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citizens. outraging critics who say that will hurt participation and result in unfair redistricting benefiting republicans for years to come, despite alternative facts from the commerce secretary. >> justice department feels they need it so that they can enforce section 2 of the voting rights act which protects minority voters. and who run the world. the next generation of girls taking a stand against guns. and we remember another generation's protest with the passing of linda brown. seen here on the 40th anniversary of her family's landmark case, brown versus board of education. >> brown in 1954 i feel was a catalyst, was the change, that was the beginning of the entire civil rights movement. i think that everything that came along afterwards had its beginning with brown in '54.
good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington where president trump is letting his national security team speak for him about russia. while remain silent also about stormy daniels. as "the new york times" reports, the president is, quote, pining for his disgraced former aide, rob porter. and the president keeps getting rejection notices from potential additions to his dwindling legal team. joining me now, white house correspondent kristen welker and axios contributor jonathan swan. kristen, aides, among others, are telling you that they are reassuring the president that the stormy daniels "60 minutes" interview is not going to damage his politically. >> reporter: that's right. this is striking because of course president trump lashes out at just about anyone who antagonizes him but we haven't seen one tweet in the direction of stormy daniels. of course, that was that broad
tweet yesterday in which he said "so much fake news." but a senior administration official told me overnight, andrea, that the president has been asking his advisors how he should respond and the advice that he's getting from them is that he should hold his fire, essentially, that it doesn't rise to the level of a presidential response. this is an adult film actress that the president should be above the fray, should stay focused on policy. but they are making another point, andrea, that i think is significant here, that's the political point that you just alluded to. the fact they say, look, you survived the "access hollywood" tape. the election is years away, so it doesn't behoove you to get into this fight. they feel fairly confident that it is not going to damage him too much with women voters but they also allow for the fact that there may be some type of backlash. but again, andrea, underscoring this point that there isn't election for another number of years. they think ultimately the president is going to be able to ride this out, this is something that is going to go away.
you heard the press secretary fiercelynying all of these allegations yesterday. >> i think you were pressing raj as well. >> was the president aware of a physical threat made against his daniels when she was with her daughter back in 2011? >> well, the president doesn't believe that any of the claims that miss daniels made last night in the interview are accurate. >> he doesn't believe she was threatened. >> no, he does not. >> what was his basis for that, raj? >> sorry? >> what's his basis for that? >> he just doesn't believe that -- there's nothing to corroborate her claim. >> so the white house very much on the defensive there and the president not saying anything. as well, the president being faced with rejection notices from lawyers, the most recent being webb from chicago, another lawyer who does not want to join the team. >> that's right.
and look, if you speak to members of the legal team, they say the reason why those attorneys weren't able to join the team was because of conflicts of interest. let me read of a statement. president trump reached out to tom webb and john buchanan to provide legal representation. however they considered the representation of the president to be the highest honor but couldn't do it because there were business conflicts, andrea. the legal team stressing the point that this is because of business conflicts, nothing else. when asked if they are adding more members to the legal team i'm told they are not ruling out that possibility but not to expect any announcement this weekend, andrea. >> jonathan swan, weigh in on this whole issue of the legal conundrum for the president. dan webb is only the latest one of high-profile lawyers -- we talked to ted olson yesterday -- obviously for ethical reasons don't want to discuss their conversations with potential
clients. but fact is, this is really an unprecedented situation where the president of the united states is having difficulty getting a first class legal team. >> right. he's still soliciting -- he's talking to people even as recently as the last couple of days to try and get suggestions of who he should bring in. but there are three reasons why it is not really working out. one is he has a bad reputation as a client. he's reluctant to pay bills. the second is he's impetuous. he tweets. and the third is he doesn't take advice. so he's not exactly the most appealing client in the world for a lot of these lawyers and his contention that they're all seeking fame, a lot of these white shoe firms in washington don't need the publicity and see it as potentially negative publicity for representing the president. >> the other thing that's so extraordinary is that john dowd quit as his attorney because he was so offended by the hiring of joe digenigenova announced befoe
even met him and his partner. but there was no chemistry. so he lost john dowd and still doesn't have the digenovas. >> i spoke to john dowd about this. he vehemently says his leaving had nothing to do with jodi geneva. i don't know if that's true. i tend to kind of believe him on this point. but the broader point is correct. this announcement came out, then we find out that the president wasn't impressed by them when he met them. he also -- there were some people that he listens to very carefully on the legal front who told him you cannot have joe digenova leading your team. there was also the conflict issue of his wife representing mark carallo, very acrimoniously -- that's like war inside the white house with people and mark carallo.
