"kasie d.c." 7:00 p.m. eastern selecting the person they want to vote for. so we literally have a right here on msnbc. for now, i'm going to turn polarizing side of us and an things over to chris jansing embarrassing side of us. back in new york. >> and congrats to you and our and perhaps that's something that governor-elect desantis is whole capitol hill team for the going to want to look into, is big award you got last night and the fabulous work you've been education. because you have 18-year-olds up doing over the last year. thank you so much. >> thank you for all that you to 60, 70, 80, 90-year-olds who do. >> good afternoon, i'm chris jansing in for ali velshi. cannot properly fill out a ballot! i mean, imagine that. 3:00 on the east coast, and that means the deadline for the >> yeah, i will say that i went florida recount is right now. to get here in new york an all 67 counties across the state of florida are required to have their updated vote totals for governor and senate. but if only it were that easy. we already know that one county, absentee ballot, and the woman was so specific with me, fill in palm beach, won't have the vote the circle. no "x," no check, fill in the totals in time. thauf been having issues with circle. i was like, okay, i got it. old machines overheating. but i was actually glad she said that. they're counting about 175,000 because i did it on a plane and things were bouncing around. ballots by hand. anyway, that's neither here nor >> i'll tell you, it was not for there. the bottom line is, i heard what that professor and that expert lack of trying. just said in the interview with you all have been here. kerry sanders. we've given everything we have. i have one of the best teams in he believes all the votes are the united states. going to be counted. you know, they're really go is that the sense there? ahead people, they've worked >> yeah, i think the sense of really hard. and i will tell you that it's very disappointing.

>> and to complicate things even normal-thinking people, not the tinfoil hat brigade, the sense more, a federal judge ruled is that all the ballots will, in earlier about 4,000 rejected fact, be counted. mail ballots can be counted. a judge just extended and the deadline for that is allowed votes whose signatures saturday, 5:00 p.m. did not match up so they were a reminder, now, of where those disregarded, just allowed people races stand. an extended deadline until at last count, rick scott has saturday at 5:00 p.m. to go, figure out if their ballot was about a 12,000 vote lead over counted, to reaffirm that it was bill nelson. actually them that cast that ron desantis' lead over andrew ballot. so all the votes are going to be gillum is nearly three times counted. and, frankly, i think we'll look that, about 34,000 votes. and once those votes are back on this and say, wow, that was a lot of nonsense and it was officially certified following the machine recount, if either really kind of unbelievable that governor scott allowed to it get race is below 0.25%, it would to this point with all the lawsuits that he has filed. >> well, governor scott automatically trigger a hand recount. so let's get right to florida definitely has been very vocal, with an update on where so has the president, about everything stands right now at allegations of fraud, about the the deadline. nbc's kerry sanders in riviera democrats trying to steal the election. the president tweeting about it. beach in palm beach county. and then he gave an interview yesterday, saying, quote, when boy, i'm having flashbacks to 2000 and being with you there, people get in line that have kerry. votes still being counted where absolutely no right to vote and they go around in circles, you are. lay of the land for us, please. sometimes they go to their car, >> reporter: it's the big fail they put on a different hat, put on a different shirt, come in here. they wanted to try and meet that 3:00 deadline. they failed. and vote again, nobody takes they did not deliver the votes, anything.

