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hi there, i'm chris jansing in for stephanie rule. this morning, stormy speaks out. the adult film star shares the intimate details of her alleged sexual encounter with donald trump including why she says she took money in exchange for silence. >> the exact sentence used was they can make your life hell in many different ways. >> hiring the best people. just days after the president shakes up his legal team, it all falls apart. joe di genova and his wife say they can't work with the president and that's not all. reports more cabinet changes could be imminent. >> i think he thrives on chaos. maybe that's the way to run a reality tv show. it's not the way to run the greatest country in the world. >> marching for their lives. hundreds of thousands across the country take to their streets to fight for gun control, insisting
enough is enough. >> we cannot keep america great if we cannot keep america safe. >> but will the momentum from saturday's march make its way to capitol hill? >> for the first time in decades, i am optimistic that we can get something done. >> we've also got breaking news. the united states just announcing minutes ago it's expelling 60 russian diplomats and this includes several members of the russian embassy and the united nations in new york. we'll have much more on this coming up. but we begin today with the much anticipated interview with stormy daniels. the porn star filling in the blanks on her alleged one-night stand with the president. but she failed to produce any new evidence to back up her story. we're going to dig in to what she did have to say with my panel in just a minute. back to the stormy daniels interview. if you look past the salacious nature of these claims, the
tabloid part of it, the critical question is whether there are any legal implications for the president, if there are, they may stem from the alleged incident in which daniels details for the first time ever how she was warned to keep her allegations to herself. >> i was in a parking lot going to a fitness class with my infant daughter. i was taking, you know, seat's facing backwards in the back seat, diaper back, getting all the stuff out. and a guy walked up on me and said to me leave trump alone, forget the story. then he leaned around and looked at my daughter and said, a beautiful little girl, it would be a shame if something happened to her mom and then he was gone. >> you took it as a direct threat? >> absolutely. i was rattled. i remember going into the workout class and my hand was shaking so much i was afraid i was going to drop her. >> did you ever see the person again? >> no. if i did, i would know it right away. >> did you go to the police? >> no. >> why? >> because i was scared.
>> daniels attorney said this morning he's still not sure who that person is, but that they're working on trying to identify him. he is pretty clear, however, he's confident he knows who sent the thug to threaten her. >> we're in the process of identifying who that was. she remembers it like it was yesterday. because like any mother in that situation, it was terrifying. it had to be someone that was related or sent by mr. trump or mr. cohen. >> cohen's attorney is denying it was cohen, say, quote, mr. cohen had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with any such person or incident and does not believe any such person exists or that such an incident ever occurred. as far as the alleged affair is concerned, mr. trump's lawyer has denied it. his wife press secretary has denied it repeatedly. but daniels described the encounter in detail last night. >> you were 27, he was 60. were you physically attracted to
him? >> no. >> not at all? >> no. >> did you want to have sex with him? >> no. but i didn't say no. i'm not a victim. i'm not a -- >> it was entirely consensual? >> oh, yes, yes. >> now, that's despite the fact that daniels herself denied the affair back in january in a statement released by mr. trump's lawyer. saying that it, quote, never happened. well, last night, she said that was a decision she was forced to make. >> so you signed and released a statement that said i'm not denying this affair because i was paid in hush money, i'm denying it because it never happened? that's a lie? >> yes. >> if it was untruthful, why did you sign it? >> because they made it sound like i had no choice. >> no one was putting a gun to your head? >> not physical violence, no. >> you thought there would be legal repercussion? >> the exact sentence used was they can make your life hell in many different ways. >> they being?
>> i'm not exactly sure who they were. i believe it to be michael cohen. >> we've got a great panel to break all this down. midwin charles is an attorney for the law firm midwin charles and associates. grace law is a political reporter for new york 1. christine quinn, vice care of the new york state democratic party. matt welch, editor at large for reason, a libertarian monthly magazine. the legal part of this, midwin, because you have the lawyer saying he's not going to introduce any new evidence right now. that's his right as a lawyer. he's also been going out and giving all these interviews. he was pressed pretty hard on, you know, sort of where's the meat to use an old phrase. is this like any other case and he's entitled to his own legal strategy? or given that this is taking up an enormous time and attention at the white house of the country if he's got something? should he put it out there? >> what i think we're all witnessing is the degradation of the office of the president.
