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us. . >> a /* /-. >> good afternoon, everyone from msnbc headquarters. we begin with president trump. trump versus mueller, the president on twitter again today, sounding off about a witch hunt. the escalating public pressure he is putting on the special counsel who is investigating him. plus, serial bomber for the next two hours, police are warning everyone in austin, texas, stay inside, the very latest on the investigation into who could be behind this string of mysterious explosions. and facebook fallout, reports that a trump campaign linked firm harvested data on 50 million facebook users to influence voters. now, we are learning who on the trump campaign was key in bringing this firm on board. but we start with president trump's twitter tirade and the relative silence from republicans in the house and the senate, moments ago, the
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president left for a speech scheduled for next hour, in new hampshire. the subject opioids. we will have more on that later. over the weekend and early today, a much more pug nacious president. he fired off eight tweets. in them, he attacked the mueller probe and for the very first time, he mentioned the special counsel by name. he also trashed two former cop fbi officials. one of woman andrew mccabe was fired late friday night. the most provocative were those on his team, suggesting the president may no longer be working with handoff playbook when it comes to bob mueller. we have halle jackson and gary haig and pete williams our justice correspondent. lots to break down this hour. halle, let's begin with you. is this going to be a few strategy by the president? is this trump blowing off steam? what more can you tell us about why we saw this exclamation from the president? >> reporter: yeah, it's a new strategy. not one we seen previously.
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the president in the last 45 minutes or so he was walking out to marine one to head to new hampshire did not respond to any questions about robert mueller, kept on walking along with first lady melania trump. if he had wanted to blow off steam, one would have walked u reporters. we have seen repeatedly from him over the last 24, 48 hours, including one in which he again described what was happening in the russia investigation as a witch hunt and he continues to rail against not just the investigation, but also robert mueller, himself, he calls this a witch hunt with massive conflicts of interest. this is a raised question about what the president is doing here. you have outside observers who seems the president is working to preemptively discred at this time mueller investigation before its findings were actually revealed. essentially sewing feeds here,
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feed people's minds with the idea the mueller probe fought having authenticity or legitimacy in the findings coming out. >> that is raising concerns he is preparing steps to ultimately ends the mueller investigation by firing robert mueller the president, himself, can't do that he can't point to robert hueler and say you are fired. his lawyer inside the white house is taking a little bit of a different tact than his lawyer outside the white house. ty cobb says the president basically has no intention of firing robert mueller. this has been sort of the inside legal counsel's lean all along, they are working to cooperate with the investigation, they are working to finish this as quickly as possible. you see the statement from cobb there. the president is not considering or discussing the firing of mr. mueller. that said, i think that a lot of folks are waiting to see what else the president will tweet. he will be talking about opioids in new hampshire, likely not a venue for him to rail against
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the special count sell as you might see in different setting. when he returns to washington tomorrow morning, he will be watching that twitter feeding. >> you would have expected at least some strong reaction from members of both parties, really, across the aisle. but the republican leadership has been somewhat muted about this. why haven't they said whose actually said what? >> well, it's tough to pars why they are waiting to the end. we heard from speaker ryan's office spokesperson who said mueller should allow to continue in his work. nothing so far from majority leader mitch mcconnell's office, it's possible republican leaders charitably don't think this is that much of a different situation, they're not as concerned with the possibility that mueller should be fired. although the idea of discrediting him bears some weight. you don't hear republicans of any stripe really weigh in on the work that mueller has being
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done. only that he should continue to be able to do it. we heard some from republicans pressed about it on the sunday sews over the weekend. take a listen. >> give him the time the resources, the independents to do his job. when you are innocent, if the allegations exclusion with the russians, there is no evidence of that, you are innocent of that act like it. >> it is not a collusion probe, it is much broader than that. obviously, once you open that up an start looking, can you go in one direction or the other, you go in the direction where the evidence takes you. >> i would hope enough prevails on the president right now him don't go there. we have confidence in mueller, i certainly do. i think my colleagues do as well. >> it's worth pointing out two of the three gentleman in that clip are retiring at the end of their current terms. you don't see a lot of republicans who are interested in staying in their jobs, wanting to members it up with the president on this topic. although, we will surely ask as
