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>> ned price, next time you're on, we'll give you more than 90 seconds. betsy, sahil, thank you both. it has been a a very busy 60 minutes. we're going to keep an eye on the president at havelock, north carolina. ali velshi and stephanie ruhle. >> it's been a very busy two years. >> hallie, we'll catch you later on during the day. good morning, i'm ali velshi. >> and i'm stephanie ruhle, it is wednesday, september 19th. let's get smarter. >> lawmakers invited judge brett kavanaugh and christine blasey ford to testify on capitol hill this monday. now ford is demanding the fbi investigate her allegation first. >> any talk of a hearing monday frankly is premature because she just came forward with these allegations 48 hours ago, and since that time she has been dealing with hate mail, harassment, death threats. >> absolutely it's the right move. the hearing questions need to have a frame, and investigation
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is the best frame for that. a neutral investigation that can pull together the facts, create a record so that the senators can draw on the information they receive to develop their question. >> it would seem that the fbi really doesn't do that. they've investigated about six times before, and it seems that they don't do that. it's very unfair, i think, to, as you know, justice kavanaugh has been treated very, very tough, and his family, i think it's a very unfair thing what's going on. so we'll see, but i do think this, they've given it a lot of time, and really it's up to the senate. i really want to see her. i really would want to see what she has to say, but i want to give it all the time they need. if she shows up, that would be wonderful. if she doesn't show up, that would be unfortunate. if she shows up and makes a
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credible showing, that will be very interesting, and we'll have to make a decision. i can only say this, he is such an outstanding man. very hard for me to imagine that anything happened. >> where i'm focused right now is doing everything that we can to make dr. ford comfortable with coming before our committee even in an open session or closed session or a public or a private interviews. that's four different ways she can choose to come. >> she can do it in private if she prefers, or publicly if she prefers. monday is her opportunity. >> if she does not want to come monday publicly or privately, we're going to move on and vote wednesday. >> this is primarily to hear her, so if she's not planning on attending, then i don't know what the point of going forward. >> it's not just something for the women in this country to care about, it's for all of us. that's why i've said to the man
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just shut up and step up. you know what, for the men who are offended by this, you should ask yourself, why are you offended by this? ask yourself, what about this offends you? we should all be holding together. we should all be treating each other like human beings. it's about time. >> lots of questions right now including what should the -- what should the fbi be doing in this? can they investigate, and if the woman accusing brett kavanaugh of sexually assaulting her in high school during the 1980s is going to appear before the senate judiciary committee. >> her name of course professor christine blasey ford, her attorney suggested the investigation as a precondition of professor ford's appearance at any hearing. but on monday the department of justice released a statement saying the fbi does not make any judgment about the credibility or the significance of any allegation. adding that the allegation does not involve any potential federal crime.
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now, the president and several republicans are using public statements to urge ford to appear. the president saying it would be, quote, unfortunate if she does not show up for the scheduled hearing on monday, and we do just have to point out, ali, there is precedent. george h.w. bush had the fbi look into things, investigate around anita hill and clarence thomas, and yes she was a federal employee. >> so the president can make that decision. he sort of implied that he knows he can do it. joining us now investigative reporter ken delaney and bill gar gairc gaven. lets get some clarity on this. the fbi is responsible for the background check into a supreme court nominee. obviously had this come up in that process, the fbi would have had some ability to look into it. tell me why the fbi's hands are or aren't tied here? >> well, i think we have to distinguish, ali, between two different kinds of inquiries by
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the fbi. one as you've said, is the background investigation. i guess probably six different times this has been done, and every single time they've presented the facts to the requesting agency, in this case it's to the white house and probably to the congress as well. what has to happen in this particular case is all of the background of judge kavanaugh is looked at in terms of former employers, employees, subordinates, bosses, neighbors, credits, criminal, all that is done and presented to the white house. the fbi in these cases makes no recommendation as to suitability or worthiness of the individual for the position for which they're being put forth. the other side of the coin is that everybody's calling for an investigation, and i think that probably they're leaning toward a criminal investigation to be conducted i tby the fbi. in this particular case, god
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knows my heart goes out for any woman who experiences any sexual abuse or any person, woman, child, vulnerable who experiences any sexual exploitati exploitation. let me say that first, but secondly, let me say that in this particular case the jurisdiction is not with the fbi. the jurisdiction is with the local police department. what can the fbi do? in this particular case, it's pretty old, you know, 35, 34 years old, 36 years old, whatever. there is -- everything that has to be said so far that we know has been said by dr. ford, she has said something occurred, and there is some understandably perhaps some confusion as to when, who, what, where. secondly, the candidate kavanaugh has said it didn't occur.
