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that does it for us here on "kasie dc." ♪ this morning, stormy daniels tells her side of the story. the adult film star who claims she had a sexual encounter with donald trump more than a decade ago says she was threatened to keep quiet. plus, more reporting that president trump is planning possible shake-ups as earlies as this week. and more than a month after the deadly school shooting at parkland, florida, hundreds of thousands hit the streets to participate in our mars across the country. good morning, everyone. it's monday, march 26th. i'm ayman mohyeldin along with
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louis burgdorf. president trump spent the weekend asks him associates about the impact of porn star stormy daniels. trump complained to associates about the media attention that daniels is receiving, calling the entire episode a hoax that opponents are using to attack him. he reportedly asked one friend how daniels and her 60 minutes interview was going to affect his poll number pes. meanwhile, officials say trump is planning to oust shulkin over recent scandals in the department. an announcement could happen this week, depending on trump's decision on a replacement. shulkin would join a list of high level departures in the last 3 1/2 weeks alone. but a friend of the president chris ruddy who spoke to trump
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on saturday said the president only sees stability within his administration. >> the president told me he's perplexed by these reports that the white house is under mass chaos. he thinks the white house is operating like a smooth machine, his words. last night, the former porn star divulged details the of her alleged 2006 affair with donald trump in which she says happened five years later after she agreed to tell her story to a publication of "in touch"ing magazine. >> i was in a parking lot goinging to a fitness class with my infant daughter. i was taking the seats facing backwards in the back seat, diaper bag, you know, getting all the stuff out. and a guy walked up on me and said to me, leave trump alone. forget the story. and he leaned around and looked at my daughter and said a beautiful daughter, it would be a shame as if something happened
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to her mother. and he was gone. >> you took it as a personal threat. >> exactly. >> did you ever see that person again? >> no. but if i did, i would know it right away. >> you would be able to recognize that person? >> 100%. even know, all these years later. if he walked in this door right now, i would instantly know. >> did you go to the police? >> no. >> why? >> because i was scared. >> and she explained how she later signed a statement denying an affair with mr. trump like this. >> so you received this i'm not denied this affair because i was paid in hush money. i'm denying because it never happened. that's a lie? >> yes. >> if it was untruthful, why did you sign it? >> because they made it sound like i had no choice. >> no one was putting a gun to your head. >> not physical violence, no. >> you thought there would be some sort of legal
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repercussions? >> correct. the exact sentence was they can make your life hell in many different ways. >> they being? >> i'm not exactly sure who they were. i believe it to be michael cohen. >> they're trying to intimidate her. >> there's no question. you threaten someone with a $20 million lawsuit, it's a thuggish tactic. it's no different than what happened in the parking lot in los angeles. >> the president's lawyer now has a lawyer and he sent a letter saying, quote, you and your client's false statement about mr. cohen accuse him of criminal conduct and constitute, among other claims, libel per se and intentional infliction of emotional distress. it would also -- the letter companies i hear by demand that you and your client cease and desit from making any further false and defamatory statements
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about my client, that you immediately retract and apologize to mr. cohen through the national media for your defamatory statements on "60 minutes" and make clear that you have no facts whatsoever to support your allegations that my client had anything whatsoever to do with this alleged thug. stormy daniels, whose real name is stephanie clifford, is embroiled in a legal battle with the press over a $130,000 nondisclosure agreement she signed and she's now suing to get that nullified. cohen claims he paid the hush money out of his own pocket and the president knew nothing about it. the president arrived from mar-a-lago about an hour before the "60 minutes" interview aired. we did get a tweet from the first lady spokesperson saying, i'd like to remind people there's a minor child whose name should be kept out of news story
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when at all possible. joining me here on set, danny sovalis. let's start with your take of this interview. you and i were talking about this a little before the program. two big things to look at here. what we learned that's new, what it actually matters, if anything, for the president and the legal case going forward. give us your breakdown. >> the biggest thing that we learned that was new were specific facts surrounding this alleged threat. she was approached in a parking area. someone said it would be a shame if something happened to that child's mother. these were things we did not know previously. another surprise, i think for many, was that there was only one alleged romantic enter lewd. i think people were expecting ongone relations.