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both sides of congress return later this afternoon. >> it's hard to say who is walking away at the end of this year. i want to talk to you about andrew mccabe's firing, it was according to jeff sessions on the internal memo or report from the inspector general. we haven't seen that yet. do you think it would actually give us more clarity of the merits of mccabe's ouster, if and when it does become public? >> undoubtedly, it will be a part of the whole inspector general report. you may remember a year ago, the justice inspector general said he would look at the way they handled the entire clinton matter, the announcement by james comey, the letters. the revelation of the e-mails on a anthony weiner computer. the expectation that report will come out later this month or early next month it will be i think in essence a race to see which comes first the ig report or james comey's book. >> pete, i know one of the
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things that drew attention over the weekend with president trump's tweet in which he suggests there is now proof that james comey, fbi director, lied under oath to republican senator charles grassley, what is he talking about with that tweet, do you know this. >> he's talking about an exchange that mueller had or comey had before comey was fired. grassley was concerned about leaks, he asked comey if he had been the source of leaks. then he asked if he had authorized leaks. both times, comey said no, what the president is talking about is the fact in his statement over the week, andrew mccabe said, remember, the allegation here was mccabe improperly authorized fbi people to talk to a reporter about the clinton foundation investigation. mccabe said he had authority to do it. he had the legal counsel's support and the director of the fbi was aware of it. so the president is saying that when comey testified to grassley
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that he was lying, the president mischaracterized what comey said. the question really wasn't are you aware of anyone? the question was, did you authorize it? but it does set up an interesting question. >> it certainly does. we will see if we get more clarity when claims comey's cook comes out later in april. pete, garrett, thank you very much for joining us. trump's treat storm, heavy on accusation, he says the house intel committee concluded there was no collusion. that's actually correct. republicans say they never found evidence. democrats say republicans didn't do enough to find it. trump said the probe never should have started. well, when you fired the fbi director, he forced the hand in all that u all this. trump tweeted out. there was no crime. five individuals pleaded guilty. 19 indicted for criminal
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activity. he says the fake dossier started the campaign probe, again that's absolutely false, it was foreign policy aid george papadopoulos russia had dirt on hillary clinton that twigerred all of this. he said the steele dossier led to my campaign and that is also. he calls the probe a witch hunt. well, it's one that produced guilty pleas from three top trump campaign aids, including mike flynn, rick gates and george pap bop lus. for more i am joined by bobby saccone, an fbi special agent and gentleman, it's great to have both of you with us. robert, let's begin if we can with president trump. he doesn't have the power to fire mueller as pointed out earlier in the program. it seems what he is doing now at least on twitter is trying to publicly discredit him. is that the strategy he's going after here? >> it's hard to know what the specific strategy, i think what
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he is doing again is create public pressure to wrap up the investigation and to undermine any findings the investigation eventually has him that's straight out of the playbook, ask then counsel we have seen has been attacked by the people they are investigating. i think trump is doing that probably to a greater level, more directly, not having his surrogates do it. which has traditionally been done, this is typical behavior that has been investigated. he has wanted to point a finger at the investigator, which again has been common in all the independent counsel's i've seen. >> when you look at where the week began with bob mueller subpoenaing the trump organization document and then at the end of the week, you got president trump going after bob mueller for the first time in an aggressive way. do you see a connection over this escalatelation over the past week? >> it's hard for me to
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speculate. i suspect the subpoena was there before reported. i would be surprised if the trump organization didn't have documents a while ago. i'm not sure that's what's driving it. it is odd she going after mueller personally. again, it's not a surprise, it's been consistent with the president's attitude towards these things and again i think he is trying to afternoon up the pressure to wrap this thing up and to, you know, preemptively try to discredit the investigation to the extent it finds he did anything wrong. >> fair point. let me bring you into this investigation. i want to ask you about it. how some are reacting. some are saying the president is testing the limits of what he could probably get away with in terms of capitol hill republicans not reacting to everything the president is saying. what should the response be from top republican leaders, when the president goes down one of these tweet stomps i attacking former fbi officials and going after the mueller investigation now by
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name. >> i think this weekend's reaction was appropriate. i think it's reserveed.n they come out and support mueller. they don't get into back and forth blustery exchange with the president. i don't think that's productive at all. i think they went onto the sunday news shows. they voiced support for mueller and the process, to be drawn into this back and forth exchange with the president. i don't think it serves the purpose of mueller's investigation, mueller is not feeling any pressure. there is no political pressure on him, other than the twitter feed, it's the only place this bluster is coming from. there is nobody on the hill saying mueller should be impugned. the more you respond to somebody like trump the more he muddys the waters, the more his responses come back at you. i don't think that's productive. >> let me tell you about in terms of the mccabe firing.