the question did privately stop to question whether john dowd was at the top of his game to people sort of internally. >> do you know who does have lawyers at the top of their games? jared kushner and others in the white house. others have hired the best -- >> hope hicks. >> -- lawyers that you could possibly have. and jared kushner now we understand is also according to the associated press and according to a letter that a democratic member of the oversight committee has revealed -- all discussed on rachel maddow's show last night -- jared kushner is at least being questioned by white house counsel's office on some of the kushner family investments. >> yeah. if you were going to take the most generous interpretation that these were totally he-- he had nothing to do with it, people internally, they cannot understand some of the decisions that jared kushner has made since being in the white house. they just simply cannot understand why he would make decisions like that. >> jonathan swan, kristen
welker, thank you both so very much. meanwhile, russia is threatening to retaliate for the u.s.'s decision to kick out 60 russian diplomats joining 24 other countries now in response to the attempted poisoning of a former russian spy and his daughter in salisbury, england. british foreign secretary boris johnson addressing the house of commons this morning, applauding the swift global reaction to russia. >> our call is not with the russian people. we held out the hand of friendship to the russian people. they are not rimmed with enemies. it is with the kremlin and the manner of russian policy. >> joining me now, john mclaughlin, former acting director of the cia and a former msnbc security analyst. welcome back. i know you are just back from korea. we have this situation the president does not announce himself. it comes less than a week after he has congratulated vladimir
putin in contradiction to the national national security full-stop, capital letters, "do not congratulate" on his sham election victory. does not complain to him about the kremlin's poisoning -- the attempted assassination of these people in england. and now they announce this. i mean it's just a disconnect between the policy, the president and now the president's silence. >> yeah. i think president trump had no choice here. i think that's what's going on. i give the credit for this action to theresa may, the prime minister of england, organizing an international coalition and also i'm quite confident that what was going on here is that there were connections between the professionals in the military, the intelligence world, diplomatic world, and ours between britain and the united states. and that this was organized within our government. and for trump to say no would have left the united states isolated in an unparalleled
international coalition. >> theresa may and the brits going to the eu and organizing this on thursday. the way the united states of america, whether it was condi rice, others on iran sanctions, the way the united states of america used to organize international coalitions -- jim baker. >> that's exactly what struck me, andrea. this is the sort of thing where the united states would have taken lead in the past and here i think we're trailing a bit. let's give the white house credit for having joined in. but it is not the typical american posture that we're used to. >> there has been criticism today from richard haas, council on foreign relations, saying this isn't the way to respond, that the retaliation -- the punishment should be economic sanctions, banking sanctions, sanctions against oligarchs the way we did, frankly, under obama on the ukraine invasion by the kremlin. that this plays into putin's hand because he can now
retaliate tit for tat, expel our diplomats, say that they're spies, some of them most likely are, and we're in a retaliation cycle. >> yeah. it is a very cold war thing to do. we're actually beyond the cold war and the kind of tactics that putin is using now are under the heading of hybrid war, mixture of conventional forces, special forces, psychological warfare, information warfare, cyber. and our strategy needs to be conformed to that model actually. >> so that would have been better. >> that would have been better to have economic sanctions and so forth. also in this i think the american public needs to hear from the president in a clear way, what is our relationship with russia. what do we object to. what do we want from them. how are we postured toward them. because i think that's what has happened in the past. look back to president reagan's remarks after doing a similar expulsion of diplomats back in the 1980s.