it's really a disgrace, what's going on. as they had designed to do. and it's all because of a piece of equipment here that was so is there any evidence that antiquated that the company that people have costumes in their makes it is out of business. cars and are going in and out and when it had problems, they had to run around looking for and changing their look and coming in and trying to vote somebody who knew how to fix it and get it back up and running. again? vote early, vote often? so as you can see over my shoulder right now, there is the >> yeah, only the people carrying the boxes of cereal that we have to worry about as supervisor of elections here, they walk around with their new disguises as they go in to vote. i think that is the dead giveaway that they are voting susan bucher. improperly. but going back and following up the federal judge in this case on what you were saying about governor scott and donald trump if the northern district of florida was asked by the senator and even attorney general pam bondi, i mean, you have to think nelson campaign whether this was about this. the republicans have been in an emergency and whether they charge here in the state of florida for 22 areas! could delay the counting with >> yeah. >> every position of consequence this 3:00 deadline and the judge is a republican. came back and just said, the the secretary of state, the emergency exception does not commissioner of the fdle, apply in this case, where the delay is the result of outdated they're literally almost suing and malfunctioning vote counting and throwing lawsuits against technology. themselves, against their own in other words, an old piece of party! i mean, it's completely equipment is not an emergency. ridiculous. and it's kind of comical to so there will be no delay. watch it all play out. >> dan maduri, always great to so that means that with the 66 counties that did their count, see you. thank you so much for that. it will all go to tallahassee. at least you have plenty to talk we'll see those numbers shortly. about on your radio show. but here in palm beach, under of course, florida is not the

the state law, thar goiey're go only race that is yet to be called. use the first count that they georgia still doesn't know who had. its next governor will be, so they will then use those for though two hours from now, the hand recount, which is where we're headed here. gwinnett county, that's the this county in that first second-largest county in the state, is going to meet to gathering of numbers was about certify its election results. a federal judge ordered the 59.50 in terms of votes that need to be hand recounted, county to review absentee across the state. ballots rejected because of we're probably talking upwards of 200,000 votes that will have issues with birth dates. the latest numbers show that democrat stacey abrams is down to be recounted. by about 55,000 votes. if you're sitting at home scratching your head wondering, she needs about 18,000 more to is this really how it works in florida? yes, it does. trigger a runoff. in fact, it works like this in in mississippi, they're gearing up for a runoff election after most states. the problems are not usually no senate candidate cleared 50% quite as apparent as they are in of the vote. florida. and one of the experts we spoke senator cindy hyde smith will to told us, at the end of the day, everybody's vote will be face former democratic agriculture secretary mike espy, counted. this is what charles zeldin had that's november 27th. to say. >> it's going to be a mess, but in utah, less than a thousand ultimately, all the votes that we can will get counted, and the votes separate incumbent mia number -- the candidate who comes out on top, by one vote, love and ben mcadams for congress. in california, still two wins. >> so you still have faith in undecided races. the system here in florida? in orange county, democrat katie >> the system is working as it porter has about a 4,000-vote normally does. lead over the two-term we always have votes counted incumbent, mimi walters. one district over, two after the election night.

it's just, usually, the gaps are big enough, 2, 3, 4% that it doesn't matter. newcomernewcomers >> reporter: so we just heard are separated by just about a hundred votes. from the supervisor of elections overall, the democratic majority here, susan bucher. has been strengthening by the day, with a gain of 35 house she's going back. seats so far and they're likely at the end of the day, it's to pick up even more of those going to be a very, very tedious process and what happens, outstanding seats. that's more seats, by the way, than they flipped in 2006 amid because you know this, chris, you were there in 2000, they get the unraveling of the iraq war the ballots out, while there's and george bush's talk of not going to be, you know, hanging chads and dimpled chads. weapons of mass destruction. you have to go all the way back they're going to have the ballots out and hold them up and to 1974 after the resignation of look at it and say, did the president nixon to see a bigger voter intend to vote for governor scott? gain. that was 49 seats. did the voter intend to vote for so, yes, the democrats had a bill nelson? blue wave, despite everything and what happens is, sometimes republicans are saying. people don't fill in the little circle that they're supposed or >> we made history by expanding they don't draw the line the way they're supposed to. our majority in the senate. several counties have different methods. sometimes they put a check mark next to the name. we won some great elections in they circle a name. governors' offices around the country. and we didn't really see that maybe the check mark isn't even blue wave in the house of representatives come our way. in the circle, maybe it's just near the name. and then you have a >> let's talk to rick tyler, a conservative strategist, msnbc

