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whew. we could have used a second hour tonight, that's all for tonight. we'll be back with more mtp on monday, meet the press on sunday, don't miss it. we begin tonight with breaking news in the mueller probe. >> for the first time, i can tell you there are reports tonight that bob mueller is tracing the campaign email hacks back to a person inside the kremlin. we don't know if that means any new charges at any point. but this is different, because until tonight, as you may know from watching the news, all of mueller's indictments and most reporting on this probe left all of the emails to the side. that's important, because stealing emails just like stealing files in watergate is a crime. and the people who hacked the democrats was working for putin,
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specifically their military intel, and that raises new questions about long time trump advisor roger stone was in touch with that same hacker, though at the time there were no public reports about this link. even if you stipulate there was no collusion, this putin link alone would put more pressure on any logical president to stand up to putin's interference. the u.s. now has the russisian indictment on interference. the indictment said russia a lot, it never said putin. in the most brazen part of this whole story, consider the most suspicious behavior that we think any security advisor would advise the president not to do, but he keeps suspiciously assisting putin to deny these types of allegations. >> i believe that president putin really feels and he feels strongly that he did not meddle in our election. what he believes is what he
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believes. >> translator: they do not represent the government, i could care less, they do not represent the interests of the russian state. maybe they're not even russsiar, jews, maybe they have dual citizenship, maybe it was the americans who paid them for this work, how do you know? i don't know. >> maybe a green card. quite a fancy legal phrase there, and it's actually pretty glaring tonight, because trump's data firm after a hidden video that showed all of these bad things they did and these new allegations that the company's foreign staff were actually warned about the legal risks of playing around in our american campaigns. which, you know, involves like getting a green card and working here. now let's get to it. there's a former employee of that digital firm you may have heard of by now, he's the
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whistle blower who i interviewed last night. he says they were warned about the legal risk of doing that by rudy giuliani's law firm. >> rudy giuliani's law firm actually sent a memo to steve bannon and alexander knicks that actually outlined the fact that in the united states you cannot run campaigns with foreign citizens who aren't permanent residents and the company was warned that alexander knicks should recuse himself of substantive management duties. >> giuliani warned the people you named during the campaign? >> rudy giuliani's law firm. >> rudy giuliani's campaign and they ignored those warnings? >> they did, they completely disregarded it. >> wathat's not nothing. and to verify those allegations, we wanted to see the memo, so we asked for it.
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and i can tell you on tv for the first time, we got it. this is not some low level paper work, this is from the law firm of one of donald trump's earliest allies, rudy giuliani, addressing one of trump's biggest donors and his future campaign manager and the now suspended ceo of this controversial firm and let me show you what we got. he warned them, this firm, not to do something that the whistle blower told us they went on to do. anna scheckter obtained this memo and she pointed out that the lawyers directly advising mercer, bannon and knicks, right there in 2014, telling them that knicks should avoid the possibility of breaking u.s. law and thus recuse himself of management of these american campaigns and clients involving these elections. also warning him that the analysis of cambridge's trove of data should be conducted by, wait for it, u.s. citizens. this was all before the 2016
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trump campaign, to be clear. and a source telling nbc right now that cambridge embedded foreigners in other congressional races. the whistle blower, christopher wiley tells us this was actually common with up to 20 foreigners working on these gop congressional races. cambridge continues to deny their ceo did play the kind of strategic or operational role that giuliani's firm told him not to play. i want to be very clear about what we have and what we don't know yet. it will take a lot more investigation to even estimate whether cambridge disregarding this advice in this one secret memo we have, actually disregard of it actually led to the breaking of any laws. let's widen out. all of this news comes on a night when putin's links to felonious hacking are more public than ever, as trump taps this new national security advisor john bolton who has the
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duty to investigate the facts even if trump likes putin. and he has the duty to -- newly understood role in our politics, even if trump hired them. but come to think of it, that's something these two men actually have in common. because john bolton's super pac spent over a million dollars employing cambridge analytica and using their data. i'm joined by the former ambassador to russia michael mcfall and bill vance, and bill, i begin with you after we go through that many facts, what the what? >> i think russia was more involved in the 2016, and maybe the 2014 elections directly or indirectly than people have wanted to believe, and there were some firms that were connected to the trump campaign, it doesn't prove collusion, it doesn't prove that donald trump
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knew this was happening, but it's real. and incidentally, one of the republican talking points these days on the hill, maybe they meddled, they caused chaos, they didn't want trump to win. things we have discovered that putin preferred trump to clinton. we don't know how much cooperation there was to the trump campaign, i keep going back to is why does trump keep -- if they were doing stuff that trump knew nothing about, why does he hate this investigation so much? >> ambassador mcfall, what is your opinion of these links we just put together. >> i want to underscore two links that he just said, that this shows more conclusive than before that putin was trying to help trump win.
