tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC September 14, 2018 12:00am-1:00am PDT
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live coverage of hurricane florence. now a category 1 storm and battering the carolina coast. the latest update from the national hurricane center shows the storm packing the 90 miles per hour winds bringing heavy rain and a powerful storm surge with it. the painfully slow assault is under way. 181,000 power outages reported so far. by duke energy. that number predicted to rise into the millions. o storm surge of ten feet reported and the flooding has begun.
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with florence moving slowly and stalling the surge will be a bigger problem than normal. because as one expert put it the water just keeps piling up. we have reporters in places up and down the coast. the winds keep coming and the rain keeps falling and millions continue to brace for the worse. hello, everyone it's 3:00 on the east coast. we have a busy hour ahead. we start with the situation in north carolina. brad johnson in wilmington. they started getting hit with hurricane force winds just after midnight. how's it feeling there now and how does it compare? do you find major changes from the last hour? >> the strongest bands that we have seen come through wilmington. it has been an extremely fickle storm as you know. thinking that a cat 4 was probably coming on shore. to a 3 to a 2 and it started
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crawling to a one. in wilmington woef seen some of the strongest bands where it looked like the power was going to ramp up and that would dispate. it's closer to the on shore with the eye we're getting strong wind bands. not a lot of rain. power outages have been a problem throughout. through many of the live shots tonight. we have seen transformers blow and lose power and change position. now the wind continues to swirl as it comes on shore. and we're still waiting to see what kind of water surge we're going to get. >> give us a sense of where you are. where's the water from where you are. >> we're probably just three miles away from the cause way that takes you into rights ville beach. the beach that was closed and
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evacuated wednesday evening. many of those folks who have been through this before as the category got down played, decided to stay. many of them in rights ville beach and wilmington. waiting to see whether or not the storm would pass over. it's probably the water surge that will be most dangerous. if this storm stays and sits and spins, there was talk of up to 24 to 30 inches of water that could be in the area. they are hoping that disappears as the storm slows. >> we have see you're struggling a bit more than obviously you get the gusts of wind. if you feel like you need to stop and get so safety. please feel free to do that. we were hearing from some other folks there, we know about rescue and obviously some of the call centers are starting to get inundated. what are you hearing from officials and what's the
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reaction of people in wilmington. who especially the people who are still there. >> in new hanover county they sheltered over 500 people. there haven't been a will the of rescue calls. because as i said the storm has been so fickle. wilmington really hasn't caught the brunt of the storm. at this point. these are the strongest bands that have come through. power outages have been random and the water hasn't come up like they anticipated it would by this time. still by land fall by the way the storm is crawling in at five miles per hour. it's still the eye couldn't make land fall potentially by the way the storm continue to go. even by noon today. we're waiting to see. there haven't been a lot of disaster calls in the area. which cross our fingers will continue. >> let's hope it stays that way. stay safe out there. thank you for that.
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elsewhere in wilmington we have been following along with cal perry. in a car driving around to see what he can see. we saw a couple of times brad almost got bloun away. how is it in the car? >> this is sort of the first time we have felt the hurricane force winds. sustained and when you talk about people needing to get out of the areas it's because you're not going to get any help or see any of the officials out and ant once you reach 50, 55 miles per hour wind. which is what we're seeing here. your worried about the sign will show you. debris and floding. as we have been driving up and down parallel to the inner coastal water way what we have noticed is you can be a mile two miles inland and you're not more than 15 or 20 feet in elevation. so much of what we're worried
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about here is as this rain continues as this storm really grinds to almost a walk down the coast, it's going to hover for 48 hours and inundate this area of north carolina and you'll have not only the flooding from the storm surge. flooding from the rain and the damage that may have been caused on a thursday night. not getting look at until saturday night. you're talking 48 or 72 hours of sustained hurricane force winds. which is really going to prevent people from getting out and about and looking at the damage. >> it's hard to tell. how much water is there on the road? >> the water on the road is okay where we are now. we're on a two way highway. we have had to cut down the things that we're able to do here. we're staying off the residential roads there's water onto the resident shl roads. we're staying inland.