representative of the republican party, a representative of the political contributor. so, discuss mike pence believe democratic party arguing back there was no wave for the and forth with the representative from the democrats? elections office. i think that this vote means it is he just being -- was for nelson. no, i believe it was for scott. >> that couldn't have been mike pence. you put somebody else's voice and so it goes back and forth. over -- there's no way he just and then those get set aside. said what he said. >> i was throwing his voice. so at the end of the day, it's a long, tedious process, contentious process. and it's ugly. i mean, that 35-seat -- this would be the only interpretation, that a 35-seat chris? >> kerry sanders, thank you so gain for the democrats is much in riviera beach, florida. actually a win for the for more on what's going on down republican president. >> yeah, more than that, they there, i'm joined by dan maduri, lost the majority, which is a whole different world for the republicans. look, one thing -- the talk radio host of florida >> do they think -- i mean, live. so here we go again. honestly, do they think that what now, dan? does it end this weekend? republicans out there don't know could we be looking at more how to count? challenges? how long does this go on? i mean, i still haven't seen any >> i think you see it going into next week, possibly into the republicans, including the conservatives i've talked to, who said, look, you know, we got thanksgiving week, because you're going to end up in that a shellacking, which is, you manual recount, as kerry was know, we've heard other presidents come out and say, suggesting. governor rick scott and bill look, we got beat! and then they talk about what nelson is going to automatically they're going to do about it. be triggered to that quarter of but we haven't heard that from a point or less. this white house. and it's going to end up needing >> no. and you won't hear that from the white house. >> no, we won't. another manual recount. >> although you have seen so even though that 60 counties president trump's behavior over

out of 67 have already recounted the last week. and it has not been very all the ballots, they're going cheerful, if you -- of all the to have to go through it by hand, a very tedious process, things going on. internally, it looks like, based on reporting and nbc reporting indeed. >> there has been one voter who has been widely quoted because that he's quite distraught about the elections, he's not happy she said, basically, florida has about it. >> well, so what's the smart again become a laughingstock. sort of give us a sense of move for the republicans here? somebody who lives there, who i'm going to put donald trump hears from voters all time, aside. >> oh, my gosh. what's the mood on the ground >> they have -- there is, for there? >> i mean, it's embarrassment. it's got to be embarrassment. example, some bipartisan it's polarization and agreement on criminal justice embarrassment. reform, right? because think of it this simply something we don't hear often. bipartisan cooperation. do they try to get some stuff done, so they can say, look, we can make this work. do they have to play the president's game and be the vocal resistance, no matter what. what do you do if you are a republican now who is going to be coming up for election in two years. >> you have to figure out how to get white affluent, educated women back from the suburbs, because when you combine that coalition with african-americans and hispanics, which the democrats now seem to be

solidifying, that would be a generational realignment. and if that's true, the democrats won't be in charge for a very, very long time. i also believe, chris, and it won't surprise you, that the republicans need to learn to stand up to the president when he is butting up against constitutional, traditional enormous of the white house. and, yes, that may cost another seat, but it's okay. then you go back to being a citizen. but i think in the long run, the damage to the republican party is such that, i don't know that the republican party survives, because what happens is, now the party is so attached to a personality, the way the kadima party in israel was attached to ariel sharon. it doesn't exist anymore. maybe when donald trump leaves, there will be no republican party anymore. i don't know what will replace it, but i really don't think -- i don't think that coalition exists anymore. >> i'm not sure i'm as pessimistic as you are. i think -- >> i don't know if it's

pessimism. it could be a great opportunity. >> an opportunity for what, though, rick? >> another party. >> another system? is it still going to be a two-party system, just a different name on it? what does that accomplish? >> as long as we're a constitutional republican, we're a two-party system. we're not -- a thousand independent parties have come and gone since the beginning of the republican party in 1859. so it seems very unlikely the emergence of a third party is very unlikely, historically. but i think this really does change things. and i've always sort of pooh-poohed independent parties. when ross perot came around with the green party, the libertarian party, which is sort of an oxymoron, but i think there's an opportunity. it depends -- i think things are going to get worse for the president and not better and the republican party is going to figure out that if they want to be in power, assigning yourself with this president as he keeps chipping away at the traditional people who are aligned with the republican party. and if you look at the electoral

