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vote "yes" on c. it helps all of us. a very good sunday you to. we've got a lot to cover this hour. donald trump is all in on donald trump. a media blitz leading up to the midterms. the president making sure this election will be all about him a whether the republican candidates like that or not. putting a price tag on moral leadership. and if at first you don't succeed, try, try again. donald trump taking another shot at separating children from their families at the border. we'll get to that issue in just a little bit. we gain with the president's media frenzy. if you felt this week more than ever that you could not escape the president, you were not
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alone. the president more accessible than he's ever been appearing in multiple formats. taking on just about every issue out there. >> the democrats have become totally consumed by their chilling lust for power. if they feel the separation, in many cases they don't come. but also in many cases, you have really bad people coming in and using children. >> i think they have a great cabinet. there are some people i'm not happy with. eye have people i'm not thrilled with. >> i worked very hard to get the order for the military. $110 billion. i believe it's the largest order ever made. it's 450,000 jobs. it's the best equipment in the world. >> that last sound bite may be the most important one as we break down today's story. the president is clearly hoping for a repeat of 2016. the chance to prove the pundits
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wrong by using his personal power. a new poll may bolster that very idea. it shows the president's approval rate on the rise. joining me to discuss this, daily beast executive editor, noah shackman and democratic strategist bowsil. the numbers, there's something for everybody it appears in this new poll. if you're an "r," there's something to point out. if you're a "d," there's something to point out. what's the net you're seeing? >> well, there are a number of takeaways across the political spectrum. they're happy to see the president's approval numbers rising. that is going to help them not only with key senate races, but also they are hoping that they are starting to see signs of
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republicans coming home in a number of these swings. at the same time, we're also seeing a lot of folks thought progressive motivation couldn't be any more energized and any higher. numbers suggest it's actually climbing even higher with some key demographics. >> we're talking about those that are energized. generally speaking for democrats. but the flip side to the polling numbers is showing that at least in a general election for some candidate for congress, the democratic energy has gone down from before. so it's a mixed bag here. >> it really is a mixed bag. i think the kavanaugh fight deflated some democrats for sure. i want to note that trump is taking a risky strategy. usually the party out of power is the one that tries to nationalize the election if we look at 1994, 2006, 2010.
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the question is can trump nationalize the election and hold a little bit of his own at least in the senate? >> the question, is it that different billing what -- what he was saying, we're nationalizing being the party in power might actually work against the democrats. >> and history is not on his side because democrats will lose seats. the question is it's a great point, is it appropriate for him to nationalize this race? i don't -- i don't mind if he does in part because i think that all of the rhetoric and all of the sort of built-in anger against him is being reflected in our candidates. it's being reflected in the energy that you are seeing. and i actually think there's a net positive for democrats as a result of that. >> but it might work here. i'm just going to the polling numbers here. supporting a congressional candidate who shares your views of president trump, this is what the numbers show, 58% say it's
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important. 40% say it's not important. it seems like it's working. >> i have no doubt everything we've seen with kavanaugh and the reporter that was brought home from turkey that this sort of victory lap that he's taking will certainly energize his base. i have no doubt about that. democratic gains are not exclusivesive exclusive of what they're doing on their side. but a lot of movement on the left is a reforming of the obama coalition, something that i really wanted to see, was anxious to see after 2016. i think if we see that we see it in the midterms, it will sustain until 2020, so i think our victories will cascade. >> but will that work? old is new again? old we're only talking about at that point four years in. >> well, one thing that i do think is interesting is that talking about what a potential democratic coalition could look like come three weeks, we are also talking a lot about the moderate suburban women, where