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away from the coast. people from the area will notice, you have the barrier islands and bridges to the islands from the mainland. and that's where all the police check points are. those roads have been shut down for 12 hours. the residential areas in and around where we are now sort of southern end of wilmington. have become inaccessible chblt part is of course the trees haven't been trimmed. you have this debris. we were in a neighborhood five minutes ago it was like a blender. we sort of decided that's it we're done. in two hours looking at the predictions of the wind we'll have to shut it down on this road as well. 70 miles per hour it's not safe to be out. >> take care. keep us posted. we appreciate it. let's go to meteorologist who got a whole hour off. i'm sure you had a very steep nap. >> there's a couch with a face imprint in it somewhere in the
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building. >> we're in the position every hour. we're at 2:00 a.m., 5:00 p.m. 5:00 p.m. is the new path. and then through 8:00 a.m. we'll get the intermediate. regular updates if there's big changes. we're close to the coast. the thing i notice is i took my quick break. this is still stalled out. it's not moving. the center i sat in the same exact spot for the last hour. hour and a half. hasn't moved much. >> how unusual is that? >> we knew it was -- it's doing as expected. we were hoping at least maybe it could continue forward speed. make the land fall ask weaken over land. it could loop or drift. or stall out for a short period of time. that's what it's done over two hours. it's making some progress.
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if you look at the western edge. everyone in wilmington is wondering where it hasn't everyone rained yet. we haven't seen the bands make much progress passed the wilmington area. we're waiting. it will come. people in myrtle beach haven't had rain at all. it will get there. the weak side of the storm. the storm drifts and sits here's the issue. our friends up here have taken it on the chin. we know what's happening in the new burn area. the water ve mains high. we past high tide. these bands this is the strong side of the storm. are pounding the beaches here and all the water is piling up. heading towards the low tide thankfully. the water isn't as high as fwofs hours ago. this is the area we're concerned with. as we go throughout the ten to noon high tide. we know that we had a record high tide in areas.
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that occurred about 7.2 feet. the old record was hazel in 1954. at 6.94. water never been seen before in recorded history and the next high tide will be worse. water is already in homes and businesses. near more head city. and the water will get higher. especially when you look at the radar. we have had a foot of rain in the area. with the radar presentation like that we can get another foot in the next 12 hours. winds are maybe a tenth maybe two tenths of the story. the rainfall is going to be about maybe the other 40% and the surge. 50% of the puzzle. if you haven't lost power you will with wind gusts like this. we lost the gauge in the new burn area. certain point some of the wind gauges just fail on us.
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and look at this out here near the eye. 96 miles per hour wind gusts. wilmington 71 miles per hour winds. notice furtd to the south not much. just about 40 miles per hour range. there's the radar. the stall. we plot the points every hour. these storms zigzag a bit. and wobble. wobble to the north. and we get to this point here and it sits there for the last hour. hour and a half. we'll wait it will eventually continue to move to the west. it will take its sweet time. here's the still image. the heavy bands are on the far north side and the band coming up here. towards atlantic beach. that's serious stuff. >> can i stop you. i'm being told amber parker is back on the phone. from new burn emergency management. there's more rescue going on?
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>> we have our fire rescue team out there trying to save people from homes and vehicles. >> amber, now we heard reports from the more head city mayor there were people on rooftops. is that situation similar to where you are? or people have stranded in their homes with water surrounding. >> it's alyle bit of both. we have reports of people on rooftops and people in attics. people in their homes and water coming into the house. it's a different level of water. and reports of water breeching vehicles. >> how many people do you have out there. what's the size of the crew you have actually deployed? >> i don't know exactly how many people are on the crew. we have our swift water rescue for and we have two additional crews. that are expected to come into craven county. >> based on the forecast and do
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you have a sense is there a point that's coming up it will be too dangerous for those crews to continue to go out and do the rescues? >> it's already too dangerous. in some areas. we look at things such as the amount of water the speed of the water. the wind. downed trees and electrical issues. really they're out there getting to everyone they can. >> give us a sense, are we talking handful of calls. a dozen. a hundred? what's the wait list. >> just in the craven county center we have logged over 90 calls for assistance. so far. >> how many rescues? >> i don't have information on the rescues. we're in rescue and response mode. and the reports haven't been sent my way. >> once the rescues take place where are the folks taken? >> we have a number of shelters. we have five shelters in craven
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county. some were at capacity earlier. we are going passed that. we're in the point where we have to find somewhere safe for people to go. and it's beyond a comfort measure at this point. and making sure everyone has a safe place. we are looking at additional centers. >> do you have a sense of the numbers in the five shelters? >> we have 839 as of the 1:00 a.m. county. and 107 individuals that we transported to a shelter. >> as you go throughout the morning, are you confined to are you okay with using your own resources or reached out to the state or coast guard? >> we have resources from all over deployed here. we have had swift water rescue teams coming into town. from out of state. we have national guard. and also private citizens wanting to help. of course we're urging people to not put themselves at risk or in
