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cycle around the supreme court felt. demonstrates the extent to which things move so fast. >> don't lose track of the truth. jeremy, ten seconds or less. >> that's right because what's going to happen is things are going to change really fast. the supreme court nomination fight will take over the news cycle. >> the book is "squeezed." thank you very much. before we go, i will just say michael cohen, bold move. stay tuned, everybody. that does it for us this morning. chris jansing picks up the coverage. >> mika, thank you so much. i'm chris jansing in for stephanie ruhle. this morning, huddled masses. more than 2,000 kids still separated from their families, as tens of thousands take to the streets demanding an end to the zero tolerance policy. and this morning, the escalating fight over the future of the agency in charge of deportation. >> i think that mission of i.c.e. is no longer being accomplished. unfortunately, i.c.e. is becoming a deportation force. >> you get rid of i.c.e., you're
going to have a country that you're going to be afraid to walk out of your house. >> think global, act local. markets continue to slide in response to president trump's trade wars as canada marks its birthday by announce ago new round of tariffs on the u.s. now, axios obtaining a stunning proposal from the trump administration looking to leave the wto as the president takes aim at more of our allies. >> the european union is possibly as bad as china, just smaller, okay. it's terrible what they did to us. >> and brief deliberation. president trump says he will make a decision on a new supreme court nominee one week from today. but could a judge who is too conservative run into a problem with republicans? >> i would not support a nominee who demonstrated hostility to roe v. wade. >> we begin today with the national focus on u.s. immigration and customs enforcement. the government agency known as i.c.e. some democrats are now calling
for it to be replaced. the president says it's a fight he would love to have. i've got a great team to help me break it all down. first, let me explain where we stand right now. the president's latest remarks follow another weekend that saw protesters taking to the streets. this time to oppose his zero tolerance immigration policy and demand that divided families be reunited. but in recent days that debate has shifted to include calls to abolish or least reimagine i.c.e., that's the agency in charge of arresting and deporting immigrants here illegally. now, to be clear, only a handful of democrats have signed on to the abolish i.c.e. position. most notably, senators gillibrand, warren and harris. others have been more careful about what they say. >> i think what has to change are the policies. we are always going to need immigration enforcement. >> we abolish i.c.e. now, you still have the same president
with the same failed policies. >> so this is shaping up to be a major midterm battle. the president trying to turn this into a debate over national security. tweeting over the weekend, quote, to the great and brave men and women of i.c.e., do not worry or lose your spirit. you are doing a fantastic job of keeping us safe by eradicating the worst criminal elements. so brave. the radical left dems want you out. next it will be all police. zero chance. it will never happen. he doubled down in an interview with maria bartomelo on sunday. >> i.c.e., you know, these are the guys who go in and take ms-13 out. because they're much tougher than ms-13. you get rid of i.c.e., you're going to have a country that you're a fraud fraid to walk ou your house. >> peter alexander at the white house. let's talk about this strategy. clearly they want to turn the
debate, the folks at the white house, the president, over separated family, which has been a winning one for the democrats, into a debate over i.c.e. and national security. >> the president this morning trying to capitalize on the new calls from the democrats to abolish or overhaul. telling fox news he loves this issue, framing it is a question of national security and most importantly trying to take advantage of this opening handed to him by democrats looking to pivot away from weeks of bad headlines about the family separation. that widely reached policy from this white house. for the president, everything obviously is binary. you're either strong or you're weak. you can guess how he likes to cast himself. now trying to paint the democrats as weak on crime. falsely claiming they support open borders. this is what he tweeted. the liberal left, he says, notice the democrats want to get rid of i.c.e. who do a fantastic job, and want open borders.