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but there were ongoing discussions. >> one of the issues that has come up is the payment, the $130,000 had payment that michael cohen has paid to stormy daniels. what is the significance of where that money originates, whether or not the trump organization or the president himself directly knew about that payment? why is that a legal issue for the president now? >> it's a very significant issue, not necessarily related to whether or not the contract is enforceable, because we have two major legal issues here. number one, is this an enforceable contract against stormy daniels? and number two, are there potential campaign finance law implications of the president even being involved with this contract? now, as to the second issue, the president needs to distance himself from this contract in any way possible. so each fact that tends to create a nexus between michael
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cohen and the trump organization and mr. trump tends to show that mr. trump was aware of this contract and that he may have or at least allegedly was aware of a contract that provided a benefit, an in-kind benefit to his campaign which would have been a violation of any number of campaign finance contribution laws. >> let me ask you quick my from one legal expert to another -- i'm not the legal expert, obviously, but how do you rate how he's handled stormy daniels' case so far with the tactics he's used. >> from a viewer's perspective, i wanted more. i think a lot of us were left wanting more out of this interview. but in rating his skills as an attorney in navigating the media, it's an a plus because he delivered on everything he said he would deliver on. a week or so ago, he said were
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there physical threats? he said with one word, he yes, and we were left riveted. what in the world were these threats? he delivered. but he also said that i would not reveal everything that we have in this case. it would be stupid to do so. and he's right. you don't reveal everything until it's tactically necessary to do so. >> and this case is definitely far from over. danny, we will talk to you more in a little bit. we should mention later this morning daniels' lawyer will be joining us. and over the weekend, huge crowds took to the streets to participate in the marcher for our lives rally. it is estimated 800,000 people attended the demonstration in the nation's capital. i was one on of them. it was pretty powerful to witness.
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now, student survivors galvanized the nationwide movement from a unified message. enough is enough. >> six minutes and about 20 seconds. in a little over six minutes, 17 of our friends were taken from us. 15 were injured. and everyone absolutely everyone in the douglas community was forever altered. >> one life is worth more than all the gun he is in america. this is not a red versus blue issue. this is a morals issue. >> we are into the here for bread crumbs. we are here for real change. we are here to lead. we are here to call out every single politician. >> it's time to stop judging youth that look like me or my brother that come from impoverished communities any different than anyone else. it's time for america to notice that everyday shootings are everyday problems.
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>> i have a dream that enough is enough. >> army teachers will not work. more security in our schools does not work. >> we cannot keep america great if we cannot keep america safe. >> we need to arm them with pencils, pens, paper and the money they need. >> we would not need metal detectors and clear backpacks and more weapons in our streets if there weren't weapons of war in the hands of civilians. >> ahead of that march in washington, a host for the national washington association's criticized the parkland florida shooting. >> to all the kids from parkland getting ready to use your first amendment to attacks those in
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support of the second amendment, i wish a hero like blain had been at your school last month because the media would have completely ignored your story. >> i think that's the most pathetic thing i've seen out of this. that's the nra. you'll notice they can't attack our aurlt, so they're attacking us personally. the fact that they're saying all we want out of this is for people to know our name. they have no idea how much each of us would give to have it be february 13th again. they've stooped that low. >> a majority of americans say they support tougher gun control to reduce gun violence. 91% of american voters said he they favor requiring universal background check owes all gun buyers. 84% require mental health checks. 72% support raising the legal age to buy all firearms to 21
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yie years old. 69 paurt armed guards in schools. >> staggering numbers there. we'll see if congress listens to that. still ahead, we're following new reports that president trump may be about to compexpel a num of russian diplomates from the united states. and mark zuckerberg is being called to testify. those stories and a check on the weather when we come right back. what does it take to make
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had the campaign's blessings for some of his foreign outreach, quote, among those who communicated with papadopoulos were steven k. banyan and michael flynn who corresponded with him about discussions officials. one e-mail says, quote, you should do it regarding an interview request papadopoulos received from a russian news agency. lanza went on to emphasize the benefits of a u.s., quote, relationship with russia. papadopoulos's role appears to have continues even after the election. as late as december 2016 papadopoulos tried to serve as a conduit transferring what he said was a ally that was reviewed by bannon and flynn. the trump administration is
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set to review retaliatory measures against russia. president trump has agreed with the recommendation from his advisers to expel dozens of russians diplomates and an announcement could come as early as today. however, trump is apparently wait to see what steps european allies will take. on friday, it was suggested more could happen today. british tprime minister theresa may said russia poses a threat to all of europe. let's get a check off your weather now with meteorologist bill karins. are we on out of the woods yet? could be maybe this weekend get some snow in new england, but the story this week is going to be flooding and it's going to be severe weather.
