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research center. get it? of course, for misbehaving children i'd just go with a lump of clean coal. that's all for tonight, we'll be back with more "mpt daily" tomorrow. "the beat" with ari mel buber ip next. >> there's no bet place to cover a close race than broward county, florida. >> the florida of florida. good luck, thank you, sir. today is the day. moments ago the state made it official, a second recount in this photo finish senate race and this is by hand. the first recount showed the votes similar to where we were last week. rick scott up 12,603 votes over the democratic senator bill nelson. the margin? 41 votes higher than in the initial results. talk about a squeaker, but the
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story also included confusion, lawsuits and even some missing votes as some counties failed to meet today's deadline. >> we gave a heroic effort and given three or four more hours it might have made the time. that was heroic effort and we completed uploading our saturday results as is required in law. >> that was palm beach county. quite messy. hillsboro county also saying they have to resubmit their original results because they had two power outages during the recount, counting roughly 850 fewer votes than they had from the original election day calculation. here in broward, the center of so much controversy, election supervisor brenda snipes not answering questions when they announced they finished the recount. >> reporter: do you know how many votes we have? >> i'm sorry, we've been desperately trying to get the report done. we'll put it on the web site and everybody will be able to view
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it. >> i was in that room today and it was not exactly a show of force. when they did announce the numbers, there are about 2,000 fewer votes than the initial results. that's not a good thing because it would raise the question of where those votes went. a reporter who will join us as part of our coverage writing every reporter in the room was confused about the discrepancy. >> reporter: can you go over that one more time? please read it one more time. >> the number in the governor's race doesn't seem to add up. >> basically, we have -- we were unable to get all those vote by mail duplicates up in time for the 3:00 upload so those did not get uploaded and those are the votes that were uploaded. >> reporter: how did you meet the deadline. >> i uploaded by 3:00 like i'm supposed to. >> reporter: are those identical to the first count or have they changed slightly? >> they have changed slightly.
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>> because we haven't finished. >> we have not finished. i. >> all week, there's been protesters gathered outside of the building where you just saw inside this elections office and today i spoke with some of the people here. what brought you out here today and how do you feel now that they've met the deadline. >> a lot of us out here are the grass-roots boots on the ground. i didn't think it would be a close race. >> what brings you here? >> i want to make sure every legal vote is counted. >> i'm a democrat and we've been fighting to count every vote. we just want to count the votes. >> i have to ask you, who's your friend here? >> this is desiree. she's a a little trumpster. >> when did desiree decide she was for trump. >> when he was running. >> so he didn't mess around with cruz. this is maga day one. >> he is not a democrat. >> trump happy.
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she's been to the bridge, she greets him at the bridge. he's given her a thumb's up for from the limo. donald trump jr. has gotten out and patted her. >> can i shake her hand? nice to meet you. what brought you out to watch the recount? how are you feeling? >> i'm just -- listen, i'm nervous. i hope we're winning. i want to be like trump, yes, we're winning but i believe there's some corruption growing on. >> even though they've released these numbers now and we were just discussing the democratic par gin went down about 600 votes you're concerned about what? >> they're going to find them in that enterprise or maybe go to the doggie park and get the dog votes. they might go to this t shelters and see -- desiree, do you want to vote? >> dogs have a lot of rights, they don't have the right to vote. >> my dog was not counted. i'm really upset. >> that's true, dogs don't have the right to vote. let me bring in our panel. jason johnson is politics editor
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for the root and a friend of "the beat." patrick murphy back on the show, he was with us earlier and alicia menendez, a co-host of pbs's "amanpour & company." jason, this building behind us has been controversial. they returned the votes and found the democrat going down a little bit. where do you see this going now? does that give people confidence the democratic fix wouldn't be in? >> that won't matter to republicans who think everything is fixed. i talked to people with their q anonshirts who think this whole something a scam and votes have been created out of thin air. so that won't change the conspiracy theorist. but the democrats and independents, they're concerned. the vote count is changing. it's like instant replay. we don't care if it takes a long time, we just want to make sure you get the call right. and you should haven't these discrepancies and you'll have
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lawsuits and there will be concerns after monday. >> so you're taking the nuanced double position here. on the one hand, there is not the kind of fraud the president has lied about. on the other hand, florida doesn't do elections that well. >> they don't and they don't even illicit the kind of passion you need. i was walking around this community area. this elections center exists in a separate universe. i asked people are you concerned about the recount and they're like no, they're concerned about the dolphins and everything else. you would think there would be more people concerned about the future of their representation. >> it's frustrating how few people are concerned about what happened in this election. this is the future of so many of our lives. of our livelihood here in florida. and we had the pride of saying we had senator bill nelson and we thought he'd get reelected and we thought we'd have andrew