crime would be rampant aund uncontrollable. the democrats are divided on this issue. duckworth saying she's not going to sign on, arguing the problem is still the failed policies of the president's. this fight punctuated by those families belong together. rallies in blue states and red protesting. i reached out to the department of homeland security over the weekend. the spokesperson for them responding to me about all those protesters flooding the street saying we thank them for their interest. again, calling for lawmakers to act. and it's important to note, the president really has been misleading americans about his party's attempts to fix border problems. on saturday, they said he never pushed. they never pushed house republicans. that he never pushed house republicans to vote for an immigration bill. but only days earlier, before vote failed, he did exactly that. he tweeted, house republicans should pass the strong but fair immigration bill. so the president trying to rewrite history even as he tries
to rewrite this immigration debate. >> where have we seen that before. peter alexander. thank you so much. i want to go to my panel. this is a professor at the university of texas. jess mcintosh, executive editor of share blue. evan siegfried is a republican strategist. victoria, is this call to abolish or change i.c.e. going to help or hurt the democratic party? >> it's going to help the republican party. if we go back to the trump campaign, two of the pillars of his campaign were immigration restriction and shoring up police support. so you combine those two and that is the winning combination for trump and that is what his base followings. but the irony here, chris, the irony of all ironies, is that aggressive i.c.e. enforcement, i.c.e. going to schools, i.c.e. waiting for parents outside of hospitals, makes our communities less safe. chiefs of police have said when i.c.e. is here making our
community afraid, immigrant communities do not want to cooperate with police and in the end making everybody less safe. that is the biggest irony of saying that i.c.e. makes us safer when, in fact, the i.c.e. we're seeing today under the trump administration, makes us less safe as a country. >> i guess the bottom line, victoria, is that i think you have most americans clearly who are opposed to these family separations, but nobody's going to say i'm against border security. so how do democrats balance those two things? how do they show they can support these families but also not hurt border security at the same time? >> right. i'm going to put on my professor hat here. i teach public policy. so i.c.e. is a bureaucratic entity. calling for the abolition of i.c.e. does not make sense because it comes from above. it comes from the executive, from the administration. so we need to cannihanges thing from above, rather. in terms of pure policy and the
mechanics of politics, it doesn't work. i don't think it's a very useful strategy for democrats because republicans can capitalize on it as we're already seeing with president trump. >> let's listen to how the president framed the midterm debate in terms of all this. this is president trump on fox. >> between maxine waters and nancy pelosi and getting rid of i.c.e. and having open borders and -- the biggest thing, you have open borders, all it's going to do is lead to massive, massive crime. that's going to be their platform. open borders which equals crime. i think they'll never win another election. so i'm actually quite happy about it. >> we've seen this political playbook before going after nancy pelosi. for a lot of republicans, they say it's been a winning formula for them. then you have maxine waters who even leaders of her own party have disagreed with some of statements that she's made. if that's going to be the republican strategy in the midterms or at least one of them, how do the democrats
counteract it? if you're a congressional candidate on the campaign trail? >> i think the biggest thing is to recognize there are considerably more of us then there are of the trump base. i agree with everything victoria said. yes, this plays great with trump base. only 26% of america voted for trump in 2016. you have millions more who are tuned in now than were then. >> but that's a misleading number because it's a percentage -- it's not a percentage of the people who voted. let's not kid ourselves. those are the ones that matter. a lot fewer are going to vote in november than voted in november of 2016. >> given the turnouts we're seeing in special elections, down ballot elections across the country, i think the idea we're going to see a traditionally depressed turnout in the midterm just isn't being born out. i was on the streets on saturday with thousands of my fellow americans. some of them were out for the first time. some of them were protesting for the first time. they're bringing their kids. these are engaged people who are paying attention to politics as
it affects their lives and the communities they care about in a way they simply never have before. so i think -- i think the idea the republicans are going to play specifically to their base without trying to expand that base at all is an absolutely losing strategy that frankly comes from a place of weakness. >> i wonder if the bigger weakness, evan, and, you know, i want your opinion on this, is that republicans don't have a viable plan for immigration. viable being the word here. you even saw what that tweet, as peter put up, that the president said, oh, i would back either plan one or plan two. then he said don't even bother with immigration reform until after the midterms. can they sell tough talk about border security, just that, as an actual plan? >> they can sell it, absolutely. democrats are helping them. if you look at the polling, i have to disagree with my friend jess. only 7% say immigration is not a problem in the united states.