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danger. if they're not trained. >> i'm guessing with the wind conditions there's no helicopter rescue. >> no. >> have you had a chance to talk to the folks who have gone ot rescues? >> i have not. >> they're working hard. >> we'd love to talk to you again. i know that when you have a chance you will call back. our thoughts again are with them. thank you. we very much appreciate the update. >> thank you. >> obviously they're concerned about the lives. that's number one. you were talking about power outages about 181,000. and earlier today the congressman who represents the wilmington area was saying there could be people who don't have power until next month. sometime in october. he was predicting. anything since the storm since that time that's got from a two to one that indicate maybe the amount in the severity of the
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outag outages might not be as bad? >> maybe if the wind is less. maybe less trees. the biggest issue is the water. there's power crews that will want to get to work from other states that want to help. if you can't drive through a river to get there. if everything is flooded. it doesn't help. i want to explain. it is confusing. the new burn area is 30, 40 miles inland. why is this so unique, why is the area of the greatest concern. it has to do with the way the rivers are and set up. this body of water here. the noose river kind of sneaks in like this. up through the area and goes like this. the water flows from the north
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to the south. and flows out into the soupd. the wind through the last 24 hours was coming out of the northeast. so all this water was not able to flow out. at the same time the strong northeast winds were pushing the water up the river. and the noose river and the trent river and into the sound. it was a recipe for disaster with the way the wind set up. we're focusing on new burn. there's other small communities. it's the biggest city in the area. the river bend area. same situation. and areas and the tributaries. i'm sure are equally as bad. that has been the story of this point. and now from here, we're going to watch the rainfall totals add up. that will cause flooding on the rivers throughout the next 24 to 36 hours. we'll have major to record and
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hearing about houses and communities needing evacuations inland. because of the flooding. and the high tide this morning. 10:00 a.m. to noon. is going to be the first time we get the storm surge at the beaches that is of significance. that could reach houses and structures. i was most concerned with the inland flooding. people that are inland feel safer. they haven't had a storm like this. they're like i live 40 miles from the beach. why do i need to evacuate. obviously they have 90 logged calls already and people on rooftops. those people got caught. lives could be taken. with water this high. and people climbing through the second floor into the attic. it gets scary. >> we can't say enough about the crews that go out and put their lives on the line. to do the rescues. we will get back to you. we have a lot more live
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coverage. of hurricane florence. battering the north carolina coast. cutting power to tens of thois of people already. we'll go back to the situation in wilmington, north carolina. but first, a warning from north carolina governor. >> my message today, don't relax. don't get complacent. stay on guard. this is a powerful storm. that can kill. today, the threat becomes reality.
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hurricane florence already inundated coastal streets with ocean water leaving tens of thousands without power. catastrophic fresh water flooding is expected over portions of the carolinas and as always in place to help is the red cross. joining us now spokesperson for the american red cross. i understand that 6,700 people were in your shelters last night. is that the number that you have and tell us what is going on with the red cross right now. >> thanks for having us on. we have an estimated 6,700 people staying in shelters last night. certainly that number will go up. and the way the red cross works
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ss we take a count every night at midnight. a few hours ago our volunteers were out counting the number of people seeking shelter at one of the 130 locations. throughout the east coast here. and we should have that number updated again sometime early to mid-morning. >> 130 locations. how many states and volunteers do you have? >> well we're prepared to respond to multiple states. up to eleven. where we have people prepositioned. a work frs of 1,500. spread throughout. and the concentration is in south carolina and north carolina. and virginia. that's where we're seeing the greatest impact. and where the shelters are. i'm one of the thousands of people who are here. to support the people and in the region. and we're so thankful of those who sought refuge already in a
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shelter. and evacuation centers. and it breaks my heart to hear the stories about what's happening in new burn and the people now seeking help to evacuate. i really hope for pause here. and the people where she hasn't quite reached them. if you know you're in the path, use this as a cautionary tale. and take the opportunity you have a chance to get to a safe location. >> there can be no more vivid warning than knowing there are people on the rooftop. just hoping and praying that someone can get to them. and rescue them. thank you so much. and thank you as always for all the great work that the red cross does in the situations. much appreciated. >> thank you. >> also some trees already down in new port, north carolina. demonstrating the destructive power that hurricane florence is caused in the carolinas. we have raw night video that
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shows the flooding. you mention we heard from betsy about new burn, north carolina. the after math. do we have that video? we haven't been able to pull that. hurricane florence now a category 1. still packing the serious punch. we're on radio island and has a firsthand look from the ground. >> it is treacherous out here. we have moved locations. i'm using a building as a wind block. it is extremely windy. we're talking about wind gusts well above what we were seeing earlier about 60, 70 miles per hour. this is an area that's starting to see the tide rise again. we'll get high tide at 11:00. when that rises we're expecting to see a very tremendous storm surge. that could be catastrophic. to some of the areas.
