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they were when the president betrayed the country. >> thank you. good to see you. the rach he had maddow show starts now. thank you for joining us at home today. all right. first, deep breath. not that deep. this was a big day. let's talk about what happened and with the full and complete expectation that more of it may yet happen while we are talking tonight. things going fast now. everybody needs to pay attention. on this show since the summer of 2016, we have covered the russia angle on the candidacy and the administration of the current president probably more than
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anybody in the national press. i've been teased for it. criticized for it. i know the intensity of our coverage, of what we now know of, the russia scandal, our dedication to the story, by necessity has squeezed out time that we may have devoted to other stories. i know that. i'm totally cognizant of that. on this of all days, here's why we have covered it so intensely. since it first became clear that there was something wrong and illicit and unexplained about the relationship between this particular foreign adversary and the unlikely rise of this unlikely politician who shocked everyone by winning the last u.s. presidential election, there was no reason as a presidential candidate he would stick with some care to say anything remotely critical about
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russia and its president. there was no reason why he would dig out of the vault a campaign chairman who had not worked in american politics for more than a generation but he had spent more than a decade doing vladimir putin's work in the soviet union. there was no and applicable reason to name a guy quite recently and literally caught up in a russian spy ring in new york as one of his five foreign policy advisers when this was a guy nobody had ever, ever heard of. there is no reason to keep secret that he did have pending business deals in russia during the campaign. from a man who loves to brag about even the smallest and most unimpressive business endeavors, his steaks, his vodka, his terrible wine. there was no and applicable reason why he wouldn't brag on the day of one of the early presidential primary debates, that very day, he had signed a letter of intent to build the
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tallest building in russia. there is no and applicable reason. there is no reason why the republican party wouldn't intervene in the platform to make it more pro russia and then cover up their tracks and deny they have anything to do with it. there's no and applicable reason. he surprised everyone by inviting the russian foreign minister into the oval office with no notice, no u.s. media, and apparently to limit on his willingness to disclose to russian officials code word intelligence. there is no reason for any of those things. unless you were willing to believe the worst. and who wants to believe the worst? you don't want to think too hard about the worst-case scenario.
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for one thing it raises uncomfortable questions about what we should do as a country, what we should do as citizens. if the worst case is true. for everything that we've been through as a country, for every kind of trial and challenge and intrigue and embarrassment and scandal that we have been through as a nation, we haven't ever had to reckon with the possibility that somebody has ascended to the presidency of the united states to serve the interests of another country rather than our own. what's the corrective to that? how do you remedy that? these are no longer hypothetical questions. this is where we are and i recognize it sounds nuts to say it even now. this is a reason why there's a big national freakout over what the president just did in public. whatever happened in the long private meeting he insisted on taking with vladimir putin today with no other american officials
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present, whatever happened there, what happened in public there after has really shaken the country today. for the worst possible reasons. before today, no serving u.s. president has ever before taken sides with a foreign government against our own. let alone a foreign government that has just attacked our country. if the president did that today because he has some reason to serve that country rather than our own, well then a lot that has previously been inexplicable is. deep breath. it means we'll have to come to terms with this as a country and we'll have to come to terms with what we need to do next as a country to fix this. in order to do that, the
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blinders have to come off. we have to be real. happily, just at the time we need that, we are getting some serious help from the now rapidly unspooling legal case that surrounds this scandal. from the special counsel's office, from the fbi, from the national security division at the justice department, from the court rooms where these multiple krass moving forward. the story of what russia did to our country and who might have helped them and how, and how much trouble they might be in, it is just now starting to come into focus. the different pieces of it. and on that front there's been a bunch of developments. when i said things might continue to develop while we're talking over the course of the hour, i mean it. not just over the past few days and today, even while the summit was happening, but into this evening. we have a bunch of new developments that have given us as citizens a lot more clarity. a lot of new clarity in terms of what happened to us and what
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evidence law enforcement and counter intelligence investigators have been able to assemble. when we can look at the evidence that they've been able to nail down, where they have shown their work, which they have done so much of in the last few days, that gives us a view of where they're heading. i think of further help to us in terms of figuring out who we are, where we want to be and how we will deal with what is now a national security crisis for our country. so to that end, i think the legal case here is not necessarily the way we fix this as a country. i don't know what is the way we fix this as a country. it is the way we find out what's going on and get the truth. to that end, in terms of the evolution of this legal case, let me start with one small development that didn't get very much attention today. i'm leading with this not because it is the most important thing but because you might not have heard about it. it is a new development in the case of paul manafort, the president's campaign chair. necessary jail now awaiting two different federal trials on