>> we've heard that before. >> right. the fact we are discussing this is just outrageous. we have to keep saying that so it doesn't become our norm. but in terms of what he's doing, i think he is basically playing trump's game. plum from the very beginning has been pretty savvy with the media and savvy of leaking out various different points of data at different points throughout the entire time. the fact that he is deciding to allow specific information out at different times i think is the strategy. >> what specific information at different times though? >> i think it's just the strategy. >> i mean what does he really have? he admits, he comes on today and says "i don't really have anything to say that it was michael cohen." >> no, but let me -- >> -- and yet he's putting that implication out there. >> an important point, and what you said earlier is this fair to the american people, or something of that nature. >> well, i'm saying it's taking a lot of time and attention. >> his client is stormy daniels. donald trump is the president who has an obligation to the
country, to the taxpayers. he, mr. avenoti, has an obligation to one person, stormy daniels. he will put out any information he has, if he has it, at the moment that best serves her. the person who has abandon eed e american people in this, by not making clear his position what happened, just telling the truth, and that hurts the american people and distracts the government, is donald trump. >> a lot of people have been surprised by the fact, grace, that we have not heard from him. i mean, there was a tweet this morning. i don't know if it was about the economy, talked about fake news, maybe it was about what people are all talking about this morning and last night. but we have not seen him go after her in particular the way he has in the past. >> right, and that's what makes this case so unusual. i think for people who may be on the fence and saying, you know, how much should we believe about stormy daniels' story, they see the president staying quiet, and that could be a sign, some are interpreting that as a sign,
that she may have the goods on him and he may be being quiet for a reason, perhaps because she did have e-mails, dvds, videos otherwise that could implicate him in some way. it's also possible, of course, that on the home front, he's trying to keep things calm with the first lady. she was in florida while he came back to washington, d.c. when that "60 minutes" interview aired last night. so it is possible that this has less to do with trying to contain the stormy daniels story and more just trying to maintain peace on the home front. but it is certainly a stark departure for the president to not have gone after her directly to hold his fire. that tweet this morning calling, just saying there's a lot of fake news out there in general seems to be a response to the "60 minutes" debate but not calling it out -- >> yes, exactly. matt what do you think is going on here with the president? first of all, he's keeping quiet. second of all, it is highly unusual. why not come out, to christine's point, he wants to put an end to this, he has other things like the economy he wants to talk
about, maybe the stock market's going to do a little better today. why not say, look, if you've got proof, put it out there, because it didn't happen. >> what's the percentage in it for him? i mean, the reason why this story didn't actually have legs at the beginning of the kind of cycle when we first heard about stormy daniels is because it's a classic dog bites man story. we're not surprised that the president, donald trump, has had relationships with women and paid people to silent him. none of this is actually a surprise, given what we know about his character in new york since 1990, okay. so it's not like a john edwards situation. a lot of people are trying to make this comparison. john edwards, that played against type. he was this sanctimonious character. he kind of treated his wife, who was riddled with cancer, very badly in the situation. >> to say the least. >> it did not play against type. so there's no percentage in him talking about it. the only thing he would say would be to lie about it. it's not helpful really to lie, assuming that this affair
happened which i do assume -- >> there are two things. we should look at the two things that are legally important here. >> right. >> number one, if somebody threatened her -- and i don't think there's anybody who if what she said is true if somebody comes to you and says you've got a pretty daughter there and by the way you know you don't want anything to happen to her, what are the legal implications of that, if they can figure out who this person is? >> well, that's a crime. it is a crime to harass someone and to threaten physical bodily harm. >> so that's the first point of it. >> absolutely. >> the second point is can they tie it back to someone who is involved in the president? >> one of the things she made clear in her interview yesterday and that michael made clear this morning is they don't know who that person is. there's a time before he teased it as though he did possibly know. i think they're in the process of trying to decide. but this happened about ten years ago to my understanding. >> 2011. >> '11 -- >> they're not going to have evidence of it. >> i don't know who's going to have video of that parking lot
where she was or anything like that. >> the other legal question, significant one, the one that relates in ways to john edwards which is the campaign finance violations. >> this is how new york magazine described the situation he finds himself in. quote, cohen claims he made the money out of his own pocket, which would make cohen the perpetrator. but avenatti has documents showing that the payments were sent to cohen at his trump tower location and communicated through his official trump organization e-mail. that strongly indicates and perhaps even proves cohen was making the payment on trump's behalf. >> i think this is where he is in legal trouble and the parallel to john edwards is a fair one and one that we should all be looking at. because even if michael cohen made that payment independently that doesn't absolve donald trump or the campaign of having accepted in a legal campaign contribution. and the timing there is so key.
