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went further closing this consulate in seattle american officials said moscow used to spy on a boeing factory and a navy base with the nation's largest arsenal of nuclear weapons. >> time will come. they will understand what kind of grave mistake. this morning the white house is firing back at stormy daniels. >> the president strongly, clearly and has consistently denied these underlying claims. >> he doesn't believe she was threatend? >> no, he does not. >> her attorney, michael avenatti, telling msnbc, they're getting closer to determining who made that threat. >> in light of the "60 minutes" interview we've received a handful of leads a couple which are promising. >> the porn star is suing donald trump's personal lawyer michael cohen for defamation. >> we're suing him for telling effectively a lie about my client and his lie was that the affair did not happen effectively. we're going to prove, in fact, it did happen and, therefore, his denial was inaccurate. >> if you have an android phone and you use facebook messenger
you may have unwittingly given facebook permission to track every call, every message you've sent. that's just the most recent privacy concern that has the company on the defensive. at least 37 state attorneys general demanding answers and the federal trade commission launching an investigation into what it calls substantial concerns about the privacy practices of facebook. >> this morning the commerce department is getting sclamlamm for its decision to add a question about citizenship to the 2020 census. the state of california is suing the trump administration over the decision. >> we've concluded that the benefits to the voting rights act enforcement of asking the question outweighs these other issues. >> so much to get to. start with this morning, more than 100 russian diplomats worldwide heading home. the trump administration joined the uk and nearly two dozen other countries in what british prime minister theresa may has
characterized as, quote, the largest collective expulsion of russian intelligence officers in history. it is a sharp turn from president trump's past rhetoric on russia. just a week ago, he ignored his own advisors and called vladimir putin to congratulate him on his victory in what was largely seen as a sham election. but, in seattle on monday, people who showed up at the russian consu late were turned away. as the administration shuttered that mission down. the diplomatic shift part of the global effort to punish russia, for the poisoning of a form spy and his daughter on british soil. of course russia denies any involvement in the attack. earlier this morning, foreign minister sergey lavrov issued a warning saying we should certainly respond, no doubt about it. we are not willing and will not tolerate such a low conduct. when a country is asking one or two diplomats to leave the country at the same time, whispering excuses into our ears, it is a result of massive pressure, massive intimidation,
which has now unfortunately become washington's main tool in international affairs. and in washington, the russian ambassador echoed the warning. >> i am sure that time will come. they will understand what kind of grave mistake they did. >> so let's take a look at the diplomatic situation right now. across north america, europe and australia, scores of russian diplomats are being shown the exits by more than two dozen countries. the uk pushed 23 russians out, the second most after the u.s. expulsions, canada, australia, european nations, also standing in solidarity with ireland and the republic of macedonia, just the latest to join the list. just a short time ago, nato announced it withdrew the accreditation of the russian mission staff. this is all to punish russia for the military grade nerve agent attack on a small english town earlier this month.
a charge the kremlin denies. but theresa may says 130 people could have been exposed to the chemical weapon that left a former spy and his daughter in a coma. so here's the impact of the retaliatory action on kremlin operations here in the u.s. 60 russians heading home from this country, 12 leaving the u.n. mission in new york city, another 48 in the russian embassy in washington, d.c. just under 400 russian diplomats will stay in the united states. the russians will now have diplomatic offices just in new york city, washington, d.c., and houston. the seattle consulate closed as part of this diplomatic fray. officials citing its proximity to boeing and a u.s. navy submarine yard. last year the consulate in san francisco was searched and seized by officials in retaliation for russian ordering u.s. diplomats out of that country. russian trade missions in washington and new york were also closed at that time. joining me, foreign correspondent richard engel and
