candidates. they're bringing the message that what can work in the bronx or ver empmont can also work in heartland. with new reports that there is a tape that donald trump is on it and that michael cohen made it. why is this news breaking right now as this legal pressure builds across the board on trump's lawyer and fixer michael cohen and the white house has continued to battle back a scandal of putin proportions? i can tell you i'm very excited to learn the answers because we have several key people who can shed light on this question. michael cohen taped donald trump two months before the election and they discussed secret payments to be made to karen mcdougal. she has since prevailed in a suit with a media outlet related to all those allegations.

we'll get to that. what else do you need to know? investigators have this tape. the fbi seizing it from cohen's office in april. after that raid cohen's opponent in the case, michael avenatti, made some news on this show by declaring he knew for a fact this type of tape existed. >> i know for a fact donald trump is on at least one of these recordings already. >> how do you know that? >> i'm not going to get into the details -- >> would you say that in court? >> absolutely. >> donald trump is on one of the recordings, at least one of them. i know that for a fact, i stand behind it. >> stands behind it and today that fact being reported. michael avenatti joins me with more. the white house is making clear it doesn't like this news at all and trump saying he didn't know he was being recorded while his lawyers are probing what other potential tapes could be revealed. and also putting out wording that any other tapes that might be revealed are quote, not

substantive. these leaks make cohen look like something of a threat to donald trump. as michael cohen relies on his own lawyers to defend himself and a top hillary clinton aide. but it was only three months ago in this lightening warp speed era we're living in that president trump was telling reporters on air force one that cohen was still his attorney, meaning on his side, and that cohen could take all the tough questions on trump's behalf. >> michael's my attorney and you'll have to ask michael. i haven't spoken to michael in a long time. >> in a moment i'm going to speak to former prosecutor flannery about this as well as another lawyer for donald trump his long time litigator jay goldberg who's joined me before. but i begin with megan a reporter for "the new york times" who has covered this story expensively.

and liz plank, an investigative reporter for fox. megan, when you look at the original allegation against trump and cohen, how did these women get us to this place, and why is michael cohen looking more and more like he might be taking out revenge on the president? >> well, this has been -- i think this has turned into a legal rats nest for the president. and what we know about what happened in 2016 towards the end of the presidential race was, well, two things. one, that there were payments made to women who claimed consensual affairs with the president. one was made directly by michael cohen, that's the stormy daniels payment. and another was made through american media ink, the parent company of the national inquirer. trump has been insistent in the beginning saying he didn't know anything about these payments. michael cohen has said he handled them on his own.

and i think what we're seeing today is more new evidence that the president was actually certainly aware much closer to the time of the payments if not at the actual time of the payment. >> which means what? >> well, these payments are significant because they're being investigated as potential campaign finance violations. >> and it would seem to imply that he was lying about it before. >> that is one way to read it. so the question is not just if he's been lying about it but in fact was he a direct participant in these payments, was he aware of them at the time? and if so that could basically plunge him into the heart of this criminal -- one aspect of this criminal investigation. >> yeah, and liz, let me read a little more from this reporting. if he were to make a payment to ms. mcdougal to write a check rather than send cash so it can

be properly documented. and "the new york times" jumping ahead if there is a case, quote, it's not clear whether a federal judge would rule on whether prosecutors could even listen to the recording and we'll get later to lawyers here. but whether or not the prosecutors get it, it's in "the new york times" for a reason tonight. do you think it's because michael cohen is continuing to give the president a hard time? >> maybe when michael cohen told donald trump he wouldn't record his conversation maybe he meant that he would. >> wow, i think that's a double negative burn. >> right, but if there's one person who would understand that it would be donald trump, right? clearly michael cohen has used different ways of communicating with donald trump in a very sort of subtweet kind of way. whether it's with, you know, tweets he's done or meetings that he's had with vice -- with a show literally called trump tapes. i believe in sort of inching at

the idea there are these tapes. today it's very clear, you know, we don't know who leaked this story, this information. but given the reporting i think it's pretty clear it might be coming from michael cohen himself. so he's trying to speak to trump, the idea of the pardon and him wanting this pardon is always in the backdrop and clear i think with this story. >> i think the point liz makes wouldn't not be a bad theory, by which i mean -- i'm sorry, double negative. i botched it. >> it's interesting, too, giuliani in defending trump on this tape has said that he wasn't aware he was being recorded at the time. and that raises a couple of questions, which one, was michael cohen in the habit of secretly recording the president in the process of representing him, and two, why did he feel compelled to secretly record him about this matter? >> let me bring in john flannery on some of these questions. mr. flannery, when you look at