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thirdly, we have another individual. the fbi has no police report to go to or anything else because it just wasn't reported. that's not an indictment of dr. ford. things like that happen under these serious set of circumstances, so it's a very difficult set of circumstances and i don't think the bureau has jurisdiction at this particular point in time. >> it is surely difficult. ken, take us inside the fbi. what are your hearing from your sources because in the case that this is, a he said, she said, you know, people are immediately jumping to the, well, maybe she's asking for an investigation because she wants to delay things. maybe she's asking for an investigation so it's not just a he said, she said. even mark who's in the room? >> mark judge who's in the room, while he said it didn't happen, he's not willing to testify. >> yeah, stephanie, my sources are frankly presenting another view than the one you just heard from bill gavin is that the fbi could investigate this, not as a criminal matter but as part of
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their role background checking federal nominees, but they can only do that if the white house asks them to look into this allegation. and if the white house did ask them to do that, they would be perfectly capable of shedding some light on this. in fact, they have people who do nothing but interview sex crime victims. they have trained interrogators, and as you said there are witnesses in this case, mark judge, and there's another woman who's on twitter saying she was a classmate of dr. ford and that this incident was discussed. now, i asked the hill, and they said they don't know whether that's true or not. that's the kind of thing that the fbi could investigate. they could find people who knew these folks who were classmates. they could try to try ang late did this party occur, did people talk about this, even though yeah, it obviously was many, many years ago but the fbi is fully capable of at least shedding some light on this. the issue is the white house has not asked them to do that, and until that happens they can't do a thing. >> i guess the point of agreement here is if the president asked the fbi to do
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this, they -- maybe it's the fbi who has specialists who interview the sexual assault victims or maybe the fbi goes to the maryland state police and asks them to do things, but there is a mechanism by which the fbi can get involved or someone can investigate this? >> if, in fact, the white house asks the fbi to conduct additional background investigation, i'm sure that the fbi would do just that. but, again, since -- in this particular case, i don't believe the fbi would offer a recommendation for or against, they would simply present the facts. >> right. >> so that the facts could be explored by congress. >> yeah, but -- >> which may be all the people need, right? >> that's it. they don't think it's about a recommendation. i think those who are going to vote on the confirmation, they're the ones who are recommending, but it's about supporting evidence whether it's for christine ford or brett kavanaugh.
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ken, is there a statute of limitations in maryland? >> i don't believe on this crime, guys, and that's a really good point, question is whether it's possible that state authorities could open an investigation here. you know, as bill was saying, though, the facts are pretty sketchy. there's not much to go on, but, you know, there are potentially people who have heard about this. there's obviously this one person mark judge who's alleged to have been there. he says he doesn't remember it. there are people who could be interviewed under oath about this. >> all right, thanks very much for voing us ken delaney and bill gavin. thank you. >> it's almost like more than anything the process is so flawed here. >> yeah, yeah. now we want to bring in msnbc political -- excuse me capitol hill correspondent, our friend garrett haake. he spoke to senate judiciary committee chairman chuck grassley who has had a busy week just moments ago. what did he say? >> he would not engage on the question of whether the fbi should jump back into this and would not engage on whether this
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hearing would go forward on monday without dr. ford. he said in several different ways, as many ways as he possibly could, that his sole focus over the next couple of days is getting dr. ford comfortable with testifying in front of this committee in whatever format she would prefer. he said it could be an open hearing like we've seen thus far. it could be a closed door hearing. it could be an interview with staff. he's not particular, but he wants the membership on his committee to hear her side of the story, and he wants them to hear it on monday. i think ultimately that's going to be the sticking point here is this question about timing. we're still stuck in that same standoff. his efforts regarding kavanaugh will be entirely focused between now and the end of the week and getting dr. ford here on capitol hill on monday. >> garrett haake on capitol hill, we'll continue to follow that. >> and she hasn't refused to come to capitol hill. she just asked for the investigation first. we have breaking news, president trump he touched down just a few moments ago in north carolina to survey the damage from hurricane florence and the devastating flooding.