where there were charges against him. those payments happened about a year-plus before the election. and in this case with donald trump, these payments -- >> weeks. >> this payment happened days even before the election. >> this isn't that, well, who is peripheral to donald trump. somebody who's a campaign contributor. so that does make a difference. >> for sure it does. it also opens up the question of how -- if he's doing this, weeks before the election, how many other people has he been doing this over time? is there a pattern of behavior that's similar? >> we also have him on record threatening people, making all kinds of statements on behalf of donald trump. if you publish this, i'm going to come after you. he's used expliktives. i don't understand how he still has a license to practice law. if he does. because he is violating all kinds of professional rules of responsibilities and ethics in the manner in which he has conducted himself on behalf of a client. and stormy's point last night in
the interview when she was interviewing the chilling threat she says was made to her in the parking lot in las vegas, you know, that is out of the trump playbook, right? even threats that have not just been from michael cohen but from other people who have done business with the president who say that when they tried to get money back on behalf of clients, they received threatening phone calls. the police were brought in. so this is something that does ring true when it comes to how trump -- >> when you're looking at that, that particular legal part of it, or you're looking at the story in general, is it sort of part of the playbook? >> oh, sure. >> is it part of the m.o.? i think there was one other thing -- well, there were several other things. when you look at karen mcdougal, someone else who says she had a longtime affair, she says, with the president, there are a lot of parts of their stories that are similar and i just want to play one part of that. >> he's like, wow, you, you are special you remind me of my daughter, you know, he's like
you're smart, beautiful and a woman to be reckoned with and i like you, i like you. >> you didn't see the looks on the faces of my panel but they -- no, you all went -- you all cringed. >> it makes your skin crawl. >> but beyond that skin crawling part of it, it is very similar to the story that karen mcdougal told. >> and that's one of the big problems the president has here. everything we're seeing follows his history. whether it was in real estate or with women. and other statements he's made about his daughter that are horrifying. there is no wiggle room for him to say this doesn't seem, sound or look like me. it absolutely does. and he owes the american people a direct answer to this. it's the only allegation against him that he hasn't steadfastly denied. and remember, he put all the blame on al franken and said he should be out of the senate because he didn't deny it. by not denying it, he was
admitting that it happened. if that's what we have to take our own words and apply that to him, he's admitting this happened by not denying it. >> we could talk about this throughout the hour. we have this breaking news i want to get to. we mentioned it at the top of the show. the u.s. just announcing it's going to expel 60 russian diplomats. i want to go live to the white house. nbc's jeff bennett is there. what details can you bring to us? >> the expelling of the 60 diplomats includes 48 diplomats here in russia, here in d.c. who are assigned to the russian embassy, and another 12 who were assigned to the u.n. in new york. a senior administration official tells us these believed russian agents have seven days to leave the u.s. they tell us, chris, the u.s. believes these diplomats are using their diplomatic status as a cover. we're also told the u.s. is going to close the russian consulate in seattle. this is all described as being a show of solidarity following the poisoning of a russian agent on british soil.