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multiple felony trials in each jurisdiction. the first jurisdiction in which he was charged was washington, d.c. the judge set a trial date for manafort in d.c. in september. the second he was charged was in the eastern district of virginia. even though those charges came second, the eastern district of virginia is known as the rocket docket. they like to go fast. don't ask a judge in the eastern district for a delay in your trial. don't take long recess. don't ask the judge to make it take too long. they like to go fast. sometimes faster than teeth prosecutors or the defense is comfortable with. in manafort's virginia trial, not only did they set his trial date for july, two months ahead of his d.c. trial date, even though he was charged in d.c. first. but the judge in virginia has really sped things along. turned down his request for a
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delay. he turned down prosecutor's request for a longer period of time to be blocked out on the judge's calendar for the trial. they wanted three weeks for the trial. he said no, i want it done in one week. he wants to get it done. that's what this docket is nobody for and that whatever is what this judge is known for. that's why it is surprising and very interesting that in paul manafort's case in the rocket docket eastern district of virginia, the judge just handed out a big delay. just postponed a hearing that was due to happen in manafort's case tomorrow morning. this was going to be an interesting part of the case anyway. a hearing to discuss a lot of procedural elements of the case. tomorrow will be the hearing but the judge now says that will be delayed until next week. and no, we don't know why. it's totally possible the judge has a toothache, right? or needs to get his car
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inspected. just realize, can't meet tomorrow for some totally different reason. but it is worth noting that things have been going very badly for manafort and his defense team. his lawyers have lost literally on every single motion they've made to the judge up to and including paul manafort being moved several days ago to a new jail he did want to be moved to. a move that occasioned the public release of this mug shot. if this is being delayed, it is the process of the new development, it could be that he is potentially considering a guilty plea. he is the only american charged thus far in the entire case who has not pled guilty or agreed to cooperate with prosecutors. if he does so, that would be a
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big deal. so you should know that's going on in the manafort case. as we were getting that small bit of information out of the eastern district of virginia today, as we were getting that information, the justice department today announced a surprise new indictment. this was made a lot more headlines. a lot of the reporting on this indictment today describes maria buttina as a russian gun rights activist. there isn't a gun rights movement in russia. let alone one that she is part of. there aren't gun rights in russia. there is no gun rights movement in russia. the idea that vladimir putin and his political party with which he is allied, the idea that they would support that activism on russian soil is ridiculous. that would be like mike pence in a gay pride parade.
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does not compute. what she has been visibly for a few years is an odd russian appendage to the nra specifically and associate d. you might remember us reporting that among american officials, she and another russian who she is associated with, among the americans they were able to get, to go for this laughable gun rights in russia scam they were pulling, was john bolten who is the new trump national security adviser. i mean, maria buttina was arrested yesterday and being charged. john bolten, not that long ago was persuaded to make a video address for her supposed gun rights group in russia. >> today, you're engaged in an historic debate about the possible expansion of your freedoms. should the russian people have
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the right to bear arms? >> today according to a criminal complaint filed in federal court in washington, d.c., the person who arranged for john bolton to make that address on russian gun rights, she was charged with conspiracy to act as an agent of the russian federation within the united states. the fbi's investigation has revealed that maria buttina was working in the direction of an unnamed russian official who was named as a high level official in the russian government previously a member of the legislature of the russian federation and later became a top official at the russian central bank. that russian official isn't named in the criminal complaint but it is clear as a bell that he is alexander, her long time associate. as described today, he directed maria's activities in furtherance of this conspiracy. the fbi's investigation has later revealed that they took
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steps to establish private or as she called them, back channel hines of communication. these lines could be used by the russian federation to penetrate the decision making an rat to us advance the russian federation. the criminal complaint goes on to describe what seems to be a russian government supported effort to use alexander and maria to influence the republican party and the united states. using the nra as the russian point of leverage. and it is clear that the political party in question is the republican party. and the gun rights organization is definitely the nra. that's how you have to read it. the fbi retains what they call her project proposal for this spying operation. if you insert the proper announces, it is pretty surprising what she says as of
