by this statement and i have been particularly humbled by the outpouring, particularly from viewers, about this country getting back to a place of hue mi miltie and humanity. i think that the fact that sam nunberg is a lawyer himself, the facts were pretty straight forward from his own presentation of what was going on. i think the fact that, as i had said to him at the time that he was uncomfortable potentially helping to string up roger stone is, as you said, ari really the crux of it. roger stone is a person who has appeared on russian-english language propaganda television even before the campaign. his ties to russia are very
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deep. so the fact that they're going after roger stone is not really that surprising, particularly when you start to follow the money. >> although i'm out of time, i know that, and i have discussed this with mr. nunberg, but he was removed from the campaign over this racial hate speech. your view on the way you -- the way he thought of your advice in the context of that history? >> well, as i said and i am extremely humbled to have grown up in a family that taught me that despite the way people treat black people in america, that what is most important is that we are able to see the humanity in each other. and the intelligence and the capacity of people who are black in this country and that's something i think this administration needs to learn and i'm certainly happy that mr. nunberg has recognized that. >> maya wiley and bill kristol, thank you both. i want to turn to a conversation between -- consider that
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russia's intelligence chiefs said they will continue to try their meddling online, but also said they don't have much of a policy or much of a plan. >> i don't think the progress has been made quick enough to put us in a position that we have a firm policy. we don't have a plan in place that we have agreed on to be the policy of the united states. >> and if they do that, that puts more pressure on these tech companies to stand up. can they do it? twitter ceo jack dorsey said that twitter has a problem with fake news, and they have become a platform of manipulation through bots, he says he's not proud of what happened, but he's working to fix it. thanks for being on the show. why did it take this person who has the job you used to hold so long to get to admitting this problem? >> well, i think that the company has acknowledged the
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issue in the past. what i like about what jack did at the end of the week last week was instead of continuing to just respond to requests or respond to media inquiries, going out and publicly being forthright about acknowledging the issue, acknowledging the extent of the issue, and then secondly, and i think even more importantly, embracing the idea that they will work with a number of research institutions and collaborate with them to attack the problem. much in the same way -- >> let's look at what does that, and i don't mean to interrupt you, but it's so important. the help, let me read from what mr. dorsey said, we are looking to partner with outside experts to provide us help and to keep us accountable. and we found that this program is launching to battle fake news, and he will then get paid he hopes by companies like
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twitter. how do you outsource your own standards, though, as a company? >> the way i look at this is, he's approaching it in the way a research institution, like a university would approach a difficult technical challenge. they're collaborating with other -- they clollaborate with other universities. jack realized that as good as his anti-spam and security people are, there are some other research institutions that can bring a perspective and a point of view and probably some robust an lalytics into the solution i that twitter itself won't have. and if you're dealing with state actors like russia, who have enormous and sophisticated resources to bring to bear on the attack, you need to be working and collaborating on the solution. >> i appreciate the point there, you like your annalytics, like
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you like you merlot, robust. the question of whether they're willing to give up money, are you willing to change the business model on what you promote. because you and i have discussed this on the air and off. we have discussed the fact that if the conspiracy theorys are profitable and the foreign junk is profitable, it's very hard to get these companies to change, no? >> i disagree with that. i think you and i have talked about publicly before. if jack could snap his fingers and make this problem go away, they would. >> would he do it for a billion? >> it's not a question of money. >> would he give up a billion dollars, he's running a company with stockholders, no? >> i think that the issue costs the company an enormous amount of time amend energy to fight it. it's a challenge that takes them away from other things they
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would rather be prioritizing. if they could snap their fingers and make this go away they would. >> honestly, do you think donald trump would be president if there were no twitter? >> i don't think there's any way you can answer that definitively one way or the other. twitter was one of the many platforms that he and the party used to get their message out there? >> do you think it's more likely that he won? >> i think that is obviously his platform of choice for communicating with the world. >> your careful dogged approach to questions is what makes you what, a tech entrepreneur and a -- >> it's what makes me unemployed. >> and an executive in this business. dick, we reach out to a lot of people right in that san francisco community behind you and you're one of the ones who's willing to come on and we greatly appreciate it. up next, he's known donald trump intimately for three decades, he says mueller could end trump's presidency and he says he knows why donald trump
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oh, they didn't pay the electric bills. oh, i like that much better. oh, that's so much better. those lights were brutal. are they come from the dishonest press? oh, don't turn them on. forget it. better, right? >> something that would embarrass any speaker and i've been up at podiums, if the lights go out and they're in the dark, that's kind of tough to deal with, but he turns it in the crowd. i'm going to show you the next moment, the excitement builds as he leads people in a chant that's literally about nothing. >> i won't pay the rent so we get better lighting, and we don't pay the rent, right, right? no get those lights off! off! turn them off, they're too bright. turn them off. let's go, turn off the lights! turn off the lights! turn off the lights! turn them off! >> turn off the lights!
