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scenes as to what happened after donald trump was elected? >> yeah. it's -- i mean, peter baker -- >> ben rhodes' book. >> and peter has an incredible lens and perspective. >> most interesting article of the day. go out and read it. >> for sure all of you should. >> and the facebook. >> we have rewritten the too much this show several times to accommodator to all of the breaking news this. hour, president trump will be leaving texas. once again the president is surrounded by controversial headlines. today the president caused a stir before he left washington, starting with a tweet on former fbi director james comey. then flexing his clemensy powers by issuing another pardon and suggesting more are coming, then triggering a trade war, after slapping tariffs against american allies. now, just within the past two hours, the white house is calling for the cancellation of tv host samantha bee who said this about the president's
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daughter on her show, full frontal. quote, you know, ivanka, that's a beautiful photo of you and your child. but let me just say, one mother to another, do something about your dad's immigration practices. you if he c you feckless, and then she added the c word, and then she add, he listens to you. hallee jackson joins us. i want to let you decide which topic to start with. i have new statements from tbs and from samantha bee. >> tbs says bee has taken the right action in apologizing. those words should not have aired. it was our mistako too, and we regret it. the white house seizing on this, i don't want to make the comparison with roseanne barr but they seem to be doing it. >> this caught fire several hours ago and the white house
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came out and responded via press secretary sarah huckabee sanders n. it they call the word, the comments from samantha bee vile and vicious. the white house saying that the connective silence by the left and its media ally is appalling. you can see that statement there. i think that might be where the complicit comparison to roseanne is coming in. the press secretary adds her disgusting comments and show are not fit for broadcast. the statement goes on from there. you allude to the idea that tbs has now seemed to say that the apology is going to be what you will get from sam bee. there was nothing about a suspension or anything like that. it seems like the network believes this has been put to bed with its states and with bee's statement as welcoming out and apologizing for this. we talked a little bit earlier in the arch about some of the back up you could say, the kathy griffin for example, is giving to sam bee saying don't be too hard on bee for apologizing for example, calling herself
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somebody who has been through the trump wood chipper before. griffin has come under serious criticism from this administration and others. there have been ten stories dominating the headlines today for one point or another. >> for sure,r. one thing that stuck out to me with this sam bee flap, the white house responded much more strongly to this than they really ever did to roseanne's completely racist tweet. they did call it inappropriate of course but then they sort of changed the subject. >> right. and remember how the president himself responded. we haven't heard from president trump on this, on the sam bee comment. but we did hear from the president on the roseanne tweet. not about the fact that it was racist, not about what it said and the content of the tweet itself, the comment itself, but instead going after bob iger of
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disney, reasons why he hadn't been given an apology. and sarah huckabee sanders cam put and and read a list of grievances the president had of people who have not apologized to him for comments made about him. the president is on the ground in texas. he will be there the rest of the day before flying back to the white house tonight. >> we now halle have a statement from the first lady on this topic. she says, quote, the double standard is truly astounding. time and again, the trump family and members of this administration are sub to false reporting hateful rhetoric, and outrageous lies all in the name of freedom of speech or comedy. yet the mainstream media stays silent. i would note we are covering this here. joining us on the phone is jess mcintosh, the executive editor of share blue and a former clinton campaign adviser. jess, i thought it was important to have your perspective here because this of course, as we know first of all, comedians
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have used this word in the past and been criticized or not for it. also, hillary clinton, who you worked for often faced down this kind of rhetoric herself as a candidate. >> for sure. i think the first point to make when talking about the statement from the white house and the first lady is that we are not having an intellectually honest discussion here. roseanne barr used exactly the same language minus the word feckless to describe hillary clinton and of course there was no outrage from ride wing media had he she did that. there is a major important difference between oppression and name calling. and the reason why racist language matters is because black people are in financial straits and physical danger because of racism. that is why that has an actual bearing on american society and really needs to be dealt with immediately. calling somebody a bad word doesn't contribute to systemic oppression. it calls them a bad word. what does contribute to systemic
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oppression of women is having a president who is an admitted sexual assaulter, who has used words, this one and others, to describe women throughout his career and faced zero repercussions for it. so i understand that this is a shiny object that they are really excited to grab onto because there is not much else going right for them these days. but if we are actually going to have a conversation about diagnose right by women, there is absolutely no leg to stand on coming from this particular white house. >> this is a strategy that president trump has used in the past when he is confronted with his own remarks that are negative about women. he will often say i am a champion of women. i love women. i am absolutely the biggest advocate -- >> i cherish them. >> i cherish them. exactly. >> i think that's the only place he can go. because it's clear from not just his rhetoric but his actual policy that he is doesn't