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march 2015 she was trying to do. this is her project proposal. the first line reads, project description. diplomacy. it goes on to state that a major political party, the republican party, would likely obtain control over the u.s. government after the 2016 elections. the project proposal says the republican party is traditionally associated with negative and aggressive foreign policy, particularly with regard to russia. however, now with the right to negotiate, seems best to build constructive relations. the project proposal notes the central place and influence in the republican party played by the nra. the nra according to her is the largest sponsor of elections to the u.s. congress as well as a sponsor other events. that's her project proposal for this influence operation which the fbi says she was running left fieldly in the united
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states. to infiltrate and influence they will. that's her project proposal in 2015. why would one in the russian government believe the republican party wlikely to gai control over the elections in 2016? why would she think that? why does she think that enough to be so sure that she was going to predicate this whole influence operation over a number of years on that expected outcome? also, why in the spring of 2015 did she think she had the, quote -- the right to negotiate. why would the russian government believe in 2015 they had the right to negotiate with the positions of the republican party would be ahead of the 2016 elections? again, don't know. but we are likely to find out. the fbi lays out detail in this criminal complaint how she worked with the government
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between unnamed u.s. persons and the russian government. we don't know who u.s. person two is but a year after her project proposal, she reportedly e-mailed u.s. person two said, that he had confirmed to her. and that there was approval for building this communication channel. so putin approved of her building this back channel to the american republican party through the nra. a back channel that went from the kremlin to the republican party using the nra as the conduit. approved by russian presidential administration. according to the complaint, the election results from the 2016 election came in overnight, as november 8 turn ed, with her
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handler in the russian government, that night as the election returns came in according to the complaint she said to him, quote, i am going on sleep. it is 3:00 a.m. here. i am ready for further orders. later that month, having arranged for a large russian delegation to attend the national prayer breakfast which took place in early 2017 right after the trump inauguration, maria butina, quote, she stated the people on the list are hand picked by alexander and me and are very influential in russia. they are coming to establish a back channel of communication. that was an e-mail to u.s. person one. the importance of this new indictment, iflgs going on say twofold. i think it's threefold. first this is a collusion indictment. this is a criminal allegation
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from the national security division of the justice department and the fbi that an agent of the russian government was working in republican and conservative politics in this country to among other things, set up secret contacts and secret lines of communication with the kremlin. with support from and approval from vladimir putin. that's one. this is a collusion indictment. and there's u.s. persons described but not named. presumely we will come tons them. that's one. in our own politics, this has very large implications for the nra and in the republican party and the conservative movement. if nothing else, this will put a very hot fire under the question of whether the nra may have been used, not just for a russian influence operation in the united states but potentially as a means of funning -- funding.
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but there's one last way in which this will be really important and that's the logistics. this is not going to only be interesting on its first day. this is going to be a gift that keeps on giving. unlike the indictment of all the other russians, all the other 26 russians who have been criminally charged thus far in the mueller investigation, unlike those 26 marks rhea butina was here and they have arrested her. the other 26 russians charged will likely never, ever set foot in a u.s. courtroom or ever again on u.s. soil. but maria was here. they executed search warrants in april. over the weekend an arrest warrant was very quietly issued, she is currently being health
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without bond. a notification has been made to the russian consulate that the u.s. is holding one of russia's citizens. she is expected to appear in court on wednesday. in federal court in washington, d.c. and what that means is that in all likelihood in this case, there is going to be a case, a trial with indictments from february and unlike the 12 russians who were indicted on friday. we've got names and sxripgss very serious crimes alleged. in this case, they've got her. we're going to see the fight unfold and this all follows the incredible bunl of information we got friday when the 12 officers were indicted for the attack in the criminal campaign. when the president said he
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doesn't believe the u.s. government on the question of whether or not russia was involved in the 20 selection. part of the convenient because he said that standing there. they have the russians dead to rights and they've shown their work and it is very specifying. in the friday indictment, they trace the bitcoin payments used by these gru officers to set up the first website where they dumped the stolen documents. they followed bitcoin, they followed the money. they collect the money used to set up d.c. to the same funds being used to set up malicious domains. that's how they hacked and stole the documents in the first place. that means that publication and dissemination are linked by a money trail to the way they
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stole the materials in the first place. that means anybody who aided and abetted in any part of that, aid and abetted in that major crime. we know it is all the same people doing all the same work with all the same money for all the same that you recall. any americans involved in that. the twitter account they set up from d.c. leaks was from the same account. it was blacks against hillary. it was registered on the same server where they hosted more of these spear fishing domains and that whole virtual net work was paid for out of the same coin that they used to buy a serving server from malaysia from which they ran the website. it is all laid out in the indictment. all the different parts of it.