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do they go and would it be an expansion of what we saw as a previous successful democratic co legzs. how many of those voters can democrats hold on to at a time when we are seeing numbers suggest that other elements of the republican base are starting to come home. >> every day counts. all three of you know that as we get to election day. every hour, every minute counts. so if you're on the left or the right, you're working feverishly. what might happen, though, in this october surprise space? we already saw on friday where we lost 5% on the markets. it might shape a couple folks. we have the gdp numbers showing how healthy we are. interest rates going up on top of that. >> in this news cycle every day feels like about ten years. i think i had all brown hair a week ago. a million things can happen in the next month. >> what might you be watching? >> i do think -- i don't think
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this saudi arabia thing is a voting issue, but i do think trump selling out a reporter to a murderous regime, i think that plays. you don't know what's going to happen. there's some sort of myth out there that there's going to be no movement on any russia investigation between now and the election day. i don't think that's for sure at all. so those are two things right there that i think could play. there's there's a lot of talk about the white house doing another immigration push and separate more families in the next couple weeks. that could energize a lot of people. >> on that, and add to this what you like, but talk about the immigration issue, some of the recent polling, it's reporting that when it comes to the looato voting block, despite the push on separation of families or immigration specifically, they're not seeing a lot of energy coming from that voting block and democrats need that. >> here's what's interesting about this. i think a lot of trump's base
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and certainly some of the moderate republicans may not have liked trump's tactics, but they liked the outcome. that's the concern that i think we have to pushback. >> don't hlike him as a person. like what he does. >> right and i think democrats are in a position to rewrite the narrative. i don't believe voters feel whatever positive effects the trump economic policy has. when you combine that, i think the immigration fight, they're not going to be voting on trump policies exclusively. they'll be voting on a lot of emotion, because some of what trump is selling hasn't trickled down to them yet and that is the excitement you see on the left. >> we've got tariffs that are taking effect. we've got the issue of the tax plan which we won't see where you are in america until next year's tax issues. talking about also friday's markets. and we've got health care that according to this latest poll
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here, katie, is rating quite high in importance. there are some pocketbook issues that will affect some of these local races. >> if it's up to national democrats, health care is the oej thing that would be discussed between now and election day. >> not an easy topic to discuss. >> it's challenging for candidates on both sides of the aisle to stay on message. there's a lot of democrats who are trying to win over moderate republicans who don't want to spend every day talking about donald trump and of course the thing is certainly true for a lot of republican candidates in tight races who really don't want to talk about the president, but of course as we know at the top of the segment, the president is everywhere. it's really hard for candidates on either side to try and talk about some of the other pocketbook issues. >> on the right pocketbook works, so does emotion on the left. it's last hour they were saying democrats need to fall in love. >> i don't think they have yet.
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they've fallen in hate, but i don't think they've fall nen in love. you haven't seen as many super extreme candidates like you did in 2010. they seem to be running a more disciplined slate of candidates which i think has -- may minimize losses. >> all of our panel sticking around, putting a price tag on the united states world leadership. president trump indicating he'll punish saudi arabia if they're involved in the murder of a prominent journalist, but only if the price is right. separating children at the border brought international outrage, court battles and ultimately surrender for the trump administration. why not do it all over again. why not do it all over again of course i have- ever since i started renting from national. because national lets me lose the wait at the counter... ...and choose any car in the aisle. and i don't wait when i return, thanks to drop & go.