map for 2020, the president's got real problems. there's still a challenge. you know, he could lose -- he could lose florida and any other state and lose or you need to beat him in three different states. but remember, in the north -- in the midwest, so you've got michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania. if he loses all three of those, it's over. and remember, we had zero -- the republicans went 0 for 6 in those statewide races, governors and u.s. senate. >> rick tyler, always good to see you. >> thanks, chris. >> thank you so much. coming up, the white house is running smoothly, the president says on twitter, despite reports of turmoil and possible staff shake ups in the west wing, some already. the president also taking shots at robert mueller and his russia investigation. big escalation on that. after the break, we'll dig into what's really going on. you're watching msnbc. 's reallyn you're watching msnbc. i'm a muo embark on a concert tour, with the majority of which will be down south. atlantic city?

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president trump today on another twitter tear against mueller investigation, going after mueller's team as, quote, absolutely nuts. and despite firing a top national security staffer and refusing in an interview to stand behind embattled homeland security secretary, kirstjen nielsen, the president is arguing, all is well inside the west wing. running very smoothly and the results for our nation are obviously very good. we are the envy of the world. but anytime i even think about making changes, the fake news

media goes crazy, always seeking to make us look as bad as possible. very dishonest." with me now from the white house, nbc news' hans nichols. let's start with the whole robert mueller thing. escalation today, for sure. four tweets as long as you can get, capital letters. what did he say? and what do we know about what's behind this latest tweet storm? >> well, he's saying that the mueller investigation is a total mess. he's accusing him of being angry. it's language we've seen over twitter from the president before. to answer your question, chris, what made the difference about this is that the president's legal team is reported to be reviewing the questions that robert mueller's team has submitted to the president. and that's an indication that at least the white house and the president knows where mueller is going. the direction of his inquiry, as they get potentially into the final stages. but, i have to say, aside from the twitter, it's been a fairly

normal day here at the white house. we've had a pretty subdued president. he's had two public engagements, both on the military side. he went down and met with marines at their headquarters, the commandant's headquarters earlier today. they met with some veterans. he's, right now, i believe he's still in a meeting with some senate republicans. now, there isn't an obvious opportunity to talk to republican lawmakers coming out of that to get their sense of what his mood is. but they may be briefing, when they get down to the hill. and chris, remember, they still need to fund parts of the government by december 7th. and there's a big question on whether or not the president is going to get additional funding for that border wall that he so desperately wants. chris? >> yeah, you can almost write the copy for what's coming up. the fight that's coming up. neither of these appearances today, right, hans, there was any opportunity for the press to talk to the president, for him to wander over and answer questions? >> not even from some of my esteemed colleagues to do what they do so well, which is to shout some questions. chris? >> hans nichols at the white house for us, thank you very much. for more on this, i want to bring in yamiche alcindor, white

house correspondent for pbs "newshour." also with us, betsy woodruff, daily beast reporter and an msnbc contributor. so as hans just said, yamiche, the president has actually been lying pretty low this week, even not going to the usual veterans day appearance monday. but now he's unleashing. is this as you -- excuse me -- as you see it, just more pressure building? >> i think it's definitely more pressure building. the president loves photo hops. and he's been really skipping even the most easiest photo ops. you think of the idea that he stayed home after veterans day when he was supposed to be going to arlington cemetery, for people who don't live in d.c. is really, really, really close to the white house. i think it's remarkable that the president hasn't really engaged with the media this week, but it's also not surprising, because i think he's in a bad mood, mainly because of the midterm results that are coming in and these late, breaking midterm results. democrats have been picking up even more seats in the house. and then you have the president having to watch the news and see that he's being -- he's getting criticism for not visiting