41% of independents believe it should be treated as a criminal matter. i think there's a democrat p disconnect between independents and democrats on the issue. they believe in not separating family, which is a moral issue. and when you start talking about immigration and you see these protests that are over the top saying abolish i.c.e. and you have candidates on the left saying i.c.e. is a terrorist or criminal organization, it makes democrats look weak on immigration. i do believe the immigration is something that needs to be tackled and democrated are making themselves look unserious and they're being charltons, not in touch with what is going on on the ground. >> if you look at signs in those mis, and i was at one of those misas well in -- north of los angeles over the weekend. these signs are largely about the separation of families. immigration as a big picture
didn't motivate these. those pictures of kids being separated from their parents did. so the two sides are throwing all these political punches but there's still more than 2,000 kids who remain separated from their moms and dads. but there's no doubt about it, when they do happen, they're incredibly emotional. tell me about what you saw and what you heard. >> chris, i was there at the l.a. rally a little south of where you were. we heard tens of thousands of people with that rallying cry, "where are the children." organizations on the ground are telling us these reunifications are few and far between. yesterday at miami international airport, i was able to witness that first embrace, two months in the making. just look at that little girl's
face. 7-year-old girl and her mom seeking a better life here in the united states from guatemala. let me just give you a little more context about how they came. it turns out the mother came in the beginning of may with the 10-month-old baby boy, with her little brother, and they were not prosecuted. then the 7-year-old came with the father a week later. he was sent to a government facility in atlanta after being prosecuted. the little girl was sent to a government agency in michigan. halfway across the country. this was a family scattered by this policy and finally the little girl able to be reunited with the mother after two months. the dad is still in jail. he is likely facing deportation. so this is a family that has wounds to heal. the mother told me yesterday they're not likely to be healed any time soon. and when i go back to the reporting that we've been doing, chris, why these reunifications,
according to organizers, aren't happening fast enough, this person from the aclu tells me that this shouldn't be a difficult task for the administration. these are not insurmountable odds. they need to pair up the information on the children and on the parents in an effective matter. now they have an injunction and they have to do it before 30 days time. let's see what happens and we'll keep reporting on this important story. >> yes, tell me about the mom what she told you. i know you had a chance to talk to her. it breaks your heart she's been away from her mom and the trauma she's been through. what did her mom tell you? >> the mom told me she would get these heartbreaking calls from the little girl telling her that she had a fever, that she had a toothache, that she wasn't being told when she would see her mother. this is a little girl whose first language is the indigenous
language in guatemala. she told the mom she felt isolated in this facility. to finally witness that reunification, it makes you feel for so many of these families and the more than 2,000 children who are separated. the civil rights project is telling me that they've been able to confirm at least five deportations. these are parents that have already been sent back to central america and there's likely no relief for them to get reunified with their children to still remain in the united states. >> exact opposite from what we've heard. we know where everybody is, we're getting these reunifications done as quickly as possible. marianna, thank you for your continued reporting on this. reunifications make us all feel good. it's really extraordinary to watch that and you're so happy for that family. >> it is. >> there's still thousands of kids who are separated. >> they won't tell us how many. this is the heartlessness --
>> -- still see everything that senators want to see who have oversight of this, that journal ists want to see who have an obligation. is there concern about we need to be careful about feeling too warm and fuzzy when we see one of these reunions? >> i think seeing the reunions is obviously a wonderful thing both for the family and for the country. because it reminds you what the moral stakes of this are. i think nobody looks at that without thinking of the 2,000 children who are still in camps, incarcerated ostensibly, with no idea when they're going to meet family members and some, as maria was saying, family members already having been deported. there's really no ability to make that happen. the callousness and heartlessness of the trump administration, when we saw health and human services arguing with the department of homeland security over who was in charge of the reunification
plan, and it became clear that there was no plan and no one in charge. the idea that republicans are going to run on this as somehow border security. when what we're talking about is indefinite family detention and the separation of children as young as babies. i think americans can see straight through that. what americans are talking about is what kind of a country are we? what is the moral obligation to people who come here as promised to a country who takes care of the world refugees? >> one side, you have that very real argument and conversation about who are we as americans, you know, when i go downtown, i see the statue of liberty, i think about my grandfather coming across on a boat from hungary all those years ago, 1898. but there is also a conversation to be had about border security. i think when you talk about some of the people in the middle in particular, they have those concerns. we know last night the number of
border arrest misdown in june. the first time that happens in four months. does that give president trump the ammunition to say look, this is working, this program we have, this tough new border plan, is working? or does it undercut his argument, we're being overrun by immigrants and they're causing, you know, potentially you not to be safe in your home? >> i think president trump's base will buy whatever he says. facts can sometimes be stubborn things and they view them as false and they'll buy into whatever facts they want to believe in. the president said about a year ago that illegal border crossings since they came in office were down 60%. then it went close to 80%. and he and vice president pens in april were saying 40%. then the rnc the following week sent out an e-mail saying oh, illegal border crossingings are surging. this is terrible. and democrats don't want to do anything about it. then the following week the rnc sent out a talking point saying president trump has solved the border crisis. there's no real messaging plan. nobody's syncing up.