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gillum. 41 of 42 polls said gillum was going to win. everyone was excited about it, the rallies, it was obamaesque, yet senator nelson and gillum have lost it appears and people are going about their lives after the passion that was there. >> you're saying tonight you think they're losing. but these races are not called. that's whey we're in a double recount. >> statistically speaking when you're in this scenario, very few get overturned when you're talking about over 10,000. we have one democrat statewide, nickie fried, our agriculture commissioner, she's going to do a great job. she's up over 5, 000 votes but that's going to a manual recount so 27 statewide recounts in the last 15 years period where they did a study. only three reversed the first initial results hae th s that yd
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those were a swing of 282 votes, not 12,000. >> i think this is bigger than florida or gillum or nelson. this is about a moment in our country's history the country feels so bitterly divided along partisan lines. clearly the state feels divided along those lines so what is the one thing you can do in a moment when your democracy feels that fragile? you can guarantee the participation, that electoral participation, is guaranteed so i don't think it's a bad move for democrats to say we are going to be the party who insists that every vote gets counted even if at the end of the day that means we lose. >> exactly right. democrats aren't alleging fraud or complaining that the results are coming up with these conspiracy theories. it's about let's do this right not fast. and my case not that it's about me, but my vote didn't count. i'm a former democratic member of congress and my singh dhur hasn't changed in 20 years and my vote didn't count.
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and on the one hand your right to vote is important, on the other you've been dining on that story all week. [ laughter ] >> it's not about me, ari. >> it clearly is about you but this is exposing that we have a system not set up for optimal participation so part is about this signature match. my signature changes every five minutes so less you that yours has been the same for 20 years but there are other things. do we want to be a country that shifts to automatic voter registration such that the onus of registering people to vote gets thrust back on the government rather than the individual. do we want to have same day voter reg administration? do you want to have universal online reservation? that's what we should be talking about. >> so we were been sticking to the facts. but i want to dig into the politics which is you have a republican party where even when it's on pace to win for the
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reasons just stated there is a complete attack on the listening masy of an election system that republicans in florida oversaw. miss snipes came to power under jeb bush. governor scott is in charge of florida. so if there are problems in the way these elections are being administered that starts with him and they don't seem to care. does that concern you for our democracy? >> of course. he was basically sending troops after snipes just a couple days ago because he was mad he wasn't going to win. not only have these attacks problematic but the inherent dishonesty of saying this system is corrupt until i'm winning. literally the counts today expanded the lead for most of the republicans so if anyone cared about the functioning of florida and the country, you would say the first thing i'm going to do now that i'm in office, i'm going to clean up these election machines. the undercount between the governor governors race and senate race.
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but i don't think the republican party is interested in that. they're interested in screaming we have a corrupted system by depth depths. >> the irony is everyone expects scott to win but if you follow his logic he has been ushered into office with n an election he believes was rife with fraud. so that would delegitimize his own pow er. >> the whole thing daunt make sense. >> doubling down here. i hate to be a pessimist but i think donald trump and rick scott are laying the ground work for 2020 where we are going to probably have a close election assuming trump is still in office but going to lay the ground work for fraud and conspiracy. who knows where that goes but the fact that we're having this conversation about signatures, about machines overheating is somewhat laughable. >> do you want to meet us in two years. >> let's schedule it right now. it will probably be broward and
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palm beach again. >> will you be telling your story about the 2018 election? >> i'm hanging on too that forever. >> narrative is important if you're a candidate for office. i'm going to fit in a break jachlt son, alicia, stay with me. coming up. we have more. donald trump lashing out at mueller and claiming to have inside knowledge about the investigation. and the blue wave getting bluer. we'll tell you about the new democratic wins in the house and what could be the fight of nancy pelosi's political life. some democrats saying maybe she doesn't have the votes. and later the architect of donald trump's obamacare repeal is out of a job, too. i'm ari melber and you're watching a special edition of "the beat" on msnbc. eat" on msn. coaching means making tough choices.