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just across the bay there, and they have started to see flooding in the streets. we know the storm surge has come up and surrounded houses and worked its way through the stilts and encroaching on the houses. tonight unfortunately the power has been cut. or has been lost. where we are it looks like across the bay. we don't see any lights. we're not sure what the power situation is. over there. you can see the situation is getting critical out here. the wind are not going allow first responders fo go out and save anybody. at this point it's about hunkering down where ever you can find safety. this is what we'll see sweep through the north and south carolina. in the next few hours. >> i want to point out that's what he has done. gotten himself to safety. that was several hours ago last night. it gives you a sense of what's coming for a lot of the folks.
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and how dangerous it can be out there. we thank him for that reporting. we'll check back in with meteorologist. and our folks in myrtle beach. and here's a warning from south carolina governor about hurricane florence. >> this is still a very dangerous storm. not only on the coast, but also in the interior of the state. and the very unusual part is going to last for two days.
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we're all batting down. everybody brought the furniture in. everyone feels safe. and i also think that about 75% of the residents in the area are staying. >> i know more people staying than people who left. i'm not the only one who has financial reasons. i have medical reasons. i'm not leaving. >> my brother and i own a restaurant. here in town. we have to safe forward that. and protect inventory. >> so those were some folks with my colleague. he's been down there. saying we decided we're staying. we heard from copper earlier on. he said look, the worst is yet to come. warning to people. >> yeah. we don't know what the river flooding will look like and the storm surge. after as it makes land fall. >> how many times have you said
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you can replace stuff, you can't bring back people. >> no. and people have a lot of reasons. people have done studies on why people don't leave. and a lot is financial. it's hard. they don't have the means to do it. or don't want to leave pets. they want to stay behind. it's difficult if you don't have a place to go. hotels won't take them. there's medical reasons. >> as that young woman said. >> i'll take you through what's going to happen over the next 24 hours. what we're going to expect. we have the tornado watch and the heavy rain. we have the wind the power is out. so people are wondering what's going to happen next. this is the future radar. the short range model throughout the next 48 hours. it shows you the band of rain. and where the center is.
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i'll fast forward here. let's go to the land fall. this computer model is telling us. 10:00 a.m. this morning. remember the center of the eye has to cross the coast. for them to call the land fall from the hurricane center. it looks like approximately by this model 10 to 11:00 a.m. daylight hours. at the same time we have the bands of torrential rain over areas of the outer banks. eastern north carolina and still pretty light. lt backside of the storm doesn't have a lot of rain. it's typical. not expecting a lot of rain problems today in south carolina. let's fast forward 10:00 p.m. center getting near the border of south carolina and north carolina. myrtle beach gets into the strong rain bands and set up the rain fetches coming in off the water here. between wilmington and jacksonville. we watch this that's so p.m. tonight. 10:00 p.m. tonight. let's go to 10:00 p.m. saturday.