former under secretary of state for political affairs, nicolas burns. good to see both of you. richard, let me start with you, we're hearing a lot of rhetoric from russia but how much are we really expecting to happen here? >> well, the situation is still ongoing. just a short while ago you mentioned 130 russian diplomats expelled worldwide. the number is actually closer to 150. nato expelling seven today. other countries seeming to join this bandwagon which is moving and continues to expand. there are now more than two dozen countries or entities that have taken actions against russia. this is a very significant move. it is a move directly against the russian ministry of foreign affairs, against russia's ability not only to conduct diplomatic actions but to gather intelligence. it is a significant move. russia saying that this is not a big deal, that it's blackmail from the united states, pressuring the world community,
bullying the world community, but it was perhaps a larger response or a stronger response against russia than russia may have anticipated after the poisoning in this country of a former russian spy and his daughter. >> ambassador burns, as you heard the ambassador and sergey lavrov threatening the united states, threatening the countries, what kind of retaliation do you expect? >> i think you have to fully expect putin, a kgb person after all, will hit back and we will see a series of european and canadian and american diplomats expelled from russia. we expected that. i think the trump administration was right to agree to this. we had to respond to this. it was really the french president, emmanuel macron, the german chancellor and british prime minister who led this and said this is the first use of a nerve agent since world war ii. there had to be a big response. it's the largest expulsion ever. and i think the hope is by the
western countries this is a price that putin is going to have to pay, possibly it will deter him from doing something likes this again, exposing civilians to a nerve agent attack in the future. >> are they looking at this as a change, the white house says this is proof positive that we're not soft on russia, the president himself, of course, just had that friendly conversation with putin congratulating him on the election, offering to meet, can the white house sell that position, that look what we're doing, look at the cooperation we're showing, look at how tough we are, we're not soft on russia? >> look, i would say two things. first of all i think you have to give the trump administration credit for joining in the action and for doing it in such a big way. but, when president putin and president trump talked last week, president trump did not raise the nerve agent attack. did not raise the russian interference in our election. and so i think the message has been watered down. yesterday, of course, this was a state department announcement of
these expulsions by the united states. it would have been much stronger if president trump had just made a 30-second announcement in his own voice that he was doing this to protect the united states and our nato allies but he passed up the opportunity and i think that was a mistake. >> yeah. i mean they said he was involved from the beginning and personally made the call that the united states was going to take part in this action. we've heard nothing from him. he tweets on almost anything, not even a tweet, let alone making a statement. the statement that did come from the white house ambassador was made by the press secretary. >> that's right. the press secretary and then the state department really took the lead in most of this announcement. we have a problem right now. putin is our strongest adversary in the world, and he's testing us on the election system, the nerve agent, what he continues to do in occupying and annexing crimea. there has to be a response. the senate voted 98-2 for
sanctions last summer. they've been implemented weakly. weakly by the trump administration. so what we need is a stronger american leadership role here. i'm hoping that that could possibly come from john bolton or mike pompeo when they take their respective jobs. both of themes historically have been very tough critics of russia. can we hope they will have an impact on president trump? let's hope so. because it's been a weak performance so far. >> richard, you spent a lot of time covering russia and there is a school of thought this might be good for vladimir putin, he uses this as part of as one russian journalist tweeted it gets the country behind him in the besieged fortress complex scenario. could this help putin, richard? >> well, a russian official connected to putin's re-election campaign actually put out a tweet thanking the british for all the sanctions. this was before the latest expulsion of diplomats on the eve of putin's re-election.