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cherish respect or particularly like women. this is where the substance becomes meaningful again. when republicans use anti-women rhetoric, what that is doing is paving the way for their answ anti-woman policies. they are making laws that make it harder for us to earn a decent living, have control over our own bodies, walk down the street safely at night. that's the policies that republicans are pursuing. so when they use this language, it is feeding into systemic oppression that actually costs us in terms of physical safety and our bottom line. that's what is happening when you hear racist language coming out of the trump supporters. we know that hate crimes are up since he has been president. we know he is pursuing policies that directly effect black people, and black americans. and that is something that we need to address whene we hear it because it has real life ramifications. when you have a comedian who use as nasty word to discuss a member of this administration in a policy setting, because it was
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honestly pretty gross that she put up that photo of her and her kid just as we are becoming aware that trump's new policy involves rip aring infants away from their parents at the border -- she was using, you know, she was using a bad word she shouldn't have used to describe a really horrific thing that's happening. i know it's tough to say focus on the substance in today's news cycle but i think in each one of these instances that's exactly what we have to do. >> we should of course, and you made this point, underscore that samantha bee called this vile and inappropriate language as well as tbs, for sure. >> it is a bad word. >> halle jackson, please stay with us to cover one of the many other topics we have to get to today. president trump is changing his story on the reasoning behind firing former fbi director james comey. or he is trying to at least. after his first two tweets of the day criticizing abc news ceo bob iger and the mainstream
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media, the president tweeted quote not that it matters but i never fired james comey because of russia. the mainstream media loves to keep pushing that narrative but they know that is not true. but that conflicts directly with the president's own comments to nbc's lester hollywood holt last year and what his attorney said just last night. >> regardless of recommendation, i was going to fire comey, knowing there was no good time to do it. in fact, when i decided to just do it i said to myself i said, you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a made-up story. >> he fired comey because comey would not among other things say that he wasn't a target of the investigation. >> it comes after a "new york times" report says former acting fbi director andrew mccabe described a conversation with deputy attorney general rod rosenstein in a confidential memo last may after comey's abrupt firing. in the document, the times
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reports, quote, mr. rosenstein added a new detail. he said the president had originally asked him to reference russia in his memo. the people familiar with the conversation said. mr. rosenstein did not elaborate on what mr. trump had wanted him to say. to talk about this, i want to bring in my panel. madda pewso, msnbc contributor and two time pul ier prize winner. he is also one of the three reporters on the niles piece. also with us, daniel goldman, former u.s. district attorney for the southern district of new york. this story is intricate and takes place over a long arc of time. the central i don't want the call it an allegation but the central tlugs of what you are talking about here is that andrew mccabe thought perhaps rosenstein was handling things inappropriately and wanted to write these memos to document what he believed was going on.
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what happened from that point? and is it still -- i was taking to michael schmidt on the air earlier this morning. he said that rosenstein has evolved from there on this into someone who is protecting bob mueller. >> that's right. rosenstein has told colleagues that he sees himself as somebody who one of his most important jobs is to protect the mueller investigation. if you go back to last may, to the crazy days after the firing of jim comey when the white house was publicly saying well we firtd him because of the way he -- fired him because of the way he handled the clinton investigation. he was unfair to hillary clinton and didn't follow the rules in what he talked about in the clinton investigation. just then, the leather holt ver r interview comes out and maybe it was russia. if you are andrew mccabe in a meeting of the justice department and the deputy attorney general, the guy who wrote the memo that justified the firing of the fbi director
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and he ace you know what, the president actually wanted me to mention russia in the memo. but i said that wasn't necessary and so i didn't do that. if you are mccabe. if you are the fbi, it sounds like, boy, i think there is more to the comey firing than the white house is letting on. and that is still a question. today. that is playing out right now with bob mueller testimony comey firing is front and center on the question of was the president trying to obstruct justice. >> daniel goldman this raises questions. mccabe has since been fired from the justice department. does this reporting cast new doubts or raise new questions about mccabe losing his job? >> i don't know that it's directly related to mccabe losing his job. the thing that strikes me about it is that it demonstrates that rod rosenstein is more centrally involved in this obstruction of justice investigation than we previously knew. and he is also overseeing this investigation. >> right.