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the guccifer 2.0, the hacker that we know was working for the gru. he was hacking the dnc. >> i have to interrupt only for sound issues, we'll fix it. it's television. joyce, i'll put the same question to you, we'll come back to the ambassador, what do you think about these links? >> the linkages will be really interesting for the mueller investigation, because we have to remember that what mueller is looking at, these basic questions law enforcement tries to answer are who, what, when, where and why. so this who question that bill raises, who was involved, what did trump know about what was going on, this is really what all of these linkages will force mueller to focus on, trying to figure out did trump or anyone else at the top of the campaign know about guccifer, know about the connection to came britabri analytica and these connections to foreign workers and is trump
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responsible for some of these illegal conduct or what appears to be illegal conduct. >> and the ambassador is doing a mike check, that's what we do sometimes on "the beat" you got to get your mike checked before you can drop your analysis. but joyce, i want to play for you something that randy credco said. this guccifer news today, because in all fairness to roger and everyone else, it's news that he's linked back to the putin forces, because it wasn't actually known at the time in fairness. but this was a person roger said he was in contact with along with assange and all of this other digital activity. and the mueller probe is at bottom a digital investigation. take a listen to trump advisor roger stone's associate roger credco, and he's denying giving
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the information that roger claims. >> a torrent of clinton email documents came out on august 8. are you saying by reference of this timeline that that's not something stone could have gotten from you at that time? >> you're going to two a tricky dick nixon on me, i'm going to come back and go some impressions on you. >> are you buying time or are you telling me that that was a lie. >> roger stone is a trickster. roger stone moves around and says a lot of different things. i think his memory is selective. >> randy, i got to stop you, you just said he moves around. >> yes. >> you're moving around, i read you the statement, is it true or false. i'll read it again. >> go ahead and read it again. >> from the end of july through august, through the end of september, julian assange said
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it was about to public this material on the democrats which randy described as devastating to hillary. is that true or false. >> that's false. i think roger stone has selective memory right here. >> joyce, tie it all together and then to the ambassador. >> roger stone had remarkably good information about what was coming out of wikileaks. he predicted john podesta would have his time in the barrel and sure enough it came true. so roger stone, whether he wants to admit it or not clearly had linked with people who were linked to russians. whether or not that was apparent to anyone in the trump administration. and obviously this has underlaid this investigation from the start, it's digital, people are interfacing anonymously. do they know who everyone they're talking to is. with stone it seems remarkably
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likely he didn't. w who. >> too many emcees, not enough mikes, that was our problem. i think you have a working mike, and we want to hear all of the analysis you have on all of the above. >> this is further evidence of russian intentions, right? it's not just that they were trying to mess around in our elections, but one, it was the russians that stole the emails and then published them to help trump against clinton. and whether it determined the election, nobody thinks that, but did it have no impact? absolutely not. that's ludicrous, to argue that wikileaks dump had no impact on the election. number two, you're pulling on a thread, but we need to keep pulling on it. to look at what cambridge analytica did, and how that
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information ended up where the russians. that is a thread i think we need to keep pulling on showing that they were trying to help one side and hurt the other side. >> stay with me, i want to add into this conversation my special guest hall reigns, he's an executive editor of the "new york times" and msnbc analyst, as well as christina greer, and the panel will stay with me. on the wider probe here, when you look at this, hall, your view of what's coming out and your view of some of the former paper, the times, as well as the former itn in britain have blown open in a way that's affected the trump administration, cambridge, facebook, which has lost $50 billion in stock value. where do you see this going? >> first i think this panel has laid out this story in a really even handed way. and i think the times story
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today about the connections involving cambridge analytica and john bolton and the whole chain of people who are connected to that nexxus is the critical development in this story. i must say, the times had one of the most extraordinary headlines today i remember seeing in my long years there. after another week of chaos, trump heads to palm beach. no one knows what comes next. that's not editorializing, that's a very good description of the reality of washington today. and we're into new territory with this cambridge analytica gru connection. as for roger stone, i have known him many years, he can put things in a convoluted and tricky way, but he has almost always in my experience talked to the people he said he's talked to.