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so more of a spring-like weather week than anything else. here is the setup storm system in the middle of the country. large highs on the east coast. we have that moisture pumping up from the gulf. that is going to set the stage for a very heavy rain event as we go through the next couple of days. so we already have a flash flood watch up from st. louis to tulsa, musscogy, but this will be an event that will last through thursday. so we get the one rain event here. then we'll see another severe weather event and another one on top of that. if these the train from each other, that's estimating 3 to 5 inches of rainfall. and as far as the severe weather goes, today we're watching oklahoma city, abilene to san angelo, damaging wind, isolated tornado and tuesday we include dallas can, san antonio, aus a tin, waco, a lot more people. 11 million people. so a little bit of severe weather and the possibility of a lot of flooding by the end of the week. but to big snowstorms,
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thankfully. >> thankfully, indeed. still ahead, the final four is finally set. who is he headed to san antonio to join sister jean and the ramblers? we'll tell you next in sports. from scandalous romance, to ridiculous plot twists. (gasping) son? dad! we also know you can avoid drama by getting an annual check-up. so we're partnering with cigna to remind you to go see a real doctor. go, know, and take control of your health. it could save your life. doctor poses! dad! cigna. together, all the way.
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upset by texas tech got off to a poor start, but the wildcats quickly rebounded to take the lead with 12 minutes to go in that first half. they never gave it back to do red raiders shooting just 33% from the field, their lowest since 2015 and on identical to texas tech. villanova won this one, 71-59 thanks in part to a spark off the bench. daunte divencenzo helped clench the wildcats second trip to the final four in three years. meanwhile, kansas and duke squared off to a spot to face villanova in the final four, down by 3 with roughly 30 seconds in regulation. kansas buries the jumper tying the game at 72, but that gave the blue devils a chance to end the game and that task fell on duke's only senior, grayson allen. allen gets the shot off, almost gettinging the bank to fall, but no dice. we're going intoover time. tieded with just two minutes to go, kansas gets the lead.