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>> so those two things don't really work. and he has apparently consulted with the department of justice to -- and the ethics people there to determine whether or not he should recuse himself. and they seem to all agree that he doesn't need to. the only way that makes any sense to me is if bob mueller is not ready to charge anyone for obstruction of justice. because ultimately, rosenstein would have to authorize the charging decision to indict someone, anyone, in relation to that investigation. he cannot do that if he is actually a witnesses in that investigation. as long as he is not recused, it seems that no charge also come. that can change at any moment, of course, but that's what strikes me about that story. >> what's your take on that analysis of this? do you think rosenstein has a potential conflict? >> look, i think that a lot of people inside the government who
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want the mueller investigation to continue a pace do not want rod rosenstein to recuse himself. and even among people who are kerned that rosenstein is maybe acquiescing too much to the president's demands feel that he is still an important bull work against the interference in the mueller investigation. if mueller feels that way then they are not going to push for a recusal. just like we have been talking about, this is a guy who is supervising an investigation into the president, and the president is saying, hey, rod rosenstein was involved in this. i can't possibly have committed a crime. why would i have gotten the attorney general involved. >> thank you both for your insight today. still ahead, is the singapore summit back on? a letter president trump is set to receive tomorrow from kim jong-un. first, as president trump
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demand an apology from abc's bob iger, meghan mccain on abc's the view wonder where the white house's apology was for aide kelly sadler's remarks about her father. >> i don't like talking about my dad all the time. he keeps being braet up all the time but at a rally last weekend, there was boos elicited by president trump about my family. and kelly sadler. if he would want to go tit for tat for apologizing, yes, this is not an administration that's capable of apologizing on their end.
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secretary of state mike pompeo says he is confident that talks with north korea are moving in the right direction. after his talks with the former north korean military intelligence chief ended more than two hours earlier than expected this morning. >> this is a difficult, difficult challenge. make no mistake about it. there remains a great deal of work to do. and we made progress here as well as at the same time made progress in the other venues the conversations were taking place. we had all the time we needed today to make the progress that was achievable during our time here in new york city. >> we are told they talked about a potential summit between president trump and kim jong-un. so does that mean next month's planned meeting will go ahead as scheduled. pompeo says there is no decision on that yet. meantime the president told reuter's it could take more than
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one meeting to reach a denuclearization agreement. he also said the north korean former intel chief will likely visit the white house tomorrow to deliver a personal letter from the north korean leader. north korea is also expected to be a major topic of discussion as defense secretary james mattis meets with asian defense ministers in singapore. joining us now to talk about this is nbc pentagon correspondent hans nichols who is traveling with secretary mattis in singapore. and we also have an expert on u.s./china relations and national security issues. >> hans, let's start with the trip you are covering, which is james mattis's trip to singapore. how does it fit in with what's going on here stateside and this letter delivery tomorrow? >> the key really is the letter delivery. when you think of what is going to happen here, the situation report that mat sis expected to give to his counter-parts here in asia, it all depend on that
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letter. that was the takeaway from the pompeo meeting is that the north koreans have not yet made a decision -- they are still contemplating but they are not quite there yet on whether or not they want to make a fundamental strategic change. what mattis will do is when he meets with his counter-parts tomorrow and throughout the weekend he will likely provide a status report of just where negotiations are. as we heard from pompeo, those talks are proceeding. in general, what mattis likes to do is employ the diplomats the opportunity to negotiate and to preserve the negotiating space for the president of the united states in which every direction president trump tries to go. mattis jealously guards that he is not going to try to box this the president in any way in terms of military options although that is the backdrop here. the u.s. has a lot of assets in the western pacific. the maximum pressure campaign continues. if these talks do fail mattis could provide an update what have could come next. >> hans, very quickly, what's the relationship like between mattis and pompeo? the reports have been that he
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has a much stronger relationship with pompeo and that together they work well with president trump. is that the case? is this a better situation than when we had tillerson obviously in the secretary of state's job? >> you know, it's merging. what you are seeing is a triumvirate relationship between bolton, pompeo and maltis. before the relationship was really mattis and tillerson. they would have breakfast once or twice a week, constantly on the phone. mchaaser at the nsc was cut off the loop a little bit. we are trying to figure out the contours of the relationship in the new power dynamic but mattis makes an effort to reach out so they can coordinate and make sure everyone is on the same page whetherer advising the president or informing allies of the president's decision. >> we have heard more from secretary pompeo as well. i want to show you what he had to say and talk about the actual chances for denuclearization. take a look.