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flooding is he has ample opportunity. we've been spending the last three days up in the air flying in military helicopters, getting a sense for where the flooding is the worst, and the consistent message we're getting from all officials is the wind hasn't been as bad. there is some flooding, but it could get worse, and that's why in a lot of these briefings we keep hearing yes the response so far has been good, but we don't know what's going to happen in phase two. the president is there doing a little bit of a victory lap. i don't know if it's premature or not. i also think it was notable the president gave his public comments before he got his briefing, and the whole purpose for him to come down here, the whole stated purpose was for him to be briefed by officials on the ground. the president giving a big speech before he actually got all the realtime data from folks on the ground. so there's a fair amount of stage craft with this visit. you even saw the backdrop, the marines rolled out a jet to have in the background. he's here in a hangar. they want to make sure air force one is in the background. there's a lot of presidential
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pageantry with this trip. the president is getting a realtime briefing and update, and the message is there's still a long way to go. >> let's talk about the danger of the rivers. you spent the last three days in helicopters over the state. what's your sense of the governor of north carolina is saying don't go home yet? we're not finished with this yet. i think he said sunshine does not mean safety. >> reporter: yeah. they don't know how bad the river's going to get and where they're going to crest exactly, when they're going to crest, and that southeastern part of the state. that's one of the challenges they've had throughout. speaking to a three-star general. he used the analogy of a snake eating a frog. it's slowly working its way down. the timing on that is very difficult. one thing the army has done and the corps of engineers is they've prestaged the engineers. they have a ring route of helicopters flying around the state. they're prestaging these enginee engineers. in some places they think the flooding might get worse. if the flooding recedes they want engineering there assessing
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the crucial infrastructure. the president is just over here. looks like he's getting ready to go. it looks like they may be leaving this base here and heading out and seeing some of the damage in the local community. you can really see just when we were driving in about maybe an hour out, all of the restaurants stopped having food, stopped serving. the waffle house is the exception. the mcdonald's were not open, much to the chagrin of certain reporters, guys. >> of course, but the waffle house was as always. supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh once said what happened at georgetown prep stays at georgetown prep. apparently it doesn't. who else was at the party where christine blasey ford claims kavanaugh attacked her, and should they testify to the senate committee, too? but first, updates on nationwide reports of child sex abuse in the catholic church. in brooklyn, new york, four male victims received what is considered a record payout, a $27.5 million settlement not enough for alleged abuse by a
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." here are the top stories we're watching right now. president trump says he is not concerned about what his former campaign manager will say as he cooperates with special counsel robert mueller. as he is headed to north carolina this morning, the president made his first public comments about paul manafort since he pled guilty last friday to conspiracy charges and agreed to cooperate. >> i believe that he will tell the truth, and if he tells the truth, no problem. "the new york times" reporting that the trump administration has now lost track of another 1,500 migrant
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children who entered the country alone and were then placed with sponsors. a spokesperson for the department of health and human services says the children, quote, are not lost, but their sponsors couldn't be reached. in april, hhs admitted to losing track of another 1,475 kids. and a c surgeon who appeared on a reality show and his girlfriend are now charged with drugging and raping two women. prosecutors say there may be around 1,000 victims total. an investigation uncovered thousands of videos on the man's phone where women appeared to be highly intoxicated beyond the ability to consent. the couple denies the allegations of nonconsensual sex. we're starting to learn more about mark judge. he's the third person that professor christine blasey ford alleges was in the room when she says brett kavanaugh sexually assaulted her in high school. judge says the situation that ford alleges never happened, but i want to take a look at who this guy mark judge is. he and kavanaugh attended
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georgetown prep together graduating in the early 1980s. in an interview with "the new york times," judge sites their private school experiences and catholic upbringing to dispute professor ford's allegations saying something like that, a drunken assault at a party, would stick out. but judge's own writings recount hazy drunken partying including a bachelor party featuring a music teacher, students chugging beer, and all of them being, quote, entertained by the stripper. his other book, entitled wasted tales of a genx -- leaving speculation that the passage using a pseudonym for brett kavanaugh. and judge's high school yearbook quote appears to endorse violence against women and one other caption in the yearbook seems to make light of the issue, all things judge would have had control over as the yearbook's caption editor. later in life according to judge, he found the error of his ways getting sober, getting back into religion and briefly
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teaching at georgetown university, but he also advocated for a quote, ambiguous middle ground when it comes to consent and what he called, quote, the wonderful beauty of uncontrollable male passion. it's the discrepancy in judge's defense of kavanaugh that they were good catholic private school boys just playing sports and doing school work against his other writings about the same time where judge says he drank heavily, quote, lusted after girls, and his views on how men should treat women. all of this could make things like this quote kavanaugh made in 2015 reflecting on a saying that he and his classmates had take on new meaning. >> we had a good saying that we've held firm to to this day as the dean was reminding me before the talk, which is what happens at georgetown prep stays at georgetown prep. that's been a good thing for all of us, i think. >> that's what he said. >> i'm just taken.
