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eastern on my show "the beat" with ari melber. something important right now. stormy daniels's attorney is about to appear live on "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." which sounds interesting. good evening. >> good evening. you have to text me your questions for stormy daniels's lawyer. >> i'll do it. >> i have some but i need more right now. >> i'll do that right now. >> thank you. we'll get to that. but first the big question of the night is, has the president been trying to obstruct justice by interfering with witnesses in the special prosecutor's investigation. president trump, we all remember, was turned down by all of the best washington lawyers when he went shopping for a criminal defense lawyer to deal with the special prosecutor's investigation and congressional investigations. the best lawyers turned donald
trump down because of his public reputation of not doing what his lawyers tell him to do and not paying his bills. tonight we have more ed of just how right those lawyers were of donald trump when they turned him down. the president keeps doing things that lawyers normally don't have to advise their clients not to do. like attacking the federal prosecutor who is investigating him and attacking the justice department and the fbi because they are investigating him. it wouldn't occur to lawyers to tell their clients do not attack the prosecutors or the lawyers or the fbi. but it does occur to every lawyer, ever lawyer, to tell their clients not to talk about the case with anyone, especially not to talk about the case with other potential witnesses and people involved in the case. but donald trump has done that, and he has done that repeatedly and that is tonight's breaking
news story in the "new york times." which cary it is headline, trump spoke to witnesses about matters they discussed with special counsel. the "new york times" reports on the president's reaction after the times published an article in january that white house counsel don mcgahn told special prosecutor that the president had asked him to fire the special prosecutor, robert mueller. after that story became public, the times reports, the president told an aide that the white house council, don mcgahn ii should issue a statement denying the "new york times" article. they also said he asked how reince priebus's interview was with the special prosecutor. it contains a detailed description of how the president tried to get don mcgahn to change his story. this would amount to changing his testimony. it and shows how the president deliberately involved other
white house staff, including white house chief of staff john kelly, in the president's attempt to get don mcgahn to change his testimony. one of the staff members who did the president's bidding in this episode was john kelly's favorite staff member and hope hicks boyfriend, rob porter, who has since left the white house after it was revealed that his two former wives both accused him of domestic abuse. the "new york times" reports rob porter told mr. mcgahn that the president wanted him to release a statement saying that the story was not true. mr. porter who resigned last month amid a domestic abuse scandal told mr. mcgahn that the president suggested that he might get rid of mr. mcgahn if he chose not to challenge the article the people briefed on the conversation said. mr. mcgahn did not publicly deny
the article and the president later confronted him in the white house office, in front of the chief of staff, john kelly, according to the people, the president said he never ordered mr. mcgahn to fire the special counsel, mr. mcgahn replied that the president was wrong and he had, in fact, asked him in june to call the deputy attorney general, rod rosenstein, to tell him that the special counsel had a series of conflicts that disqualified him from overseeing the investigation and he had to be dismissed. the president told mr. mcgahn that he did not remember the discussion that way. so there you have the president of the united states, in the oval office, using white house chief of staff as a witness to that conversation where the president told don mcgahn that he did not remember ordering the firing of the special prosecutor. john kelly was not yet what the white house chief of staff when
the president ordered the firing of the special prosecutor. and so, donald trump was trying to turn john kelly into a witness after the fact. and john kelly willingly participated in that conversation where don mcgahn reminded the president of the president's order to fire the special prosecutor, and the president said, i don't remember it that way. john kelly willingly stood there, according to this account, without objection as the president tried to change the testimony of a witness in the special prosecutor's investigation. the president tried to convince don mcgahn that the president did not say what don mcgahn says the president said. for this and so many other moments of failure in the role of white house chief of staff john kelly's only defense is that he is unfit for the job, completely unqualified to be a white house chief of staff. if john kelly knew how to do his job and knew how to do it with
honor, he would not have allowed that conversation to take place or participated in it. if john kelly knew how to do his job and knew how to do it with honor, he would not have allowed his favorite staffer, rob porter, to convey the president's wish that don mcgahn change his story and accompany it with a threat. convey the president's threat that don mcgahn might get fired, that the president might get rid of don mcgahn if don mcgahn did not change his story about the president ordering the firing of the special prosecutor. and so tonight john kelly sinks to a new low, taking his spot now in the thick of the special prosecutor's investigation. and now rob porter is in the thick of it too passing along the president's threat to the white house counsel. also tonight "the washington post" has the breaking news that