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so i think a number of these threads, to use the ambassador's metaphor are being pulled on and this is an extraordinary moment, not only do we see this international intrigue around our most fundamental democratic processes, but we're also seeing at the same time, this amazing political theater of government by tantrum. >> you put it quite well, and something christina greer, who joins our panel has also discussed because she's talked about what she's characterized as a kind of young or adolescent emotional viability with the president. to build on hall's observation from roger stone, a quote from him back in 2016, when he said it doesn't seem the russians hacked the dnc, instead a hacker who goes by the name guccifer
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2.0. he was helping them with the cover-up. christina? >> i think it's pretty clear that so many people in this particular administration knew something, whether or not they knew everything doesn't really matter right now, but the interesting point to me is what does robert mueller know? right, it seems as if journalists and political scientists and analysts are all pulling on threads that sort of unravels the whole thing, the question is does robert mueller have that thread already? he's been clearly doing his due diligence, thinking about russia, thinking about following the money, thinking about all these people who were involved in the campaign process. i know the trump administration keep calling it a nothing burger and members of the house and members of congress at large don't really see this as a problem. however we have to realize that we have some elections coming up in june, september and even
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november across the country, so we have 35 members of the house who are up for re-election, we have one-third of the senate, so 33 individuals up for re-electi re-election, so if russia did meddle, it does matter because we have free and fair elections, last time i checked. so when we have an executive who behaves as a tantrum king if you will, but the issue we really must consistently check is that we have the executive branch that is abdicating to these tantrums and not really upholding the law of the land by saying -- >> they don't really work for the president, they uphold an oath. >> we could put up on the screen, all these changes, you see there dowd out, cassowics, who was out, may be coming back, and then the rumors about don mcgahn. walk us through this, i'm going to leave it up on the screen for a moment, walk us through this
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joyce, what we're seeing there, all those people. >> there's obviously a lot of instability on the president's legal team, one of the issues that that seems to reflect is the president's desire to be his own lawyer and to cut his own future. there's reporting that he and dowd had a falling out over whether or not the president would speak with bob mueller directly, dowd didn't want him to, there are reports that trump has even spoken with former u.s. attorney joe digenova and perhaps his wife about having the two of them come in and represent trump and then having trump move forward with an interview with bob mueller. that's an event we have all been working for, whether trump will speak with mueller in an interview or in front of a grand jury. that's one of the things that this investigation has been moving forward and a shake-up in this president's legal team may have a big impact on when that
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happens and what form that will take. >> and whether that was the whole reason for the crack up or something more. hall, stay with me, and bill, is part of our tag back friday. everyone else, thank you for joining our special coverage, we have a lot more coming including the gun march, i want to talk to you about. why trump's going from the tv to the green room. and stormy daniels, what happened leading up to this 60 minutes interview. and many students are getting on busses to head to washington. i'm going to speak to a survivor of the parkland shooting, as well as vick mensa, who is performing at the rally on saturday. patrick woke up with back pain.
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bolton is getting promoted to the white house, not abruptly removed like trump aides who found out so last minute. there are news outlets that wonder whether anyone found out they lost their trump job on twitter. >> is he just firing and hiring people? >> did rex tillerson find out about this on twitter? >> dad, you're fired, dad. >> i don't follow you. >> and that's a rough way to go, but even if you move beyond the twitter or the trump disrespect that has been shown to many on their way out. many will appear live from a green room near you, john dowd out, as joseph digenova is in.