everything you just heard, what is the legal significance? >> well, in terms of the law the campaign violations are an obvious one. but in terms of the strength of the evidence to show that, i thought the times story just before the quote that you had was significant because it shows knowledge of both men, cohen and trump, of what ami is doing with playmate mcdougal. he says, should we buy her story directly or should we buy it from ami? and then the question is should we pay in the check or should we do it by cash, and he's encouraging cohen. trump is encouraging cohen to do it by check, which strikes me as bizarre. and you have to wonder if this was also a pattern to reimburse ami for what they'd already done. >> you're talking about the national inquirer parent company and about whether there was an illicit plot to misuse or abuse

that media company to secretly try to buy people off and bury their story. and that's a legal no-no, to use a legal term. we spoke to mcdougal's lawyer about this. take a listen to what he's been saying. a lot of different reporters have been working different angles of the story on what does look very shady. take a listen. was the national inquirer acting as an arm of donald trump and michael cohen? and is there something wrong with that in. >> we strongly suspect they were. if the lawsuit continued we would have been able to prove it. >> john? >> here's the thing about the abuse, i think what we have is we have a long-standing relationship which has been well reported between ami, mr. pecker, and mr. trump in which they have helped each other from time to time. and both favoring mr. trump and killing other stories. what they do with the mcdougal

story is they paid her $150,000 and killed the story and tried to tie her down with that contract. presumably they said this story was going to run. you don't pay $150,000 for a dog and then they didn't run it. and the only person who profits from that is candidate trump. they did that in august. so these conversation in september, only a month later seemed to fit naturally with an ongoing scheme. should we pay her directly? should we buy the rights to the story from ami and the inquirer? that shows the continuing knowledge of what was going on. >> and it may speak to point michael cohen may have some inkling he had exposure on this. if he kept it a secret from donald trump he wasn't making the tape for donald trump. was it because he thought he had the presence of mind there might be something shady that might backfire on him?

megan? >> i think there are certain things we don't know, but that certainly raises the question of what was the motivation to secretly tape the president on that issue at that time? i mean this is the thing about tapes, right? tapes don't lie. you can have disputes about a conversation you had back in 2016 with a he said, she said, he said, he said. but, you know, tapes don't lie. and i think it's very significant -- that's a huge significance of this tape. >> liz, the scale doesn't lie, the tapes don't lie either and this is why michael cohen may have made it. i want to bring in jay goldberg who was donald trump's exclusive chief litigator. jay, i always appreciate you making time to come on "the beat." did you ever secretly record donald trump without his knowledge as a lawyer or is that something only michael cohen did? >> i don't think that's unique

to michael cohen. it's not unique to a wrongdoer who's in a relationship with somebody who might be viewed as a coconspirator. >> did you call him a launderer? what word did you use? uteak unique to a what? >> to a coconspirator. if somebody is doing something wrongful, then they might be concerned about their own position, and they'll tape record it to see if can be used later onto win the cooperation of the government. >> do you think -- you're saying something so powerful, jay, i want to make sure we're hearing you right. are you saying you think michael cohen viewed himself as having exposure as a coconspirator at that time? >> yes, absolutely. i might point out that when i represented donald actively he

referred david pecker to me. so the relationship between the inquirer and trump is extremely close. but make no mistake, michael cohen was concerned about his own position. he wanted to stay in the good graces of trump because trump was essentially his only client, but he had the presence of mind to know that he was treading on shaky ground, and he had to have something that he could sell to a prosecutor should the matter explode. >> do you think david pecker who oversees this media empire, do you think he has any potential exposure for doing things that weren't really under his obligations to that company but really some sort of scheme or plot? >> i think he has some fudishiary duty to shareholders

and he too has exposure. but i'm concerned about michael cohen. if you spend five minutes with michael cohen you know he's not strong. he's weak. it's odd to say this but when he said he would stand up for the president, i knew from talking with him for less than five minutes that he was sufficiently weak, that he would cave in with respect to any wrongdoing. >> what do you mean by weak, though? do you mean he would tell the truth about his history or he would be intimidated by prosecutors? >> he could be counted onto protect the person who's paying him. very few people who face the prospect of jail stand up. in fact, it's difficult for me to recall any instance over decades of practice where somebody has stood up and taken