remember a few weeks ago sarah sanders said the u.s. stands on the side of the uk. this is an effort to match those statements with some action, chris. >> jeff bennett, thank you. matt, let me get your reaction to that. there's been so much back and forth with this president who seems to often be doing things like calling president putin and saying congratulations on stealing an election yet again. and then you have action that has been taken whether it's in the form of sanctions or you're expelling people. what do you make of it? >> this is a much more dramatic move than i would have expected for sure. not just with trump. i mean, this compares to what barack obama did after the election in december of 2016. which then generated a lot of the stories that came afterward because then the trump transition team had back channel communications to the russians and all this. this is a pretty dramatic move. it suggests some people in the white house are very serious about this. not even talking about something that happened on u.s. soil. this is a british case. it's a very strong statement of
support. >> critics of the president will say yes, maybe it's a strong statement, it's also a distraction. the president wants to change the subject. >> well, i mean, it's hard not to argue that, right, because you've also seen that pattern with the president. you have to agree it is dramatic, what has happened here. you can't say that it's not. it's just so confounding though. that we really didn't hear the president speak out about the poisoning at all. and he spoke to putin and gave him a big high five over the telephone at the time relevant to that and has said nothing and then this happened. i have to say cynically i think this relates to the mueller investigation. and that he's going to put out tough russian policies to try to make the point that he doesn't like the russians and therefore couldn't have colluded with them, although all the evidence indicates that he did. >> you think that's what's going on here, matt? >> i hesitate to start connecting dots i'm not personally aware of. at some point, you make a policy because you're making a policy. and trying to, you know,
crimin criminalanalogize -- trying to invent on the fly, there's not a lot of percentage in that. the closing down of the consulate in seattle is very peculiar. i think we'll find out more interesting facts about that coming forward. >> all right, you guys are staying with us. up next, two lawyers expected to join president trump's legal team now say they can't do it. is the president running out of people to defend him in the mueller investigation? and later, what's next after hundreds of thousands of people march for their lives? >> since this movement began, people have asked me, do you think any change is going to come from this? look around. we are the change. rs' ad campain was a success for choicehotels.com badda book. badda boom. this year, we're taking it up a notch. so in this commercial we see two travelers at a comfort inn with a glow around them, so people watching will be like,
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major new challenges for president trump this morning. a legal team in a statement of flux with only one full-time personal lawyer representing him at a critical stage of the mueller investigation. two washington attorneys, joe digenova and his wife, victoria toensing announcing over the weekend they cannot join the president's legal team due to conflicts of interests. president trump tweeted, quote, many lawyers in top law firms want to represent me in the russian case. don't believe the fake news narrative it is hard to find a lawyer that wants to take this on. fame and fortune will never be
turned down by a lawyer, though some are conflicted. the turmoil couldn't come at a more crucial time as the president's attorneys, the attorney who was doing it isn't there anymore, john dowd, negotiated an interview between trump and mueller's investigators. my panel, christine quinn and matt welch. how was this not vetted, either by the white house or by them? >> i don't understand it. we were talking at the break, the wife is a lawyer. i've been asked to be in different boards in government capacities, private citizen capacities, and i always have to check with her to make sure her firm doesn't have any business relevant to that board. >> if they do, you say no and it doesn't get announced publicly probably. >> the vetting is run before you can sign a contract, take a client. so how this happened makes no
sense at all from the way you run government. >> i think the real thing here is the vetting is whatever the president of the united states says at a given moment. so everyone plays catch-up afterward. his tweet about every lawyer wants fame and fortune and no one would turn it down. here's how bad it is for his legal team. my neighbor's dad was asked to be his lawyer. this is months ago -- >> maybe you have a really nice neighborhood. >> no, i mean, yes, it is very nice. >> he's not a supreme court nominee, right? >> there's a bunch of people who won't touch this case because he's a bad client. he also has a very bad track record, as christine knows in new york, of paying his contractors or his lawyers. there's a lot of law firms in washington who they won't be able to get good young talent because good young talent doesn't want to be associated with it. >> he's got jay sekula who is