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one more time. >> the wonderful beauty of uncontrollable male passion. >> of uncontrollable male passion. >> yeah. >> he wrote that. joining us now is washington post reporter author of the article that digs into mark judge's background. this is a guy who has spent a good amount of time -- >> again, we have to remember we're talking about mark judge, not brett kavanaugh. >> he's a guy who has written a lot about women, and he has expressed what he thinks women's role in society is. what's the cliff notes version of this? >> the cliff notes is he's never used the words, but the type of person that are sometimes referred to disparagingly as men's rights activists. he writes about his notion of femininity and masculinity, whereas masculinity is a man being a man, that quote about unbridled male passion, he's a fan of, you know, movie scenes of guys, you know, violently taking women and doing things to them.
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>> all right. >> maybe all that self-loathing is why he got blackout drunk so often. >> he went over a little bit of mark judge and brett kavanaugh's high school days thanks in large part to your reporting. there seems to be some conflict here in terms of the good catholic prep school boys versus party animals. >> yeah, there sure is. when mark judge was asked about the allegations against kavanaugh he kind of said like everybody else a good down the middle catholic schools, his memoirs are totally the opposite, that it was drugs and sex and catholic boys chasing catholic girls, people passing out at parties. this is a guy that was in kavanaugh's high school class and running around with him at the time. >> and so we understand, mark judge is saying that this didn't happen, but he's not willing to testify? is that the case? >> that's correct. mark judge is not willing to testify. he's given a very short statement, a couple to reporters, a couple to the senate saying i have no
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recollection of this and respect my privacy. >> respect my privacy except he came out and made a statement, so which one is it, mark? >> so have you talked to either -- at the time that we talked to emma brown the other day, "the washington post" hadn't spoken to obviously brett kavanaugh about this, what's mark judge said? has he been able to talk to you about it? >> no, i haven't gotten through to mark judge. i don't think that he's talking to reporters much anymore. i think he's written his letter to the senate, and you know, in the senate republican's words, he said what he's going to say and the republicans don't think there's any need to bring him out and put him under oath. >> in your colleague emma brown's article, she says that christine ford cites two other people at the party. have you reached out to them? >> i've not talked to either of them, at least one of them has, i think, just maybe this morning been contacted by another outlet
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and also said that he has no memory of the party, doesn't remember it being there, and also does not want to testify or talk about it more. there's one more person. it's important to remember that judge is the only other person that was in the room according to ford. >> i also think it's important that christine todd is the one who said -- >> christine blasey ford. >> i'm thinking jersey was in the room knowing he wasn't her ally, he wasn't on her team. >> so why would she name him if she knows that he's going to be brett kavanaugh's ali. >> i am so tongue tied over what this man has said. the uncontrollable male passion. >> it's unbelievable. >> and it should be celebrated. coming up next, tesla's ceo elon musk is facing a criminal investigation for tweeting about tesla's stock last month. it blew up the market, but did he actually break the law. first, a memo obtained by nbc news shows just how much
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." carmaker tesla is now facing a criminal investigation over statements made by their ceo, elon musk. bloomberg first broke the news that the department of justice has opened a probe into fraud at tesla after musk royaled the market with a tweet. this is the tweet, he was considering taking the company private at $420 a share. >> funding secured. >> funding secured. musk says he has abandoned that plan but the tweet has exposed him to legal risk. >> this one is extraordinary to me and it was at the time. in a statement tesla said, quote, it received a voluntary request for documents from the department of justice and has been cooperative in responding to it. we respect the department of justice's desire to get information about this and believe that matter should be quickly resolved. tesla was already under a civil investigation by the s.e.c. commission for the claim. >> so that's the important part,
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the s.e.c. is a civil matter. it's not criminal. the department of justice handles criminal matters. in many cases they're investigating similar things. >> we do have to put this in perspective for the audience. when the ceo of a publicly traded company makes any sort of statement, it has to be vetted. it has to go through their legal team. when he says something like we've got funding secured, that is a market -- >> it's a market moving event. >> this person has inside information and this is a market moving incident. elon musk has been in a fight with short sellers, with journalists for the last year, and this is all coming at a time when he is having production problems with the model 3, and he's already promised that they're going to have a huge second half of the year. it's huge. >> joining us is jesse westbrook. good to see you. for much of our audiaudience, they're not steeped in these financial rules but there are rules that govern when you're looking at selling your company or you're going to do something material how you distribute that