it -- >> let me press you for a moment, jay. i understand the point you're raising, but if the facts that he provides to the federal investigators are not negative or incriminating to donald trump then it doesn't matter whether he's weak or strong, right? >> well, the prosecutor makes a judgment as to whether the person is telling the truth negatively or positively, the idea is to win the affection, if you will, of the prosecutor. and if the prosecutor feels that you're telling the truth or albite not measuring up to criminal activity on the part of the target, you still have the cooperation of the prosecutor. >> let me bring in another former prosecutor, colleague of sorts of yours, john flannery. your reaction. >> my reaction is you're being a little gentle about what's going on here. it's very suspicious since cohen shared this tape with trump, when they were going through the

tapes. and since it's not clear that the government has a green light to disclose it, and i don't think they would, there are only two real possibilities of disclosing this tape. one is cohen and the other is trump. and lanny davis is a skilled -- i don't know -- skilled publicists, shall we say. and it feels like lanny may have hypothetically have been responsible for the cohen tape being revealed to show cohen had something worthwhile. and rudy giuliani perhaps should have remained silent because basically it's an inkulpatory document, it does not exculpate trump. another blemish on giuliani's to explain how expulpatory this document is and the timing doesn't matter. when it's very close to pay off in august, that they're in september talking about handling

the money. >> i'm out of time, jay, but i'll give you the final word briefly. go ahmed. >> giuliani has not been helpful to trump. but then he says that michael cohen can be counted onto tell the truth. and that's an exact quote from the statement that he makes. and it's in trump's interest to impute negative hostility to his testimony with respect to any wrongdoing on a part trump. and for trump's lawyer to say that he's somebody could be counted on to tell the truth is not in trump's interest. and yet that's exactly what he said, and that'll come back to haunt trump during the investigation and prosecution of any -- >> i got to fit in a break because we're going 18 minutes here and also i'm waiting on

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michael cohen's secret recording of trump discussing payments to a former playboy model months before the election has call into question all kinds of accusations the president has previously denied including those are of interest to investigators both on the mueller side and in congress. now we are getting closer to what many people remember from watergate, a moment when a white house aide revealed for the first time to the congress there was a taping system in the white house. >> mr. butterfield, are you aware of the installation of any listening devices in the oval office of the president? >> i was aware of listening devices, yes, sir. >> i'm joined now by new york

congressman, the top democrat on the house judagsiary committee. what does it mean to see leaks about these tapes, and are they of interest to the congress? >> well, they be of interest to congress. we'll have to see. you put this into context of what's going on now, the walls are closing in on the president. the mueller investigation has come up with 35 indictments including very detailed indictments of how the russians hacked into our systems, how they interfered in our elections. the president denies the obvious. the president sides with the russians in their denial against his own intelligence people. refuses to protect our current elections from an ongoing threat that most intelligence people say it an ongoing threat from the russians. and yet we see -- and sork straights a campaign of slander

by his people and republicans in congress to discredit the special counsel and the investigation so people won't believe the report whenever it comes out. and yet the special counsel from whom we hear no leaks, we just see the 35 indictments, the guilty pleas as is proper is apparently developing a very, very solid case of criminal conspiracy of the trump camp -- various people in the trump c campaign. maybe the president and russians subverting our laws. these tapes may be evidence of the president being involved in a criminal conspiracy to hide evidence of campaign finance violations or worse. i think they're flailing out in different directions because they see the walls closing in. >> let me ask you this -- if michael cohen ever did things that relate to bob mueller's

core portfolio and mandate, the collusion issues, do you think this type of news makes it more or less likely from an investigative perative that he taped those conversations? >> well, if one is taping conversations with your client or if it's proper to call them a client when michael cohen is really a fixer, not a lawyer. if you're taping conversations with hill on one thing i don't see it's probably not laogical you taped him on other things. >> take a listen to donny douch, and as you can see michael cohen knows a lot of people and he keeps telling everyone things that make it seem like he's getting ready to cooperate. >> i believe at the end of the day michael cohen is going to do it, and i've said this before, what you would do, what i would do, to do what's best for him and his family.