because, the official said, it helped rally support. back in moscow, putin, the kremlin, sympathetic officials are putting out a line this is all made up, this is a campaign against russia, this is russia phobia, that russia would never deliberately poison someone in a foreign country with this nerve agent that is made in russia. one russian official said do you think we will leave a business calling card next to the body. it's preposterous, too many clues that tie back to russia and russia could never do it. as it repeats and russian officials repeat these arguments time and time again, there are many in russia who will say, yes, you're right, this is -- it is too preposterous, no way russia would be this bold and obvious, it must be a plot to undermine putin and we have to rally around him. but now we're seeing significant diplomatic action, 150 almost
150 russian diplomats expelled from countries all over the world that means russia is slightly more isolated than it would be. whether that helps putin we will see. but the key thing to understand i think about this is what you went back to. this is not what you just mentioned earlier, not just a -- the killing of a former spy. this was killing a former spy with a military-grade nerve agent. i just returned from the place where this poisoning took place and spoke to people who were there that found the bodies or found the victims. you had two people sitting on a park bench foaming at the mouth, collapsed, rigid, as people are walking by them, a first responder came in and he was hospitalized. so you had two individuals incapacitated, sitting on a public bench in a rural city in this country. that shocked many countries around the world to take action. they want to draw a line in the sand this is unacceptable
behavior. >> we will hear from theresa may coming up in this hour. thanks to both of you. i want to get to that breaking news from washington, d.c., law enforcement officials telling nbc news one person now in custody after a series of suspicious packages, some containing bomb components, were sent to government addresses on the eastern seaboard, most of them in the washington area. the officials say the suspect was arrested in the pacific northwest and is likely to face charges later today. we're now told there were 12 devices in all sent to facility including the national defense university, mail sorting services for the cia and secret service. none exploded. officials are trying to determine if they actually were bombs. federal officials say they do not believe they came from the austin bombing suspect who killed himself last week after a confrontation with police. we'll keep you posted on that breaking news. civil rights groups are calling it racist and unconstitutional. the 2020 census will now ask
people whether they're u.s. citizens. what happens if noncitizens are too afraid to fill out the forms. the new policy and how it could impact you next. plus, new legal dra m ma surrounding the president this morning. stormy daniels who claimed she had an affair with donald trump back in 2006, is suing trump's personal lawyer. through it all, president trump uncharacteristically silent. more on that coming up. you're watching "velshi and ruhle" live on msnbc. le things . that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable after just 4 months, ... with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. otezla may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. tell your doctor if these occur. otezla is associated with an increased
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welcome back. california is now suing the federal government after a late night announcement that the 2020 census will include a controversial question about citizenship status. civil rights groups say the question is racist and unconstitutional. but commerce secretary wilbur ross who overseeing the census bureau defended the move this morning. >> the justice department feels they need it so they can enforce section 2 of the voting rights act which protects minority voters. that's the genesis of the request for adding this question back in. we've done elaborate analyses within the census department and we've concluded that the benefits to the voting rights act enforcement of asking the question outweighs these other issues. >> the question dates back 200 years from 1820, but pulled from
the census in 1950. critics worry bringing it back could lead to lower rates and an under count, costing california one seat in the house of representatives. joining me vanita gupta. you heard what wilbur ross had to say, he said to protect people or enforce the voting rights act, what do you say? >> we should have a serious question about the motive when attorney general jeff sessions, who has done -- taken a number of steps to undermine the enforcement of the voting rights act at the justice department, is asking to add a citizenship in the name of voting rights enforcement. he i oversaw my time at the justice department and at no point was this question necessary for vigorous enforcement of the voting rights act. the government relies on system data that is obtained from the
american community survey. the motivation here seems to be so a rouse for adding a question that could very seriously depress participation and result in a failed census altogether. it is quite alarming. >> there's no way to predict that. secretary ross says he directed census bureau to put the question last so people aren't scared off and the center for immigration studies which does advocate for stricter immigration limits said people's unwillingness to cooperate was going on before president trump was ever elected and there's no way to legitimately assume this is going to stop people from responding, what would you say to them? >> well, the census bureau actually conducted its own focus groups in the last several months and found heightened levels of fear among immigrant communities was going to pose a very serious and unprecedented danger to communities filling out the census. and i also think it's not going to be as surprise for any --