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torrential rain to wilmington to jacksonville. and starting to get fayette ville too. raining as the storm moves and weakens. down around myrtle beach. and let's go to 10:00 p.m. saturday. notice that fetch of heavy rain shows signs of seventying up and stalling over the wilmington area. to fayette ville. this computer model is saying the greatest flood risk as far as the rivers and fresh water flooding will be in this area. from wilmington to fayette ville. that same computer. this a si dishl rainfall. additional rainfall. sunday p.m. we could be adding another six to 12 in some cases maybe 20 inches of rain in the area. that's going to be the story. throughout the remainders of the storm. it will be such a slow -- thinking we're talking in going to reporters saturday evening.
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that's 36 to 40 hours from now. >> yeah. one of the things when people go and smart and go to shelters and friends. and can't wait to get back into their homes. this won't be one where you're home tomorrow. >> we know we'll get homes with water in them. people won't have homes destroyed. it won't be a case where people come back from fires. and roofs ripped off. there will be damage. most people should be able to get back and assess the damage. water damage obviously. you have saw what happened with harvey. the roadside trash piles up to the -- >> yeah. >> i can remember in new orleans. after a very significant storm. we got into a hotel. ten days after. and in the closet you could see what was climbing up the walls. it was not -- >> it doesn't take long for the
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mold to set in. usually the flooding like that, in the homes. we know we have in craven county and new burn. people will get in there and told to gut it as fast as you can. >> thank you so much. we want to go to myrtle beach. we have been checking in with tammy. the conditions have been sort of up and down on and off. what are you seeing? >> the winds kicking up. no rain at all. one thing i want to point out they cannot enforce this mandatory evacuate. they can enforce the curfew. they have been doing that. cops patrol the streets. streets have been vacant with the exception of the police. really for the protection of everyone. as this hurricane downgraded from a 3 to 2. to a one. i think everybody is guard here in myrtle beach really dropped.
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because you can see the winds aren't up too much. and the sun has been out. people have been walking around during the day. and so everybody lower their guard and they start to relax. the people that have stayed here and riding out the storm. but don't be fooled. within a matter of hours as you were talking about, things will start shifting here in myrtle beach. and as the winds shift. the rain will start coming skm it will start hitting here. >> thank you. >> we have talked about the dangers of the storm surge. if you're having a hard time imagining just what that's like and how serious it is, watch this. this is from karl parker the weather channel. >> consider as this is happening it's being driven by the wind. there's a tremendous amount of wind. this is not still water. this is moving.
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it has flow. and power. by the time it gets it two to fleet high. that flows vehicles. you have no chance of escaping by vehicle. six feet. large areas where there will be storm surge flooding of six feet. in eastern parts of north carolina. that level it is life threatening. you have no chance of being able to survive that if. pets have no chance. then up to nine feet. take a look at this. this is unbelievable. the only way you can get out of this situation would be if you can evacuate. get to a second level. you might have a chance to be able to survive this level of storm surge flooding. this is what we're expecting along some parts of the coastline. with this tremendous storm. please, if local officials tell you to get out. you have to get out. >> terrifying stuff.
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>> that's why when you live near the coast or evacuation area. know your elevation. if it was a nine foot storm surge and you live at ten feet you're fine. one of the biggest things emergency manager struggle with. people that evacuate that shouldn't. or refuse to that should. knowing your elevation is crucial. the storm surge numbers when we're saying the max we'll say this morning is 7 to 11 feet. from the computer models. we know that where the high tide line is supposed to be on the beach. and you add seven to 11 feet. and the winds and wave action. that's how you figure out who needs to evacuate. emergency managers have the maps and the elevations. that's how they have the zones of evacuation. >> this computer illustration some people will look and say
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that's worst case. that's not going to happen. can that will we really see something that bad? six or nine feet. you have floating cars. and people's first floor covered. >> it depends on how low the elevation is. eastern north carolina is relatively flat. houston and even some of the below sea level. new orleans. a lot of eastern north carolina has a little bit of elevation. i don't think we'll see nine feet of water up to a rooftop. we'll see the houses the building codes are strict. they get a hurricane once every four years. the roofs have to be built a certain way. and inspected to pass inspection. they have to be on pilings. i'd say a nine to 7 to eleven foot storm surge in the area. most structures should survive.