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would you consider imposing sanctions as a bipartisan group of senators had proposed? >> it depends on what the sanction is. i'll give you an example. they are ordering military equipment. everybody in the world wanted that order. >> if this is proven to be true, there is going to be a response from congress that is going to be nearly unanimous mouse, going to be swift, and it will go far. >> well, the stage is set for a possible showdown between the white house and capitol hill lawmakers on that topic over how the u.s. should deal is saudi arabia if the kingdom is responsible for the suspected murder of the saudi journalist
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ja c jamal khashoggi. in a statement today on state run media, an unnamed saudi official says, quote, the kingdom affirms its total rejection of any threats or attempts to undermine it whether through the threats to impose economic sanctions or the use of political pressure. the kingdom also affirms that if it receives any action, it will respond with greater action and that the kingdom's economy has an influential and vital role in the global economy. and in a phone call a short time ago, what we're hearing, saudi king salman thanks turkey's president for launching a joint team to investigate the situation saying no one can undermine saudi arabia's strong relationship with turkey. let's bring in bobbie gosh,
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naira huck is martin fletcher. martin is the author of "promised land". great to have all three of you. veteran journalists from this part of the world that we're talking about, what is it that we know and that we're hearing about khashoggi and what is it that we can do, the united states, with the relationship with saudi arabia based on that information? >> well, he's a key journalist. he was the voice that journalists visiting saudi arabia go toto fi to find out information about the saudi officials. he was a friend of the royal family and left the country under pressure and became known as a dissident in the terms of the saudi government. he was a journalist doing his job and he felt he needed to work on behalf of writing about the truth of what was really happening. a difficult position and it put him in great danger. he knew that.
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we have to find out the details of it. what is suspected is atrocious behavior. >> who has the leverage here? the united states or saudi arabia? it appears that it's the united states given it's the united states. >> overwhelming the united states has leverage. the stock of the saudis pulling out a military deal is a red herring. it depending on the united states not just for military hardware but a guarantee of security, of support for the saudi regime. the president put it rather crudely i think a week or ten days ago when he said that the soud -- saudi king would not survive without american support. for decades the saudi regime, the royal family has depended on american support to survive. the military's assistance is not
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merely restricted to selling planes and other hardware, but if there's intelligence sharing, there is joint exercises and efforts. the leverage is unquestionably in america's hands. >> this is something that has certainly been said in this administration, and that is who do you call? so if we're talking about the secretary of state mike pompeo or we talk about those in the white house, in the national security staff, at this moment, if we were to leverage, the united states i'm talking about, leverage its position, who would be that individual and do they have the right standing in the world stage to get that done here? >> secretary pompeo certainly has standing internationally. he was a former cia director. he has the intel resources that we need to bring to bear in a situation like this. we haven't seen any of those intel resource comes to bear, nor have we seen any broader
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diplomatic overtures. having those in place would be helpful. the trump white house has consolidated power in the white house itself, specifically the middle east awith jared kushner. he's someone that can relate on a business level. he doesn't have a broad or deeper understanding of how the countries in the middle east try to manipulate the powers. he's fallen into the trap of outsourcing to saudi arabia or isreal. >> who would know about a situation like this? would it be the secretary of state mike pompeo? would they know about a situation like this based on at least -- turkish officials right now are saying they had data. we don't know exactly what that data is, what that information is or where it comes from. but wouldn't a secretary of state know about this? >> absolutely. a secretary of state would have his ear to the ground with it
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becoming an international crisis, particularly when the united states has been the standard bearer of freedom of press. we used to be the country that would go to other countries and talk about how you need to defend journalists. that doesn't seem to be the case these days. those are signals that the saudi, even the turks who have a terrible record were journalists in the last two years, that they're picking up that the united states is no longer going to be the standard bearer for freedom of the press. the secretary of state is not able to bring all of his tools to bear in this situation and it seems that our intel services haven't been turned on perhaps. if they had had information, had hasn't necessarily gone up to the white house or the white house doesn't care. because again, they have bigger personal business interests at stake. >> you know, one of the statements we just got word of was that king salman was saying nothing can separate the strong relationship with turkey. number two, there is a counter