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he kept dim gent notes with the president after those meetings. president trump tweeted about the fact he never saw mccabe taking notes during his meetings with the president. what value are those memos going to have to the bob mueller investigation? >> well, it depends on the content of the memos. right. what we know comey did hrks emade contemhe made more contemporaneous notes right after a meeting in the littleo on the way back to fbi headquarters, or whatever they be, the more reliable they will be. the time and place matter. so if he did these memos right after these meetings, even if trump didn't see him, if he went back and immediately wrote a memo summarizing the events and put it into the fbi files, so it's time stamped, i think obviously it will depend on the content of what those memos, but the reliability is there. they were made
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contemporaneously. >> let me ask you what emerged. i want to ask you about what the lawfare wrote this weekend. what's your theory on the way the mccabe situation went down? >> well, i think the merits will be important. we'll need to see the report and to the extent that someone did have a candor problem. i think that's known i have represented people in ig investigations. it's known if you don't tell the truth, that's a firing offense. in terms of breaking off the timing, i think the problem is, sessions is in a no-win situation. he has a recommendation from the career staff of opr and the ig to terminate mccabe. so his options are either to follow the recommendation and terminate him before mccabe's retirement comes up and look like an uncharitable person or
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it possibly worse is to wait several weeks, have a finding come out the termination was recommended and have it known the termination was recommended and tee'd up and sat in your inbox and you delayed it to protect a senior member of the fbi agent. or the fbi. >> that could have consequences for lineups, other people who have my understanding is probably you know 15-to-20 people have been terminated in the pastier for lack of candor type of issues. i think if you are one of them, you'd say this senior guy is getting protected. it's a no-win situation for sessions. he did the best he could and decided to follow the recommendation put to him. >> there was that situation he didn't do anything and draws the anger of his boss, president trump at the white house. great to have both of you with us this hour. investigators in austin, texas now are saying they are dealing with a serial bomber, asking everyone in that city to stay
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inside. what kind of clues are they following? >> a trump campaign using facebook's private information to influence voters. we are learning more about who inside trump's team hired this firm. we will hear from the whistle proceeder, how they just did that. this is a company that really took fake news to the next level by pairing it with algorithms. >> the markets are sliding on the facebook news, we're watching the dow closely, it's dropped more than 450 points since the morning.
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welcome back, everyone, austin police fear a serial bomber may be on the loose after they injured two men as they pass by their bicycles. it's the fourth package bomb in less than a month. the victims tried to peck up packages left at their homes. jay grey is in austin with the latest. version, they have a news conference there not too long ago. what did we learn from it that has moved this investigation forward? >> reporter: hey, a lot of things unfolding this afternoon. let's start with the fbi and we talked with chris combs the special agent in charge, i'm quoting him, the entire focus of the fbi nationally and internationally right now on the situation here in austin. there are more than 350 fbi agents on the ground here when
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you include the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms, more than 500 federal agents investigating the situation here, the latest blasts overnight, they say, much more sophisticated than the first three. those happened on the east side of the city. we are now on the west side of the city. instead of triggering when someone picked them up at their doorstep or front porch, this time a trip wire was used. a package bomb was left on the side of the road, it's becoming much more violent. they are concerned. they are reaching out to whoever may be responsible for the blast here, saying if it is a person or a group, they want to talk with them. they want to understand a motive here. they have specialists in after category ready to address the situation and talk with those responsible. they say they are gathering leads and they will need a lot of help from the communities involved here, they got to stay vigilant, report anything that seems out of the ordinary.