veterans, both in france and here in the united states. so i think overall, my reporting is that he's in a bad mood and is kind of tweeting because he's so frustrated. >> yeah, and you have republican senator lindsey graham. he said, he just met with acting attorney general mathew whitaker in his office to talk about the mueller investigation. but betsy, how confident are folks on the hill that whitaker is not going to impede that investigation beyond what we just heard from lindsey graham? >> well, democrats, of course, are deeply distressed about the fact that whitaker now essentially has veto power over the work that mueller is doing. and as a result, a number of senate democrats are considering whether or not they should file lawsui lawsuits, arguing that whitaker's appointment as acting attorney general broke the law or violated their right as the senate to give advice and consent -- >> is that just talk or is that something that could really happen, betsy? >> yes. my understanding from talking with folks over the weekend is that there are very much active conversations about such litigation coming. and additionally, of course, the

state of maryland already sued, charging that the president broke the law, essentially, when he put whitaker in place. now, part of the difference here, of course, is the question of standing. maryland is going to have to prove that they, as a state, were somehow -- or somehow had a right violated due to whitaker's appointment. that's going to be a challenge for them. the standing argument would be comparatively easy, although, still pretty tricky for members of the senate to make, since they actually do have the constitutional right, as specifically laid out in the constitution, the right and responsibility to provide advice and consent to the president on these cabinet-level positions. so among democrats in the senate, there's a high level of distress. among republicans, of course, there's just, generally speaking, more confidence in president trump and the trump administration and the folks that he's installed. >> so, yamiche, clearly robert mueller is eating at the president. and then you also have the other tweet, the smoothly running white house argument he's trying to make. right after that power struggle between the first lady and john bolton's number two and his

right-hand person is carbgone n. she had to pack her bags. and what is it, like a week since he fired his attorney general? you lose track of time in this fast-moving white house. so not the smoothly running white house he's trying to argue about. but inside that white house, what are you hearing about anything that's going on to try to sort of tamp down some of this chaos? >> well, i think that president trump has also been very clear that there could be more changes coming. he feels as though it's unfair for people to point out that the change s happening in his administration are really abnormal, because there have been changes in past administrations after the midterms. the point is, of course, is that this white house has been in flux, in more ways than other past white houses. and you have the president really berating people on twitter. it's not just that he fired jeff sessions. it's that for weeks and even months, he publicly berated jeff sessions, really, and called into question the very role of

the department of justice. i think inside the white house, there are a lot of aides who are trying to figure out how to make the president feel a little bit better, how to make the president really get out of this funky mood that he's in. but i think in some ways, the president needs time to think through kind of what he can do and how he can be effective now that democrats are holding control of the house. and also, now that he has publicly backed people who lost. i think -- i think that the president always wants to look like a winner. he always wants to have people that are loyal to him. and right now, he's not -- in his own mind, at least, he doesn't feel like he's a winner, because of some of the losses that republicans took. and also, in terms of loyalty, this is not trump tower. he doesn't have people that he's known for 20 years surrounding him. he's largely still with a staff that a lot of people don't know. remember, we still don't know who wrote that anonymous op-ed, when they were talking about this real -- this almost like subgroup of white house aides who were working against the president. he still don't know who that was. so you can tell that the president, obviously, doesn't trust everybody around him. >> yamiche al sercindor, betsy

woodruff, thanks to you both. up next, we're live in florida where the deadline for the recount just passed. the latest right after this, here on msnbc. oh!

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take a look at these live pictures in florida. we are at half past 3:00. that was the deadline, 3:00 in florida for thousands of ballots to be counted. nbc political reporter ali vitali is in tallahassee following all of the latest developments. and that looks familiar to me from the year 2000, where i stood right there, probably, for 36, 37 days. what's the latest? okay, east coast time, we're 31 minutes past the deadline. where are we? >> reporter: so that deadline has passed, you're right. the deadline for all the counties in florida to report their machine recount totals. that deadline has passed. and i know that palm beach county is supposedly not going to meet that deadline, but there are 66 other counties in the state that will. we're refreshing the website that the secretary's office gave us. our producer is continuously hitting the little refresh icon on our phone. i'm sure he'll wave to us if we