that's the role of an american president here, to define for the american public what's going on and why. no one else can do it. >> you can expel diplomats and still have some talks about nuclear arms control because you can do two things at the same time. let me ask you about the unplanned spontaneous summitry on north korea. you are just back from south korea. we now have this mystery train which appears in beijing. most people believe that we were going to see an announcement that this is in fact kim jong-un's first foreign visit. the train being his visit to beijing the way -- traveling the way his father and grandfather did before him. the importance of that. is that the chinese nervousness over what's going on between the u.s. and north korea being isolated? >> that's my belief. i've seen the chinese attitude on this. that is north korean behavior and nuclear weapons evolve from
denial in the early part of the last decade through recognition to concern today. i don't think they have control over kim jong-un and having just been in south korea, and having talked to the south koreans, and having seen the gleam in their eye about the idea of meeting face to face with the north korean leader, not that they're naive about it, but they want to talk. i think any time the north and south are getting together, it makes beijing nervous if they're not in the room and they don't have control over it. because in the end, this is the koreans' peninsula. they have objectives here that, to some degree, coincide with beijing's, but not entirely. >> but beijing wants talk rather than nuclear threats. >> beijing definitely wants talk more than nuclear threats or tests -- kim's done six of them, you know. but they'd like to have some influence on those talks. i think if this is a kim visit
or senior north korean official, beijing is trying to get their oar into that water. >> well, welcome back. welcome home. it is great to see you. i know your students had a great trip. i've been hearing from some of them as well. >> good. >> your graduate students whom you brought there. >> thank you very much, andrea. coming up, civil wrong? outrage over the trump administration's decision to reinstate a citizenship question in the 2020 census. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable after just 4 months, ... with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. otezla may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. tell your doctor if these occur.
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a major battle is brewing over the trump administration's decision to add a question about citizenship to the 2020 census. something that has not happened since the 1950s. civil rights groups slamming the move saying it could significantly reduce responses from immigrants fearful of deportation. it could sabotage the entire census count which is critical for medical decisions and housing and the like. california is already filing suit against the trump administration saying that the census question violates the constitution and takes came at voting districts which could trigger a major shift in political power across the country. joining me now, michael steele, former chair of the republican party. and an msnbc political analyst. and ron klain, former senior white house aide under presidents clinton and obama. welcome, both. >> thank you. >> michael steele, as a former rnc chair, tinkering with the census with a very big deal. >> it is a big deal and it goes
to the heart of how lines are drawn obviously. but even more than that, it is what you just referenced about the programs that could be impacted by those numbers. it is very important to the states to try to have as accurate a count of the people they need to serve in their communities on a day in and day out basis. what this move potentially does is puts a lot of folks back in the shadows and instills in them the kind of fear that they have around deportation and actually being cut off from certain benefits because they're not u.s. citizens or they're outside of the immigration process. so there is very much the real aspect of this. then there is of course the politics. the politics is, hey, if those folks aren't counted because that's on them, they didn't raise their hand to be counted, that's not our problem, we're just going to go with the number of those that do raise their hand and say i'm here in this particular jurisdiction. that again is part of the politics. but the constitutional question for me is one that's up in the
air because unless this was stopped for constitutional reasons, raising a constitutional bar at this point is really kind of a waste of time. courts are not going to see it that way, i don't think. >> i take your point on the law. when we talk about the medical issues that also flow from this, the cdc depends on these census counts for calling to see whether people are imnimunizeim. there is a public health component to this as well. let's talk abouter eother agenc doing things that have gone unnoticed because of the focus on the mueller probe and stormy daniels and the chaos in the white house. the epa, scott pruitt is a really smart player in terms of working the bureaucracy. he's sidelined a lot of the scientific experts in his agency. the white house does not have a science and technology advisor yet. i don't think there is anyone in there yet. there may be someone in the pipeline. and now they're changing the epa