so i don't know what they're doing. i think when we talk about border crossings, we really haven't talked about the real issue which is visa overstays. two-thirds of all illegal immigrants would came to the united states came from 2014 on in visa overstays. they enter legally. the president doesn't address it. i think democrats would be very smart to hammer the president on that point and say if you're serious about immigration, get serious on visa overstays. >> despite the tense situation playing out over migrants at the southern border, mexico's next president says he's going to seek friendlier ties with the u.s. he made the promise last night after making the victory in the presidential election. president trump offered his reaction on twitter. quote, congratulations on becoming the next president of mexico. i very much look forward to working with him. there is much to be done that will benefit both the u.s. and mexico. let's go live to mexico city
where we find nbc's kerry sanders. let's talk a little bit about who this guy is and how it might impact u.s./mexico relations, kerry. >> what this really allowed for at this moment with the relations between mexico and the united states is for a fresh reset. with the president now elected here, someone who is coming at this perhaps with a general sense of support for the mexican people but at the same time, recognizing that he must deal with donald trump. he said in his speech, in fact, one of his two speeches yesterday, saying with the united states, we will seek a relationship, a friendship, which of course is responding to the relations that these two countries have had in recent years. since the election quite frankly of president donald trump. let's take a look at the crowds here that were gathered to hear him speak. making one of his two acceptance speeches. it was a huge crowd right where
i'm standing right now. filled to capacity. folks here who are excited because they see somebody who brings something different to this political scene down here. you got to remember, for 70 years, they had one party rule here. then in the year 2000, they started moving towards different more centrist sort of government. almo as he's affectionately known is a little bit more left leaning but nonetheless he's made a lot of promises to people here about trying to deal with violence as well as the corruption in this country. but the real issue of course for the united states and mexico right now beyond nafta is the border issue. the security on the u.s. border and of course of the people who are making their way from central america through mexico, all the way up to the united states. the real question for mexico now is going to be if they can't get into the united states, are they going to remain in this country. chris. >> thank you so much, kerry sanders who is down in mexico city for us.
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in what could be a game changer, a blockbuster revelation this morning that president trump's longtime personal attorney michael cohen may be willing to tell all to turn on trump. to special counsel robert mueller in the russia investigation. quote, my wife, my daughter and my son have my first loyalty and always will. i put family and country first. those comments come as prosecutors in new york's southern district investigate cohen for alleged violations of election law and his personal business dealings including that $130,000 payment to stormy daniels before the election. joining me is glen kirshner, former federal prosecutor. what do you make of his comments? >> good morning, chris. i read with great interest his
comments to george stephanopoulos. michael cohen is a man at this point within arm's reach of cooperating with the authorities. and here's why. when you read through his comments and he says things like listen, my family and my country come first, not loyalty to donald trump, and then more importantly, when he says things like i have great respect for the fbi. as well as the fbi agents who executed search warrants on my house, on my office, on my hotel room. i have great respect for the prosecutors. and then he goes a step further and he says anybody who vilifies the fbi really cannot be credited. >> whom could he possibly be referring to when he says that? i want to read, to your point, a little of what george stephanopoulos wrote. when i asked cohen how he might respond if the president or his legal team come after him, he sat up straight. his voice gained strength. i will not be a punching bag as part of anyone's defense
strategy, he said emphatically. i am not a villain of this story and i will not allow others to try to depict me that way. your a former federal prosecutor. you know how this stuff works. if he is somebody within, like, polling distance of turning on his old boss, his old friend, what's happening behind the scenes right now with the mueller team to see that that happened? >> so, i would suggest, chris, what's happening is they have already met or, if not, a meeting is probably set up for the very near future. and as a 30-year federal prosecutor, i can see the path to cooperation emerging. because if you read between the lines of what michael cohen was saying, he could now take position that, look, when i was a business man and donald trump was a business man, we all saw the report out of about 1 million documents and other pieces of efvidence, there were
only about 250 to do with any potential attorney/client privilege. so clearly michael cohen was doing a whole lot of fixing and very little lawyering. >> one of those fixes involved obviously stormy daniels, right? >> right. >> this is something he said he did on his own. it wasn't at the direction of the president. but when he was asked, again, by george stephanopoulos, you know, this is something cohen tells him, i want to answer one day, i will answer, but for now, i can't comment further on advice of my counsel. what does that say to you? >> i think we are about to learn what the true circumstances of the payoff really involved.