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the propaganda to make people believe there was controversy about and hatred for hillary clinton that did not exist in government. that was the same operation stealing material in the clinton campaign and the same people and the same operation that staged the release of those stolen documents cause maximum political painful first through d.c. leaks and then lucifer and then wikileaks. all the same money, all the same computers. that gives us incredible insight into what the crime was and who done it. but it also ought to give us some appreciation for how much u.s. law enforcement and u.s. counter enforcement has been able to do. they got the names of the officers. they knew who was masquerading.
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they know who was running programs to clear his tracks when word that the fbi was on to him. and one of the things we have yet to talk about tonight but we'll talk about with someone who was right there in the middle of it, the very serious allegation raised in the friday indictment, that the russian operation with or without the help of american confederates, still unclear, they have appear to have done stuff or tried to do stuff that wasn't just about swaying public opinion and stealing stuff that was then turned back around into u.s. mideast. it says that they targeted field operation plans when they stole stuff from the democratic party. and they stole hundreds of thousands of individual voter files. and they stole something that they describe as the test applications related to the dnc's analytics.
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if this president was elected with dpomts were stolen and turned loose on the president, if this president was elected because russian military intelligence obtained for him his points' field operation plans and voter files and the democratic party's an, the analytics. that's not an influence operation anymore. that's, i mean, that is, that is something as i said at the top, we need to really seriously reckon with as a country. maybe for the first time and without blinders on. we now need to get this right. the president publicly took sides with russia against the u.s. government today and that
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really has occasioned a national freakout. at this moment i think worst being specific. what the danger is and what the best way for america to fix a problem like the one. it is something we have never confront as a nation. we have to get this right. a big night tonight. stay buckled in. lots to come. ♪
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was today a surprising day really? was it a surprise? clearly people are shocked. about i have a nominee for least surprising moment at the trump/putin press conference. when president trump found a way to brag about his election win over hillary clinton. it was actually a question posed of vladimir putin and trump jumped in to answer himself to make sure everybody heard again that he won that election. fair and square with no russian help and the whole russian investigation is just sour grapes from the democrats. the president brings that up at every opportunity. he says it all the time. here's something to note though. in the indictment that came down from the special counsel, federal prosecutors in that indictment are essentially
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raising the prospect among the things russians stole from the democrats were things russia could have used to help the trump campaign in a material way in its campaign operations. not just a disinformation campaign. not just, you know, facebook posts and social media ma anymore lags to make americans hate each in a divisive way. according to the indictment handed down on friday, the russian hackers targeted computers could not detaining information such as opposition research and field operation man's for the 2016 elections. also, in or around september 2016, the conspirators gained access to democratic party computers hosted on a third party cloud computing service. they contained test applications related to the dnc's analytics. after conducting reconnaissance, they gathered data by creating snap shots of the cloud-based systems. and that sounds like one in a
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list of a million things the democrats stole. just focus in on that for a second. two months before the election, the russian government hackers set out to in effect succeeded in stealing the democratic party's analytics which i think means, it is detailed information on its own voters which the democratic party's map for how they would try contest and win the election. if that ended up with the opposing campaign, or with the russian government, what could they have done with that information? joining us now is glen kaplan. a former senior spokesman for the hillary campaign. a big part of his job on the campaign was studying the russian hacking operation in real-time and trying to explain what was happening. glen, thank you for being here. >> nice to be back. >> let me ask, where the very detailed indictment, more than 300 people in the democratic party in the hillary campaign being targeted, then being able to follow people's key strokes and screen shots, getting field
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operations data, going after the analytic that's were on the democratic party's servers. does that comport with what happened? >> it is both not surprising and mind-blowing at the same time. it completely comports with what we've known back to july of 2016. and the last time i was here, we talked about the switch in tactics from goose i 2.0 and wikileaks being a change in strategy. what you saw is where it says, wikileaks said to russian intelligence, we will have a much higher impact than what you are doing. he talked about the timing. so it weighs out exactly what we've been saying. >> and that was fascinating. reading it in the indictment, it became clear, they started with d.c. leaks. first they tried to create a website called election leaks. they couldn't do it for some