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that's it. that's all she wrote. he scored 32 points to help kansas win this one, 85-81. kansas will face villanova and michigan will face low ol la, chicago. meanwhile, louisville and mississippi state looking to return to the final four, but they would have to put away oregon state and ucla respectively. the cardinals broke loose, scoring 28 points compared to the beavers 12, giving them the 61-36 lead. the cardinals shot 48% from the field to win 76-43, returning to the final four for the first time since 2013. meanwhile, mississippi state would go on to beat ucla 89-73. the bulldogs shot 53% from the field and 62% from the free-throw line to help return to the final four for the second
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straight year. congratulations now to them. now they have to wait and see who they're joined by. uconn will face south carolina while notre dame takes on oregon the in games tonight. can't wait to watch those, ayman. >> it will be an exciting weekend. it was incredible to watch the kansas/duke game because of how many -- unreal. >> and how many changes just in the last couple of minutes of play came down to the wire. >> yeah, it really did. and kansas had a marv plus performance and that three by newman at the end was unreal. still ahead, has president trump's led team turned into a one-man operation? plus, more on what adult film star stormy danielels has to say about her alleged intimate relationship with donald trump. we'll be right back. have you smelled this
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welcome back, everybody. it's the bottom of the hour. let's start with the morning's top stories for you you. as president trump decides his next steps in robert mueller's investigation, he is down to just one personal lawyer working specifically on the case. yesterday, washington lawyers joe digenova and his wife announced they cannot join the trump legal team due to conflicts of interest, but they will assist in other legal matters. shortly before the announcement, trump declared on twitter, many lawyers and top law firms want to represent me in the russia case. don't believe the fake news
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narrative that it is hard to find a lawyer who wants to take this on. fame and fortune will never be turned down by a lawyer, though some are conflicted. problem is a new lawyer or law firm will take months to get up to speed if for no other reason that they can bill more, which is unfair to our great country, and i am very happy with my existing team. maggie haberman tweeted on out, can't be stressed enough. he's a sitting president and few firms want to work for him. voters by and large want to see the mueller probe continue its work. 72% of registered voters believe the mueller investigation should be allowed to finish while only 11% believe he should be fired. breaking down those numbers by party, 83% of democrats, 57% of republicans believe mueller should be allowed to finish the investigation. only 25% of republicans believe he should be fired.
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in the wake of signing off on the massive spending bill president trump is proposing a possible solution for future bills in which he may not agree with everything inside the legislation. the president tweeted in part on friday, i'm calling on congress to give me a line item veto for all government spending bills. there's one slight problem for the president's suggestion to allow him to edit out the parts of the bills he doesn't like. it was ruled unconstitutional by the supreme court nearly 20 years ago. despite that issue, treasury secretary steve mnuchin still called on congress yesterday to offer president trump that line item sri he toe in the next spending bill. take a listen. >> i think they should give the president a line item veto. >> that's been ruled unconstitutional by the supreme court, sir. >> again, congress could pass a rule, okay, that allows them to do it. >> no, no, sir, it would be a constitutional amendment. we don't need to get into a debate in terms of -- there's
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different ways of doing this. >> different ways in doing it. joining us now, white house reporter for the washington examiner, steve nelson. good to have you with us this morning. let's start with that spending bill and the fact that the president reversed course on it in regards to vetoing the measure when there was some indication that he was at least trying to threaten to veto he it. what was the white house's thinking with getting on board with the plan despite thats massive price tag? >> you know, president trump shocked everyone when he tweeted he was considering vetoing this $1.3 trillion spending bill. he left everyone guessing for a couple of hours and ultimately signed it. it seems more than anything, this was an opportunity for president trump to hit a few messaging points. he blasted the deal nationally for not having a daca the deal and fought having border wall funding and objected to the price tag and the fact that no one read it. he sought to reassure the community and fiscal hawks.
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but i'm not sure how seriously he considered vetoing it. >> yeah. i was going to say, i can't imagine being a republican leader of the hill that friday when he sent out that tweet. let's turn to the special counsel's investigation and the shake-up that we've seen in regards to president trump's legal team. the president on one hand claiming that many lawyers, top law firms all want to represent him in the russia case. but it turns out that there seems to be some issues with adding to his lineup of lawyers. there's been several reports of high prominent lawyers turning the president down. what could this mean for the preside president's strategy of taking on robert mueller. >> trump has had interesting luck with attorneys. of course he was represented for years and years by michael cohen. the man who negotiated the stormy daniels nda which is blowing up right now. he was represented by john dowd who is leaving the team that was working on the mueller case. dowd was having a conversation in public at a restaurant last year with ty cobb who is another