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we're working to make things simple, easy and awesome. donald trump has spent the last three days with his lawyers working on answers for bob mueller and apparently it's getting under his skin because now he's lashing out at the entire russia probe, despite his new ag. trump saying "the inner workings of the mueller investigation are a total mess." that's the first time he's claimed to have knowledge of the inner workings of mueller's team. this comes after he named matt whitaker to oversee the probe. he says mueller's prosecutors are screaming and shouting at people, horribly threatening them to come up with the answers they want. that doesn't match from what we know from bob mueller's public life and the leakproof investigation he's been running the. special counsel's office had no
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comment on any of this. a federal judge ruled against the company run by a man known as putin's chief and said mueller's charges against that operation will stand. i'm joined tonight by former federal prosecutor paul butler and still with me on the ground is jason johnson. paul, what does it tell you that donald trump that has put someone in he thinks is better than rod rosenstein and jeff sessions and his goals for the doj and he's still full my nating against this probe? >> so something is making president trump run scared. ari, i think there are three possibilities. the most nefarious is that his dude matt whitaker is in charge of the investigation, he's getting information from mueller. i hate to think that he's sharing that information with the president but you can't rule that out. other more benign possibilities are that he is debriefing or his legal team is debriefing other
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witnesses to the grand jury and they're allowed to tell anybody what happens. prosecutors can't say what happened but witnesses can. the third possibility is his own lawyers are meeting with special counsel mueller. prosecutors usually give defense attorneys a heads up about what's coming down the pike, what could be coming down the pike is more indictments, including against roger stone or against donald trump jr. >> you mentioned donald trump jr., he was out saying he's not worried. jason, take a look. >> are you scared you could go to jail? >> i'm not because i know what i did and i'm not worried about that. that doesn't mean they won't try to create something. we've seen that happen with everything but again i'm not. >> he's not worried. >> yeah, i don't buy that. it's like the old "chappelle show" sketch, "i'll go to jail." he doesn't want to go to jail. he's terrified and he's been saying this for weeks now.
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the issue is he doesn't know what kind of charges could be coming. that's what's interesting is i think the inside is a mess. they don't know. they're spit balling. they hope mueller will leak. this whole investigation has been a steel trap. they've been the new england patriots. they don't leak, they don't talk, no one knows anything and everyone is hoping when the indictments come out -- because they'll come soon they're hoping the charges aren't things they can't get out of court. >> i wouldn't compare mueller to the patriots because he can't cheat. >> it doesn't count as cheating if you still win. >> eagles fan. >> that's a bigger issue than the russia controversy to get into that. i'm out of my depth but i want to ask you what it means that we're out of the so-called quiet period. our viewers have learned about how it's not a but but there is a tradition of avoiding big moves. donald trump may not care but
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he's waited to do the whitaker thing maybe because he thought it would look bad but mueller hasn't done anything big in public yet. do you interpret anything from that? >> absolutely. robert mueller respects the norms and traditions of the justice department. the justice department is not political and it tries not to influence how elections come out so there's been this policy of a 60-day rule. you don't make noise in a case that might have political implications but then after you can file stuff like what we saw filed yesterday with this clue about rick gates so -- >> let me read that and get your analysis on it. a lot of people have been zeroing in on this. i'm going to read what we have. this is from a new filing reporting gates, as you mentioned, mueller saying "defendant gates continues to cooperate with respect to, quote, several ongoing
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investigations," paul. >> this is juicy. we know other people are ready for sentencing like george papadopoulos, michael flynn. but this is saying he's not ready. so even after paul manafort got fired rick gates stayed on with the trump campaign, he was riding around in the trump plane of august of 2016, he was the campaign representative to the rnc and he was part of the trump inaugural team so he knows stuff and it's in his interest to tell mueller everything he knows. he's looking at ten years in prison. the more goods he gives up, the less time he does. whatever he's told mueller is good enough that mueller wants to keep listening. >> paul, when we see several
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ongoing investigations, it's a reminder that while there's been so much discussion about what whitaker could do, there is a set of open investigations in new york, totally different prosecutors related to michael cohen confessing to crimes relating to the campaign as well as whatever else they're looking a at. >> whitaker directly supervises mueller now thanks to the president's move. he's still the boss of u.s. attorneys all over the country but he should not be involved in direct supervision so mueller very savvy farmed off aspects of this investigation to other u.s. attorneys, that insulates those investigations in part but republican mueller still got the meat and potatoes. his jurisdiction is collusion and obstruction. he's hanging on the that. there was the idea that there's going to be report soon and mueller will go back to whatever
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he was doing. that filing yesterday didn't suggest that. it looks like mueller has a ways to go. >> so you're getting into the art chart here. your point is while the special counsel is by its nature and name special and we knew all about rosenstein and now whitaker and having direct oversight interaction, you're saying the u.s. attorney level stuff it wouldn't be appropriate for whitaker to be involved in that day to day? >> not in a direct supervisor way. he gets to make the ultimate judgment call which is why there is still grave concern about matt whitaker being the chief law enforcement officer in the united states given all these personal and professional conflicts that he's got. because he's the boss of the u.s. attorneys. >> we're down here in miami where we've been hearing about the other boss -- rick ross.