the special counsel has gathered evidence just before the inauguration of the president was an effort to establish a back channel between the incoming administration and the kremlin apparently contradicting statements made to lawmakers by one of the participants. a witness has told mueller that the meeting was set up in advance so that the representative of the trump transition could meet to discuss future relations between the countries. joining us now paul butler, natasha bertrand, and sam stein is with us. paul butler, i want to go to this scene in the oval office where you hear the president of the united states talking to don mcgahn about a story that's
emerged in the "new york times" a about what don mcgahn has told the special prosecutor. and there we see in that moment the president trying to get don mcgahn to change his story. >> yeah. so the impression is that the president is trying to coach witnesses to relay the president's version of events. even if the president's version of events is a lie. so there's a crime called witness tamperring. what we've heard so far probably doesn't rise to that level because witness tampers requires some kind of threat or intimidation. what the president did though is more evidence of obstruction of justice. like he tried to -- or did fire james comey, if he's trying to get witnesses to come around to his version, that counts as trying to impede a investigation, trying to derail the investigation, and it also
creates the impression that the president is hiding something. so it's what lawyers call consciousness of guilt. and finally, lawrence, as you said at the outset, his lawyers have to be saying, mr. president, please don't talk about the case with anybody. and so, he's the world's worst client for a lawyer because he does not listen and that's not in his best interests. >> and natasha bertrand, we now know that john kelly is a person of interest to the special prosecutor, who's going to want to know exactly what he heard the president say in that conversation that was just described in the "new york times" and what he heard don mcgahn say, rob porter also now has to be a witness, telling the special prosecutor everything that the president said to him to convey to don mcgahn, including the possible threat of getting fired. >> right. and one of the biggest reasons why it's such a big problem for the president to be kind of venting about the russia investigation to his aides in the oval office is that it
creates more legal exposure for him because these are just more witnesses that can then tell mueller if they're called in to be interviewed by him about what the president is saying and his state of mind when he did these things and state of mind is the most important thing when you're trying to figure out whether someone has attempted to obstruct justice. if this entire episode had happened in a vacuum and donald trump was just complaining about something that he thought he remembered differently in terms of mcgahn's testimony to mueller, then perhaps you could give him the benefit of the doubt. but when you take this in conjunction with everything else we've seen from this president, asking his cia director, the director of national intelligence to put pressure on the intelligence community to drop the case into michael flynn, venting and erupting at his attorney general for recusing himself in the russia investigation and firing fbi director james comey back in may
then it starts to create a pattern that you can't ignore. >> sam stein, the -- as the mueller witness list expands almost daily when we get accounts like this, of course, this adds to this legal jeopardy that every member of the white house staff seems to be experiencing every day, and that is the possibility of donald trump can send you on an errand across the hall to tell don mcgahn this and suddenly that's going to cost you tens of thousands of dollars, at minimum, in legal fees dealing with this investigation. >> and we sort of had the real life illustration of the emotional psychological toll that can take a few nights ago when sam nunberg went on a cable news rant and said he wasn't going to produce e-mails. part of that was the cost, it's prohibitive. we're talking tens of thousands of dollars, and for aides who
aren't making a lot of money already by the fact they're in public service, that is a costly endeavor. it's part of the reason why trump is having so much trouble hiring people is they don't want to expose themselves legally. i want to add one, it may seem simple and a nonsophisticated analysis here, but what struck me about this story is just how easy and simply these people lie. what donald trump did, essentially, was he told don mcgahn go lie. go lie. either that or donald trump lost his memory about their conversation. and what eric prince did to members of congress, he lied. that meeting wasn't for a back channel, i happened to be having a beer and there was an russia ambassador there, and a separate witness for the mueller probe says no that's a lie. maybe i would be naive to think it's normal but it's remarkable
how cavalier these people are about the truth. >> i want to go to the ease of their lying. but first i want to listen to what eric prince actually said. this is in a sense a version of what he told the house committee, that these new reports tonight are disproving. let's listen to eric prince's description of what happened in the seashells in those meetings. >> i met him in a bar, chatted for 20 or 30 minutes and that was that. >> but why should you meet him? you were in the seashells, why should you meet that russian guy? what was the reason to meet him. >> they said it was someone he had done business with before and an interesting guy to know. so i had a beer with him. i don't know if he had a beer. he probably had vodka. >> but in that meeting -- >> and after that, i had no contact with him or any of his colleagues at all. >> and, paul butler, the reports