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of the attorneys in the russia probe. they were talking about it openly at a restaurant. the recent reporting on attorneys who might be joining the team, ted olson who declined and joe digenova and his wife who reportedly had a conflict. it wouldn't be so jarring if their joining wasn't leaked preemptively. who knows how it will affect -- >> and not to mention he had the mark hasowitz playing a role and that, too, has been somewhat diminished over the course of the past several months. thanks, steve. >> thanks. now to that highly anticipated "60 minutes" interview with stormy dan cannels. last night, the former porm star released details of her affair with donald trump and what she says years later after she agreed to tell her story to a sister publication of "in touch"
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magazine. >> i was in a parking lot going to a fitness class with my infant daughter. i was taking, you know, the seat is facing backwards in the back seat, diaper bag, you know, getting all the stuff out. and a guy walked up on me and said to me, leave trump alone. forget the story. and then he leaned around and looked at my daughter and said, a beautiful little girl. it would be a shame if if something happened to her mom. >> you took it as a direct threat. >> absolutely. i was rattled. i remember going into the workout class and my hands were shaking so much i was afraid i was going to drop her. >> did you ever see the person again? >> no. but if i did, i would know it right away. >> you would be able to recognize that person. >> 100%, even know, all these years later. if he walked in this door right now, i would instantly know. >> did you go to the police? >> no. >> why? >> because i was scared. >> michael cohen, the president's lawyer, now has a lawyer of his own. he sent a letter to the lawyer for stormy daniels denying
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cohen's involvement in the threats writing, you and your cline's false statements about m mr. cohen accuse him of criminal conduct and student libel per se. it woulds appear that you have a civil dispute which is also improper. i here by demand that you and your client cease and desist from making any further false and defamiliar story statements about my client, that you immediately retract and apologize to mr. cohen through the national media for your defamatory statements on "60 minutes." the president, whose aides have denied any affair, arrived at the white house from mar-a-lago about an hour before the "60 minutes" interview aired and he ignored any shouted questions. >> joining me here on set once again, danny sovalis.
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good to have you back with us. let's focus in on this $130,000 payment that she received for a moment. because aside from the salacious aspect of the affair, the key issue can come down to this $130,000. on one hand, she accepted the payment spp payment. she took the money. she signed the nda. she's now trying to get that nda nullified. she's told her story. does she have a case to be made here? >> she does. the beautiful thing about contract law is it's like poetry. the stormy daniels position is that this entire agreement, including the arbitration clause the therein is invalid because the president did not sign it. and the part of the contract that allows for arbitration only allows david dennison, aka donald trump, to enforce that arbitration. therefore, even if the agreement is valid, they are allowed to challenge he it in federal court. if you're the president's team,
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if you're michael cohen, your position is, listen, even though this was an unsigned contract, california courts will enforce a contract if you look objectively at the conduct of the parties. did they act as if there was a contract? and if somebody accepted payment of $130,000, then that means that even if the formality of a signature was not there, then this is an enforceable contract. but that's the essence of contract law. each side marshals a legal argument and they look nothing alike because it's so subje subjective. >> how does this get legally recolle rectified? >> if you're stormy daniels, you want the courts to adjudicate this issue because the courts are public, you get broader discovery, a litigant has more power over the discovery in a court. if you're the trump team, you want to force this team into
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arbitration. the case is prosecute presently removed up to federal court. but i assure you the next the move by the trump side will be a motion to send this case back -- to get to get it out of federal court and back into arbitration because the decision there may never see the light of day. >> very quickly, if you're the president's lawyer, advise him to stay quiet and do not tweet about the interview yesterday? >> absolutely. in general, this is the kind of thing i would advise trump to not speak at all. but the problem is, if it stays in court and any of these can a get to discovery, there will be a deposition, president trump might be forced to speak and there's nothing you can do when you're under oath and in a deposition and refusing to answer questions. >> we can stormy daniel's lawyer, michael avenatti will want a deposition. he will be joining us on morning morning, as well.
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> welcome back, everyone. to the middle east. saudi arabia says it intercepted and destroyed 7 incoming missiles, three of which were heading to the capital city of rih had ad using a missile battery system. this alleges to show some of the interceptions and aftermath. one person was reportedly killed and two others wounded after fragments rained down on a residential neighborhood. this all comes as the saudi crown prince continues to travel around the u.s. as part of an
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extended visit. he is currently here in new york city. now to the latest in the president's ongoing that attempt to prevent transgender americans from serving in the military. late friday night, president trump signed a new executive memorandum banning transgender people from banning except under limited circumstances, retakening those with dysphoria, those who require considerable medical treatment pose risks. trump's initial blanket transgender ban which he announced on twitter last summer out of the blue seemingly has been repeatedly blocked by the courts. let's get a check on your weather now with nbc meteorologist bill karins. bill, you're talking temperatures today. >> yeah. we would like to finally turn the corner here. april is not far away. it's still very chilly. we're at 34 degrees in raleigh.