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turn off the lights! turn off the lights! [ cheers and applause ] >> so much nicer. no, no, that's the way we have to negotiate for our country. >> i'm joined by tony schwartz, co-author of "art of the dealde and "a businessman." what does it tap into the larger anxiety that we see in the country? >> i think trump has been an instinctively but masterful exploiter of people's fear. and the thing about fear, which i think is the dominant emotion in our country right now, and i mean this for trump supporters, as i do for trump opponents. the problem with fear, or the value of fear if you're somebody who's trying to exploit it is that it shuts down the
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prefrontal cortex. >> on that let me show you one more thing. take a look at this. >> i know bob mueller, i know that whole team, and they're in the right, and they probably have something on trump, trump did something pretty bad. >> what do they have? >> i have no idea. but they have something. >> do you think they were more interested in trump related to the criminal hacking that occ occurred in which we know there were stolen emails? >> i think they're interested in something with his business. >> that was an interesting moment for trump about someone about his business and his exposure. but i think he's talking about this -- you say fear is come napt rig dominant right now, what do you mean by that? >> we're living in a world where you take this rise of authoritarianism, you get climate change, you get the nuclear threat. you get companies that are dealing with being disrupted in ways that threaten their future,
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artificial intelligence which threatening everybody's jobs. it's a pretty fearful atmosphere, and what happens with fear is it essentially shuts down the prefrontal cortex. this is how it works because it's physiological. you feel the fear, and the first thing that happens that your visionary r vision narrows so you only see that. and your prefrontal cortex shuts down because the fear makes us smaller. at precisely the time we need to be bigger. the fear makes us simpler, when the world is more complex. >> and is that what's happening outside of us? or is that really what happens
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inside of us that some of us are just more inclined to reach for that. >> that's a really good distinction. i would say legitimately have reason to be fearful now, you're almost being crazy, if you're not somewhat fearful. the question is how much that fear dominates you and that's happening inside. the degree to which we can manage that fear, the degree to which you can sort out the stories you're being told and the stories you tell yourself from a more reasonable perspective on things is the difference in how well you can manage in the world. >> uh-huh. and so, as donald trump uses that, does that come from the fact that he's a master manipulato manipulator, or does it come from the fact that he himself has a lot of fear. >> i think he is -- it's both. he's deeply fear driven. that's really at the heart of it. what's he fearful of? because this is the heart of the issue. what he's fearful of is that he's worthless.
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what he's fearful is that there's no there there. he's a bit of a black hole. he's not that different from most of us, he's just more extreme. all of us are an inordinate amount of energy trying to cover up. that is where the fear comes from. that feeling that you don't matter. >> wow. so briefly, do you think he's the president with the worst case of imposter syndrome in history? >> you know, i'm not an expert in presidents. but he's -- but he is the -- he's the worst case of imposter syndrome that i've ever experienced. and it gives us an opportunity to recognize that turning our own attention inside is a critical part of being able to thrive in a world that's beset by fear. >> when you put it that way, that's part of the work you do now, that is so important. you're tapping into do you echo
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the problem you see in the world or do you find the antidote which i would love for you come back and us more about that. >> i run a company, the energy project, that helps leaders and organizations manage their internal life better. that's actually -- that is what came out of my experience with trump. >> it's there. tony, thank you. tony swartz. we always love something. what is stormy daniels suing the president over? when we come back. table. and serve with confidence that it's safe. this is a diamond you can follow from mine to finger, and trust it never fell into the wrong hands. this is a shipment transferred two hundred times, transparently tracked from port to port. this is the ibm blockchain, built for smarter business. built to run on the ibm cloud.
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