tonight indicate no this meeting that eric prince participated in was deliberately set up and scheduled exactly as it unfolded before he got there. >> so prince lied about the purpose of the meeting, he lied about who set it up and he lied about who else was there. so what robert mueller is doing now is subpoenaing e-mail travel records, if he can prove, which he can that george nader is at the meeting, mr. nader is cooperating with him, then he's caught prince in a lie. we know that special prosecutor mueller has a bad attitude about people lying to investigators. we look at people charged with crimes, people who pled guilty, we have flynn, papadopoulos, and gates all pled guilty to lying to the government. so prince might very well be next. >> natasha, the new details about this meeting, where does that lead now in this
investigation? >> well, it's going to help mueller establish even in a stronger sense whether or not and to what extent, the trump transition team and later the administration and, of course, earlier the campaign was trying to create back channels to russia. we still don't know necessarily why that is, but this meeting is very, very important. and the fact that george nader, who's this lebanese-american businessman with extensive ties in the middle east, a fixture in washington d.c. the last couple of decade, the fact he was there and representing the emrates is telling. because they've known each other since 2003, well over a decade. and the fact that eric prince felt the need to fly all the way to that island just to meet with someone and people that he was with, emirate officials he was
with, who he could have easily met with in the uae where prince lives just stretches all kre credulity. there must have been another reason for him to fly to the seashells. natasha gets the last word. thank you and paul butler for joining us. sam stein please stick around. stormy daniels is suing president trump and president trump and his lawyer are doing everything they can to keep stormy daniels quiet. and strangely enough, donald trump has never denied anything that stormy daniels has had to say about him. we will see if stormy daniels' lawyer knows why. that's next. ear sarah climbs 58,007 steps. that's the height of mount everest. because each day she chooses to take the stairs. at work, at home...
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the two people who the president of the united states seems to fear the most are vladimir putin and stormy daniels. and it may be that stormy daniels is one of the reasons that donald trump fears vladimir putin so much if putin's agents have been searching for information with which to blackmail donald trump for some years now, there would be no reason to limit their interest to what donald trump might or might not have done in moscow hotel rooms. so it may be that vladimir putin knew much more about stormy
daniels and donald trump and before we did. tonight we know a lot more thanks to stormy daniels's lawsuit against donald j. trump, aka david denison and that is how the lawsuit reads and that has donald trump and his lawyers all the more worried. nbc news reported today michael cohen is trying to silence adult film star stormy daniels obta obtaining a secretary restraining order and warning she faces penalties if she discusses her relationship with the president. stormy daniels is suing to void an agreement. an agreement she signed to present her from ever revealing any information about her relationship and donald trump. she signed that agreement 11 days before the election in 2016. in 2011, she gave an interview to in touch weekly which they
did not then publish in which she described some of the details of having sex with donald trump in lake tahoe that occurred a few weeks after milan natrump gave birth to their son. she said she asked him about his wife and she said, oh, don't worry about her. she also said this, the sex was nothing crazy. he wasn't like chain me to a bed or anything. it was one position. i can definitely describe his junk perfectly if i have to. he seemed submiten after that, he was like i want to see you again, when can i see you again. stormy daniels's lawsuit claims that her confidentiality agreement has been breached by michael cohen when cohen told the "new york times" in a private transaction in 2016 i used my own personal funds to facilitate a payment of $130,000
to ms. stephanie clifford, beneathter trump organization or the trump campaign was party to the transaction and neither reimbursed me for the claim. they also say it's void because president trump never signed it in the space for the signature of david denison. today the press secretary said this. >> the president has addressed this directly and made very well clear that none of these allegations are true. this case has already been won in arbitration and anything beyond that i would refer you to the president's outside counsel. >> you said there's arbitration that's already been won by whom and by when? >> by the president's personal attorneys for details on that i would refer you to them. >> for details we turn to stormy
daniels's attorney. thank you for joining us tonight. ip to get your reaction to what the white house press secretary just said there. >> how do i say this kindly? nonsense. absolute nonsense. i personally like ms. sanders i think she has a near impossible job but the fact of the matter is -- i'm confident she didn't know it was nonsense when she effectively told that to the world. but it's absolutely bogus. it's nonsense. any claim by the administration that donald trump won in arbitration is no different than me claiming i won the super bowl a few weeks ago. it's complete hooey. >> i read the arbitration order today. it's a temporary order that's super ceded by your lawsuit which includes that as one of the thing that is your lawsuit is being brought against -- >> well, let me just interrupt you if i could.