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here's where casting meets policy. bolton says all kinds of snappy things that might make for good tv segments, but is a first move against north korea as good an idea as a fox news sound bite. >> i think the only diplomatic option left is to end the regime in north korea. >> question, how do you know that the north korean regime is lying? answer, their lips are moving. when a foreign intelligence service conducts an operation and leaves evidence pointing the finger at somebody else. >> in other words china may have left fingerprints that look like russia? >> why would russia leave their fingerprints itch they were trying to influence the election. >> the senate has no vote on this job and if trump is turning the cabinet into a tv casting call, we can't say we weren't warned. that was the exact premise of president obama's deadly punch
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line when he humiliated and ethered trump in a 2011 roast to his face. >> just recently in an episode of "celebrity apprentice," at the steakhouse, the men's cooking team did not impress the judges from omaha steaks. you, mr. trump, recognize that the real problem was a lack of leadership, you fired gary bussey. and these are the kind of decisions that would keep me up at night. >> back with us is hall rains, former executive editor of the "new york times," and eric wemple who focuses on media analysis and has already written about this resolving door on fox news and trump's key hires. eric, do you think he's building a cabinet and white house team, or do you think it looks more like he's building a rival cable news station? >> i don't know how much of a
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rival it's going to be. i think basically what you have here, ari, is a president who doesn't read. and you have a president who has never shown any interest in books or magazines or newspapers so much. and so he watches television, hours and hours and hours of it. this is his world. so the luminaries in his world are the ones that come on cable tv. and that's how he makes his judgments, those are the people he thinks are smart in the campaign, i believe he said something to the effect that he gets his foreign policy information from the sunday shows. it's endless. he spends hours and hours and hours in front of the television. so we're just seeing this as a reflection of what the media that the president consumes. >> and if it is a show, then you don't need leaders, you only need actors, talkers, and howell, this was steve bannon's view of it today. >> if general kelly at any time
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does decide to leave the president decides it's time for him to move on, i don't believe there will be another chief of staff. i think there will be five or six direct reports like there was in trump tower, i think the president is a very hands on manager and he feels more comfortable with that. >> howell? >> well, this is a sobering moment. the showbiz metaphor is apt. we have a soap opera in which the star has take n over as director and script writer, while the stage managers, the congress are locked out of the theater. i thought he was scared to learn about john bolton's appointment. but the idea that now the center poll poles, such as it is from this circus is really sobering. >> howell, i got to tell you, and i don't like to break the fourth wall, that's not how i roll, but i have a stage manager
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laughing offset here in washington. i don't know what viewers think, but other people appreciate what you're saying and it goes to the deeper point. oh, look, we got the wide shot. it goes to the deeper point, howell, and that is this. americans have always liked shaking up washington. that's why governors have historically done better than senators, we know that, and that's why younger newer candidates like kennedy and obama generally do better than people like john mccain. but you're putting the finger on the fact that americans elected someone with zero experience with federal government. >> i want to repeat something that bill crystal said today earlier on this network. he said he thought that a lot of people who said, okay, i'll roll
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the dice with trump are now saying, no way, i'll try it again on his second term. that's very astute. the trick is getting to the second term. and this brings us back to the very sobering point about john bolton, who's tied to cambridge analytica, who's tied to bannon. who is tied to the mercer family, he was the most unstable, unpredictable member of the bush administration. now if john kelly leaves, and general mattis leaves, we will be looking to him to where the most stable member of the trump administration. this is -- we're really, truly through the looking glass here. >> i'm out of time, eric, a final sentence or two. your bumper sticker on this issue? >> i watched the idiocy on fox news and it scares me to see it sort of migrating to the white house.
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>> there it is. there it is. eric wemple, howell rains, thank you both. up ahead, stormy daniels lawyer makes a new demand, a legal one hours before this weekend's much anticipated tell all. and i'm in washington and i'm going to be part of our team coverage of what some are calling a historic day to change gun control in this country tomorrow. one of the parkland student activists is here. and a special edition of fall back friday, rapper vic mensa who's performing tomorrow will be here on set up ahead. is it possible to save someone's life...
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here's a question, did donald trump sign his own nda. he was asked thabout this today. fox's liz plank, friend of the show who's been reporting on this story joins me now.
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liz, take it away >> hi, ari, stormy daniels is bad news for the president. karen mcdougal might actually be worse for the president, because she signed away her right to actually speak or she thinks she does, and stormy daniels signed away her rights to be able to speak. but at the same time, donald trump who is suing her basically said that he didn't sign that nda and this is one of the days where i actually ask myself does donald trump really want to be president and does he sort of regret actually running for president? yesterday there was an event at the white house, for millennial's, millennial day and he was asked what would be your advice for 25-year-old trump and he said don't run for president. >> and you think he was telling the truth? >> i mean, first of all he looked very honest and had no hesitation in answering that question, but like yeah, he,
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donald trump wants the privilege of being president, without the responsibility, without the accountability that comes with that, that's why he is making so many of his employees sign ndas for example and requiring they be silent when that is simply unenforceab unenforceable. and you have a woman like stormy daniels who's eloquent, smart and impeccable in all of her media appearances so far and so for sure the white house is wanting to know what's going to be happening when she comes on 60 minutes and tells her version of the story. >> liz plank, thank you for helping us as always keep track of this story. i have a programming note, stormy daniels lawyer, michael avenatti will be on msnbc nec hour. and a special edition of fall back friday and it's back in just 90 seconds. allergies? stuffy nose? can't sleep? enough.