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>> there is a long history where north korea has viewed its nuclear program as providing the security that it needed for the regime. the effort now is to come to a set of understandings have convince the north koreans of president trump has said. if we are able to achieve it, if north koreans are prepared in fact to denuclearize then in fact their security is greater. >> he wouldn't commit to putting denuclearization on the table. >> hear the. it's worth stepping back here and recognizing that the reason we have seen so much chaos, so many thee at ricks over this north korean nuclear summit in the last few weeks is precisely because of this issue. in any normal circumstance with respect to a presidential summit we would have seen the parties negotiate the deal, scope the outcome, and make sure the process leading up to it was
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meticulouscally planned, weeks if not months in advance to ensure that the presidential level summit itself would have no problem pulling to have deal in question. but what we are seeing here now in this flurry to try to define terms, indeed to negotiate over whether or not denuclearization is in fact on the table is a sign of the fact that the parties haven't prepared this fact beforehand. >> right. >> we still potentially have two different definitions of denuclearization that the parties may be working with. >> what are those definitions? >> it is a critical question. what secretary pompeo has referred to several times before and joernl john bolton has referred to is the complete verifiable and irreversible disarmament of north korea. that is to say the unilateral denuclearization of north korea whereby it packs up the entire cloou nuclear weapons program and ships it out. >> see you later. >> exactly. not likely if you ask most experts. but north korea has nominally been willing to gesture at a different definition of
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denuclearization. that is one where it dedngs denuclearizes, gives up its programs in exchange for a rook of the u.s. military threat. by that it means the end of the alliance with south korea and the removal of troops from the korean peninsula. when in the last weeks the trump administration was confronted with the fact that north korea hadn't agreed to fully denuclearize it's because they were working with a different definition. >> a long way to go. thank you both very much. up next, i being your pardon? president trump pardoned a conservative author and filmmaker. but it's who trump says he is thinking of pardoning that's really turning some heads. dear great-great-grandfather, you turned a family recipe into a brewing empire before prohibition took it all away.
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illinois governor rod blagojevich both of whom were connected to trump's reality show, the apprentice. back with me halle jackson, josh barrow. halle, i want to go to you first since you have been patiently waiting throughout this hour. >> anything for you. >> thank you for that i appreciate it. what's the thinking here? there are so many connections behind these pardons, whether it's the prosecutors that have gone after these people. >> jamts comey, bethat rara. depend how you want to split it up. let's talk d'souza first, and then blagojevich and stewart. it's all connected. you talk connection one connection has apparently been somebody you cover on capitol hill, texas senator ted cruz who is with d'souza today. cruz is one of the people who got this on the radar of donald trump. they did not have a relationship, d'souza and the president. the president himself told reporters first time i talked to
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him bass last night for three minutes when he practically had a heart attack when i told him i was pardoning him. this is not somebody that the president has known for a while. when we hear the president talk about pardons i think we have a graphic of all the people he has pardon. five people in total. one of the consistent threads has been the fairness factor for donald trump. he thinks that the sentences these people are serving have been unfair. we are told by members of the white house that jack johnson for example, was of particular importance to president trump. set that aside and let's talk about the ones that he is going to potentially commute or par n pardon. rod plastic bag blag, former illinois governor. and martha stewart. life-style mogul you could call her. the president in these instances again seems to be weighing the fairness factor. blagojevich is somebody he fired eight years ago on the apprentice in 2010. now he is going to shorten his sentence. stewart had charges brought against her by james comey, who
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the president doesn't like very much. it's important this is all part of the consideration. remember who was here yesterday, the big story we were covering 12 hours ago. kardashian. right around this time she showed up to the white house i think 24 hours ago talking about wanting to pardon this 63-year-old great grandmother, a low level drug offender. the president now telling reuter's he would consider doing that as well. the president says publicly it's about fairness but there are also political considerations that could be inferred from the acts he is either taking or talking about taking. >> josh, i want to ask you about that directly. because there is of course overhanging all of this the mueller investigation. >> yes. >> and michael cohen. >> uh-huh. >> and is he potentially, the president sending a message to michael cohen with these pardons? >> maybe. i think the pardons speak to three narratives the white house has been trying to put out there.