because what cohen is going to be able to say is i may have done other things but i am going to put my country first. that is a story line that i think a prosecutor could take into court and could lay out. and they're going to have to lay out the good, the bad and the ugly. they're going to have to expose michael cohen, the wars and all, to a jury, so a jury gets a complete picture of what this man did. and i have to say, if he was engaged in business illegality, let's hypothetically say, federal tax evasion for his many years as a fixer in new york, well, then, of necessity, he's also got state exposure for state tax evasion. that is something a presidential pardon cannot help. but if he comes on board as a cooperating witness with bob mueller, bob mueller can certainly work cooperatively with the state authorities and ent near what's called a global
plea agreement. i've done it many times. when an cooperating witness has criminal exposure in multiple jurisdictions, one prosecutor can take the lead and work cooperatively with the other jurisdictions to bring him on as what we call a global cooperator. so i really think cooperation with the mueller investigation is the only game in town at this point for michael cohen. >> you got to wonder what his legal team is think right now, meaning the president's, not cohen's. thank you so much, glen k kirshner, appreciate it. doubling down on tariffs against key u.s. allies. despite all the pressure from business leaders, world leaders. they're saying the move will trigger job losses and harm economic growth. >> the european union is possibly as bad as china, just smaller. okay. it's terrible what they did to us. european union, take a look at the car situation. they send mercedes in. we can't send our cars in.
look what they do to our farmers. they don't want our farm products. they have their farmers so they want to protect their farmers. but we don't protect ours and they protect theirs. >> those comments prompted the eu to threaten a new round of tariffs on the u.s. that could be worth as much as $300 billion. it's a little stunning to hear him comparing the eu and china. just as the markets are kicking off this week whashgs the reaction to all this back and forth? >> the reaction is, chris what you're seeing right now. we've been watching markets kind in of not in this free fall form but the idea they're reprising to the downside. moving lower because of the threat of these tariffs, of a trade war. what traders and investors are trying to focus on is what a trade war actually looks like. at what point will actually start calling this a trade war as opposed to a trade skirmish or conflict. we tossed around a lot of big numbers. you mentioned the estimated $300 billion that could be the result of eu retaliatory tariffs auto side of things.
on june 22nd, they kicked off their first round of tariffs. on things like boats and motorcycles and jeans and agricultural products. you add on to that, on sunday, canada kicking in its own tariffs on a lot of our agricultural products including whiskey, yogurt, orange juice and the like. you start to get this feel right now that if this is not a trade war, you don't know what exactly is. the question now becomes how much is going to be at stake if all of these things really happen and come to fruition. the real point of this is this is a lot of rhetoric right now, but we are starting to really see some of the effects from a monetary and realized loss standpoint on these trade and tariffs policies, chris. >> yes, and publicly, at least, the president's kind of like, what, me worry, i just want to play what he had to say about his confidence that the tariffs will work. >> we have the worst trade deals in the world. we lose money with everybody. we're going to make it reciprocal. we're going to make it fair. and i will tell you that you
don't know about this but every country is calling every day saying let's make a deal, let's make a deal. it's all going to work out. >> do we think every country is calling every day and saying we feel good about this too, this is all going to work out? >> well -- >> actions might indicate otherwise. >> here's the point. the point is they may not be formally through front channels calling every day and day in and day out, but you can be sure a lot of folks on the diplomatic side of things from all of these countries are all trying to work through back channels or otherwise to try to see if a deal can get done. whether the u.s. has the amount of leverage you think it has, that's a point of debate and contention. we do know that a lot of markets around the world are starting to fair a lot worse than we are. if you look at the market standpoint, maybe there are investors and traders around the world who think the u.s. is in a better state of -- strength i guess, if you will. our markets are not down nearly as much as places like china, not as much as places like japan or certain markets in europe as
well. the real issue right now is whether or not you can get those trade and economic teams to really figure out what exactly will be the deal consensus on this. right now, the trump administration has made it clear that they want to fight this war and they feel as though it's an easy war to win. but right now, we don't know exactly what it's going to take for this kind of a deal to get done on a very large scale with multiple trading partners on this multilateral basis, chris, that's going to be the big deal for markets. >> speaking of partners, i want to talk about this bombshell report revealing the trump administration actually has drafted new legislation to essentially walk away from the world trade organization, the wto. a leaked draft of the bill that, quote, essentially provides trump a license to raise u.s. tariffs at will without congressional consent and international rules be damned. and ignores its most basic principles. joining me now is someone who has white house reporter elena