rules to discount confidential surveys and studies, medical studies, which means eliminating a lot of the data on which climate change decisions, water pollution and other health issues are decided. >> yeah. while we're busy talking about stormy daniels, there are actual storms out there that we need the government to keep an eye on. and what we're seeing across this administration really is a war on science. just came out last week that the department of health & human services had employees trading e-mails about how to suppress scientific data about between pregnancy prevention. we had the chief scientists at many agencies replaced by non-scientists, by political figures. now this decision by scott pruitt to suppress the best science, including science about life and death matters that includes confidential medical information to suppress all that for the kind of science that deregulation forces want to have. so from epa, interior, hhs, all across the board we're seeing a
departure from a practice that was true of both democrats and republicans. use the best science, make the best decisions now that we're not seeing them anymore in the government. >> in the midst of this the gun debate. this is something, michael, that a former republican senator from pennsylvania and an analyst on another network on cnn said on cnn on sunday, in response to the kids and the march. >> it's all about politics. is this really all about politics or is it all about keeping our schools safe. because it is about keeping our schools safe, then we have to have much broader discussion than the discussion that's going on right now. how about kids instead of looking to someone else to solve their problem, do something about maybe taking cpr classes. >> now first of all, these kids are hardly looking to someone else to solve their problems. second of all -- >> no, they're not. >> -- doctors have been weighing in saying when you are bleeding out from an ar-15's bullet, cpr is not going to help.
>> cpr is not the priority there. it is a tourniquet is the real challenge there. but again, i think comments like that speaks to the tone deafness that a lot of folks seem to have around what these kids are actually saying and what they're doing and the impact it is going to have. it is an you have been comment. i don't know where rick was going with that. but the fact of the matter is, these students have moved us further along on this question of gun policy in this country than any adult has in 25 or 30 years. >> and finally, you are the lawyer, ron klain, former justice john paul stevens is now calling for a repeal of the second amendment. >> i respect justice stevens. i don't believe that's helpful. the supreme court has made it very clear we can have common sense gun control without repealing the second amendment. this just feeds into the nra paranoia that we're going to take away your gun rights.
we can have law abiding citizens in this country and have our schools and streets be safer. in 1994 we had a ban on assault weapons in this country. shootings went down. no one lost the right to own a gun. schools were safer. we should go back to laws like that that made sense. >> i think calling for the repeal of the second amendment again feeds the wrong narrative. i think what we need to do is just pay attention to the conversation these students are raising right now. that's the sweet spot on policy. that's the sweet spot on the politics right now. i think you'll see a lot of that play out over the next few months going into november and beyond. you don't need to tinker with the constitution. just get the elected adults in the room to actually do good policy. >> that would be a change. >> that would be a change, wouldn't it. >> do something. thank you very much, michael steele, ron klain. counselors, thank you. coming up, city on edge. tensions running high in sacramento, california, after an unarmed african-american man was shot by police in his
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government facilities, including the cia and military bases in the area. nbc news justice correspondent pete williams joins me now from the bureau. pete, who is this and what do we know? >> well, this has been a remarkably fast-moving investigation, andrea, because the first of these packages arrived yesterday morning here in washington, d.c. at a location, ft. mcnair, the first one you see in the upper left where the national war college is. and by last night, they had a suspect in custody. the fbi identifies him as a 43-year-old man from everett, washington, which is right near seattle, named tranh cong phan. he'll be in court later this afternoon to face charges. we're told he is someone who was familiar to law enforcement, perhaps from making threatening statements earlier so he was not unknown to law enforcement. but in all they say a dozen
suspicious packages were received at these mostly military or intelligence sites. also the sites that the secret service uses to screen mail for the white house and the secret service and the cia's mail sorting facility. the question is were any of these suspicious packages -- did any of them actually constitute a working explosive device. because some of them did contain explosive materials. and the best answer that i can give you, andrea, is the answer to that seems to be no. the fbi in a statement calls them potential destructive devices. but officials i have talked to today say they were all incomplete. some of them had black powder in them. some of them had other kinds of bomb components. but, fortunately, they were not hooked up or rigged until the right way that they would have exploded. whether that was intentional on the part of the sender, he simply wanted to scare people, or whether the person who sent these really did want to send a