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information in a way that everybody to whom it's important gets it the same way and at the same time. that's initially what the problem is with what elon musk did? >> yeah, i mean, i don't think the tweet is really the issue in and of itself. i mean, s.e.c.'s evolved. the world's evolved. i mean, a tweet could be pretty broad dissemination. i don't think the s.e.c. really has an issue with that, the issue is whether you're really being truthful when you say you have funding secured. now that we have the justice department involved, i mean for the s.e.c. they can kind of get him just for that statement not being true. if you said you had funding secured and you didn't, that's a pretty easy s.e.c. case to bring. the justice department, it's a much higher burden. i mean, they have to sort of show that there was some premeditated intent to mislead the market, and that's a lot of times found in e-mails that may or may not exist, something where you send an e-mail to a colleague saying i'm going to show those short sellers once and for all, you know, watch my twitter feed at 4:00 p.m. today.
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i'm going to say i've got -- >> to be clear, the implication is people are shorting the stock, which means they're betting on it going down. you make a statement like this, and a whole bunch of investors see it and people see it and say i'm going to buy tesla's stock. it does the opposite of what the short sellers expected it was going to do, so you could end up costing people money with information that's not actually true. >> and then those short sellers take it right up the drawers if it's misnsks. >> -- misinformation. >> the stock did jump, but the market figured out quickly that, huh, does he really have money secured. is he really going to get $420 a share for this company, and the stock has fallen something like 25% since that tweet, so i mean, you can fool the market for some period of time, but you can't fool the market that long. >> what have we heard from tesla? soon after it happened there was
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some hazy conversation, board members, one of which is his brother say well, he mentioned this in a board meeting, but saying in a board meeting when you're trying to rescue your company from a bad situation saying hey, maybe we take this thing private is miles away from funding secured. >> yeah, i think we have heard sort of in dribs and drabs that the board was shocked by that initial tweet. the board had no idea, as far as we know, that he had some sort of serious plan. he claimed the saudi arabia investment authority, big sovereign wealth fund in saudi arabia was where the funding was going to come from. what we can be sure about is that the s.e.c. and maybe the justice department, too, are going to talk to all those parties to see who knew what, when they knew it and, you know, what was not revealed to the market and board members when musk made that tweet. >> and have we heard any statement specifically from elon musk? i mean, this guy has had a devastating week. >> well, it was interesting in
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one of the sort of early reports, "the new york times" interviewed him, and he said he didn't regret the tweet. i mean it's hard to see why he wouldn't regret that tweet. it might go down as one of the most, you know, biggest unforced errors in the history of corporate america. i mean, yes there have been other problems at tesla, like you alluded to, model 3 production, the company hasn't returned to profit, that tweet, the distractions that it's created, the sort of insecurity in shareholders that it's created, i mean, no ceo wants to get even a voluntary request from the department of justice. i mean, it's always bad news if you're a corporation and the justice department is knocking on your door. >> well, never become down. never say you're wrong. never say sorry. many people compare elon musk saying he's sort of the donald trump of corporate america, and that is the exact sort of roy cone donald trump play book. >> yeah, it does seem like he -- you know, whether shareholders agree with that and whether
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shareholders remain confident in the company, i mean, as i said a justice department investigation is never a positive thing, and if you've got all these other issues at tesla, you know, questions about whether the model 3 is ever going to be scaled up: questions about whether the company is going to make a profit, and then the distraction of the s.e.c. and doj going through e-mails, you know, talking to board members, so on and so forth. i mean, it's not positive. it is definitely not positive. >> jesse, good to talk to you, thank you for joining us, a financial regulation editor at bloomberg. >> this week elon musk has been sued by one of the divers in southeast asia. >> well, he called him a pedophile. >> he's in delivery logistics hell. he potentially has a probe going on and audi is now in production of an electric car. >> this is a guy, elon musk for many people they have thought of him as the leonardo da vinci of our time, this futurist, this remarkably big thinker. but you've got richard branson