it's not rocket science for folks to understand in the climate, in the political climate, anti-immigrant fervor of the trump administration that the fear among immigrant communities about reporting anything to the government was going to be an uphill battle. but now with the addition of this question, there is a very serious legitimate fear that census itself could end up being an inaccurate count and mind you, you know, people need to understand why does the census matter? because political apportionment and federal dollars get dolled out to every jurisdiction in this country based on a census count. it carries huge implications for political and economic impowerment. >> which is the point of the california suit, they could lose money, they could lose one congressional seat and also concerns that there would be on a smaller basis, legislative seats that essentially would be reapportioned so state legislatures. is this a way as some of the critics have charged, do you
think, for republicans to stack the deck in their favor? >> i think there's a real concern about that. i think that there's both an anti-immigrant motive but also when president trump's campaign last week sent out a fund-raiser pushing for the addition of this question, that really kind of laid bare the political agenda behind this question. what is ironic, though, is that there are a lot of republican mayors that are against the addition of this question because they know that in order to provide services for hospitals, policing, services that need to apply to every single person, not just citizens in their communities, that it could carry huge consequences for their ability to fund those services. this is really an issue that raises bipartisan alarm but certainly the politization of the census would have huge dire consequences for the next ten years in the country. >> good to see you. thank you for coming on. >> thank you. >> up next, stormy daniels ramping up the legal fight surrounding her alleged affair with president trump before he
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welcome back to "velshi and ruhle." we have breaking news out of louisiana where the attorney general just held a news conference in the case of alton sterling. you can see it's ongoing. jeff landry announcing no charges will be filed against the two police officers in the incident. steriling who is black, was shot and killed by a white police officer in july of 2016 during a struggle outside a convenience store in baton rouge that sparked weeks of unrest and clashes between protesters and police, all caught on people's phones. the justice department declined to bring federal charges against those officers last may. we'll continue to take a look at this story. mean time, one of the austin bomber's house mates called a person of interest in the investigation. according to texas congressman michael mccall chair of the homeland security committee he says all seven of the bombers' devices were built at his home near austin. two people, of course, were killed in those bombings. white house lawyers are
investigating whether two loans to jared kushner's family business violate criminal law or federal ethics regulations. according to the wall street journal. last month "the new york times" reported those two businesses gave kushner company loans worth more than a half a billion dollars after meeting with kushner at the white house. an attorney for kushner says the white house consell concluded there were no issues involving jared last month. the legal battle between president trump and stormy daniels is intensifying. the adult film actor, whose name is stephanie clifford, has amended her original suit against president trump adding his lawyer who she claims defamed her when he said she lied about having an affair with trump. a lawyer for michael cohen had already accused daniels of defamation on sunday night following her interview with "60 minutes." the white house denies allegations of an affair between the president and daniels and at the briefing yesterday, deputy
press secretary shaw said the president also doesn't buy her claim she was threatened not to talk saying there's just no proof that ever happened. for more, i'm joined by katie fang, legal analyst and aaron blake, senator political reporter for the "washington post" covering this for us. katie, there were two people in that room, either the affair happened or didn't. does cohen or daniels meet the bar for defamation of character or if there is proof out there it's about whoever is not telling the truth? >> so here's the thing on sunday night after that "60 minutes" interview we get the cease and desist letter served on stormy daniels through her lawyer telling her you defamed michael cohen, but now you have michael cohen being sued by stormy daniels in california federal court for an amended complaint of defamation. what's key about that is, in my legal opinion, that new count of defamation falls outside the scope of any settlement agreement that was entered into
back in 2016 between stormy daniels and essential consultants llc and the alias david denison. consider this, if that count of defamation is outside the scope of any type of binding arbitration and is at the scope of any type of settlement agreement there is no nondisclosure obligation on the part of stormy daniels to not talk about it and the underlying facts that would give rise to a defamation cause is whether there was an affair between donald trump and stormy daniels. >> smart move by avenatti. >> excuse me? it was a great move, clever. >> smart move by avenatti. >> i think so. a clever move by michael avenatti, the lawyer for stormy daniels, to do that and once again, the amended complaint is filed and we hear absolutely zip from donald trump. rod shaw saying there's no corroborating evidence. there might be a cd with texts and photos left to be scene. >> you might say that the silence from donald trump is deafening. i think that's the way you put it. there is almost nothing and no
one he won't tweet about. i mean if they irritate him. your colleagues at the "post" report privately he's called can the scanned al hoax and i guess as proof of that, he said to his folks at the white house he doesn't find daniels attractive. history would tell us he has to be wanting to put his point of view out there. what's going on? >> it's totally and utterly bizarre. this is a guy who during the 2016 campaign called his female accusers liars. this is a guy who just last week we saw joe biden talk about if they were in high school they would want to fight the president. ratchets that up even more and hits back at joe biden over that. this is maybe the one example of the president having a golden opportunity to punch back to defend himself publicly and for some reason he's not taking it. i think that there is a sense that maybe there's some strategy here, maybe he's listening to his legal team that doesn't want