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the first is that the fbi is politically biased against republicans. which is a remarkable thing to say about an agency that have leaned to the right. both with dinesh d'souza and joe arpaio. the story is they were railroaded for having incorrect political views. the second is prosecutors unfairly prosecute for crimes where they can't prove an underlying crime, martha stewart and libby and those caught up in the mueller investigation. and the third is that federal investigators are involving themselves in political matters. that's the claim about rob blagojevich trying to use a senate seat that you can give out to advantage is something that all politicians do. the president was saying things to this effect on air force one today. it mirrors his claims saying the fbi director is my fbi director.
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i can fire him if i want. that's the message. >> it bolsters his overall claim that -- >> witch-hunt clal. >> exact. >>ly. >> they do witch-hunts against other people. that's why i'm pardoning them and it is a witch-hunt against me. the thing is if he wants to send a message to mike flynn or michael cohen, he could pardonen them directly. he chooses not do that i assume because he sees the political cost would be exceeded. i don't think it's necessarily an effective stay strong message. but i do think it serves the witch-hunt that i remembertive he is putting out that. >> thanks to the both. house speaker paul ryan meanwhile is under intense pressure from within his own party not of course for the first time. in a radio interview this morning he laid out his priorities for the summer, including immigration. which has sparked a muteny in the house. a group of 22 republicans have defied gop leadership and joined
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the majorities of democrats working to force a debate on several immigration measures. >> well, we are trying to see if we can get an immigration deal to get the border fully secured. we are also working on opioids legislation. we have got a farm bill to finish. in part of finish bill i think it's important to have work requirements for able bodied people. >> ryan is on his way out of the speakership sick of trying to govern in trump's washington. that of course is similar to what happened to his predecessor john boehner. he let loose at a policy conference in michigan today. >> there is no republican party. there is a trump party. the republican party is kind of taking a nap somewhere. well, you know, donald trump who i know well, was one of my supporters when i was speaker -- i was having a rough week, trump would call me, pat me on the back, cheer me up. we played a lot together.
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this is an incredibly alarming trend. white nationalists are feeling increasingly emboldened across our country. now some of them are taking it to the ballot box. anti-hate groups like the southern poverty law center identified at least eight candidates with white supremacist ties. many connected to the gop. for more on this, i'm joined by morgan radford. you had some fascinating and very disturbing conversations with some of these candidates. >> twafs what was interesting is how open they were about their beliefs. they were open because they really did believe them. but we are at an interesting and peculiar political moment in this country. we have never seen this happen before so publicly and at the national level according to those anti-hate groups. my question in doing this story was why do they feel emboldened now and why do they feel like this is their year to win.