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who manages to make it through life without doing stuff like this and still, you know, really works outside of the normal lines. this is crazy. elon musk is just -- >> you can have revolutionary outside the box thinkers, ceos and then of course amidst all of this drama he appeared on a podcast smoking weed. >> yep, interesting character. coming up next, president trump is blasting attorney general jeff sessions again. this time he goes so far as to say quote, i don't have an attorney general. >> but the united states does, sir. it is now time for the favorite part of the show, monumental americans. today just 48 days from the midterm elections we are honoring alice paul who fought to get women the right to vote. paul was born in my home state of new jersey in 1885 in a quaker household. she studied in london where she joined a british suffrage group and learned tactics of civil disobedience. she organized the 1913 women suffrage procession in washington which drew 80,000
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fidelity. open an account today. ♪ welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." president trump is again, viciously attacking his own attorney general jeff sessions. in an interview with the hill on tuesday, he said, quote, i don't have an attorney general. it's very sad. >> the president's been criticizing sessions ever since the aj recused himself from the russia investigation which is now led by special counsel robert mueller. trump suggested session's future was uncertain. >> i'm disappointed in the attorney general for numerous reasons, but we have an attorney
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general. i'm disappointed in the attorney general for many reasons, and you understand. >> are you going to fire him? are you going to fire jeff sessions? >> we are looking at lots of different things. i have a great cabinet. >> joining us now is tom dupree, former deputy assistant attorney general. tom, i think we should just fact check for a moment. the president does have an attorney general. he chose that attorney general, jeff sessions. what jeff sessions and the position isn't is donald trump's personal attorney? >> well, that's right, and look, i think it's fair to say that the president has a very different concept and understanding of the role of the attorney general than jeff sessions does. this relationship has not been good for a long time, ever since sessions recused himself. for a long time it was aberrational, i think now it is just openly dysfunctional. it should go without saying that this is not a healthy relationship for the president or for the country to have the president in open war fafare wi
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his attorney general. >> trump didn't say when asked that he would fire jeff sessions, but he didn't say he wouldn't fire jeff sessions. i guess for those of us who haven't worked -- and by the way, we're looking at live pict who is about to tour to a church in north carolina. so we are keeping an eye on that for you. and tom, he did not say that he would not fire him, but at some point, does it become hard or impossible for jeff sessions to do his job as attorney general with it very clear that the president does not support him? >> it is increasingly difficult. i mean, look, one thing that an attorney general can do in trying to motivate people in the department is to show that he has the support of the president, the ear of the president, and that the president is backing his actions. that is obviously something that jeff sessions does not have. i think that from the president's perspective, this may be something that he is going to feel that after the midterm elections are out of the way, he will have greater freedom to do what he is itching to do which is to get himself a
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new attorney general. >> and president trump has said that he is not happy with sessions when it comes to the border, and we oknow thn know t sessions has taken a lot of heat, but what he has done is on agenda with president trump? >> it is a little bit perplexing and you absolutely right. if you are going to look at many of the attorney general's president's statements, he has emphasize and underscored the ways that he is implementing the president'sed a jen a dat the bo border and the fact that the president is picking on him for lax border control, is puzzling, because perhaps the president sees the number apprehended at the border and seeing that the as measuring stick, but it is pe kcuil yar, because this is something that the attorney general thinks that he is faithfully implementing the wishes of the president. >> and now, tom dupre, the former assistant attorney general and we are looking at the pictures in newbern, north carolina, and this is where
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after the hurricane hit, and one of the first places that the winds came ashore and they were really batter iing and then the water came up, and they had to, you know, before the hurricane had hit where i was in myrtle beach, the people were getting rescued in new bern and let's listen in a t the president in new bern. all right. that is the president in new bern, north carolina, and he is headed next to south carolina to survey the damage there.