get anything while we're talking. but there are two things that happened that we should bring attention to. the first is a moot point, because it was supposed to extend the recount deadline for any counties like palm beach that wouldn't have met this now passed 3:00 deadline. but there is a third thing to update on. the second thing out of the court today, and that's that the judge denied a motion to release a list of people whose signatures were mismatched and who will now have an opportunity until saturday to cure or get counted, their vote, that was confused by some signature mismatching. and that's important. that's a win -- well, that's not a win for anybody, really. because the judge says he doesn't want to be used by the nelson camp or the rick scott camp to be going after individual voters. so really a lot of things coming out of the court today. we still have several court cases that will be heard. and really the goal for the nelson team is when they're bringing these cases is to increase the number of votes that come back into play. i'm talking about, yes, votes that were excluded for things like signature mismatching, but also vote-by-mail ballots that

they would like to see included. and of course, they've been talking a lot about the undervotes in broward county. so really their goal is to get as many votes back into play as possible, and to hope that that can increase bill nelson's vote share. there's a 12,000-some-odd vote margin between nelson and scott. so both sides have doing the spin factor, saying, of course rick scott or bill nelson will be the next senator if florida. of course, we have no idea who will be the next senator from florida as it stands right now. >> and a lot of experts have pointed out, we don't write as much as we used to. they don't even teach writing, cursive, in a lot of schools. so the fact that there's these mismatches may just have to do with our digital lives right now. ali vitali, i know you're going to stay there, you'll stay on top of things for us. thank you so much for that. but coming up, facebook under intense fire. a scathing report from "the new york times" exposing the company's ties to a conservative lobbying firm that aimed to discredit facebook's critics, in part by linking them to liberal philanthropist, george soros.

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trolls and hate speech, with searing criticism of its leadership. "the times" says its report is based on interviews with more than 50 people, including current and former facebook employees and executives, though not ceo mark zuckerberg or chief operating officer, sheryl sandberg. facebook has slammed the report, saying it's filled with inaccuracies, but it also quickly fired that d.c. company that it had used to spread stories about its critics and the competition. let's start by looking at some of the investigation's key findings. "the times" reports that by the spring of 2016, facebook was seeing signs that russian trolls were infiltrating the social media platform. as employees traced more ads, pages, and groups back to russia, facebook realized the situation had become, as one executive put it, a five-alarm fire. but zuckerberg and sandberg were so focused on growth, they ignored the warning signs, is the allegation, tried to conceal them from the public. and zuckerberg publicly, of course, downplayed the problem just after the 2016 election.

>> personally, i think the idea that, you know, fake news on facebook of which, you know, it's a very small amount of the content, influenced the election in any way, i think is a pretty crazy idea. >> in a lengthy blog post today, facebook said that zuckerberg and sandberg are deeply involved in efforts to fight fake news and misinformation. quote, we've acknowledged publicly on many occasions, including before congress, that we were too slow to spot russian interference on facebook, as well as other misuse. we've invested heavily in more people and better technology to improve safety and security on our services. but as facebook was under increasing pressure over russian interference, facebook hered the republican opposition firm definers public affairs, using political oppo research targets,

they helped spread news about kboo google and apple. definers also tried to discredit facebook's critics by linking them to liberal philanthropist, george soros, who's a frequent target of conservatives. facebook says it did not ask definers to pay for or write articles on facebook's behalf or to spread misinformation. and again, after "the times" article posted, facebook ended its contract with them. joining us now to talk a closer look at this, dylan byers, nbc news senior media reporter and author of "the byers market" newsletter. tony ramos, technology reporter for "the washington post." you both just got off a call with mark zuckerberg. i want to ask both of you for your headline for this. dylan, let me start with you. >> the headline is that his company has run away from him. i mean, facebook has run away from mark zuckerberg. z >> does he get that from the call? is that your breimpression? >> no, he doesn't get this. this opposition research firm you're talking about, he says he wasn't aware of the work he was doing for facebook, until he