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>> the police and officials are telling people to stay inside. what are you hearing on the ground from residents in. >> reporter: a lot of concern, we just talked with a lady whose lived here, says that traditionally she never takes her keys with her, leaves her doors unlocked, goes and visits with neighbors, others saying they're going to change their routine entirely. they're not going to go places they normally do when they walk they're not going to peck up any package if they don't know where it's from, if they call delivery services if they believe that's that's on their doorstep. >> jay grey, let's brake all of this down, jim cavanaugh, special agent in charge, msnbc contributor, obviously the developments of the past 24 hours, with this being a trip wire explosion. that's a significant development than what we seen in the past. what does that tell you about the level of the sophistication of the bomber compared to what we saw with the first couple of
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bombs? >> he has the ability of infusing and firing systems. he understands the switching mechanisms. he's able to concoct a powder mixture inside his bombs. he is careful to place them. he wants them victim initiated so far. i think that could change. he is refb eliveling in the pow the disruption right now. if you look at people throwing out hate. >> that wasn't really obvious, now have you these two caucasian people really almost random victims on a sidewalk. this bomber or bombers. it could be more than one. it's more likely one; reveling in the power of the disruption of the community and also the time line as it gets tighter and tighter and he progressed, you know, between the bombing, he has been successful at murder, this is ramping up to him. so i would not be surprised to see another device this week.
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i would fought be surprised to see even a little change to time delay or another type of neshiation system an even a different disguys to the device. so there is a lot of advantages to the investigators, what happened in this last one, if they can exploit those, they might get a break. >> let me yeah pick up on that.though, if you are an investigator working this case, you now have four bombs to work off of, including the one that we were reporting on last night this particular one seems to have been a trip wire explosion, what key pieces of evidence could they be looking for that could help them identify a potential suspect or a profile of an individual they want to go after? from the actual mechanics of the bomb? >> right. atf and atf forensics laboratory, fbi, every fbi agent is a bomb-trained agent. every single agency. that's the way it is, fbi has
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lots of voluntary technicians the boston pd. you have a lot of talent here, this is the forensics laboratory. they take bombs apart, they're down in the minutia of every little gear and switch and particle in there. they're examining those. they're giving that back to the jock, the joint operation center in boston where they are trying to exploit those forensic leads. a trip line is like a monofill amou owe mono-millament. it was debt natd on a sidewalk at 8:30. if they can tighten that time line down, likely it was planted right at dark or just in dusk in corpuscular light, that's fading light, that's a couple hours,
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maybe an hour-and-a-half from 7:00 to 8:30. in fact, the bomber may have been there. they may come out with cameras a block away, two blocks away, some witnesses, there is a lot to be gleaned from that last one. >> we hope they can nail this down. jim cavanaugh, thank you very much, jim. >> a trump campaign linked firm kicked off facebook, the new report about that company and how it used private information of 50 million facebook users. the social media site is paying for that on wall street. plus the escalating battle between the president and porn star stormy daniels, now the trump team is saying she owes them $20 million. liberty mutual stood with me when this guy got a flat tire in the middle of the night. hold on dad... liberty did what? yeah, liberty mutual 24-hour roadside assistance helped him to fix his flat so he could get home safely.
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cambridge analytica hired by the trump campaign improperly harvested and kept data on 50 million facebook users to influence voters. abc news learned that trump digital media creator and paul manafort and corey lewandowski were involved in the hiring of cambridge analytica. >> hey there, that's right. so we're looking at what facebook is dealing with right now. they're under pretty serious fire after news broke that cambridge analytica, a data company, that targeted voters in the leadup to the 2016 presidential election, they allegedlyco opted 50 million unwitting facebook users, weaponizing their profiles without their consent during the 2016 race, this morning, kurt wiley said the company actually met with former campaign manager corey lewandowski as early as 2015 to gather social media data
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on voters and it was gathered to take advantage of people's mental vulnerabilities. this is a company that apparently took fakes i fake ne-- fake news to another level. >> when i show you an ad, it says, hi, i'm so-and-so, i approve of this message. what cambridge analytica, it creates information going down a rabbit hole that create blogs that believe certain things that happen that may not be. >> corey lewandowski denied he worked with cambridge analytica. they refuted kurt wiley's claim and cambridge an lit ka saying wiley is a disgruntled employee and has spoken to the media in malicious attempts to hurt the company. as for facebook, they banned cambridge analytica on friday night and says it remains committed to enforcing its
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policies and protecting people's information, there is anecdotal evidence that users are using facebook, as they have apparently a trust issue. >> one central question is what is the question between cambridge analytica and the trump campaign in. >> that's right. according to nbc news reports, this project was important to steve ban none, one of the former chief strategists. he wanted to use the data gathered by cambridge analytica to influence american voters, sway their views, wiley the whistleblower tells nbc bannon wanted to weaponize, you have weapons basically for his culture war unquote. so it's a multi-layered story here, we are digging into it. it seems like the data security on the facebook end of things, when it comes to a consumer using facebook on a recreational basis is under a lot of scrutiny and big questions right now. >> lots of questions to answer right there.