him to engage this, hopes it's going to go away. but i don't think it's going away. this is not just about the alleged affair. this is about whether there was a violation that occurred when the payment was made by michael cohen to stormy daniels and the stormy daniels camp by the way, michael avenatti, has shown a really -- a real knack for keeping this in the news for almost being very trump-ish in his conduct here. >> yeah, that's what's really interesting about this, isn't it? i mean donald trump, who is the master of using the media, he tweets when he wants to divert attention being so quiet and yet you have michael avenatti, you could make the argument, i mean because what we're learning is that this whole decision on whether or not this violated any campaign finance laws could take a year or longer. >> right. >> that's not going to stay in the news, you know, piece by piece by piece, but he has done an incredible job and you could argue that that's a victory for him and his client just by keeping it top of mind for
everybody. >> right. exactly. the more this stays -- this is not just a legal battle. it's a battle for the public's attention which the president often commands. i think if you look at that "60 minutes" interview in particular, the part where stormy daniels said that she didn't find the president attractive, despite what they were doing, i think was really, you know, that was an effort to goad the president, clearly, and now the president, at least behind closed doors is apparently talking about how she wasn't his type either. so it may be only a matter of time before the president spurns whatever advice he has here and can't help himself but fight back. >> of course this is only one part of what the president is facing legally. the big picture, of course, katie, is the russia investigation. now we've got two more lawyers, dan webb and tom buchanan, declining to join the president's team on the russia investigation because of business conflicts and we assume also they are well aware he has lost reputation because he doesn't take advice from his
lawyers, that he has a history of accusations that he doesn't pay his attorneys, so where is he going to find a good defense lawyer who can navigate this kind of incredibly complex case? >> so as it's been aptly noted by ari melber last night, there are more lawyers now that are involved in the stormy daniels litigation than there are dealing with the defense of donald trump in the mueller investigation and that is a bizarre imbalance there. you're not going to find a lawyer who wants to take on a client who is going to completely ignore good, sound, counsel. that's a dangerous client. frankly when the client is the president of the united states and is looking at possible potential impeachments, who wants to be the lawyer that represented the president when he was impeached? not me. so that's going to be a real challenge for the president to find somebody who is willing to sit there and basically be ignored when they tell somebody like trump that this is the law, this is the procedure, and the
person like trump says, you know what, i'm not doing this, i'ms no going to listen to you and tweets out some outrageous thing like on sunday, lawyers only want fame and fortune and bill more to make more money. that's offensive. consider the fact that most law firms don't want to be affiliated with the president and that's pretty egregious and striking. >> talk about the one thing that's really hanging over him right now he wants to talk to those investigators himself. they're very worried about that. the people left on his legal team. katie and aaron, good to see both of you. thank you so much. the federal trade commission investigating facebook's privacy practices. coming up, we'll talk about whether it's enough to push ceo mark zuckerberg to testify before lawmakers on capitol hill. and we're watching the markets for you this hour. the dow has continued its rebound this morning after dipping last week on fears of a trade war. you see right now, up 120. stay with us. you're watching "velshi and ruhle" live on msnbc. ing.
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this isn't the first time they've been in hot water with the reg xwlaer to agency, let's look at the relationship between facebook and the ftc and potential consequences. let's start back in 2011. the ftc accuses facebook of engaging in, quote, unfair and deceptive practices including misleading users about what information was being shared with third-party apps falsely claiming it certified the security of certain apps and retaining access to users' information when they deactivate or delete their accounts despite claiming otherwise. in response the ftc slapped facebook with a massive settlement that requires, among other things, that the company establish and maintain a comprehensive program designed to address the privacy of its users and take active steps to protect their information. now, two former federal officials who helped work on facebook's settlement said the cambridge analytica case may have violated the agreement. analytica as we learned acquired
the private information of more than 50 million facebook users in 2014 and could make for an expensive problem for facebook because the maximum penalty if found guilty is $40,000 per violation. if you want to say 50 million profiles acquired by cambridge, that would come out to a whopping $2 trillion. trillion with a "t." for reference that's more than the entire gdp of canada. pretty hefty price tag i would say even for one of the biggest companies in the world. so for more let's bring in william, a former commissioner of the ftc, and tony rahm, tech policy reporter for the "washington post." it's good to see both of you. william, let me start with you, how likely is it that facebook will have to pay any big fine? what do you think will happen next? >> i think the ftc is going to examine this with great care because the settlement you referred to was such a foundation for the ftc's modern privacy program. the ftc insisted it would