it's more simple than that. if you look at the temporary restraining order, there's one party adverse to pp, which is my client, which is ec. that's the entity that mr. cohen set up to facilitate the payment -- to hide the payment, at least that's our position. donald trump is not even a party to the arbitration. how can you win an arbitration that you're not even a party to? it's impossible. and if there's one thing we know from the last five or six weeks, it's that -- and if there's one thing that mr. cohen has made absolutely clear in his statements to the wall street journal and the "new york times" and anyone who would loose is that ec is different than donald trump. if it's different for the purposes of the payment it's different for purposes of the ash frarbitratio arbitration. you can't win something you're not a party to.
>> did stormy daniels tell intouch magazine the details of her relationship with donald trump. >> absolutely. if she's provided a forum to tell her story, the american people are going to decide she's telling the truth. that's what this is about, this is about my clienteling her story, telling her version of the events and let the chips fall where they may. let the american people decide who's telling the truth. is it stormy daniels shooting straight with them or donald trump? is it stormy daniels or michael cohen? is it stormy daniels or ms. sanders? we're confident in the outcome were that to take place. >> stormy daniels's story is she had sex with donald trump, she described that in some detail in the in touch interview. donald trump, to my knowledge, has never contradicted stormy daniels. he's never attacked her. this is the one person, the one
w woman who has come out and stood in donald trump's way, for some reason he seems to be afraid of her. can you give us any insight as to why donald trump remains absolutely silent about stormy daniels? this is the one woman he refuses to attack. >> the truth hurts. and i think really that's what it comes down to. this is a search for the truth. and quite honestly, if he doesn't have anything to hide, i don't understand what the issue is. that old saying that people that have nothing to hide, hide nothing. >> let's talk about some of the things the signed agreement was trying to hide. one of the things it specifies is that stormy daniels was agreeing to completely divest herself and it lists a bunch of things, including video images, still images or any other type of creation by david denison, meaning any video images or still images created by donald
trump. did she have any video images or still images created by donald trump? >> that's a question i'm not going to answer. that's a question my client will answer at the appropriate time if she's ever permitted to talk and give her side of the story. >> it says at another point in the agreement that stormy daniels represents that she has actually turned over such things. there's a line that says she represents that the only copy of the images and property that has ever existed at any time has been turned over to donald trump's counsel. are you aware of her having turned over anything like that, images, to donald trump's counsel? >> again, lawrence, this is a question that's going to have to be addressed to my client at the appropriate time and she's going to be prepared to answer. >> there's just one other detail of what they were trying to hide in this confidentiality agreement i want to go over with
you. i want to read it for the audience. this is something that's their definition of confidential information. it includes all private information relating to or pertaining to donald trump, including business information, familial information, any of his alleged sexual partners, alleged sexual actions, or alleged sexual conduct related matters or paternity information. are you aware of your client having anything to say about paternity information involving donald trump? >> again, lawrence, when my client is provided the opportunity to speak freely and honestly and openly to the american people, i don't think she's going to hold back. i think she's going to tell the truth and nothing but the truth and we're going to let the american people decide who's telling the truth. >> can you give us an outline of what you're expecting with the next legal steps here. >> i wasn't expecting ms.