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balance to iran. do they have more leverage over the united states because of that? the united states does need a friendly, if you will, of such importance in this space? >> that's been the story for many years, for decades, actually. actually, saudi arabia needs america much more than america needs saudi arabia. the fight against -- in the fight between sunni islam and shia islam. the fact that we all know what should happen right now. there should be in severe sanctions if what we fear is true is true. there must be a severe punishment. as president trump said. but this is a question of morality versus money. it's how do you punish saudi arabia without losing the business. and that's the challenge that america faces and europe faces. >> the relationships that we're watching along this very story line as we watch the house talk
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with autocratic leaders around the world is certainly one of the story lines that's coming out of khashoggi. i want to play something we just got in. this is president trump on "60 minutes" talking about kim jong-un. >> i want to read you his resume. okay? he preports that he had his hal brother assassinated, slave labor, public executions. >> i know all these things. i'm not a baby. >> i know, but why do you love that guy? >> look. i get along with him. okay? >> you love him. >> okay. that's a figure of speech. >> it's like an embrace. >> let it be whatever it is. >> he's a bad guy. >> look, let it be whatever it is. i get along with him really well. i have a good energy with him. i have a good chemistry with
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him. look at the horrible threats that were made. no more threats. no more threats. >> so that's the full interview that will be airing on cbs "60 minutes" later on today. that is alluding to kim jong-un. we've seen the comments made by president trump about vladimir putin as well. we now have, if this does come to pass, potentially a government killing a journalist, and this is consistent necessarily with the violence that journalist had faced or the criticism certainly of journalists that are challenging governments around the world, including the united states, and the messaging from this president. when we see something like this, how is this part of the story of khashoggi today? >> well, it adds to the general sense of confusion about where the united states actually stands. so you have president trump saying what you just showed there. but in that very same interview, i think i saw a clip earlier today where he says well, there will be consequences for saudi arabia. what will those consequences be?
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there's not -- there use to be a clear idea of where the united states stood on issues like this one. that clarity is now gone. if you're looking for the glass half full, you turn to congress, hardly the place for optimism traditionally, but senators have issued statements criticizing saudi arabia, demanding that the president conduct an investigation. insisting -- senator rand paul has threatened to bring a vote to stop arms sales to saudi arabia. so there is some pushback at least from congress. but from the white house there is a little bit of this and a little bit of that, and that is not useful. >> quickly. >> the congress even with the mcnitsky act it will be about 120 days before it's put in place. saudi arabia has an economy that
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is bloated. 70% is on the public. half of their able bodied intelligent work force is not allowed to work. oil is becoming increasingly -- the united states is not dependent on saudi oil. so they need us economically more so than we need them when it comes to business deals. frankly, we have many other opportunities and partners in the middle east also who can help us in counterterrorism measures. donald trump is really overplaying the hand of we need saudi, which is a saudi arabia that we know from 20 years ago not, the saudi arabia we know today. >> in 15 second, another journalist potentially killed because of political reasons. >> i think this is a moment of truth for the american administration to show leadership against this. journalists are being killed in so many countries, mexico, syria. >> it could be a record here. >> isis cut off the heads of three journalists. the idea that a government from a member of the united nations could do something very similar, if it's true, is outrageous.
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>> thank you all three. i appreciate it. coming up, it went so well the first time. donald trump wants to take another shot at separating children at the border evidently. robert mueller finally getting some answers from the president on russia. but it will not be face-to-face. at least for now. at least for now i landed. i saw my leg did not look right. i was just finishing a ride. i felt this awful pain in my chest. i had a pe blood clot in my lung. i was scared. i had a dvt blood clot. having one really puts you in danger of having another. my doctor and i chose xarelto®. xarelto®. to help keep me protected. xarelto® is a latest-generation blood thinner that's... proven to treat and reduce the risk of dvt
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time for someone new. now everybody wants to come in and they come in illiegally and they use children. in many cases they aren't theirs and they want to come in with the children. >> president trump once again considering separating parents from their children as a way to stem a rising wave of migrant families entering the united states illegally. trump ended the practice of family separation in july. this amid a barrage of criticism and an apparent plea from the first lady. here's what she said in a recent interview with abc news. >> i didn't know that policy would come out. i was blindsided by it. i said to him that i feel that's unacceptable and he felt the same.