working device, we don't know. perhaps we'll learn more when he shows up in court this afternoon. now another of these packages turned up this morning, again, at secret service mail sorting facility on one of the military bases and the fbi in a statement says that they can't be sure whether all of these have come through the system or still are coming, so they're saying they urge people to remain vigilant. several good news stories here, andrea. one is the speed with which an arrest was made. secondly, this is just a reminder of the fact that ever since the anthrax mail attacks of 2001, all the mail that goes to government addresses is sorted. all the mail that goes to the capitol, to the cia, to the white house, to military bases goes through off-site sorting facilities where it is x-rayed,
where it is treated for biological hazards. >> terrific work on all sides. thank you. and by you, as well, pete williams, on top of it. thanks so much. this afternoon, protesters gathering outside the sacramento district attorney's office to voice outrage over the police shooting of an unarmed man. nbc's joe fryar has more on just how family, friends and nba stars are demanding justice for stephon clark. >> all i heard is "boom boom boom." >> reporter: this woman describing the trauma she experienced the night two sacramento police officers shot and killed her grandson, stephon clark, just outside her back door. >> show your hands! gun gun gun! >> i said call 911, they shooting. >> reporter: after firing 20 shots, police found clark was unarmed, carrying only a cell phone. >> justice! i want justice for my baby! i want justice for stephon clark! please give us justice!
>> reporter: officers were responding to reports that a vandal was breaking car windows. >> he just broke the window running south. running to the south. >> reporter: police say they thought clark was holding a weapon when they confronted him in the dark. >> it looked like a gun from our perspective. >> reporter: the actions of those officers who are on paid administrative leave are now under investigation. >> where is the restraint when it comes to our children and their lives? why is it shoot first and then ask questions later? >> reporter: clark's family has hired civil rights attorney ben crump who also represented the families of trayvon martin and michael brown. >> just think of his grandmother for the rest of her life, as long as she lives in that house, she's going to sleep in a bed less than five feet away from where her grandson was shot 20 times. >> reporter: nba players joining in wearing t-shirts with clark's name and appearing in a public service announcement that aired during sunday's kings/celtics game. >> she will not shut up and
dribble. >> this is bigger than basketball. >> change can be uncomfortable. >> change is necessary. >> reporter: citing the ongoing investigation, police declined to comment on the details of the case but released the videos saying they're dedicated to getting all the facts. >> we also are more than willing, and will, look at should things change, should our training change, should our policies change. meanwhile, officials in louisiana are announcing today that two baton rouge police officers will not face charges in the shooting death of anton sterling. he is the 37-year-old father who was killed after an altercation with police outside a convenience store back in july of 2016. his death sparked intense protests in baton rouge. louisiana's attorney general saying there is just not enough evidence, they say, of criminal wrongdoing to bring charges. last year the justice department also declined to bring civil rights charges after concluding there was not enough evidence against the officers who have been on administrative leave since the fatal shooting. and coming up, bashing
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has been advocating a war with north korea for a long time and even promoting an attack on iran. >> former president jimmy carter criticizing president trump's decision to name john bolton as national security advisor. in an interview with usa "today." carter's harsh words are a departure from his stance toward president trump. he's volunteered twice to go to north korea if the president wants to send an envoy. susan page, the washington bureau chief of usa "today" and who interviewed the former president in new york as he publishes his 32nd book entitled "faith." they've all been best sellers, as i can sell. susan, how does he look? this is a man who's beaten brain cancer. is still traveling. is still publishing. >> and he's 93 years orlando. he looked great. in 2015 he was buying nosed with brain cancer. he said he assumed he had two weeks to live. he said good-bye to family,
friends and satisfiers. but the treatment, the radiation treatment and additional treatment to boost his immune to everyo everyone's surprise worked. he looks a decade younger than he is. i saw cell phone video of him on a flight to new york on sunday to do publicity for his book and he walked the entire length of the plane and shook hands with every person on that flight which he says is something he tries to do when he flies. >> i've been out on book tours with him. he is amazing and the response to him is amazing. he is controversial in a lot of quarters but here he is going after john bolton. part of what he told you was how important that national security job is and in his case it was zbi big brzezinski who ran circles around the secretary of state because of proximity and also because of the brain power. as smart as brzezinski was, john bolton is also suma from yale. he is a very smart ideological