i think whatever comes out involving michael will have to do with what some stormy daniels things, possibly, perhaps there'll be some missing links to solve the problem with russia. >> are we seeing kind of aer ki of rollout that lands with him testifying, and if so do you find a way to get him in front of the congress if dems retake the mid-terms? >> i suspect we are going to see that -- as to whether we ask for testimony, i think we would wait until the criminal investigations are over. we would be careful not to interfere with the ongoing criminal investigation. we would either do it in such a way as not to interfere or if we couldn't figure that out, we wouldn't ask for those tapes.

but again because this investigation is very important, we have to find out who was involved in conspiracy with the russians to undermine our elections, which is the basic crime here. and again, you just saw the president siding with the russians. against our own intelligence people -- his own intelligence appointees in order to cover up a plot to subvert our election and an ongoing plot. so we can't trust the president to safeguard the interests of the country. the special prosecutor and hopefully the democratic congress will have to do it. because certainly the republicans in congress are aiding and abetting in a cover up and maybe aiding and abetting in ongoing obstruction of justice. >> we heard from jay goldberg, the president's former lawyer before, and now hearing from you as a democrat in congress. and up next what would michael avenatti think about all this, and it did it match his

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i'm back with michael avenatti, attorney for stormy daniels. you made this prediction, you were proven right. how did you know it then there was a tape and what does it mean tonight? >> well, good evening, ari. you know there's not just one

tape. there's multiple tapes, and, you know, i think ultimately when all of these tapes come out it's going to be problematic for michael cohen and the president. i called for their release back in late may. we're calling for their release now. i agree with one of our guests in the assessment that this clearly came from michael cohen's camp. and i think it's the last flare gun, if you will, in a long list of flare guns, shots, if you will, aimed at getting donald trump's attention and telling him that the shoe is about to drop unless he brings michael cohen into the tent -- to mix metaphors. >> and that makes sense. we've definitely seen that interpretation. the other theory that i'll ask you about is donald trump had perhaps the worst week in his presidency given the credible accusations that impugn the rather bizarre display in helsinki as well as the ensuing things he said, unsaid and

resaid about vladimir putin. your response to that theory. >> i just don't buy it. look wrrz there's a series of tapes, more than one tape. that's why i called for the release back in late may of the tapes, plural, and not tapes singular. again, the clock is running out on mr. trump. and i think this is going to be very, very problematic. i mean this is the one guy -- michael cohen is the one guy who has more information on potential misdeeds of the president than anyone else, well, with the exception perhaps of vladimir putin. >> a big statement there but not one that is different from what some former intelligence officials have suggested in various ways. let me play for you, jay goldberg who represented trump before michael cohen, but they had a very similar role speaking moments ago on "the beat" and

calling cohen weak. >> if you spend five minutes with michael cohen, you know that he's not strong. he's weak. it's odd to say this, but when he said that he would stand up to the president, i knew from talking with him for less than five minutes that he was sufficiently weak, that he would cave in with respect to any wrongdoings. >> do you agree with that assessment? do you know why goldberg is saying that on television? >> i agree 100%. michael cohen is not a general. he's never been a general. he's a corporal. this is not a guy who was calling the shots. this goes to show you what i've been saying for a long time. michael cohen was not smart enough or tough enough to serve in the role he was put in with donald trump. donald trump is going to pay the price for that. and that is lack of judgment by

donald trump in the people he surrounds himself with. >> michael cohen retaining lanny davis in this role, a long time clinton aide and form white house council, lanny davis a huge critic of trump because he says he's a liarwho can't be trusted. now he of course is working with cohen which would suggest against trump. take a listen to mr. davis. >> i've never worked for a client that has lied to me or that i could trust not lying to me. that's the reason he can't find a great lawyer. it's because he has lied to the american people. we know that, but he's also lied to his own lawyers. and no lawyer will take a client who lies. >> are we seeing this new lanny davis chapter on behalf of cohen this week, and what do you think is holding them back moving forward to get a cooperation agreement or getting it done if that's the goal? >> well, i think a lot of things

may be happening behind the scenes here, ari, that aren't necessarily public or have not been disclosed yet. but i think you've seen a progression and i talked about the progression, where we've seen a drum beat from lanny davis to rehabilitate michael cohen and a series of flare gunshots aimed at mr. trump. i will say this and i have a lot of respect for lanny, i don't agree with lanny or don't believe him when he says he's never had a client lie to him in the history of his law practice. i would be surprised if that were the case. i think this been consist with what we've seen as it relates to sending a warning message to the president. i think michael cohen has been placed on an island. i've said this in the past, i think it was a grave mistake by the president. if there was anyone that the president should have been looking out after, mean he's clearly looking out after vladimir putin, we know that, right? he's even inviting him to the