read "the new york times" report. now, look, "the new york times" suggests that sheryl sandberg is in control of a lot of the political lobbying efforts. then he says sheryl sandberg hasn't even read this report. so if the question is that you've got this opposition research firm, which you fired, because it doesn't align with your values and you and sheryl sandberg don't even know that you've hired it to work for your company and are not aware of the work that it's doing, you can talk all you want about growth and making the world a better place, but if your company is going out and hiring firms like that, with or without your knowledge, clearly something's wrong here. and clearly -- >> well, yeah, it does seem to me that you sort of have tony, only, two ways to look at that, if zuckerberg is saying, look, i didn't know about it and sheryl sandberg didn't know about it. either nobody at the top is in control of what they say that they are committed to doing, which is to make sure that this is followed, gotten under control, that they figure out ways to do this better, so there

isn't election interference, so there isn't this kind of trolling, et cetera, et cetera, or they're not telling the truth or, i don't know, what's your impression? is it possible that this firm was operating, tony, and neither sheryl sandberg or mark zuckerberg knew? >> i mean, it's possible, but really at the end of the day, the issue here is that facebook got caught red-handed doing the same sort of things that you might expect to see a big bank or an energy giant doing in washington. now, some of us look at this and we may laugh and say, of course these companies are hiring lobbyists and pr consultants. but this is still a relatively new thing for these silicon valley companies. there are a little bit of rose-tinted glasses when it comes to dealing with politics. and sometimes there's a bit of a reckoning when they realize they are playing by the same dirty rules that many other older industries are playing by in washington. and i think that's why you're hearing folks like zuckerberg coming out and saying, hey, this doesn't encapsulate our values,

while in reality, a lot of other companies are doing the exact same thing in order to stave off regulation. and that's where the buck stops here. is facebook finally going to be regulated as lawmakers try to address some of the missteps that zuckerberg and others were talking about on the call today. they hired a firm like definers to stop that regulation and now we'll see if lawmakers begin to act. >> i think it is a key point of this. and one of the things that the "new york times" talks about is that when zuckerberg went and was on the hot seat and answering questions before congress, that he pulled aside a senator and it was shocking to this member of congress that he didn't seem to get just exactly what the members of congress, what a lot of people out in the country think about them. dylan, can he possibly still be in that same place that he does not get where they are, what this means for them? >> yeah, i do think that's possible. i think mark zuckerberg is sort of operating on a different plain than most people. and i think he thinks about

facebook -- this is just based off of my conversations with various facebook sources. i think he thinks about facebook in really grand, historical terms. and i think he thinks about it in global terms. and i think he thinks about the impact that he's having on society. >> well, what, they have 2.2 billion people. so there is some justification for that. >> for sure. and i think he sees reports like this or i think he sees the media or congress sort of lose their mind over, you know, fake news or things like that. and i think in his mind, he's like, look, this is a really small part of what facebook's overall contribution to society is. and he gets -- he's a programmer at heart and he gets down in the weeds and he goes, all right, this is how we're going to fix this problem and this problem and this problem and we're going to go through that. and what he doesn't realize is that that's all well and good. but to be a company with this influence and to be a big that's as big as it is, you need leaders in the room who can shepherd that company through some of the moral questions, through some of the public relations questions, understanding every facet of the

company, including hiring and opposition research firm like this. and that is where the question comes up, which is, is mark zuckerberg really best suited to really run his own company? and that is a question, given the amount of power he has over the shares and over the board, that's really a question that only he can answer. >> and we're already hearing from folks on capitol hill, so to be continued. dylan byers, tony rahm, thanks to both of you. the president has announced that he's going to be heading out west on saturday to meet with survivors of california's deadly wildfires that continue ti to incinerate entire towns. officials are recovering more bodies and the death toll has now climbed officially to 56, the majority of those coming from the camp fire, which is the deadliest wildfire in california history. the sheriff's office in butte county announced an updated list of the names of people missing. it is now at a staggering 297. that is more than double what it was yesterday. and still to come, a bipartisan effort backed by