train. we have not seen it, you have. what more does this draft call for? >> well, i think the most important thing to point out from the start is that the president has absolute contempt for the world trade organization. he thinks it's stacked against the u.s. he think it is unfair, an inconvenient global institution keeping him from what he wants to do which is negotiate with different countries one on one and have the power without congressional oversight to implement tariffs one on one. and some of the things that we're seeing here from this draft bill are two of the key principles of the world trade organization, which is the most favored nation principal, which shows that there should be trade without discrimination. the president wants to do away with that. as well as this, this border broad tariff agreement, which is basically implements ceilings on how much different countries in the world of trade organization can implement these tariffs. >> your reporting is the president wanted this done. so what are you hearing from
inside the white house, inside his economic team? is this, well, let's put it together, we'll give it to hill, it's never going to pass, or is it some sense reality? >> they don't think it will pass. at least most of them, apart from peter navarro, his trade adviser. we actually have reporting that mark short, the legislative affairs director, had told peter navarro a few months back when they were discussing this bill that this is dead on arrival. there's zero chance congress would ever pass this. they don't, you know, they already think he has too much broad authority on implementing different trade agreements now. they don't want to give him more authority to continue doing that. but this is something that the president has wanted for months. he secretly and privately has been talking with aides about fixing this, what he sees about unfair and unbalanced trade with different country. >> it is this is a guy, dom who got elected in large part, you know, with this economic message. i heard it certainly when i was out on the campaign trail all the time. he's a business man. he's going to fix our economic
problems. he has shown a lack of understanding about how trade works, how tariffs work. and i believe -- isn't it true the rules has helped lower tariffs and protect u.s. trade? what, if anything, could he be trying to gain in passing a bill like this? other than autonomy to do what he wants to do? >> that's the real issue, whether the leaked document there was in any way meant to catalyze or evoke a response in some way from other negotiating parties that we're with right now. the issue is whether or not he has the advisers around him, president trump does that are going to pretty much show him that this could be a real path towards at least a downside for the u.s. economy. and when i say that, remember, at the beginning, in his first year in office, president trump had that big council of business leaders, all of these ceos that was later disbanded. one of the people on there was
th the gm ceo -- >> disbanded or walked away? >> right, however you want to spin it, these ceos were the ones who were trying to advise president trump on some of the business implications here. when gm comes out and says if you have trade and tariff policy as it stands right now or going forward, you will see a smaller general motors in america. and we're talking about a company that has 47 plants and 110,000 employees in america. that's a big deal. then you got the business roundtable, right. all those groups speaking out. the u.s. chamber of commerce today is unveiling a new campaign to go after president trump's trade policies. in the end, they say it will cost u.s. consumers and that's going to be something that it's really strange to see groups like the chamber of commerce at odds with the president with the republican party because they are seen as business friendly. to see that kind of thing happen really does evoke some kind of an interesting response from a lot of people out there. >> you got a president who's still going after an american company by the name of harley
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some breaking news from the fbi in cleveland. announcing an arrest in connection to a terror attack planned for the fourth of july. let's bring in nbc's pete williams. >> the man they've arrested is named demetrius nathaniel pits. 48, a u.s. citizen, lived in the cincinnati area, then moved to cleveland. authorities say starting last year he began to express on social media support for al qaeda, the terror group, and the desire to attack or have targets in the u.s. attacked. now, we've seen cases like this before. the fbi did hear what it has done dozens of times in the past. it introduced to him a man posing an al qaeda sympathizer who was, in fact, an undercover fbi agent. the fbi says over several months pit's expressed a desire to locate, scout, do reconnaissance