basically known for being more constitutional, constitutional issues were his thing. he doesn't have an experienced criminal defense attorney. i mean, look, we're all not going to make suppositions we don't know anything about, but if i'm on mueller's legal team, i'm like, they're making this too easy for us. >> you don't ever want to be in a criminal investigation or a mueller-type investigation without a good defense lawyer, period. >> they have an entire team of people who are so expert on all of these issues. >> they'll keep going and going. look, robert mueller is about as legitimate as you can get. as real a guy running this. he's got tons of people. they will keep looking. the president or anybody would be standing there defenseless is a recipe for disaster. >> there's a -- the reporting on this has shown trump thinks he's his own lawyer and he's run this before. let's remember, this is one -- >> you know what they say about
that. >> he's one of the most litigious americans in the united states prior to becoming president, prior to the mueller investigation. >> and many people who have written about this have said he actually had some success bullying or sticking with it, going, he just kept at it, right? he thought that could work here? >> right. >> in the context of being a manhattan real estate tabloid gossip guy. you can run this. because that's new york politics. >> it's not really law, it's muscle. this is law. >> right. you can't -- he's trying to transplant that into the white house, into washington, and those are just two different cultures. he's having an impossible time trying to find people who can -- >> there is no rational way you can't look at this situation and whoever the person is that they're looking at, that a cohesive legal team with a real strategy is an absolute must. having said that, there's a lot of people in a lot worse trouble than donald trump arguably,
serious criminal, can all get lawyers, right? yet maggie haberman tweeted, can't be stressed enough, he's a sitting president with personal wealth and few, if any, white shoe firms want to work for him. >> would you work for him as a lawyer? >> yes. >> you can't control your client. he is going to tweet. he started tweeting about mueller. i think it's one of the reasons why john dowd exited the scene. >> he said he wanted to be interviewed with kind of no stipulations around it. the client did that. over his legal team's advice. how do you deal with that if you're a lawyer? it's impossible. >> he says there's a lot of people who want to be his lawyer. are still going to wait and see. because obviously there are people who have said no to him. then you have the best cabinet in the world he promised he was going to have. now chris ruddy, the ceo of news max, on the news yesterday saying that veterans affairs secretary david shulkin is about to be shown the door.
then added this. >> the president told me he's perplexed by all of these reports there's chaos at the white house or mass staff changes. he told me that he thinks the white house is operating like a smooth machine. his words. >> perplexed. here's some recent departures the past few weeks. ga gary cohn. there's rex tillerson. secretary of state. of course john dowd. a smooth machine? >> actually, i can see where he is getting that in his own brain. in this sense. especially on the foreign policy shake-up here. he has removed two people who are skeptics of some of his ideas. hr mcmaster very famously wrote, his great best selling book about vietnam, about how the generals didn't do their country a service because they didn't object enough to the president. rex tillerson does not agree with president trump about the iran deal. both mike pompeo at state and john bolton agree with the president about the iran nuclear deal.
he's removed obstacles. it looks smooth from his point of view going forward. >> we all know, he's admitted, he likes to run an operation, whether it's business or the white house with staff fighting with each other. with kind of internal chaos to see who beats whom out. so for his perspective, this is how he thinks things should run. it's a terrible way to run anything, nonetheless, the government. >> by the way, "the washington post" is reporting in addition to john kelly, he wants to keep ben carson. >> there you go. i mean, a man who spends thousands and thousands and tens of thousands of dollars on furniture is not completely truthful about it. and then throws his wife under the bus at a congressional hearing. i mean, perfect what else could you want? >> all these votes of confidence, what is the expiration date on them? >> that's a good question. matt and christine are staying with us. we want to get to our morning primer now. everything you need to know to start your day. there was that massive and
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and will soon abandon his rifle, blend in with the students and escape and walk free for an hour before his arrest. fight hard for your lives before it's someone else's job. >> jaust a few of the voices. hundreds of thousands of students, parents, activists, all taking to streets for march for our lives rally, demanding action on gun reform. let me bring back christine quinn and matt welch. first of all, we've been talking about this since day one. the way that these young people have expressed themselves, the thoughtfulness of it, the power of it, has been amazing. having said that, while it this time make a difference, christine? >> you have to believe it will. >> why do you have to believe that? >> because otherwise it's hard to go on. so you have to believe it will. >> what are the signs that it will? >> look, they've got the governor of florida, who's never, right, been supportive of any of this. they've gotten his attention.