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thank you very much. with me now are ken vogue him, "new york times" reporter and deputy assistant defense national security analyst. ken, christopher wiley there the man at the center of all this, this morning, says that corey lewandowski met with cambridge analytica as early as 2015. our reports say paul manafort, even lewandowski, himself, were in charge of the hiroshima. lewandowski put out this statement to nbc news saying i have no relationship with them, never have, and i have never worked with them. one central question that emerged now, since wiley left the company back in 2014, how would he know this fact to be true about corey loewandowski working with the firm as early as 2015? >> i know this firm was marking itself to presidential campaigns and the super pacs supporting
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those campaigns as early as 2015. they ended up getting in with the ted cruz campaign, working for the cruz campaign as well as the super pac supporting ted cruz before switching over and working for the trump campaign. what they had going for them more than this facebook data, although it's sort of questionable as to how effective they were in using it. was they had the support of the mercer family, rebecca mercer, bob mercer, the major republican donors, there was basically an understanding among the republican campaign if you wanted to get the mercers millions of dollars for your super pac, then you ned to bring in cambridge analytica, regardless of the very valid questions a lot of the data fix on these campaigns had about the efficacy of cambridge analytic ka and the services it was marking. >> that's a very valid point. if we were to kind of draw the strings and follow that threat, if you will, one of the big questions you've pointed out is
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whether or not cam binl analytica gave -- cambridge analytica gave that information to the russians, is that possible, you think? >> it is entirely possible. if you look at cannon and his colleagues, they point to the fact that cambridge analytica had a russian national a pivotal people characters in this whole unfolding story about how cambridge analytica got the data from facebook. apparently the cambridge analytica folks were warned if they're working for the trump campaign, they cannot employ for the trump campaign foreign nationals. i am a bit concerned because we know already that the russians were using targeting nationbook information to send messages to voters and in the run-up to the elections. and i just wonder whether any of the data that they were using was data that they somehow got from cambridge, analytica.
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i feel there are a lot of dots here that are tantalizing me driving me to maybe jump to some conclusions. but i would wonder, again, why was the trump tower server communicating with alpha bank and also betsy devos' company, why was that company communicating with alpha banks. what were they transmitting? is it possible they were transmitting data? i don't want to get too far ahead of reporters. i'm not a journalist. i'm worried about all the little ill dots i see out from. it looks quite disturbing, actually. >> facebook says they've asked cambridge analytica to dry the data, as you know the "new york times" says they were able to access that data. what concerns does that raise when we are months away from the mid-term elections in this country. who knows how it can be used ahead of the 2018 election? >> yeah, to me the bigger
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questions here are about the data security at facebook and facebook's procedures for ensuring the data it has on hundreds of millions of people in not accessed by commercial actors or folks who are trying to use it for political and that is that when it is not tho authorized. you can share on something to share your cookies, essentially, your information with anyone, whether it's a political campaign or a company that's trying to market some service or goods. what the concern here is, is that cambridge by presenting itself, having this gentleman present himself as an academic was able to access all this information that was not supposed toback saysible to political campaigns or to companies and use it for political purposes. facebook says it locked that down, that potential avenue for people to do something in 2015.