on specific potential targets in the cleveland area, including a park, including the location where the fourth of july gathering would be, and repeatedly said that he wanted to kill people or at least assist in killing people, and according to the u.s. attorney justin herdman, the man certainly had evil intent. >> he wanted to target, even initially, from the very beginning of this, people at a july 4th parade. he also talked about wanting to target people watching fireworks over downtown cleveland, right outside this building. he also wanted to strike at the values that are at the very core of our nation. he wanted us to be afraid to speak our minds. he also wanted us to be afraid to gather together in public places. so i asked this week that we all continue to gather, continue to celebrate america, continue to celebrate our men and women in
law enforcement, to acknowledge those who have given their lives in the line of duty, to engage in the exchange of ideas that is central to our democracy, to continue to have our barbecues barbecues and don't go see fireworks. >> now, to be clear, authorities say pitts himself did have any explosives and does not have any means of carrying out an attack. but one of the reasons they were concerned about him, chris, they say he had a criminal background. he'd been arrested before for domestic violence, assault and robbery. >> thank you, pete williams. appreciate that. meantime the clock is ticking, tensions mounting we're just a week away from president trump announcing miss nominee for the supreme court. the president has narrowed his tlous five candidates include two women. trump will be holding interviews this week, leading up to the decision, he says, roe v. wade will not be a major topic of discussion. >> are you going to does your
nominees beforehand how they might vote on roe versus wade? >> that's a big one, probably not, they're all saying don't do that. you shouldn't do that. but i'm putting conservative people on. >> well, just the reminder, the president only needs a simple majority. 51 votes to get his nominee through the senate. and all eyes on republican senator susan collins. she said roe v. wade is law. >> if candidate for this important position who would overturn roe v. wade would not be acceptable to me, because that would include an activist panel that i don't want to see a judge have. >> and with what susan collins says, is this and is it always destined to be a pick, adam that was largely about abortion? the exit poll from 2016 very
clear about conservatives voting in large numbers on one single issue, the supreme court. >> i think whether there's a decision in the post roe v. wade world, there is -- >> but, we've never been at a tipping point before. they have made their decision before. >> because they don't have the candidate? >> because they already have. >> all they have to do is whether or not this judge believes in judicial precedence. you're going to see a lot of judges ask about it. and you're going to see lisa collins look into it and maybe lisa murkowski. there are three senators who voted and they are now between a rock and a heart placard place.
they face the choice do we go and vote for the judge to be the next justice and try and appeal to the trump voters. or do we appeal to the liberal base of the party that we need to turn out. one way or another, they're going to have trouble. >> it's fascinating when we play this parlor game, jess, about who it might be. one person who fascinates is amy cohen barrett. she's getting a lot of good press. number one, she could clerk for scalia. she's a mother of seven. a lot of folks on the far right believe the democrats will make this a religious issue to their detriment. and she's 46. we heard what the president said about wanting to have someone who could stay on the bench. she could be on the bench until 2025, some conservatives say 2060. what do you think? >> i mean, 2060, think about that number? >> oh, yeah, yeah. that's the remainder of my likely lifetime.
so, that's a fairly long one knock on wood hope. i think it's easy to think about this one as a parlor game. but the stakes have never been higher for a supreme court pick than they are right now. and it's not a parlor game the repeal of roe for american women. it's also not a controversial issue, 7 in 10 americans -- >> so, let me stop you there. yes, we know what americans think about abortion. the polls show that very clearly. >> but republicans -- >> democrats knew this was coming, what's the plan? >> yeah, i mean, i think, honestly, the plan should have been more focus on the supreme court as a motivating issue in 2016. we have never done a fantastic job of turning out our base with court threats. republicans are very, very good at that, and now they're reaping the rewards. the plan now is for democrats to hold strong and firm for as long as they can. the idea that a president who
under investigation that would get to pack the court for the next generation -- >> you can say that but of the fact of the matter is what you just said, what can the democrats do? evan, are the republicans sitting back and saying yeah, we probably do have this. it could be amy cohen barrett. it could be kavanaugh and there are a lot of judges on the short list. what's important to me and it's a nonpartisan issue what's really important is that the judge be digital literate. the digitally literate is what we see over the next years. we're not talking about whether the police can track you on your cell phone. we're talking about apple and other companies can track on you. >> thanks to that. thanks to both of you. up next, how hillary
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