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crime. there's a better way to, while they're jail and in prison to find the roots of why they got there and let's make some progress to get them, when they come back out to be active and productive citizens. this is about doing the best with our tax dollars while taking into account, these are human beings and if they want, they can have redemption. >> kevin, you have firsthand knowledge you probably wish you didn't have, but based on that, what does this bill do? what do you think is the most important thing from your perspective? >> well, from my perspective, this recognizes that when someone does time, the whole family serves that time with them. that, you know, this is a traumatic thing for families. you know, they usually very far apart from their loved ones who are in prison. it's hard to keep that -- those family ties. and if people can't be compassionate for the offender, for the person who made the mistake, they should at least recognize that 94% of everyone who is serving in prison today is going to come home today.

they're going to come back to our communities and that's in red states and blue states, towns and cities. they'll be our neighbors again. and so we want them to come back better than they went in. and when i was in prison, i saw people who wanted to have a second chance but while they were there uthey got no programming, no training, no drug or alcohol treatment. nothing that was going to help them get back on their feet. and it was a complete waste of time and resources. so i think what, you know, congressman has been able to do here and he's been a champion is put together a bill that says while people are away, let's do everything we can to make them better and it will make society safer. >> let me read some statistics that i think give some people pause about some things in this bill. it's from the bureau of justice statistics recently releasing this study on the rate of prisoners arrested again, recidivism rate. 68% of prisoners released from state jails were arrested within three years. 79% within six years. 8 3% within nine years.

so i guess the question becomes, congressman, if you try to give them some sort of training, if you try to help them reintegrate into society, is that wasted taxpayer money given these overwhelming statistics? or does it argue for your bill? >> no, i mean, in fact, it argues for our bill. kevin makes a great point. we're not giving people a chance when they get out. those statistics are screaming to anybody who wants to look at this and saying this is exactly why we need a piece of legislation like this because that's what's happening, the way we're doing it now. if we want to continue to have recidivism rates, then let's do nothing, let's give into the fear and misinformation. but let's start giving people an opportunity in those state and local which have been the laboratories for this. places like georgia, kentucky, in particular, which i want mitch mcconnell to put this bill on the floor. his own state is seeing the benefits of this. texas and others. we need it because it actually

will work. it's about time the federal government and the state to follow the state's lead into doing good, proper spending and proper help so we can get the workforce we need and also give people redemption and a second chance. those statistics, all they say to me is we need to do this and we need to do it fast. >> this includes a provision that reduces the three strikes penalty for felony drug offenses from life behind bars to 25 years, but the provision would not be retroactive. i'm wondering if there are things about this bill that concern you, and sort of how you are feeling overall about where we are in the country. if you feel confident that we are in a place where compromise, bipartisanship like this can happen. >> there's very few issues you'll find bipartisanship on, but this is one of them. congressman collins has worked with hakim jeffreys of new york. we've seen bipartisan cooperation in the senate over a number of years. i think the bill passed in the

house with an overwhelming majority. it would in the senate as well. president trump who ran a law and order campaign, you know, endorsed it yesterday. and when you talk to the families of prisoners, they are not concerned at all about the politics of this. when somebody is drown, they don't care about the politics of the person who throws them a lifeline. they just want to be saved. and for the tens of thousands of families out there who are suffering under the weight of this broken system that we have, they are just looking for progress. and so i agree with congressman collins. i hope senator mcconnell brings this up. i think it would get 80 or 90 votes. it's as close to unanimity as we'll get in this country on any issue. >> we'll continue to follow this. we thank you for your time. much appreciated. >> thank you. and we'll be right back. they didn't work for me. i didn't think anything was going to work for me until i tried chantix. chantix, along with support, helps you quit smoking. chantix reduced my urge to smoke.

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that wraps up the hour for me. before i go, a quick update on where we stand in the florida recount. we still are no closer to having any official results for either senator or governor. of course, we've got our teams there. when we get them, we'll have them for you right away. until then, look for me to twitter. thanks for watching this hour. "deadline white house" with nicolle wallace starts right now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. the expression used to go, when america sneezes, the world catches a cold. well, what exactly does a world catch when the leader of the free world has a meltdown. the source close to the president tells me today that

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