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by that case it was too late in the case of cambridge analytica. they say rest assured something like that cannot happen. today i think we have seen some that suggest that facebook has made some promises about what happened or some characterization about what happens in 2016 that maybe there is some reason to be skeptical of what they say. >> yeah, no doubt about that. there are some members of congress asking for facebook ceo mark zuckerberg to see what they are doing where that data. it's great to have both of you with us this hour. an escalating legal battle. the president is making demands of stormy daniels who wants to talk about her actions with him before he took office. president trump landing in new hampshire, the state he once called a drug infested den. we have the announcement he has in the fight against the opioid crisis. stay with us. o. ♪ ♪ wake up early,
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view of the public, so that the public cannot view the evidence and the facts and learn about what really happened here. they are trying to hide the facts and the truth from the public. it is clear as day. >> msnbc legal analyst is here with me, danny savales is here with me. i want to peck up on something more interesting you wrote about in which you which for ms nbcnews.com. let's begin with that, where does the $20 million come from? >> the term is liquidated damages. if two people enter into a contract, that i can agree if advance what the damages would be in case one of them breaches, because sometimes damages from breaching a contract are difficult to forecast. so the parties ideally sit down and say, well, we don't know the exact dollar amount. but i forecast if you breach the
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agreement, it will end up costing me x number of dollars. now a crafty person drafting an agreement will put in a favorable liquidated damages clause tore themselves. that's exactly what's happened here. no question the trump team unilaterally all by themselves drafted this agreement and created a liquidated damages clause, unfortunately for stormy, if they assert it, it would be up to her to prove this was not a reasonable forecast of the damages. but the 20 million is essentially say figure i breach, this is a fair amount of damages that will be owed to you. >> hypothetical, could somebody pay the $20 million and proceed is that the figure in. >> the way the contract is drafted, it's a million dollars per breach or per occurrence or some language like that. so that sa number they put in the removal papers probably to satisfy number one the amount in controversy so you can move it up to federal court. but also as a scare tactic
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against her and any other would be breachers, who are out there that we may not even know about. >> they may have non-disclosure agreements. let's raise this issue, why the trump team would want to have this case moved? how do they benefit it going from california state court to federal court? >> removal is a technique, the defendant, if the amount in controversy is enough and the defendant is out of state, that i can move it up to federal court. it's like castleing in chess. it's a defensive maneuver. sometimes the reasons are based on the law between federal and state courts. sometimes it's as simple as thumbing your eye at the plaintiff's attorney saying we're taking you out of your home court up to federal court. he is one of those attorneys that expressed what i expect to be true, he's just as comfortable in federal court as in state court and the defendants should be mindful moving it up to federal court
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should be all the parties consen. one had made an appearance until a removal notice was filed, now we can reasonably assume david dennison is also donald trump. >> let me pick up on this point again quickly, is there a chance that he can actually have this moved back to state court? is that something he would want for his client? does it benefit for him to have it if state court in. >> normally they look at what is alleged in the complaint. but there is always the possibility of getting it remand if the ground for federal jurisdiction is good, it was fake, there was no $20 million in controversy. make no mistake about it. the defendants don't want to be in federal court either, now the first motion is to send it out of federal court into ash celebration, arbitration is the only way the trump defendants can win this case. >> then it's about that. we can maybe refer to you as a chess match. we have a technique there they
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use? >> thank you. i'm aer is are on the chess meter. they go by numbers. >> thank you very much for joining us. we want to bring you up to date on some news that we're just getting in. the "new york times" is reporting that president trump may add another lawyer to his legal team. michael schmidt broke this a few minutes ago, bring us up to speed on what you have learned. what can you tell us about this new lawyer? >> reporter: the president is looking to bolster his legal team. you are coming into a new junkture here, it appears he is taking a much more aggressive stance towards the special counsel and the degeneva has been someone that attacked the special counsel, gone on fox news, pushed different theories about the president was framed, had seen him on television the president likes people that had advocate him on television. it's a good way, he will be added to the team. i don't think he will be taking a lead role. but it will be another lawyer to
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help the president as he moves along here. >> what do you ung this does to the dynamics of the legal team key white house, given the fact the president over the weekend when you look at his tweet storms and there was this miscommunication if you will, saying on the one hand the mueller probe -- his attorney saying the mueller probe should be disbanded and coming out and having the same time saying, no, nobody at the white house is contemplating or discussing that? >> well, it's been a chaotic time for the legal team. the president's lawyers did not know that ten days ago he met with emmett flood a veteran washington lawyer who represented president clinton during his impeachment. >> that left them uneasy, this past weekend, people close to the president say he was acting at the president's behest when he put that statement out saying that the special counsel investigation should be over. it was only after it became