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>> how many? how many do you need? five five. >> president trump is speaking to locals, the there, and a ali maybe you can speak to this. the significance of the president being there and assessing the damage, because for those of us who are not, and you know, many people say, oh, well, the storm is over, and the sun is out now, and, damage is still going on, and dangers persist. >> this is always fraught with issues the president going into the place where there has been a disaster and partially where there is a lot of need for response and people say that the president comes in, and that is going to take away from the first responders and so the president has to weigh whether or not he is going there detracts from the work that needs to be done or enhance the sense that people feel that there has been a strong response
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by the federal government. you and i know that the president is still reeling are from his not only the poor federal response to hurricane maria in puerto rico, but the constant comments about how the media and the democrats, and it is that he does not believe the new report of how people died. so every president tries to do it at showing up a at place with cheering crowds which demonstrates that there is a strong federal response to the sto storm, and only history tells whether these things work, but there he is with roy cooper the governor of north carolina, and the gentleman in the jacket leaning into the car right now, and the governor has said that the president and fema have been in constant contact with them, and really helping, and now that the ground in at least some of the places is dry, and that at least does not take away from the work of the first responders that the president is there, and one does not know how these things end up judged in the end. >> we are in the billions in terms of the damage, and the long term aid and reconstruction that is going to be needed is
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huge. it is a big positive that the attention continues to be on, and at least in the immediate -- and we are doing the listen in. oh, look, he has a snack. there he is distributing meals. >> mr. president, this is stacy. >>t got it? all right. >> sir, this is casey. >> and the yellow shirt. >> and i think that he just said have a good time. >> i appreciate it. >> 12. >> next is 12. >> okay. >> good luck with everything, sir. thank you very much.
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>> what's your name, buddy? tucker. okay. step over here. >> how is the house? >> seen better days. seen better days. >> you sign up in front of the church for the cleanup? >> yes, yes. >> thank you. thank you. >> you have that? >> this is tucker. he is helping us today. do they have ice? thank you. >> and hance nickels is in cherry point, north carolina, where which is where the president has come from and he is in new bern now, and hans,
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tell us what is going on. >> well, what we are seeing now is the president delivering some supplies and food. he is just down the road here where some of the worst flooding took place. now, that is a tidal river. now you rare seeing some of the river in that part of north carolina already recede, and you are seeing the consistent message and we spoke to the three-star general here, and it is going to be worse and they don't know how bad, and those are more of the rivers in the southeasts part of the state, because the basin, they are getting a lot of water and cresting later on in the next three or four days, and the president is trying to clearly use this as an opportunity to connect with thet voters and show a little empathy and send a clear message to the people that the federal government is here. and the difference of this and puerto rico, they had so many more assets prestage d here and it is a difference that it is not a island and they could get a lot more electricity through the grid and reroute things, and they had a better response plan
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for this, and part of it is geography, and part of it is planning. ali and stephanie. >> what we are seeing here is the president seem ts to be in front of cars, and he is then handing the meals to people, and i assume that someone has vetted this and that there are people driving up to getting meals and move on and chatting with the president. you mentioned earlier, hans, there is a good amount of stage craft here, and when the president went to puerto rico and started to throw out paper towels that did not work out well for him from the coverage perspective, but one has to the assume that they are not random cars and people are getting food, but this is somehow staged. >> well, i wouldn't be so certain about that. now, the word of mouth could have spread, but there was a tight hold on where the president's movements would be, a and this is what the secret service say is an otr and off the record, so it is not on an official log and that is going to the require a different security classification, so these people have not been frisked or gone through the intense security that you
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normally go through to get anywhere close to the president, and so there is a presumption that the people for example won't be armed, and there is a presumption that they would not wish any ill harm on the president, so i i don't know -- and there have been distribution points for food. we certainly had not picked anything up that there is any indication that the president was going to be going to this location and delivering meals, because in part, ali, we would have been tried to have been there and been there live. ali. >> and you were just there, hans, and you know better than me, but i would like to think that in a moment like this it is not about politic, because it is people who are probably happy to have a meal. >> i have no doubt about it, but it is just in all of the reporting and being around the president, it is not typical that random unscreened people can drive their cars up next to the president like that. and do that. so, i am not suggesting that they called a rally. and that these are supporters, but i am just saying that random
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folks can't drive up to the president of the united states in 2018 and ask him for food. >> well, we have seen president obama at soup kitchens and stuff like that. >> yeah, but i think that folks get checked. >> aim glad thi am a glad theya lunch right now. >> and now let's hand it over to "andrea mitchell reports." shutting it down. brett kavanaugh's accuser wants a fbi check before a hearing and that is not needed as echoed by the president. >> i would want to see her and see what she has to say, but i want to give it all of the time they need. they have already given it time. they have delayed a major hearing. >> anita hill has seen it before. >> it occurs to me that two things are going on, that either they don't take this seriously, that


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