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rick ross the boss. >> and if you're in miami, this attorney general has exposure there, that's where the fraud that the company he was on the board of ran. there's an fbi investigation in miami. he's kind of the boss of that investigation as well. this man is a walking conflict of interest. >> paul butler, knowing every nook and cranny. i was going to leave but i'll go back to jason and say why is so much stuff going down in florida? >> because you have so many different opportunities here politically and financially to get yourself in trouble. whether you're cutting deals at mar-a-lago, whether you're cutting deals to mess with the vote, this is a state where everything happens and maybe at some point everything will happen to the good for american democracy. we don't know that yet. >> in our reporting -- i'm not saying if this is 100% true -- but i was told that brew waowar county is called the florida of florida. >> i believe that. >> jason stays, paul butler,
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thank you for walking us through those intricacies. we'll turn now to democrats flipping yet another seat when we're back in 30 seconds. we're back in 30 seconds the united states postal service makes more holiday deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. ♪ with one notable exception. ♪ the full value of your new car? you'd be better off throwing your money right into the harbor. i'm gonna regret that. with liberty mutual new car replacement, we'll replace the full value of your car. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ breaking news in broward county. broward county admits they submitted their recount numbers two minutes late and thus, you should the rules, the results apparently will not count.
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i want to tell you what that means. the entire developments, the drama, the protest, the counting, everything going on behind me the last few days according to this breaking news, that would be for nothing because the state is going to use the original vote totals while this manual recount proceeds under state law. can't make it up. we'll have more on that throughout the hour but we're not ignoring the national developments, the blue wave is growing as an epic rebuke of donald trump. today another democrat flipping a republican-held seat. this is jared golden beating another republican in maine. they have solidified the most seats in the house in decades and that could continue to grow. the party debating how to go forward and congresswoman marsha fudge emerging as a challenger to nancy pelosi's bid to be speaker once again. she said she's been overwhelmed by support she's getting and
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pelosi responded today with this. >> reporter: if the election were held on the house floor, would you have to votes to be speaker? >> yes. >> what do you think of marcia fudge? >> i say it to everybody. come on in, the water is warm. >> i'm joined by january schakowsky of illinois backing pelosi as well as david jolly, a former republican congressman from florida. given this breaking news, congressman jolly, your view of your great state not counting the broward refound on a two-minute technicality. >> you can't make it up. we're going to have to visit election reform but what it comes down is whether or not the under counts in broward hold enough votes for him. we'll see during the hand
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recount in 48 hours. >> congresswoman schakowsky, my good news for you is with didn't book you to talk about florida's problems and i won't ask you about them at this juncture but i'll ask you about this leadership team. many people are excited about this four decade level historic endorsement from the american public, over a seven-point margin but as you know a debate about nancy pelosi. what about some democrats saying she's done a fantastic knob but there's room for new voices. >> nancy pelosi is responsible for in blue wave. made sure she went to just about every state.
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it's astounding that anybody in the democratic caucus at a moment of great victory and opportunity would want to unseat this wonderful woman who has the speaker of the house the last time brought us the kind of health care that millions of americans are benefitting from right now. and i'm disturbed that if there's another name then let's have a vote. that's what nancy was referring to in that clip. i would assure you nancy pelosi would overwhelmingly win and will win and vote within the caucu caucus. >> well, she certainly had the votes then and she does know how to count. let me play my colleague rachel maddow asking a question i think dove stales with your argument which is if the house did so
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well, why is there talk about replacing nancy pelosi when the senate democrats didn't do as well? take a look. >> so a lot of things are percolating. today house democrats made noise about the possibility of choosing someone other than nancy pelosi to be the democratic leader and the speaker of the house in the democratic controlled congress. this would be a classic democratic party move. the party loses seats in the senate and so they make zero changes to their senate leadership. >> would you say if there's a change to be made it would start with schumer and not pelosi? >> well, why would it be nancy pelos pelosi? we're talking about a very small group within the caucus that is saying that they will deprive nancy pelosi of being the
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speaker, a position he so well deserve deserves. so it's a creation of utter chaos. it's astounding and frustrating that this small group would try to take that away. and i do think there's sexism he here. there's a trending hashtag, five white guys and their effort to take this away from her when she would be the only woman at the table with the top leaders in our country. i think that's important in and of itself.