guy. >> jimmy carter says that's one reason he think john bolton is ill-suited for this role. i don't think jimmy carter would be supportive of john bolton in any role. but john bolton has been a big advocate of points of view on foreign policy that are at odds with what president trump campaigned on during the last presidential campaign. he's a muscular -- he's for muscular foreign policy. he is for the use of the military. he supported the iraq war. he is in favor of military action. he argues military action could work in north korea and in iran. >> you were interviewing jimmy carter just in the aftermath -- the day after the "60 minutes" interview. here he is a born-again christian and still true to his church, teaches sunday school every morning in plains. this is part of your interview where you asked him about the political impact of stormy daniels. >> i think in the long term it will have a deleterious effect
on his political standing, particularly on formerly neutral people or once people go to vote in the 2018 elections we'll see the adverse impact of the revelation of his immorality and his violation of the views always only separate god between your views for your wife. >> it remains to be seen what the political impact is but i think back to this contrast where the scandal in 1976 when i was a young reporter was that jimmy carter in the campaign had told "playboy "magazine that he had had lust in his heart for women other than his wife. and i cannot tell you, susan, the explosion that that took
place. >> what an innocent time that seems like. he said he thought there could be some effect, but not with president trump's base. he said president trump's base supporters have heard this before from other women. he doesn't think stormy daniels is going to make a difference with them. >> susan page, congratulations on this interview. it is great to see you. and of course, the former president. coming up, girl power. a new generation of female leaders emerging out of protest movements around the country. how can they carve their paths to power? all that next coming up on "andrea mitchell reports." begins to change which may cause trouble with recall. - learning from him is great... when i can keep up! - anncr: thankfully, prevagen helps your brain and improves memory. - dad's got all the answers. - anncr: prevagen is now the number-one-selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide. - she outsmarts me every single time. - checkmate! you wanna play again? - anncr: prevagen. healthier brain. better life.
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activism by tragedy and taking charge of their own lives. how different are they from the baby boomers who were raised in a world designed by and for men. joining me now, jennifer palmieri, former communication director for hillary clinton's 2016 campaign, former white house communications director under president obama. author of "dear madam president." congratulations. i cannot tell you how excited i am about this book. i thought it was going to be a campaign book. we heard other campaign books and obviously i was interested in reading yours but there is not a campaign book. this is a book about all of us, about women and men, and how we relate to our lives and our professional lives. i'm so moved by it, i have to say. >> oh, my gosh. i'm so grateful. thank you. >> what inspired you? >> i am so glad to hear you say that. i had a lot of people in mind from different professions and you certainly have been a trail
blazer for women in your own. so you were in my head, too, as i was writing this. so i'm glad you recognized your own experience in it. i wanted to -- i to -- i feltth this moment, you know, after we lost, after the clinton campaign lost and trump won and that was pretty devastating for a lot of women. but i think so many of us chose to feel empowered in that moment. and that's a surprising thing. what's that about. and i think we realized you could decide either -- either this was meant to be the outcome, maybe women are only meant to go so far. maybe men like that are meant to win in america. or we've been doing this wrong. i think that we see that, you know, for women of the baby boomer generation, i think hillary had to do this, you had to prove that you could do the job just as well as any man
could do it. that's what we set out to prove for her. and i think we did do that. but we proved that she had the qualities you look for in a man. i think that robbed her of something really important. that robbed her of some of her own self. and i don't know that there was any other way for her. but now we don't have to do this. now we can say sure, i can do the job just as well as a man. but i don't want to. i want to do it in my own way. i wanted to write this letter as a letter to, you know, the first woman president and have every girl and young woman who's reading it think that can be me because i want people to feel that that empowered and, you know, you showed yolanda king and emma gonzalez, you know, they were so inspiring this weekend. there's nothing more confident than a little girl. you saw you honda, she was fearless. emma was fearless. emma was crying up there. she doesn't care.