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>> dozens of children still remain in detention separated from their families while they wait to hear about their fate. noah is back with us. joining me, katie benner, justice reporter from "the new york times." noah, what is it that we are hearing about this potential, shall we say, chapter two of this policy? >> so messed up. i mean, you're talking about basically reupping this policy as a last ditch effort to try to curb immigrant families from coming over the border because there has been an uptake of families in august and september coming over the border. so they're basically going to kidnap children in order to try to dissueade them. >> is this chapter two, version two, how is it different and is it going to be any better based on what we saw before? we're up to ten different agencies that needs to work on something like this.
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>> right. i was there in the southern district of texas watching the prosecution, not the family separations, but the genesis of the separations is those prosecutions. the difference now is that the federal government, the new administration is prosecuting more seriously crimes which originally did not result in any jail time or incarceration. the effect of that is separation, because you can't incarcerate childrens with their parents. the dangers of that, and i've handled the dependency cases myself, is once the child is in the system, that is a path that creates a bunch of obstacles for a parent that they cannot negotiate if they have been deported or are back in their home country. so there is a very real possibility that at the moment of separation, once a child is in the system, that is a path that could end to termination of parental rights. so no matter what the administration does, we have some fundamental rules about what we do with dependent
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children that can lead to ultimate termination of these parental rights, which can be a very dangerous thing. >> katie, you've got a lot to cover over the justice department. attorney general, jeff sessions, certainly has been an important part of this administration's work towards immigration policy. what are you hearing? is it something that they are gearing up for in this potential chapter two? >> well, i think that one of the big questions we have to ask ourselves is whether or not the justice department will continue on this path, on the zero tolerance immigration policy path that other guests have just referred to that has led to this need to separate children from their parents as they get to the border and has led to this wave upon wave of misdemeanor prosecutions filling up courthouses all along the southern border. once jeff sessions is gone, it is possible that the justice department could pull back on that policy or could somehow try to soften it, because in many ways, this was his initiative. it was the thing he personally championed. it was in keeping with president trump's wishes. it was in keeping with what
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happened with the rest of the trump administration. but jeff sessions has been a driver of this hard line on immigration and it is to be seen whether or not that will continue after he leaves. >> i want to shift just slightly here and move to the very issue of russia since we're talking about the justice department for a second. danny, to you on this, you did some writing on this. this based on potentially written answers, right? coming from the house at the moment, what might be in those answers and will it be of any value? >> in criminal case, it's almost unheard of to deal with what these are which are basically written interrogatories and where they are used in the civil context in case, they've fallen largely out of disfavor. they really are of limited value. if you had the opportunity to think about a question, to object to the ambiguity of the question, call it vague and say to the extent i understand this question, here is my limited
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answer, over time in both civil and criminal cases, and like i said, they're never used in the criminal context, there's no cub constitution for raising your hand, taking an oath and giving testimony. or in the alternative sitting down with federal investigators under the penalty of false statements to get the true statements out of people. the reality is written interrogatories are not effective ways to get answers. however, they're very good for the president because he avoids that potential perjury trap and they may be good for mueller because at least he will get some questions answered and get a thread at which to pull and find more answer. >> something is better than nothing. i want to play a little bit of what trump said about this very top skp topic and then get your reflection. let's listen. >> are you preparing written answers for the special counsel team? >> i don't talk about that. i'll just say this and everybody knows it. no collusion. there never was.