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take a look. >> hi, my name is art jones. >> reporter: arthur jones is running for congress in chicago's third district. do you think you have a shot at winning. >> listen, i wouldn't be in this if i didn't think i could win. >> reporter: also one of eight white nationalists running for state office. >> i consider myself a white racialist. >> reporter: jones was a member of the american nazi party who denies the holocaust ever happened. >> 6 million jews. ridiculous. >> reporter: he is also campaigning to keep chicago's neighborhoods 90% white. >> i think most white people want a white neighborhood. >> do you think black people are genetically inferior? >> the average iq of a black person is about 20 points lower than the average eye q of a white person. okay? >> reporter: i went to harvard. >> all right. and you have got a lot of white blood in you, too. >> some white blood. i'm african-american. >> that's where your intelligence is coming from, i
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think. >> you think it comes from my white side? >> i think so. >> reporter: 20,000 people voted for jones in the march primary. even though he ran uncontested he will be on the republican ticket in november a fact many locals find unbelievable. >> you want my vote. >> no, i don't want your vote. i don't want idiots like you voting for me. >> reporter: but jones's supporters say he is exactly the kind of candidate they want to see in washington. >> even ape abraham lincoln believed the races should stay separated. he said there is too great a difference between the black and white races that they could possibly live together. >> reporter: do you feel that way? >> i feel that way, too. >> reporter: the number of white nationalists running this year is higher than ever before, many running on the republican tukt like patrick little. >> the monsterous nature of the jewish people must be known to the public. >> reporter: you think jews are monsters? >> as a group they are definitely behaving as a monster, 100%. >> reporter: little is running
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for senator diane fine steen's seat in california and blames jews for foreign powers. >> they are responsible for the powers that committed terrorist attacks across the the country. >> reporter: he says president trump is talking to people like this him. >> he dog whistled about globalists. i didn't understand he was talking about jews until after i talked to him. >> it should be a wakeup call. if these types of candidates are going to come out from under the rock they need to be repudiated at the ballot box. >> reporter: but their supporters say this is exactly what they think will make america great again. >> it's not because we are racist. it's because we feel marginalized and we are the ones who are being oppressed for being hard working average american citizens. >> both of those candidates are running on the republican ticket. it is person to note that the republican national committee did say there is no place in america for white supremacy.
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>> morgan, i am incredibly impressed at how you kept your cooling -- that was an intensely personal way to have that conversation. and it went further than that, too? >> sure, i mean, there was a moment where you know he told me that black people are less intelligent. of course you saw that happen. and afterward i said well that white blood that you credits for my intelligence is actually jewish. of all the people. but the issue people are facing is where does this ideology go? does it affect the votes? does it affect the violence. the anti-hate groups are tack tracking the numbers. and we have seen hate crimes up j up 20% just last year in major cities and the number of people killed doubled in 2017 compared to the year of about. what happens next? what happens when black people don't want to leave their neighborhoods and american jews don't want to go to israel? >> could somebody who is a
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republican who doesn't want to vote for a candidate like this, is there way to tell on ballots that somebody has these ties. >> you can tell but it is a tricky. patrick little, he said he is listed as a civil rights advocate because he is saying he is advocating for the rights of working class rights. you have to have a critical eye if you are voting a straight republican ticket in those places. >> great importanting, important to illuminate this to our audiences. for more on this report watch nbc news with lester holt tonight. just moments ago, roseanne tweeted. quote, please don't compare me to other people who have said horrible thing. i only care about apologizing for the hurt i have unwittingly and stupidly caused. i humbly confess contrition and remorse. i failed to correctly express myself and caused pain to people. next an nbc news exclusive. for the very first time the woman whose accusations led to bill cosby's conviction opens up about what he did to her and why
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find thenah.ote yet? honey look, your old portable cd player. my high school rethainer. oh don't... it's early 90s sitcom star dave coulier...! [laughing] what year is it? as long as stuff gets lost in the couch, you can count on geico saving folks money. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. prosecutors in the harvey weinstein harvey weinstein trial could use a similar tactic that was used in the trial of bill cosby. they called in women who had
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accused cosby of sexual assault through the years to share their accusations. and it worked. cosby was found guilty last month on all charges of sexual assault against a womanconstande very first time she's speaking out about what happened in an exclusive interview with nbc's kate snow and kate is here now. kate, fascinating conversation. >> thank you. it's going to be a full hour. one of the things she talks about, kasie, is about the attack itself which happened in 2004. she knew bill cosby. they were friendly. she worked at temple university. he was a famous alum there, supporters of the basketball team where she worked. and one night he invites her over, offers her pills to help her relax. she takes them and then describes not being able to walk, to stand, or to speak as he assaulted her. >> what is your mind saying? >> my mind is saying, move your hands, kick, can you do anything? i don't want this, why is this