monitor this agreement carefully and would not hesitate to impose severe civil penalties if there was an infringement. if i had to guess right now, i would say there is a likelihood there will be some fine imposed. as you mentioned the economic exposure is astronomical. >> astronomical possible exposure, but in reality the fines we'll see what they are, there is a bigger question here, obviously, tony, that question is, are more regulations coming, not just for facebook, but tech companies in general. are people a year from now who access those accounts be safer, will their privacy be protected more than now, where does that stand is it. >> yeah. this is the big question in washington, d.c. it's what our lawmakers and federal regulators going to learn from this facebook incident and will this finally be the thing that pushes members of congress to adopt some form of comprehensive on-line privacy law, the likes of which have alluded lawmakers because of
lobbying by tech giants like facebook. it will begin with scrutiny and that's why members of congress are demanding that mark zuckerberg come testify. there are at least three congressional committees that want zuckerberg to answer some questions. so far facebook hasn't been super clear about whether it will send zuckerberg but he should expect to see a pretty tough grilling if he does submit to that in a couple weeks. >> when it comes to massive companies like this, here you have it and we saw theresa may standing before parliament, they wanted zuckerberg to come, he said no. that he's going to send some of his top people, their chief technology officer instead. what are the tools available to get them to pay attention? >> well, i think part of what the company has to realize that there's a blaze burning in europe, a widespread view that u.s. regime is inadequate and the european union and its member states have to fill the gap. germany is doing this.
other countries are taking a look. so i can't suggest the exact approach that you would use to address them, but if you stiff arm them, you run a real possibility that they will accelerate their own efforts and with the new data protection regulation taking effect in europe, they have some increasingly powerful tools to do it. so, if you don't treat them in a way that's respectful and responsive, you truly risk the possibility that they will lead the charge, regardless of what the ftc, regardless of what the congress does. >> and they also have these 37 attorneys general who have sent a letter to zuckerberg and they're concerned about what's going on. i mean, it seems like it's coming at them from all directions. is that going to get his attention? >> i think it would. i mean if you simply cue up all of the public authorities globally who take an interest in this issue and you look at all of the tools they have to impose sanctions, to examine the company in great detail, that's
a very severe threat. i would say the company has never had a moment when they faced more exact government scrutiny with the possible threat of action along the lines that tony mentioned. >> yeah. and this morning you had christopher wylie the whistleblower testifying in front of parliament. i want to play a little bit of what he had to say about how cambridge analytica operates. >> they don't care whether or not what they do is legal as long as it gets the job done. it's not -- there's been a lot of focus on the data side of things and a lot of focus on targeting but broadly this is a company that goes around the world and undermines the institutions of countries that are struggling to develop those institutions. >> that's really the question, isn't it, tony, is in all of this, that larger point essentially, going by the wayside, that there have been elections not just in the united states that have been disrupted because of this. >> yeah.
we actually saw video of executives at cambridge analytica who appeared to suggest that they had worked in a number of countries including kenya, they had engineered some political outcomes there, you also had channel 4 news in the uk putting together a video that appeared to show folks at cambridge analytica suggesting they would put together tapes of bribery, suggesting that, you know, they would set up politicians to help their clients win. you know, all of that is unconfirmed. the company itself says it has never engaged in such a practice like that. but these are the questions that regulators are asking in the united states and in europe. it's important to point up the trump campaign did rely on cambridge analytica for a bit of help or in the early days of the 2016 campaign as did folks like senator ted cruz but they have said that they didn't rely on some of the psycho graphic information and some of those insights that cambridge analytica derived from facebook profiles over the period that we've discussed. >> tony and william, we haven't heard the last of this that's for sure. thank you. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> outrage growing over the fatal police shooting of an
unarmed black man in his family's own backyard. sacramento city council is taking action. we're live next here on "velshi and ruhle." many sleep-aids have pain medicine but zzzquil is different because why would you take a pain medicine when all you want is good sleep? zzzquil: a non-habit forming sleep-aid that's not for pain, just for sleep.
back now to our breaking news from louisiana. the attorneys general -- the attorney general in louisiana declining to file criminal charges against two police officers in the shooting death of alton sterling. what you're watching on other side of your screen is sterling's family speaking to reporters. they are obviously disappointed in the decision. we are keeping our ear to that and will have much more later on on msnbc. in the meantime, we're learning more about the police shooting of an unarmed black man in his own backyard as protests gain steam. now the family of stefan clark has issued an emotional new plea for justice. nbc's joe fryar joins us from sacramento with the latest. >> reporter: stefan clark's family is preparing for his funeral on thursday. clark's grandmother who actually heard the shooting held an emotional news conference on monday. the video of the shooting is disturbing.