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we shouldn't see many washed away. but if we get more than one or two high tide cycles. it could erode pilings and collapse. and get destroyed in the waves. it will be interesting to see how they survive this morning's high tide. it maybe a day or two until we know that. we have the we'll go through how bad was it. the power is out. we won't get the cell phone videos and images. our crews will drive around trying to get images and video. roads will be flooded. there's a blind spot after every storm begins until we really can get an appreciation of how bad it is. >> roads flood and block with debris. >> you're trying to collect data. but it's hard. >> you have to stay safe. >> thank you so much. we'll be live in wilmington,
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north carolina. coming up. residents have been bracing for more of a hit from florence. they already are feeling it strongly. the state governor urging everyone do not under estimate this storm. make no mistake. whether the eye makes land fall along our shores or for the south. we're on the wrong side of this thing. this storm will bring destruction. to north carolina.
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we're back live with the 46 past the hour. we want to check in on the situation in north carolina. where the leading edge of florence is bending trees sideways as winds pick up. so is the rain. let's go to in wilmington, north carolina. they started getting hit with hurricane force wind there just after midnight. brad, there was a point when we talked last hour it didn't look like you were going to be able to stand up right. what's going on in the last 45 minutes. >> we have kind of been in the stance for quite sometime. just moments before you threw to me, the winds started to die down. my guess is they will kick up in the time we're talking. we just recently spoke to the mayor out of new burn. saying they had this is an area
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that's just north of here. right next to the noose river. during these storms sometimes the communities that are nearest the rivers have the biggest problems. a lot o of the people in new burn were riding it out. they had 200 water rescues tonight because of the people who were stuck in areas because of the rivers over flowing. the water can creep up in some of the areas so quickly, that it can endanger people so quickly because they have no way to get out. here in wilmington the wait on that will be until morning. we're getting the brunt of the wind and the storm right now. still the eye hasn't come onto land. and may not come for several hours. after that point how long florence sits on land and drops water is what's going to be the biggest problem. >> i hesitate to ask you. sometimes when the wind starts whipping and maybe we'll get you
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back. brad? nope. we have lost brad. you can see just how powerful those wind are picking up and if you have ever been in a hurricane and out reporting in a hurricane. when that wind starts whipping that rain across your face it can feel like pinpricks or nails. going in. that's powerful stuff. we'll make sure brad is safe there. we thank him for that. is he okay? can you see him? >> we're good. can you see me? >> we got you back. how are you feeling out there? >> do you have a sense from your experience of how high those wind gusts are? >> we started when we started with you probably in an hour ago, we were just over 70 miles per hour. may guess is we're still -- deal
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with 140 miles per hour. so when you look at it that way. everything is good right now. we have seen through here is some of the fiberglass which i expect is from some of the roofing in the area. we're in a business park. we're behind a grocery store behind a sporting good store. and hiding in the best spot we can. i'm standing out in the area where there's kind of a tunnel you can feel the wind coming through. in this area as it has been in wilmington all night. the wind has been swirling. you can't anticipate where it's coming from. as we stand in and out it will slow for a moment and pick back up. that's what we'll have in the bands as this storm continues to try to make land fall. slowly. >> you don't have a wind gauge do you? >> i don't. that one got passed onto someone
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else. >> how long have you been working in wilmington. did you give us a sense of how this compares to past storms you might have been through? >> it's interesting that you ask the question. i have spent the last 26 years elsewhere. in an area that's never had a hurricane. this is my very first hurricane. i joined in april. and this is my first hurricane assignment. >> are you having second thoughts? >> i'm having zero second thoughts. this is something i always wanted to be a part of. this is kind of the grander of mother nature. if you will. although some people shake their heads and say why would you want to be out there. my wife might be one och those. we have so many people on the
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crew. some in 35 and 40 years through. who will walk you through what you're dealing with in a hurricane. i have been listening to the experience. we have gone through here. woel make it through. >> thanks to you. and your crew. we appreciate it. you take care out there. coming up we'll track this powerful storm. flooding parts of the carolinas and talk about where it's headed. the damage it's expected to bring. meteorologist will be back a after this.
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we are back live at 3:55 here on the east coast. a few things we have updated on. ongoing rescues as many as 90 people calling into one center. it's not clear how many of the folks have been rescued. some of them in attics and roofs. water rescues of people in cars. we'll continue to follow that. the latest number we got from the duke energy company was 181,000 people are without power right flou now. that could go to the millions. nearly 5 million people in the path of hurricane florence. could get ten inches of rain or more. this is a slow moving storm. we'll keep on it. all throughout today and tomorrow. and maybe several days beyond
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