he's never supported any gun control measures. so that's significant. it wouldn't have happened before. although we say nothing's happened since new town, the truth is that in connecticut, because of the efforts of the new town parents and community, connecticut has state level some of the toughest gun law s in th country. so things did happen there. i believe these students who are just on the cusp of voting are a voice that will make politicians pay attention because they know they're a new group of people who can have an effect on them. and at some point, people's hearts just have to be affected by this level of loss. 409 shootings since friday. it's just inhuman and has to come to an end. >> one thing we did see, matt, was people going around and getting people to sign up. voter registration. we'll see whether or not these students, these young people, actually turn out and vote. but do you see anything changing? >> on the state and local level, yes, which it continues to do.
there's also an interesting kind of juris prudential cases. reaffirming the second amendment as an individual right. that somehow it's going to be going forward period. however, that does not mean that's how guns are going to be regulated. there are a number of cases, pretty strong gun control measures taken on the state and local level. >> new york, governor cuomo. >> new york and other places. they've been challenged in the courts. the skouupreme court has refuseo hear them. so there's a lot of wiggle room. in the original decision, scalia wrote this does not preclude government from regulating games. it will happen on the state and local level way more than it will happen on the national level because on the national level, it's a hard question. you have people who have legitimate differences of opinion on the best way to regulate guns. there is some movement right
now. some republicans, the jeff flakes of the world, rick scott, elsewhere, are coming up with marginal kind of moves or small moves, you know, changing the age from 18 to 21 and these kinds of things. the big things are going to happen at state and local, not at a national level. >> i agree with everything you just said. never forget as it will move up to congress and the senate what tip o'neill said, all politics is local. if the state you're in and the local governments around you are doing it, it will begin to become an issue in congressional elections. >> but the past has not been firmly to gun control and congressional elections. gun rights are popular in america. you really need to go only so far if you're going to win a national-style election going against -- if you start talking about gun, you know, seizures or taking ars, which are a very popular rifle. if you're going to ban that gun, that's a difficult political fight to win. >> i agree with you but i think the nra has historically
outorganized the gun control lobby time and time again and this rally happening in such a huge way, so quickly, and it including voter registration and other things is an indication those of us on the gun control side now are learning to organization in a better way and that could, we'll see, change. >> well, the nra is not going to back down. we saw it, a host for nra tv -- well, if we can pull that up. i'm kind of jumping ahead. but he blasted the students from parkland for their activism. let me play that. >> to all the kids from parkland getting ready to use your first amendment to attack everyone else's second amendment at your march on saturday, i wish a hero like blaine had been at marjorie douglas high school last month. because your classmates would still be alive and no one would know your namings. because the media would have completely and utterly ignored your story. >> so you have that and then you have rick santorum saying how about kids instead of looking to someone else to solve their be pros do something about maybe
taking cpr classes. >> he's an evil person. he's an evil person. he should immediately apologize for that. first of all, these are children. when in america do we tell children, hey, you're on your own, figure it out. and figure it out when it's a man coming at you with an automatic weapon. killing people all around you. by the way, even if you go into the logic of that, where would they have been doing this cpr while their friends are bleeding out? >> tourniquets are more appropriate in that situation. >> there were any number of er doctors who tweeted pretty forcefully and surgeons about just the ridiculousness of that from the medical perspective. >> what he's trying to do, which happens a lot when people have suffered as victims of crimes, is he's trying to revictimize the victims. because they believe -- bad people believe that will make the victims and the survivors silent. let me tell you something, rick santorum, these young people are not going to be silent, not because of you, not ever. >> what you see a lot of is reaction from people who feel