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reason. they reported to be american hack-tivists. then they fingered russia and said this looks like russian government. then they formed the goosifer. no, no, it's not a hacker and then wikileaks comes to goosifer and says we can do it better. and starts specifically looking for information they can use that wikileaks can use, that russia can use to attract bernie sanders supporters. and wikileaks says this would be a good time to sow discord. it is not new news that goosifer 2.0, there were reams of reports that came out in the summer of 2016 that said exactly that. when trump campaign officials say, oh, i wasn't talking on russian intelligence, please,
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come. on. >> let me ask but the analytics. september, we're talking maximum eight weeks before the election, they somehow, the russian military intelligence hackers somehow get the dnc's analytics, data related to the analytics off this cloud server. what does that mean? what kind of information is that? what utility would information like that be? >> a lot of utility. so analytics provides a window into individual voters. what voters in a campaign need to talk to. it will tell you which voters you think are persuadable. which voters do you think are likely to turn out. >> which voters, literally, which individual people. >> right. at the individual level. you have to remember, democratic campaign organizations know their voters better than republican dozen and vice versa. so it is extraordinarily valuable for your opponent to have that kind of data about individual voters about, who you think is going to turn out.
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who you think is persuadable. who you think will vote for your candidate. who you think is enthusiastic. >> so if you in the clinton campaign had had the analytics from the trump campaign, if that had fallen out of the sky and you had that, you would be able to turn your campaign around in order to use that information to defeat trump. >> it would be enormously helpful. and you, a campaign uses analytics to decide where to buy tv advertisement. who you will target literally target on social media. so your point having that would be deeply, deeply problematic. and this is an important point. before election day, a story came out where a senior trump official was on background said, we have three major voter suppression operations underway. >> i remember this. it was a weird thing to be in the press. you don't announce we're doing voter suppression campaigns. >> when your whole thing is the selection rigged, it is even more surprising.
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they were very, very specific. they said, quote, they're aimed at three groups clinton needs to win. young women and african-americans. >> that's in the press ahead of election day. when i saw the july 27 date, in the mueller indictment which is interesting for many reasons. >> when trump says russia, if you're listening, we want those 33,000 e-mails. >> which caught our attention on the campaign loudly that day, and clearly the russians were listening as well. when you think of july 27, when you think of this story before election day, their stated goal is voter suppression, one of the most valuable things you can use analytics for is who you target -- >> you're implying that they may have said that to the press to signal to russia what they wanted done with that information. >> an absolute possibility. >> the senior national spokesperson, thank you for coming in.
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russian foreign ministry today. this was lavrov at the summit snagging the best seat in the house next to putin. there is right hand man, literally. when he was asked how the summit went, he basically burst with happiness. like a grape. he told russian state media that today was, quote, fabulous. better than super. and i didn't have to add the elip sis there. that's literally what he said. fabulous. better than super. that's how they're viewing it in the kremlin. joining us, ambassador to russia, ambassador, i know you've been up all night. this has been a remarkable 24-hour period. thank you for being with us. >> with a little time to reflect on what you saw and the importance of these events, i want to ask what you think of the fact there is kind of a national freakout happening in this country today about what
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the president did. the behavior of presidents at foreign summits is always of interest, always newsworthy. this seems to have shaken this country today. i wonder if you feel with a little reflection that that is warranted. >> it is striking to me, rachel, that it has gotten an overwhelming reaction all over the country and the world. just remember what you said earlier. you and i have been talking about this for years already. many years. i want to emphasize that. because there was such a focus on the president today standing next to putin that created the image, and it would have been so easy for him to push back just a little bit, right? i'm sure that's what his advisers told him to do before that press conference. yet he didn't do it. and i think it was jarring to see him doing that, standing right next to vladimir putin. hopefully it is a wake-up call for our country to take this much more seriously. >> what would taking it more seriously mean in nuts and bolts
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terms? since i've been on the air i've been starting to see the first images from protests taking place right now across the street from the white house. seemingly spontaneous protests breaking out. we've seen calls for members of trump's national security team on resign for senior intelligence officials on resign. obviously the country is taking this seriously. you can see it from the reaction. do you agree with these calls for resignation? that they should be out in the street. if not now, when? >> well, resignations are always a tough call. when they leave, things can get worse. i've known some of the people fired by president trump and i know that dilemma. but i do think we need a greater national debate with what's going. on you and i have been doing this a long time. a lot of people have enjoyed that debate and in particular, republicans need to step up.