sanders' statement at the white house, which was false. so it's an interesting ride dealing with the administration. we don't know what to anticipate. here's what we'd like to anticipate. what we'd like to see. this case boils down to a few basic question, it is this simple, number one, did the president know of the negotiation, the agreement, the payment of the $130,000, and the issues relating to our client. that's number one. that can be answered in less than 140 characters. it's either yes or no. it's very straightforward. second question. did donald trump sign the agreement, yes or no. answers to those two questions is really going to frame this law enforceme lawsuit and decide a lot in connection with this case. it doesn't have to drag on for a period of time. he never signed the agreement, even though he knew about it, tlfrp r therefore she's free to speak. if the white house or mr. cohen
has any evidence that he signed the agreement, they should be dissim nating it tonight. let's get it out there. find out if he actually signed the agreement. and at some point, at some point, lawrence, the president of the united states needs to answer the very basic questions relating to his relationship with ms. daniels. he needs to do so just like bill clinton did, just like gary hart did, just like countless other politicians have done over the last 30 years, period. >> i guarantee you viewers are tweeting your questions to donald trump right now. we'll see if you get the answers that way. >> it's been a long day, and suffice it to say i'm not going to be holding my breath zbr thank you for joining us. appreciate you sticking with us and staying with us this late. >> thank you. >> donald trump has set a record. he's fired more people and had more people quit on him in his
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so you don't hit them when you dig. call 811 before you dig, and make sure that you and your neighbors are safe. joining our discussion now ned price, former senior director and spokesperson for the security council and sam stein is still with us. i wanted to talk about what we just heard in terms of the security clearance circus that we've seen in this white house. just imagine donald trump having been selected to be secretary of
commerce in another republican administration and he went through the security clearance, the background check that the fbi would go through. and we know now the kinds of things they would have come across, but let's just talk about this. they come across this confidentiality agreement with stormy daniels about the existence of all this possible imagery and video and questions of paternity all of these things buried into a confidentiality agreement, what would be the fbi's reaction with that background check? >> i don't think donald trump would have made it that far. first he would have had to turn over his tax returns, something he would have been loathe to do. so that would have eliminated him right there. but were he to make it past that step, lawrence, what investigators look for when they're determining suitability for a security clearance is leverage, whether there's any
party that could have leverage over that individual in a high level government job. typically that is level rrage o the part of a foreign government, does someone have foreign assets, interesting that would make him or her su sesable. and clearly donald trump, if these allegations are true, there are people who clearly have what seem to be a lot of leverage over him. we may not know the full extent given some of the details that you read from that gag order that leave more questions than answers. >> it seems in this one case that donald trump and the white house are using the classic play book of scandal management which is don't say anything about it, hope that other news will overtake it and don't say anything that keeps it alive. so that's one theory by which
donald trump has refused to say a single word about stormy daniels. but this is the very same guy who attacks every other woman who comes out and says anything about him. >> i'm glad you came to me. my major in journalism school was the legal machinations of nondisclosure agreements involving porn actresses so this is up my alley. i think what's happening is there's not much for him to say. if you step back and say would your lawyer, in this case michael cohen, sign a nondisclosure agreement of $130,000, without tell you, just forking over his money, the answer is no. thinking about this practically, it seems that donald trump knew about this, be the reason he's not saying anything, if he were to say something, something bad would happen. so he's showing discipline, which is news because he usually
can't help himself. i think the alternative options are bad. and there are other things overtaking this, as juicy as the story is, there are more legitimate scandals here that the president is dealing with. >> ned, that is the tricky thing about these situations. it seemed, at various points that the whitewater investigation was about what the media perceived to be more serious things that paula jones' accusations against bill clinton but it was her accusation that is did the most damage. >> that's right. and there are parallels to what we see in the mueller probe. you have to remember this investigation was predicated on the allegation there may have been collusion between members of the trump campaign and the russians. but there's a little clause in the directive that rod rosenstein gave to bob mueller and it said he has the authority
to investigator any ancillary matters. matters attendant to the core investigation here. and while we don't know a lot of what bob mueller is doing, we've certainly seen a lot of reporting that seems credible about his investigation into donald trump's finances, into donald trump's overseas business deals into those of his societies. so this investigation is moving in any number of ways, and on top of that you have donald trump's efforts to obstruct bob mueller's investigation. and that may be one of the straws that breaks this president's back. >> you've seen other interviews with michael that i wasn't the first one to ask him does stormy daniels have videos, does she have photographs, what does she have, so he's not in a position to answer that now, but that's a question that could be put to the white house, because in this confidentiality agreement, it says that she is ordered to hand
over what they call video images and still images and then it says she has already handed over some images. so a very simple question to the trump side of this, to michael cohen, to the white house, what images did you get from stormy daniels? what videos did you get from stormy daniels? >> if the question were to be asked, my theory would be that the white house would punt all of this off to cohen or just assume they are not going to say anything about it because there are some legal prohibitions from him talking about it, but it's a totally legitimate question to ask. and i think it's fair to say, at least tonight, that we're heading to a place where there's going to be enough political pressure and perhaps enough legal room to maneuver for those images, texts, whatever they are, to actually be made public. i've no idea what's in those texts, i don't know, i can't even message what's in those texts, i'm curious.