. >> all i heard is "boom boom boom." >> reporter: the grandmother describing the trauma she experienced the night two sacramento police officers shot and killed her grandson, stefan clark, just outside her back door. >> i said call 911. they shooting. >> reporter: after firing 21 shots police found clark was unarmed, carrying a cell phone. >> justice! i want justice for my baby! i want justice for stephon clark. please give us justice! >> reporter: officers were responding to reports that a vandal was breaking car windows. >> he just broke the window running south. running to the south. >> reporter: police say they thought clark was holding a weapon when they confronted him in the dark. >> it looked like a gun from our perspective. >> reporter: the actions of those officers who are on paid administrative leave are now under investigation. >> where is the restraint when it comes to our children and their lives? why is it shoot first, and then ask questions later?
>> reporter: clark's family has hired as i recall rights attorney ben crump who also represented the families of t y trayvon more continue and michael brown. >> stephon's grandmother for the rest of her life, as long as she lives in that house, she's going to sleep in a bed less than five feet away from where her grandson was shot 20 times. >> reporter: nba players joining in wearing t-shirts with clark's name and appearing in a public service announcement the that aired during sunday's kings/celtics game. >> we will not shut up and dribble. >> this is bigger than basketball. >> change can be uncomfortable. >> change is necessary. >> reporter: police declined to comment citing the ongoing investigation but said they are dedicated to getting all of the facts. >> we are also more than willing and will look at should things change, should our policies change. >> reporter: sacramento city council holds its weekly meetings on tuesday nights, but
this week they've actually moved up the regular business to an afternoon session. tonight's meeting will be a community discussion solely focused on this case. protests are scheduled to take place tomorrow -- sorry -- today, tomorrow and thursday in front of the district attorney's office. that d.a., along with the mayor, the police chief and the state attorney general are all holding a news conference, chris, within the next hour. >> joe fryar, thank you so much. we appreciate it. we'll be right back.
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we're following intense speculation this morning about a mystery train in china that might have been carrying north korean leader kim jong-un on a secretive visit. this video shows a heavily guarded green train arriving in beijing yesterday, the same kind used by kim jong-un's father, his predecessor, on his trip to china in 2011. another twist. this morning we saw a heavily guarded motorcade leaving china's state guest house heading back to the train station. if kim jong-un was on the train, it would be his first known trip outside north korea since taking power seven years ago. all this comes ahead of kim's planned summit with south korea's leader in april and a possible meeting with president trump. time now for our "monumental american. "someone who may be deserving of
more recognition. today it is civil rights pioneer linda brown. she was a schoolgirl at the center of the 1954 supreme court decision brown v. board of education which struck down segregation in schools. the case began when her father tried to enroll her at the summer school, an all-white school near her home in topeka, kansas. she was denied. after the landmark decision segregation was still a problem in public schools. in 1979 brown sued the school district for not following through with desegregation. a judge finally approved a plan in 1993. she passed away sunday. linda brown was 75. if you have a monumental american, tweet the tea team @velshiruhle. a man who spent 23 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit is now free. he's got his old job back, working for the chicago white sox.
49-year-old nevis coleman was released from prison in november after dna evidence cleared him. the white sox offered him a job interview, and then welcomed him back as a grounds keeper. he returns to the field on monday. . thank you for watching this hour of velt"velshi & ruhle." i'm chris jansing. right now, "andrea mitchell reports." silent treatment. not a word from the president as the u.s. kicks out dozens of russians joining almost two dozen country condemning the kremlin's suspected poisoning of a former russian spy and his daughter in england. >> this sends a clear message to russia that there are costs and consequences for its unacceptable and dangerous pattern of behavior. back to the future. the commerce department is ordering the next census to ask americans a question that died in 1950 whether