white house. he should have been inviting michael cohen to the white house a long time ago. >> cohen retaining davis also shows he's looking for a tough lawyer willing to take on trump. you were probably known as the number one person in that category. would you ever consider representing michael cohen in anyway, and have you ever discussed it with him? >> well, i'm not going to get into discussing what i may have not discussed with michael cohen. and i'm not going to speculate -- i'm not going to say no as it relates to potentially representing michael cohen. >> you would not rule out representing your civil adversary in the other proceeding, you would not rule out trying to represent michael cohen in this matter? >> if he were prepared to do the right thing and come clean and basically turn state's evidence, i would absolutely consider it in an effort to disclose information and bring the truth to american people. >> prior to this television interview, is he aware of your willingness to do that? >> i'm not going to answer that

question. >> does that mean it's likely yes, because if it were no you could say no you had never discussed it with him? >> you were a very skilled questioner and very smart lawyer, and you know i've always -- >> it seems you're implying this is something that's not news to him through this interview but something that may have been discussed is what i'm getting. >> well, you can draw your own conclusions. i've recently had occasion in the last few days by sheer happenstance to run into michael cohen at a restaurant i've been going to for 15 years in new york. and by sheer happenstance we happened to be seated about 6 feet apart from one another. and during that run in michael cohen and i actually had a chance to converse. and we said what i'll describe as a very positive meeting. and i came away from that meeting -- i came away from that meeting very encouraged by ultimately how all of this may work out.

we're going to see what happens. >> you feel encouraged based on your rant face-to-face with michael cohen, his retaining lanny davis sends a message as a hillary person. do you think as a hypothetical retaining you would send an even bigger message to donald trump? >> oh, i think it would send quite the message and i think it would advance the cause of it american people as it relates to finding the truth 100%. >> michael avenatti, you have said many things that have been borne out here. you could have been anywhere in the world. you're here with us. i appreciate it. >> thank you. and remember flattery will get you nowhere. mueller's team now wants to hear from this so-called manhattan madam who boasted of providing sex workers to new york's rich and famous and has a link to roger stone. that's coming up.

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there is more. we've been reporting on michael cohen and his tapes back in the news, which could be a dangerous combination for donald trump. mueller investigating cohen's purported secret trip to prague during trump's presidential campaign. he's denied it. that of course relates to the famous dossier. cohen playing a key role to those attempts to build the trump tower in moskow and alleged of trying to setup an alleged back channel to ukraine. now there's this news breaking today. mueller looking subpoena the so-called manhattan madam, kristen davis. you may remember her from the l.a. spitser prostitution scandal the governor of new york brought down in 2008. she told nbc today she doesn't have anything on russian collusion and says this all out of the blue and also quote very

upsetting. i'm joined by a former federal prosecutor and kim whaly. thanks to both of you. what would mueller be looking from here with mr. davis? >> they had connections with the russian hacker with the most recent indictments against russian operatives. if she had a close relationship to mr. stone then it would make sense he would want to talk to her, to confirm or deny the other piece of information that they have. i was also in the white water investigation. it was interesting, a much smaller thing than what we're seeing right now. but what happens behind the scenes is very, very different than what's public. >> and howard, you have reported on roger stone for some time indeluding this show. what are you learning tonight?

>> well, i texted with roger stone a little while ago, and he sent me a reply in which he described this as harassment. he said and i can read it if you want. >> sure. i think we have a version of it. >> he said have you lost your sense of humor? that was his opening to me. kristen davis has been a friend of mine and has worked on and off for me for ten years. she's a brilliant woman who has remade her life. i am the godfather to her son. she is currently in the cosmetology business. she has no knowledge of russian collusion during the 2016 election. i cannot imagine why the special counsel wants to interview her other than for purposes of harassment. now, i followed up by saying harassment of who? you know, you or her or both? and he said both. i would describe the interest in kristen davis as a subsqueeze.