but it was only a couple weeks ago we assumed the story would die and then "the washington post" broke it open. so i assume there's going to be a couple more chapters. >> i didn't say much about the stormy daniels story when it started to break in, i don't know, the first couple weeks now, that's unusual that we would be this far down the road of a trump scandal and it's only now getting a significant amount of coverage in this hour because usually these things are overtaken by the next trump scandal, and that's apparently what they were betting on. this one has a life to it that is a bit surprising. >> well, it has a life to it that's surprising. and when you take a step back and look from affair where we are, this is a scandal involving the president of the united states with a massive payoff -- or what appears to be a payoff, i should say to a prostitute with whom he allegedly had an
affair. the payoff was okfacilitated by his attorney. and it's just starting to percolate, weeks later after it came out, this is just starting to gain traction. i can't imagine that being the case in any other administration, and i think you're right in some ways the administration has benefitted from the fact that there's a scandal dajour on most cases. they benefitted from the fact that if you wait long enough the next shiny object will come. unfortunately for them this shiny object has not gone away and it seems like it's starting to heat up. >> and michael cohen is in his own kind of trouble in the new york state bar. in the lawsuit it's pointed out it's violation of 1.4 of the new york rules of professional conduct for a lawyer to not pass on offers of settlement to a
client or to reach a settlement without informing the compliali without the client's consent, all of that is in here and michael cohen is claiming he was doing all of that in what would be the violation of lawyers' rules in these cases. >> this gets to your last question, why has this thing persisted as a story to the fact we're talking about it three weeks or a month later. the truth is it's the handling of michael cohen. first he came out refused to deny anything, say anything happened. then casually said he set up an entity in delaware for the payoff. and now we're seeing documents that call it out from start to finish. until michael cohen gets his story straight we'll be asking questions. >> we didn't get to ask the questions about people getting fired or quitting the white house -- >> you have a porn star scandal.
>> i have a feeling if michael cohen was a white house staffer he would be on rachel's big board of getting kicked out. thank you very much. >> thank you. >>. they said it couldn't be done. but the kids have done it. on the first day back the kids of marjory stoneman douglas high school won a victory on the guns in the overwhelmingly republican florida legislature. that story is next.
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the kids are moving the mountain. today on the first full day of classes at marjory stoneman douglas high school since the valentine's day mass murder there, the florida house of representatives actually did something today on gun safety. they did something. the overwhelming republican florida house overwhelming republican florida house of representatives by a vote of 67 to 50 passed a bill that imposes a three-day waiting period for most purchases of long guns and raises that minimum age for purchasing thoeds thosing weapons in florida from 18 to 21. and also provides $100 million to improve school security. none of that would have happened without the protests led by the students of stoneman douglas
high and also today, the trump secretary of education visited the stoneman douglas high school but did not allow reporters to cover her visit to the school. ally tweeted, do something unexpected, answer our questions. you came to our school for publicity and avoided our questions for the 90 minute gs you were here. how do you do your job? never again. do your job? she spoke to reporters after leaving the high school when she stopped at a hotel. >> let's be clear. arming steefrteachers is an ove simplificati simplification. for those schools that opt to do this as they have in texas and polk county and other places around the country, to have
people who are expert in being able to defend and having lots and lots of training in order to do so. >> joining us now is david hogg hp he is a survivor of the atta marjory stoneman douglas high school. david, thank you very how much for joining us once again. i first of all wanted to get your reaction to what you actually accomplished today, and you get the credit for it, the legislation that passed the house of representatives in florida. >> i think my reaction -- my reaction to that is, it's a small step in a much bigger movement. i'm glad to see we've finally seen some movement. but the fact is that until governor scott signs off on this bill, none of this really matters unless it's signed into law. and along with that, it's just the fact that everything that we've been doing -- i shouldn't be taking credit for this, it's everybody that's been there, everybody that was there in tallahassee from the beginning, and everybody that stood up, spoken out on twitter, spoken to their local legislators, and
really gotten this action to be pushed through. because we've seen time and time again these bills have failed for the assault weapons ban and different things that are around gun control. now we're starting to see this action because we're showing our persistence. these politicians know they should be scared because we are the future voters and we are the future. >> i've been watching this legislatively for a very long time and i can't think of a tougher place to pass that bill than the florida house of representatives. especially that issue of raising that age from 18 to 21. that was something you people made happen. some of those representatives who voted to did that today were arguing against it even after the shooting, as you know, in tallahassee, you heard them arguing against raising that age. but you got them there. and i also want to get your reaction to betsy have a do is' visit to the school today. >> my reaction to betsy devos' visit to the school, she was talking about a bunch of different things while she was