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they need to speak out. not just the familiar voices. this is a national security crisis and the president of the united states new all the way to finland, met with vladimir putin and basically we've been discussing possible scenarios. but there is really no way to describe it. i mean, do you really think president trump cares about arms control? that was his big take away. i bet you he doesn't even know what's in the treaty. when you think about it that way, you put it altogether and think why is it that he is so, so willing to step over himself to lavish praise on vladimir putin? i think the american people and our government demand that we get an answer to that question. >> former ambassador to russia. thank you, sir. i know it's been a very long 24 hours. thanks for being us.
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that time stamp is for real. he's up before 5:00 a.m. in finland. that's a lot to ask of him. i will just underscore that his bottom line assessment there, this is a national security crisis. this is a national security crisis, at least as far as i can tell. the question is how we handle it. usually when we have a national security crisis in this country, we look to the president to lead us. in this case the national security crisis is the president, and i'm not sure we know who will lead us out of this, but we will find out soon. more to come here tonight. stay with us. your society was l, who governed thousands... ...commanded armies... ...yielded to no one. when i found you in my dna, i learned where my strength comes from. my name is courtney mckinney, and this is my ancestrydna story. now with 2 times more geographic detail than other dna tests. order your kit at
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you're the puppet! you're the puppet! >> what you are hearing there is you're the puppet! you're the puppet! so the president is home. he just landed and took a helicopter home whereupon a humble protest was waiting for him across the white house. these giant illuminated letters that spell liar. i think they have it for him to read it. welcome home, mr. president. >> thank you for being here. >> thank you, rachel. >> i want to give you the chance
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to respond to what you saw today, just with the historians eye. how big of a deal is this? >> we are living in a national emergency. we may not have known it 24 hours ago. we do now. i have been studying and writing about presidents since i was 20 years old. i never thought i would live to say this. this is a president who demonstrated he deserves suspiciosu suspicion that he is acts on behalf of another country other than his own. >> you're saying this is a national security crisis. a lot of the u.s. presidency is about presidents rising to the occasion or not at times of national emergency as a national security crisis. watergate is the only other time i can think of where the
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president was part of the crisis. >> right. >> that's why we keep going back to watergate in terms of trying to understand the magnitude here. but when it is a foreign policy matter, when it is an intelligence matter like this and the president is not the one to lead the country out of this problem, do we have anything from history to understand? >> sadly we don't or good thing we don't. nixon did terrible things, but no one ever suspected seriously that he was acting on behalf of return s russia or some other foreign power so we can't look back and say this is the way we did it. on the other hand, this is the time for members of congress to step out, particularly members of donald trump's own party. republicans during richard nixon went to the white house and said you can't stay there anymore. we can no longer accept this. if we see tomorrow morning that republican leaders in the house and senate are still saying, you
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know, yes, this was a terrible press conference, but we're still for donald trump, then we've got an even bigger problem. we also have elections this fall. >> also that question about republicans and their role here in sharp relief with the latest indictment tonight. >> we have to make sure these elections work. >> thank you, my friend. >> thank you. we'll be right back. stay with us. ♪ keep it comin' love. ♪ keep it comin' love. ♪ don't stop it now, ♪ don't stop it no. ♪ don't stop it now, ♪ don't stop it. ♪ keep it comin' love. ♪ keep it comin' love. ♪ don't stop it now, if you keep on eating, we'll keep it comin'. all you can eat riblets and tenders at applebee's. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood.
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[ screams ] ♪ [ laughs ] ♪ whoa, whoa, whoa. your one item would be the name your price tool? it helps people save on car insurance. why wouldn't it save me? why? what would you bring? a boat. huh. i have once again eaten the real estate of my neighbor. i'm sorry. we'll see you tomorrow night. sorry, lawrence. good evening, sir. >> come on, rachel. 20 seconds, that's nothing. >> that's nothing for me. i'm sorry. >> so far it is the best 20 seconds of my show. so we're left with this choice. is donald trump just lying when he says he doesn't think russia did it or he's not sure if russia did it or