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public, that he went out and said he was doing it on his own after it became so controversial. the president goes on to send out similar, he doesn't go as far but similar tweets naming not and calling the investigation a witch-hunt, his favorite term. so it's been a time the president's been expressing his frustrations with the investigation. he feels comfortable in his job. he's had successes with the north korean leader coming up, and he consolidated power at the white house. >> we have also received a statement from the counsel to the president confirming former u.s. attorney for the district of columbia will be joining our legal team later this week. michael schmidt, great to have you with us. the president is in
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new hampshire at this hour. air force one landed in manchester. he's expected to address the opioid crisis. new hampshire had the third highest rate of deaths from drug overdoses after west virginia and ohio. patrick kennedy is a former democratic congressman from rhode island. and also here in new york we have jacob soboroff. let me begin with the congressman if i may. the president's plan calls for stiffer penalties for drug traffickers and possibly death, reducing the number of prescribed painkillers, launched a public awareness campaign, and increasing the availability of the drug naloxone. is this an effective approach do you think? >> unfortunately, of course, the
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death penalty for drug king pins will be the lead headline, and that, of course, is very distracting. all public health experts and anyone who's ever studied this issue has agreed on one thing, and that's that we need to change 236,000 from this as being a criminal justice problem to a public health problem. so i don't think the president does us any favors by making that the lead of his press release. it makes for good fanfare, but he wanted to be tough on someone, he ought to be tough on the insurance industry who's denying claims from millions of americans to get access to drug treatment and mental health services. and under the millman report, a distinguished celebrated independent analytics firm shows that across the country there is huge disparity between those who can access services for mental
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health and addiction services, which is, by the way, a violation of federal law. so if the president wanted to be tough and enforce the law, he ought to enforce the mental health parity and addiction ethic act because what we need to do is get money for treatment that we know works and can save lives. that's medication-assisted treatment. overall it's making sure the health care system treats addiction as an illness, like we know it is. and yet they still refuse to treat people with this illness the same as other illnesses. >> let me ask you this. the president's commission of you sat, were any of the recommendations of the commission adopted in the president's plan that we should be hearing about? >> i mean, of course in the main
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theme of the release, they identify medication-assisted treatment, obviously enhanced prescription drug monitoring programs, working to enhance more education of providers. of course, if you started to list all things we recommended you would be here all day. so yes there are a number of things that are in that plan. what i'm talking about is the president has the bully pulpit. this is major public health issue if our time. it's reducing the overall life expectancy of americans. he ought to have a crystal clear message. it can't be all over the board. he ought to say this is a medical issue, not a moral issue. >> we're expecting to hear from the president momentarily about this. let me ask you, jacob, because you traveled around the country talking about this issue. what are you hearing from communities on the ground in terms of what they need, what resources they need to combat
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this crisis. >> people on the ground say you cannot help dead people. we are in the midst of the worst crisis in american history, more than gun deaths at its peak, more than hiv/aids. critics of the president and the president's announcement we'll hear about are worried about is that this is the launch of a new war on drugs. people of color, people dealing drugs on the street, people that are low-level operators in the proliferation of opioids be the ones held responsible when at the end of the day we're talking about fentanyl coming in from the mexican drug cartels. focusing on small-full time players is not going to stop this. you need medical-assisted treatment, not talking about killing drug dealers.
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>> it's going to interesting to see if the president addresses any of this overhaul of the system approach. jacob soboroff in new york, thank you for joining us. we'll be watching for what the president has to say when his speech starts on the new opioid plan in new hampshire in the next hour. t! thou hast the patchy beard of a pre-pubescent squire! thy armor was forged by a feeble-fingered peasant woman... your mom! as long as hecklers love to heckle, you can count on geico saving folks money. boring! fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.
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that wraps up this hour of "msnbc live," a busy news hour. my friend katy tur joins me now. >> it is wonderful to see you
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this late in the day. >> this is very late for me. >> are you still awake? >> >> reporter: %. >> amon, thank you very much, good to see you. it's 11:00 a.m. out west and 2:00 p.m. in the east where the president is wearing his heart on his twitter page, and it's again giving us a crystal clear insight into ow deeply uncomfortable he is with the russia investigation, but this time atlas new twist. donald trump broke a year-long silence about robert mueller. saturday after former act fbi director andrew mccabe was fired, the same andrew mccabe that can corroborate all of condominium condominium's claims, trump let out pent of frustration loose. there was no collusion and no crime, he said. it was based on fraudulent

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