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that's pretty far south and that's pretty cold. 40s in atlanta and charleston. we're well below average in areas of the east today. if you want the above-average temperatures, you have to get past mississippi and head into areas of texas. how chilly will it be today? atlanta, this is it. 51 degrees for your high. 17 below average. .montgomery, 13 below average. this is jacket weather and in some cases, hat and gloves early for the kids. this afternoon in the carolinas, not much better. charlotte, 13 below average. baltimore, 47, we'll take it. it's better than the snow we had recently, but still 9 degrees below average. the little bit of saving grace is towards the end of this week. yes, it's going to get cloudier. but at least it's going to get warmer. on thursday, we put it near 80 in philadelphia. yes, it will get warmer, but also it's going to kind of get wet and damp. so the week ahead forecast, today we're watching strong storms, abilene into oklahoma city. wednesday, we get that flood
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threat in areas of arkansas, louisiana, and as i mentioned, by the time we get to friday, some of this mess is on the eastern seaboard. it's mott going to pour or be flooding, but there will be a lot of clouds and warm temperatures and it will be damp, too. we'll be ending march with our april showers. >> it seems like a spub born winter that will not go away one way or the other. still ahead, facebook's ceo continues to apologize for the cambridge analytica scandal. the steps lawmakers in congress say they want mark zuckerberg to take in the wake of that data breach. ♪ i'm jimmy, this is my definition of fresh since 1983. ♪
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welcome back. facebook is continuing its efforts to apologize over the cambridge analytica data scandal as the company's ceo faces mounting pressure to go before congress on the matter. mark zuckerberg took out full page ads in several american and british newspapers yesterday to apologize to users for the breach of trust by the company over the cambridge scandal. zuckerberg reiterated his previous comments last week that the company is taking steps to ensure this doesn't happen again. meanwhile, congress has formally asked that facebook ceo to come testify about what happened with cambridge analytica and what the company is doing to protect users and their data and privacy. in a letter for the house committee, committee members discussed their plans to hold a hearing in the foou near future on the matter. the senate commerce committee is calling on zuckerberg to testify.
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on "meet the press" mark warner said zuckerberg needs to come and testify and that the company has not been fully transparent with congress about the data leak. >> i don't think facebook has been fully forthcoming. i called out facebook back of '. in the spring of '17 i questioned microtargeting and use of this cambridge analytica. early on for most of 2017 they blew that off. they during the summer acknowledged there was paid advertising but that there were a number of russian accounts that were fake that spread information that touched 150 million americans. >> all right, comes up, we have a look at this morning's one big thing and coming up on "morning joe," much more on that high-profile interview with stormy daniels over her alleged affair with donald trump and the threats she received to keep quiet about the matter.
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president trump's plans to make more changes to his administration as he struggles to fill the bench of his legal team to take on robert mueller's investigation. "morning joe," just moments away.