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there never will be. >> what are you hearing in terms of what is being covered in these questions and answers? the debate between collusion and obstruction of justice. some say it's one or the other right now. >> obstruction and collusion are two very different claims and charges. i think right now what robert mueller really wants to know is what did the president do and why did he do it? what were his motives for some of the actions that he took and which one of those would imply that he was working with russia, if there are any and which one of those actions was taken in order to somehow obstruct the mueller investigation? there are some things that really definitely do seem to point to some sort of obstruction of justice claim. for example, trying to fire mr. mueller which mr. mueller has spoken with people about. the firing of jim comey comes up often, asking jeff sessions to unrecuse himself so he could oversee the investigation. those are three things that people might want to explore more, including mr. mueller's team. then there's the idea of did mr. trump or any of his associates
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understand that russia was trying to influence the election? clearly the mueller team has already put out two very strong indictments showing that russia was very much trying to sway the election. now it's whether or not they can build a bridge to show that the trump team was actively involved in that. >> noe wwhere are we in this timeline? >> i think we're at a crucial point. it's not just the mueller investigation anymore. there are multiple investigations going on. we've got in new york it's clear that federal prosecutors are still pursuing michael cohen. there's an open garage investigation into him that we've learned. in washington, d.c., you know, i think that we are closer to the beginning than the end of the mariia butina russian spy case. we've got paul manafort who has agreed to cooperate with mueller and we don't know what he's going to offer up. on those three different lanes, we've got a lot of road ahead of us.
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>> it's a big white board to be updating no doubt. thank you all for your great conversation. thank you so much. nikki haley's surprise resignation as ambassador to the united nations. how the world reacted to that news. not everyone is so sorry to see her go. plus the blgts attle of a contr congress, we'll look at how the numbers stand right now. the take on whether the democrats still have a shot at the senate. t at the senate
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time now for we said, they said. u.n. ambassador nikki haley offering up her resignation to president trump this week sparking lots of reaction overseas. >> the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. will be stepping down from her post at the end of the year. her announcement to resign marks another high level departure from the donald trump administration. >> during 18 months at the u.n. nikki haley engendered a great deal of respect forming warm personal relationships with those she supported as well as those she so forcibly opposed. >> she tried to present herself as sort of more moderate and pragmatic voice and also as somebody who could sort of deal with her boss. >> so that was asia, the middle east, and europe. several headlines made note of her amicable departure as well. >> she praised not just the president, but his family as well, including jared kushner,
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ivanka trump, and donald trump certainly praised nikki haley. there is no bad blood here. >> the way donald trump spoke about nikki haley, the way nikki haley spoke about donald trump, it was all very amicable. >> speaking at the white house, president trump lathered praise on nikki haley for learning the names of united nations member countries. >> there were differing opinions among several international outlets, though. germany's dw calling haley donald trump's enabler saying she was no moderate. on the opposite side of the spectrum, the -- said haley will be a difficult act to follow with a tough as nails attitude which gained admirers on the right and left. we said, they said. coming out of texas, democratic senator shocking the world with fundraising numbers approximately. as we go to break, "snl" take on
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welcome back. we have just over three weeks to go until voters head to the ballot box on election day. in a new nbc -- rather abc news "washington post" poll that came out today, registered voters say they're absolutely certain to vote has jumped significantly compared to 2014. the question remains as to how that enthusiasm will make it, will translate too actual races and voting day. this is democrats face an uphill battle to take control on capitol hill. let's go to larry sabato. larry, the crystal ball where you keep tabs on all the races across the country. get used to hearing that a lot in the next 23 days. pull it out, my friend. let's look at your crystal ball. what are we seeing? because a week ago we didn't quite have the numbers, at least from neophytes like myself.