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from chicago, he founded save money, save life. his latest album is the auto biography, he also has a new video out. ♪ ♪ >> and here we are, thank you guys for doing this. vic, i'll tell you, if you thought i wasn't going to have you on "the beat," my view is i am having you on the beat, didn't i, didn't i, didn't i tell you that. okay, we get the bad dad rap out of the way, okay? >> bob ito you are here. or bob. we still have to get to the
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bottom of something. last time we had you with your legendary co-deejay stretch. >> i come down to washington, and you're like, that's fine, we'll go without stretch, no problem. >> i hit him up and i was like, they asked me to be back on the show. i have never met you person to person. >> no, i don't even know your name. >> i thought it was an honor to be returning. >> i love that you're back, i'm glad stretch authorized it. bobbito, who needs to fall back? >> a lot of people, i think the timely fall back is the mta. my alma mater is in middle town, connecticut. they played against yale over 100 years ago. that was a very different time in college athletics. and at this point, there are
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revenues that are just enormous. measuring in the billions. sponsors, brands, and i just think that the athletes, the student athletes should be involved in some profit sharing. >> you think they're being basic exploited? >> they do get to travel. but the term amateur in 2018 is completely different as a definition than it was 50 or 70 years ago. so i think we need to revisit what the parameters are for that. >> bill kristol, what needs to fall back this week? >> before they revisit the ncaa, i hope loyola goes the whole way. you got to root for upsets. general being here is of course an honor, this happened when i was a kid, i got invited by mistake to the cool kids party.
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that happened once or twice, and i've been 40 years without being with cool people. so it's good to be with you guys. i can't even remember what my fall back thing is. the house republicans should fall back, because it's embarrassing to say that russia didn't try to influence the election in favor of trump. they don't have to give up their policies, they don't have to give up their principles. it's terrible. they didn't do anything to protect mueller. they're out for two weeks. >> vic mensa who needs the fall back? >> i'm going with the sacramento police department. after shooting the man unarmed in his backyard. you watch the video and obviously it was chaotic, it was dark, but the line they crossed between assessing the situation and excessive force/homicide was a second's time to pass. and they emptied 20 shots.
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it just seems like they need more training, they need more accountability. i mean, i'm over here, my foot ask kind of broken right now because i got in a motorcycle crash. and i did my two days of motorcycle training. you know. but things can still go wrong. it seems like maybe they're not even doing two days of motorcycle training. in their own field. >> you're talking about when u you're operating heavy machinery or operating a weapon. >> the things you have to go through just to get on a bike, compared to what you have to go through to own a weapon, where you can kill other people, as opposed to just being a danger to yourself. police officers mainly, that's why i'm saying sacramento police department. >> i think that makes a lot of sense. and we cover these stories, but lately, any viewer of any, i think news program knows, the rate at which we're covering some of these, what appear to be excessive force killings and
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shootings is less. but the rate that they're occurring in the united states has not dropped much. but that's also, to some degree a statement about the press. >> it's media fatigue. you know? it's the same way, i get tired of stories. i saw this one recently. and you know, i read it and i moved on. it's not like maybe went out and when philando castile got shot, i was devastated. you can only hear the same thing so many times, but at some point there needs to be action behind it. >> bill, what's your other fall back? >> that's a good one, actually. i was shocked when i saw the video of the sacramento shooting, cops have a tough job, you don't want to second guess them, and mitstakes can happen. a 22-year-old with a cell phone in his own backyard or his grand mother's backyard or something, it was terrible. >> i'm going to switch the tone up to a something a little bit lighter. >> we can do both.
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>> i'm frustrated, i'm a 51-year-old cat, grew up on hip-hop. the bell bottoms, put a little graffiti piece on the bottom and click, and there's always like a tie change. and then we went to tapered jea jeans, with like the zipper on the bottom. and then years laer s later, wed forward with super big bell bottoms. and the skinny jean movement happened and now i'm trying to find sweat pants and now i can't find sweat pants that aren't like skinny jeans. >> so your fall back is skinny sweat pants. >> i don't want to wear leggings. i just want the option, i want the freedom of option. >> you want freedom of movement. >> yes. >> i got one raeal quick, which is the least important. and you guys have put out some good ideas.