there. but one of the main things i think people need to realize is she didn't go to a public school. she basically has no experience in public school. she donated $200 million to the republican party and that's how she got into this place, pay to play politics, it's disgusting, she has no previous experience in this area. she's on from corporate america that's working on behalf of the trump administration and really isn't doing anything. if she was going to do things, she would have done that before she got in this position. one of my friends asked her, how are you going to increase spending, like for schools and stuff like that? she didn't have an answer. she was honestly like, i don't know. that's the disgusting state of politics this country is in. she went too a school that was in an active shooting, where 17 people died, just to make herself look better. she didn't actually do anything, she hasn't done anything, and she probably won't. i'd love for her to prove me wrong. but at this point, will she? >> david, i think you might know
that the president's next scheduled meeting about what he says is about school safety, the subject is going to be video games. what do you think the president will learn from video games? >> has he ever even played a video game? i don't think that's what we need to be focusing on in this situation. schools are important. and what i would love to see is perhaps a 5% to 10% tax on all firearms sales that goes specifically as a categorical grant from the federal government to state governments where they spend all this money to harden schools. the way they can push these things through, put in bullet-proof glass, they could diversify it to every congressional and state legislative district so every person gets jobs in the district. the price is high right new are now but when more schools start implementing these methods of hardening their schools with glass, doors and locks, we'll see the price going down and lives saved. it's important to focus on the
fact that this isn't about video games, this isn't just about schools, this is about lives. that is what we need to be focusing on. it's not just about schools. it's important to focus on hardening schools because that's where a lot of the these atrocities happen. that's like at pulse, las vegas. so many concerts, so many amazing people have died in these incidents now we're only starting to see action. when is it going to stop? that's my question. >> david haug, thank you for joining us tonight. i've been admiring how you've conducted yourself since this shooting brought you to our attention. i'm only sorry that you and i have had to meet the way that we have. i wish we could be talking about something else. thank you very much again for joining us tonight. >> thank you. we have some breaking news from the white house that's just in. we're going to have that for you next.
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to do tomorrow. we are now joined by phone by stephanie ruhle, who has some reporting on this. stephanie, what have you learned? >> indeed i do. president trump spent his day being lobbied by men against moving forward on these tariffs, or at least working on carve-outs. those trying to convince the president to pull back had gotten him to carve out ally nations, canada and mexico. but the president, though it was never on the official schedule, had plans to have a signing meeting, a ceremony tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. at the white house. and there they were inviting some steel executives, some steel workers. based on my reporting, that is no longer going to happen. it appears that president trump, though he's got a lot to say, is now not quite ready to sign this tariff. >> so the schedule shows that he is going to have his meeting about video games tomorrow, but he is not going to launch a trade war tomorrow?
>> and remember, the meeting about video games is far more in line with president trump and his listening tours. you know how he likes those. he nods and says yes to whatever group or whatever stakeholders are in the room. and then when that meeting's over, he changes his tune. so on tariffs, this is where the rubber meets the road. you sign that agreement, it's a go. it seems he's not quite ready to do that. >> stephanie, the understanding is that gary cohn is kind of out of the debate in the white house, but he's still technically working there. has he been influential in what's happened today? >> definitely i would not say gary's out of the debate. ga gary's out of the white house in a little over a week but he's definitely engaged in this. it was kevin brady, though, today who had over 100 signatures, from what i understand, of other republicans urging the president to think again. and while gary is leaving the administration, he and others are definitely lobbying the
president to really think about this. and not that the policy, the idea -- they know what the president's policy ideas are. but if the president wants to make an america first plan to help the american worker and help the american economy, it's not america alone. and a 10% and 25% tariff, that's not going to do anything but hurt us. >> very important reporting, stephanie, thank you very much for joining us with that important reporting tonight. stephanie ruhle gets tonight's "last word." "the 11th hour with brian williams" starts now. the breaking news we're covering tonight from "the new york times." president trump has spoken to witnesses about their conversations with mueller. the reporter who broke that story standing by. plus from "the washington post," mueller gathering evidence that a 2017 meeting was an effort to establish a back channel to the kremlin. also tonight, new reporting on stormy daniels' lawsuit against the president.
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