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it has really shifted for republicans in many spaces. >> yes. you mean the senate, although you have to balance that with the fact that democrats seem to be solidifying gains in the house. people say how can that happen? how can you have democrats doing better in the house, looking more likely to take control of the house, and at the same time republicans looking much better to hold the senate and maybe even add a seat or two? and the answer is that both sides are getting energized. different things have been energizing them, but they've been moving up. it's probably more significant for democrats because the last couple of elections they haven't been energized. the republican senate candidates by and large are running in red states that are very pro-trump and disproportionate. the key seats in the house are
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suburban and more moderate. that's the difference. we don't have a national election for senate. we have only 1/3 of the senators up and this map heavily favors republicans. the house is more of a national map and that's why democrats an that's why democrats are doing better there. >> you may have seen the numbers coming out of tennessee and there's also texas. roi o'rourke with some $38 million, that's on a presidential scale in terms of what he has raised. but can he spend it in time, if you will? >> he's got plenty of time. you said 23 days and i was thinking, let's see, how many years is that for dogs because that's the way we feel in the political realm these days. o'rourke is a very unusual
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candidate. it is extraordinary that he is running a competitive race in texas. we know, we're always told texas is turning blue except it never does. maybe it will this year, but even if he comes close, given the amount of money reese raised and the enthusiasm he has with young people, don't be surprised to see him in iowa. >> you're talking about political dog years. let's look just back at friday and the market dropped 5%. >> look, with 23 days, who knows how many october surprises there will be. in the trump administration you'll probably have some november surprises even though you only had six days before people vote for five days of november before people vote. so if there's one thing everybody learned from 2016, you need to remember that anything can happen even toward the end
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that can make a big difference. don't pull down the curtain before the end of the play. >> of the senate races, which one are you watching that might be able to shift the tides for democrats since it's shifted the other way for republicans recently? >> i'm looking at arizona and nevada in particular. those are the two republican seats that democrats really have the best chance of winning. they ought to be able to win it in a democratic year, even though those states can vote republican, arizona in particular. it hasn't been working out that way quite, but i wouldn't say the democrats are behind. i'd say it's a tie in both of those races. >> really close. always great to have you, larry. we'll probably talk to you in the 23 dog days before we get to election night. thank you, my friend. >> thank you, richard. >> i want to bring back the senior political respondent and bozle. do you agree with what larry was
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saying here? the other senate races don't look really good for your side of the aisle, but nevada, arizona, maybe. >> senate was always tricky. so i do degree with him. i do want to see what happens in texas. the fundraising that bay toe has done, i have friends in new york, they are not going to be flipping seats but they're doing everything they can to put the efforts into this texas race. that is going to interesting because he's right, we talked about wendy davis in texas some years ago. it always seems like we're getting close but not quite there. >> what do you do with $38 million, my friend? >> tv, mail, put in a bunch of canvassers on the ground. in this twitter universities door to door and the voter vex matters a lot. >> the ground game. katy, who has the best ground
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game on the statewide races and who is getting the support? the right is reallocating resources and go for places where it may be in larry's world, might be just leaning. >> $38 million would certainly help you go a long way on that sort of statewide ground game front, no doubt. but i do think it's important to look at the stingdesignations df them are states where president trump won, we're seeing him traveling where he won where it was close. he has a trip out west this week. to the extent he's doing these rallies and riling up the base,
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that's where the candidates need to turn zblout one thing that's consistent with the numbers is that the strength and energy coming from women and suburban women as well, clearly, we've said that a lot, but it remains strong. that's not going to be good necessarily for the right. >> right. what's so fascinating about this is we'll see the president trump do a rally in arizona that can certainly fire up some voters who are voting statewide on the senate front, but that's certainly going to turn off some of the moderate suburban voters outside of arizona's bigger cities. so this is a challenge we've seen play out across the map. he can do a rally for holly in missouri, but it's going to alienate voters in kansas city. >> in many places here, basil, it's not only general but the economic issues all thrown into this. when we look at theeth thi ethn
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african-american, latino space, doesn't the polling seem high on the latino space? >> you will see substantial turn outacross communities of color. i know that the republicans are scared because they're starting to implement tactics to try to reduce african-american votes. we're seeing this in georgia, we're seeing it in north carolina. so there is going to be energy and that turnout on election day. >> always great to talk to boyfriend. we'll be right back. yfriend. we'll be right back. billions of mouths.
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. that wraps it up for us right here at msnbc. i'm richard lui in f. let's take it to al sharpton at "politicsnation." >> in case you missed it, we had a live show yesterday as well. so yes, "politicsnation" is now twice a week, 5:00 p.m. on both saturday and sunday. tonig tonight's lead, apart from the horse races themselves, the story increasingly dominating coverage is voter suppression because in several red states we've seen allegations that repu

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