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i want to put the back in fullback. you remember when bobbito said put your back into it? you remember that? >> i love that you quote me. >> my favorite fall back, is ben affleck's back tattoo. that is a big massive colorful back tattoo. >> you know what made back too? because i've been meticulously planning to do a big at the on my chest. i think it would be amazing, i have good artists, but when i saw that, i started second guessing it. >> that's big. >> and i decided maybe not, you know? >> his shorts got to fall back, they're too tight. >> we're going to fit in a break, i thank each of you for being a part of this. and vic, i want to talk to you
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we are broadcasting live from washington tonight ahead of what many say could be an historic day tomorrow. over a million people are the estimates that may be partaking in this march for our lives. this is organized by students from parkland, florida, after that terrible mass murder massacre left 17 of their classmates and teachers dead. d.c. ground zero, but as i said, the marches are all over the place, all over america and the world. more than 800 cities, 50 states or, if you're doing the political math, hundreds of congressional districts. back with me is vic mensa, who i mentioned is one of the artists performing at this march tomorrow as well as kevin treos, a senior at marjory stoneman douglas high school. what does this march mean for you tomorrow? >> it's our time to say enough
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is enough, we're at the capitol and we want gun reform. we want to fix the background system. why has it been so lax for so long. this is all so important to us and it's something that could have prevented what happened at our school. >> how do you feel when you see so many of your fellow students leading adults, as many people have noted? >> i'm proud of them. if it weren't for them we wouldn't be being hear because hopefully their voices end up being something substantial enough that lawmakers decide to do something finally. >> vic, you have a following, people listen to you, they listen to your music. what made you get involved in this? >> i think it's unnecessary that our nation be plagued gun violence in the way it is. my father is from ghana. ghana had single-digit homicides last year, you know? it's a small country but perspective. >> per capita.
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>> in perspective with american society, it's completely unnecessary. so when my management told me that they were a part of this organizing, i was very adamant that i wanted to be here. >> i want to ask you something as a cultural leader. some viewers know that i kind of like rap. you are a rapper. so i think you might like rap. >> it's possible. >> some rap does glorify violence and guns and i wonder what you think about that as you're clearly setting a very different message for the people who follow you. >> i think what you have to remember is that this is america and this nation was built on blood. this nation was built on the backs of slaves, on the bones of native americans. and this nation became a global superpower through slave-picked cotton and tobacco. and the violence is very much in
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part of a reason that america is as powerful as it is. if you create these situations, you create these inner city ghettos with no possibility of upward mobility and red line the communities and you put these weapons in proximity, people commit proximity crime. and they're describing -- i think that music is describing what they know around them. it's not like they've recreated the wheel or something. >> right, there's been stories about -- >> this is america. it's ultra violent. >> i want to get kevin as well. what do you want to say to that building behind us, to this congress that people say both parties have done so little on gun control. >> get up. i don't know, they're -- congress is slow but they're being a little bit too slow. this is literally like they there's shooting after shooting after shooting and it shouldn't have to take it to get to our school for them to actually do
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something. why has it taken so long? this should have been done after, i don't know, columbine or especially after sandy hook. today i saw the news that they're finally going ban bump stocks but why were they legal in the first place? it doesn't make sense. i hope we just steam roll from here and get more laws passed? >> we need to ban the ar-15. hands down. let me say this because i know you have to end the segment. i want to say that this gets overlooked and it gets packaged every time we talk about this, the ar-15 with the bump stocks with the background checks. main priority, ban assault rifles. there's no need for them. that needs to be the main priority, that's what we have to push for. >> we will be watching you tomorrow because msnbc is covering this live all day and there's going to be a lot of eyes on both of you who are leading this so i commend you for helping explain what you're doing, why you're doing it. both of you, kevin and vic, thank you very much. i want to fit in a break and we'll be right back.
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j before we go, tomorrow msnbc will have special live coverage of the march for our lives rallies. it begins at 10:00 a.m. east we were many of your favorite anchors, i will also be a part of the coverage bringing you the latest from the march at 6:00 p.m. and again at 10:00 p.m. but most importantly, "hardball" starts now. hope and despair in washington, let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington where huge crowds will march tomorrow calling for action on gun violence. later in the show, i'll talk to three student organizers from parkland, florida. in contrast to that inspiring message, we have to start with what has been perhaps within of the craziest 24 hours of the trump white house so far, and that's, of course,

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