she's going to show her tears. they have so much confidence and joy and belief in themselves. and somewhere along the way girls lose that. we become inhibited. and that's what the book is about. don't learn that. don't learn those inhibitions. and, you know, that's where i can see an exciting time for women. we can lead in a way true to ourselves. you don't have to model yourself after a man. >> we always felt we had to overcompensate. >> yes, yes. >> and i never thought of it in politics. i know about it in my own life, in my own -- with my own colleagues. but overcompensating is not what we really ought to be doing. >> yes. >> this is a new paradigm you're describing. >> and i think, you know, you did -- women did have to do that at first. you had to prove that that was the only path. the only path was to prove you could do it just as a man has done it. that got us pretty far. but as you saw with hillary's race, you know, that only gets
you so far. and now what, you know, what we can imagine is a way that women can -- women can lead. so what does that look like. what does that mean. this is why i have chapters in there that are called "nod less and cry more." during the clinton campaign, we absorbed a lot of bad blows. they would just nod and say okay, i get it. i'm not going to blanch. i'm not going to show any emotion. i'm not going to say that's crazy, we can't manage that or that's crazy, that means we're going to lose or no, we have to do it this way. i'm just going to absorb it and be a good soldier and march on. women feel like they can't show emotion. you can't cry in the office. i'm kind of a big crier. somebody easily moved to tears because something frustrates me or something moves me even more importantly. and, you know, i think we should be able to show that in our work as well. but we spent qlhundreds and hundreds of years making the
workplace a comfortable place for men to succeed in. and it's not anybody's fault. it's just the world we inherited. but now i think we have proven we can do the job just as well as men and we can say hey, the work space might work for me the way it is now. if i need to let it out and cry because i'm angry or frustrated or moved, i'm going to do that. don't expect to find your own space or your own story reflected in what exists. because i think women are writing their own story now. where you see that everywhere from the young girls at the march this weekend to the hundreds, thousands of women across the country that are running for office to me too. so as devastated as i was and i want people to understand that i did feel devastation, because i know a lot of women did too, there's something very empowering, and i've had a unique perspective because -- not just because of clinton but because i worked for president obama and president clinton.
so i've had to as a woman in a male dominated world figure out ways that you can succeed and have the confidence that you need like advising the president of the united states. that's an intimidating thing. i got very good advice from president obama himself on how to do that. how to own the fact that you're in the room. you're in the oval office. speak up. your voice is needed. you have a unique perspective. if you're a woman in a male dominated profession, your perspective matters more, not less. i hope young girls, young women, can read so when they enter the workforce, they are feeling a little more equipped to do this in their own way. that's exciting to imagine what it's going to be. >> well, there's a lot, a lot more in this book i want to talk to you about, elizabeth edwards, whom you pay tribute to. to be continued. i hope you'll come back. >> yes, i would love to. >> this is very meaningful to a lot of people. >> thanks. >> the book is "dear madam
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