like these kids are getting the cindy sheehan treatment back from 2003 or 2004, that everyone is saying they're wonderful, they're noble, they're perfect and people would don't agree with their points of view are resisting or coming back against that and i think that's understandable. trashing them as people and making nonsense comments like that is not. >> you can disagree but not like that. >> coming up, there are 225 days until the midmaterial electiter. now another incumbent says he's out. first, march is women's history month. today, i want to highlight our #onegre #onegreatwoman. a pioneer in computers. she created the first programming technology that changed the flow of information. including one of the first easy to use computer languages. her work helped pave the way for modern day processing. admiral died in 1992 at the age of 85. vere plaque psoriasis,
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come november. he discussed his decision last night on msnbc's kacie d.c., including the fact his district was made more democratic leaning after districts were redrawn in his state earlier this year. >> it's a very challenging job serving in congress with a young family. i accepted that and planned on running for relength. the supreme court then in a matter of week or so decided to invault the map, the first time in area where the state had done that and altered the district. >> 23 run wills not seek re-election. the move comes after the latest journal poll with democrats with a double digit van over republicans heading in the new midterm. joining me from capitol hill
garrett hague and cnn reporter gary. so, garrett does this speak to republicans and what they're going to face in the fall? >> it's not about redistricting, look at charley dent, another republican who announced he was retiring months ago before this redistricting came into place. a lot of the -- not necessarily pause they disagree with hi policies because they disagree with how it makes their jobs up here. costello is not somebody who came to congress to answer questions about stormy daniels or about the person in the president's cabinet who got fired this week. this white house has made being in the majority in this congress not fun and not something where members like costello, who's a very active member up here, has worked on big legislation are
feeling like they're not able to contribute, get on t.v. and do the thing that they came to washington to do. and that's contributing to this wave of retirement in this sort of flat emotional space for these republicans who just don't seem to be enjoying a lot of what they're doing on capitol hill. >> you see it in their faces when they get asked these questions about other topics. and aleck you got the new piece on re-election for david nunes that stems his roll in the russian investigation. you say other californians can be if trouble too. explain that. >> right chris, california is going to be crucial to the house thanks to its size. a lot of fired up liberals and suburban night identities. -- that doesn'tin' include nunes bhoz a yew phoenix target on his back because of the his
role in the russian probe. he's on track to raise a million dollars this quarter which is huge, he was the number two in the entire country raising money online in february only after conor lamb. when you think about the seating the sflts need to win the house a big chunk could come from california. >> lelook at nunes, he paid his challenger but more than 30 points and this is a district that donald trump won easily over hillary clinton. would the russia issue really prevent republican voters from coming out and voting for hip again? >> this is a district that we shouldn't even be talking about in the context of re-election, it should be off the map entirely. because of the enthusiasm on the democrat side and the larger swirls around the issue you still have an uphill climb. so far the issue has not -- down
in southern california, another yew phoenix case on the trump russia probe. democrats tell me they think if something big happens, you have paul manafort coming up in september, who knows what mueller homes is function to do, that can change the mid terms overall. it just contributes to the wider sense of chaos that is turning people off of republican party and the trump white house. >> garrett i do want to ask you about the new article by jonathan allen also on dot com on president trump's potential impact. republicans are defending cluster of coastal states like california, florida, new jersey, new york and others where the trump may be more hind drans than help. what's the sense you get from
lawmakers about the potential impact president trump could have on the midterms? >> every republican lawmaker would like some of the money that president trump would raise but not all would like to see him in their districts. you look at some other places like in texas, the 7th district, my hometown of houston, they'd love to get donald trump down there because he's still popular in the state. these random places around the country where it's going to be fascinating where he shows up. in kansas, ku, liberal college town there's a pick up there. it's going to be fascinating to see how republicans will fit these pieces together over the next couple of months. coming up, facebook in full damage control releasing a full page apology ad. now new concerns as its revealed
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