he could call it harassment and certainly from his point of view he may view it that way because he is close to her personally. but what the mueller people are looking for are people who knew what roger stone knew. and roger has said a variety of things about what he knew about guccifer, what was going on in russia and the campaign. and the mueller people are obviously trying to pin him from the outside in if they can. >> right, i think you're reporting rau reporting roger's rebuttal and kim's context all serve not to infer anything negative about them in all fairness. and yet we're seeing these grinding gears go on in a way that obviously swirls around stone. kim, the other big news relatively unusual beyond the cohen tapes is mr. avenatti who has a track record of predicting certain things, telling me this just moments ago. take a look. >> i'm not going to get into discussing what i may or may not

have discussed with michael cohen. and i'm not going to say no as it relates to potentially representing michael cohen. >> you would not rule out representing your civil adversary in the other proceeding. you would not rule out trying to represent michael cohen in this matter? >> if he was prepared to do the right thing and come clean and basically turn state's evidence i would absolutely consider it. >> kim, that would certainly be unusual and be a rocket at the white house. your reaction? >> well, it would also be a conflict of interest as an attorney. i think it's interesting somewhat what mr. avenatti is doing both with respect to his clients and his own personal career and his national reputation now. but the bigger issue really is what are the implications for our democratic process? i think this is the drain -- the trump administration is somewhat circling the drain here on many different levels and the question is going to be is how is this going to turn out? congress is doing nothing. there's real questions whether the mueller investigation can

produce indictments at the highest levels of office, and the american people are deeply divided here. and i think the message has to be how is this going to resolve in a way that minimizes the trauma on the american populus as well as our democratic system. >> the great defense lawyer here in washington used to say he didn't represent a client, he represented the situation. michael avenatti is the closest thing to representing the situation. what's going on here is that all the people around donald trump who are worried about going to jail may be the situation, and they need coordination. even if michael avenatti ends up not representing michael cohen in anyway i can assure you that the coordination is growing among all the people who are worried about going to jail and that's bad news for donald trump. >> and ringing the alarm and feel donald trump hasn't been as loyal to them as once were, and

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his worked on hits by the fab boys, and his son and a rapper and his company track phone mobile. the thank you for doing it. and who needs to fall back? >> well, fall back, i was thinking about this ihop. the president of ihop needs to fall back. i just found out this whole changing the name to ihob international house of burgers was a plow just to get people to complain about it. it's just for press and media and to get more exposure for ipop. they recently changed back to ihop. it's no longer ihob. >> so we all got kind of played? >> we all got played and they need to fall back. >> kurtis, who needs to fall

back? >> we heard this story about a guy who took a guy out on a date, wound up stealing her car and ending up taking another girl on a date and then got caught and went to jail. >> that's audacious. >> you got to fall back, bro. that's crazy. >> i heard of stealing lines, but stealing a whole car for the day. >> that's crazy. >> that's not good. i'll do one of the week that everyone has been thinking about. i'll just tell vladimir putin to fall back. stop messing with the elections as charged and as evidence has said and stop working over our president. i mean at times it's disturbing and at times a little embar embarrassing. >> right, right. i meant to say wouldn't. >> the double negative. there's a saying this week i wish you would. no one ever says i wish you wouldn't, and it takes a day later to come back i meant would

not wouldn't. >> we wanted to do one together like father and son. >> the generation gap in hip hop. it was like the old guys talking about the young guys. young guys talking about the old guys. man, let's be all love, lyrics, rap, have one big party. all love. >> fall back on the hate. fall back on the hate between the generations because there is a generation gap. and i want to show support to all the young rappers out there coming up. the world is yours. do your thing. this is an awesome, awesome culture. we have hip hop $6.5 billion a year, and it's all yours. the future is yours, guys. so go for it, get the money. >> and my man, drake, too. >> well, drake has become controversial. >> he's number one, 10 billion

streams i think he just hit. >> we have rock and roll and the grateful dead, and it seems like in all music this is generational thing that happens where my father would say he didn't feel hip hop was music the way the '70s era was music. >> everybody has those stories where grandma or mom is in the background, turn that music down. so that's it. you know, but the only way we're going to bridge this gap is through love. so each party, each section, all of my peers, all of my fellas i'm telling them to stop hating on the young kids. give them inspiration, show them love, that they can do this, too. >> and the respect has to be both ways. you have some of the rappers hating. and the love has to be mutual, but we can learn a lot from the older generation. the hap you're saying says i love hip hop, that happens to be

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