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person doing this, and me not being able to react in any specific way. so, i was limp. i was a limp noodle. >> did he say anything? >> no, no. he said nothing. that i could recall. i was in and out of consciousness. >> and you don't remember being able to speak? >> inside i was crying out inside in my throat, in my mind for this to stop and i couldn't do anything. >> incredibly emotional interview. and she has been at this for 13 years. first of all, what was it like for her to fight through that? does she feel like the me too movement helped bring this to a close for her? >> she does. she feels like she's an integral part of the me too movement. if you think about the time line, harvey weinstein and me too started last fall, there was andrea constand and all these other women who came out in the fall of 2014 after a comedian
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started talking about bill cosby. remember that prompted women to come forward. so, yeah, she has kind of a unique position, i think, in the climate or the movement or the moment that we're in culturally right now, that she's been fighting this for all of these years, and only recently has there been this kind of ground swell that she's been a part of and that she's proud to have supported. >> does she feel like it may have affected the trial itself? because obviously, you know, there was one trial that didn't end up going anywhere. then this other one was bill cosby is finally convicted. did it require a public sea change for this to happen? >> i don't know she said it was required. she definitely felt like it helped -- there were five other women whom similar stories to andrea constand, she feels that helped. also she said she was able to connect with the jury. she looked at each juror and she told me that she could feel them kind of believing her and taking
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her at her word. >> that's potentially a real change out of the me too movement. kate snow, thanks. i know you're going to have much more coming up. be sure to watch kate's full interview tomorrow night on the "dateline" special bringing down bill cosby, andrea constand speaks. up next, how u.s. allies and the markets are reacting to the new steel tariffs the trump administration just announced. we'll be right back. the line between work and life hasn't just blurred. it's gone.
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the u.s. is now at war with canada, a trade war specifically. the trump administration is imposing a 25% tariff on steel and a 10% tariff on aluminum imported from canada, mexico and the european union. all three are now fighting back. the european union says it will launch legal proceedings against the u.s. with the world trade organization. mexico says it will retaliate by raising tariffs on u.s. pork bellies, grapes, apples and flat steel, and canada is hitting back with duties on steel, aluminum, and other products including beer kegs, whiskey, and hold the phone, toilet paper. canadian prime minister justin trudeau called the tariffs, quote, toeltly un quote, totally unacceptable. >> i want to be clear about one thing. americans remain our partners, our allies, and our friends.
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this is not about the american people. we have to believe that at some point common sense will prevail. but we see no sign of that in this action today by the u.s. administration. >> joining me now is cnbc's aman javers. common sense will prevail, but they see no sign of that being the case. >> you saw indignant action from trudeau. i just talked to the mexican ambassador to the united states who said this wasn't a surprise. they saw this coming. but they still resent the fact that they are being blamed for national security grounds here, that this is being done in the name of u.s. national security. they say we are america's closest allies, how can you treat us like this? the truch administration would say, look, it's not that you are a danger to the united states.
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it's that ultimately we have to have an aluminum and steel industry here in the united states that's strong and robust in case of any kind of national security, emergency, war or something like that. so they don't want to necessarily offend the allies even though the allies are having that indill anthony response you're seeing from trudeau. >> aman, what can americans expect? are they going to go in and have to pay 30% more for their toilet paper now that these tariffs -- this back and forth has occurred? >> if steel and aluminum tariffs cause you problems with your toilet paper prices that's a problem with the type of toilet paper you're buying. but ultimately, these things take a while to work through the process, right? it won't show up immediately. but, yes, higher costs are one of the problems that can result from tariffs, particularly in those retaliatory tariffs kick in on other products so that you see this trade war developing between both sides where everyone is raising taxes on everything. the beer industry, for example, has been very much against the idea of tariffs on aluminum because they buy so much
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aluminum for beer cans, they're going to have to raise prices on beer in order to offset that. so higher prices could be coming here. >> hipster craft beer drinkers look out. >> that's right. >> aman, thank you. i will see you 7:00 p.m. on "kasie d.c." you can follow me on twitter or instagram. "deadline white house" with my friend nicolle wallace starts right now. >> hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york as another shoe drops in the obstruction of justice investigation into the president, donald trump flexes his pardon power to send a message. "the new york times" out with a stunning new report about a secret memo written by then acting fbi director andy mccabe with what the times describes as, quote, behind the scenes details on the firing of james comey. an event known to be under scrutiny by special counsel robert mueller. two days, two big developments in what we know about the obstruction of justice


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