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welcome back, joining us from washington, d.c. way look at axiosa.m. co-founder jim vande hei. >> their favorability ratings, a massive plunge in how americans think about facebook and the positive feelings they have about it and you're seeing that facebook is pulling down the popularity of other tech platforms and why this matters is that you're seeing lawmakers now rush to talk about whether or not they should be regulating facebook and other social platforms and a real stock market consequence. one reason you saw a record drop in the stock market last week was because these tech companies probably are going to face a lot more scrutiny in washington. >> i know you talked about
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facebook, also having a negative impact on other technology companies, certainly had an impact on the stock market overall and after a brutal week is there a chance for facebook to turn it around? >> i don't think this is something you turn around in a couple of days this. is years in the making. they basically have the public rethinking about how easily the platform can be manipulated. how easily their data, your own personal data can be manipulated so facebook is trying to turn it around. they took out newspaper ads in "the new york times," "the washington post," some newspapers in london over the weekend especially those that run stories that are critical of the company so this is going to be a long, long process. it probably culminates or at least peaks in the moment with mark zuckerberg testifying before congress. you have a lot of lawmakers that want zuckerberg in front of them to answer questions about what do you know about the american consumer. how do you monetize what you know about the american consumer? >> so do you think that this could possibly be a sign that
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americans and their public opinions of technology companies across the board are beginning to change? >> there's no doubt about that. if you go back to 2016, almost every american had a romantic view of these technologies. listen, they're great, everybody love their iphone but many didn't pay attention to what they were clicking on, you can know everything i buy and know some of my phone records if you click here. now people are waking up and realizing that and realizing that's interesting, we're realizing what the europeans realized years ago. in europe the public was much more skeptical and the government was and way more aggressive in regulating these tech platforms, that's what worries facebook and these other companying, google, youtube, others, they know there is a template being created in europe. if you do start to regulate them it hits their profit and these are for profit companies.
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>> let me pick up on that point which is the issue of regulation. what is the appetite among members of both parties on capitol hill to try and regulate the social media and technology giants? on one hand you have facebook saying it's not a media company, it is a technology company but played a very important role in the way we consume information as a society. what role can regulators play in that? >> it's a smart question. i mean they could go -- you break these companies up and regulate them like their media companies. most lawmakers don't know enough about these companies and probably don't know enough about technology to move quickly on regulating them. i think this will be a slow process. even when you hear mark warner, senator from virginia and others talking about regulation, it's still pretty much confined to more disclosure about political advertising on facebook. that's a tiny, tiny fraction of how facebook actually makes its money. the question is do they start to really regulate what these companies can do with our
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personal data and they use that data to then allow advertisers to reach us with more precision. if you start regulating data or go further and say we'll regulate you like you're a media company and hold you accountable for all of the content that appears on your platforms that's when they get nervous. i think that's probably months if not years of debate before you get to that point. >> let's pick up on the point you were talking about with mark warner. calls for mark zuckerberg to testify on capitol hill. last week mark zuckerberg said he wants to put the best person at facebook to answer the questions that congress wants to learn about. what are the chances we see mark zuckerberg in person, not just an official but him in person. >> he clearly does not want to testify. you can go back a year ago. he says that isn't even that big of an issue. now he realizes it is and starting to do interviews. i think it will culminate with him appearing before congress. i think lawmakers will demand it
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so i think it's more likely than not that he does and i think lawmakers will demand it. usually when you have companies caught in some sort of public turmoil it is the ceo that faces congress. it is the ceo that faces the american people so ultimately i think zuckerberg will be that person. >> jim, great to have you with us. we'll read "axios a.m." when it drops. sign up for it at axios.com. "morning joe," everyone, starts right now. was she lthreatened in any way if yes. >> was she threatened physical harm? >> yes. >> i was in a parking lot going to a fitness class with my infant daughter. i was taking the seats facing backwards in the backseat, diaper bag, getting all the stuff out a guy walked up on me an said to me, leave trump
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alone. forget the story and then he leaned around and looked at my daughter and said, a beautiful little girl, it would be shame if something happened to her mom and he was gone. >> you took it as a direct threat. >> absolutely, i was rattled. i remember going into the workout class and my hands were shaking so much i was afraid i was going to drop her. >> did you ever see the person again. >> no, but if i did, i would know it right away. i'll never forget. >> you would be able to recognize that person. >> 100%, even now. all these years later, if he walked in this door right now i would instantly know. >> did you go to the police. >> no. >> why? >> because i was scared. >> ten days ago stormy daniels' attorney told us she had been threatened to stay silent about donald trump. last night she gave the details. meanwhile, the president's own legal team in the russia probe is largely an army of one. despite twitter claims that, quote, many lawyers want to represent the president, he may need the help

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