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>> and do you think it's something else that you know about from within the caucus. >> even age is raised. it's like more like it's time to move on and move out and i resent that. >> all fair points. david jolly, your view? >> i do think it's time for a change. i'm not inside the democratic caucus. i'm no longer a republican. i just think that after an election -- >> what are you, man? what are you at this point? >> i'm an independent. i'm just putting my analyst hat on and suggesting i'm surprised after this election there's an opportunity missed for democrats not reaching for change. and the inspiration seemed to come from beto, it came from gill and abrams and the
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leadership team of ten years ago surprises me. >> can i push you on that briefly. >> sure. you just named people, though, i think the congresswoman schakowsky's point, who lost. beto didn't get the promotion. gillum is still in a recount but is not ahead. so you're naming people who got attention but didn't win the way that pelosi put together a winning coalition. your rebuttal, sir. >> or ocasio cortez or the people who won the suburbs. aagree. nancy pelosi is a skilled tactician. she was a successful speaker of the house. she also presided over the loss of the house in 2010 and over eight years in the minority for democrats so for democrats who have been asking for change, it surprises me. i think chuck schumer, maddow is right, he should probably go. on the issue of is it because nancy pelosi is a woman? no, i think mitch mcconnell should go.
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not because his a man but because he's the face of the pa past. nancy pelosi is probably the most skilled to go toe to toe with donald trump but i think it's a return for the past at a time when the democrats and the country are asking to go forward. >> but let me just say even in the years in the minority, nancy was able to run circles around the republicans, get appropriations bills with no poison pill riders. the people who brought us this victory have supporting nancy pelosi. they want to see her, that woman, that skilled woman, the best fighter that we have, the best progressive that we have to be our leader and i think these renegades will find there is a price to pay. not in the way let's have a real
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vote. let's have an honest democratic small d election. it's no way out for them that i can see. nancy will win. >> strong words, a lot of passion there. we'll be watching. congresswoman schakowsky and congressman jolly, thank you both. you've been inside that body. we appreciate your insights. >> i would toss it back to you as the legal expert of the three of us, i didn't go to law school. is this grounds for yet another legal case? there have been several dozen at this point? is this something that the nelson campaign chooses to go back to the courts with? >> you certainly in a situation when you're building on two-minute delay and whether
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there was uploaded and why was it process ed. we were just having a conversation about why the legitimacy of this matters and why doing it matters and it doesn't change the outcome and everyone not a donald trump conspiracy theory understands that nelson has a deficit that historically is unlikely to be overcome but having been inside there for several days and watched the machine counting. the idea that this is wiped out over a two-minute delay is a farce and also very florida. >> florida and a waste of time. a waste of resources. thousands and hundreds of thousands of dollars of time and money have been spent throughout this state in this region to do this count and have it get wiped away because somebody can't figure out what their watch is supposed to do. but the long-term issue is going to be what can we do to make
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sure this doesn't happen in 2020. i promise you, if this happens at a presidential level. if rick scott could threaten to send cops a after the board of directors at the precinct, you don't think donald trump wouldn't send the army to a state he thought was somehow denying him a proper vote count? that is the implication. that would do two minutes could be two months, a lifetime in our democracy if we have problems down the road. >> i've spent my entire life defending the great state of new jersey and now you're forcing me to defend the great state of florida. i think about the fact that this is the state where we had the tragic parkland shoot iing so is them we have to keep in the forefront of our mind. this is one of the first times we'll be able to participate civically in our democracy and
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they deserve better than this, right? >> you make an important point for all of us to consider as we have this breaking news and i've been telling viewers. broward county won't count the tally from the recount because it was submitted two minutes late. that's brand new. but to widen out to what you're saying, when i say florida, that's short hand for the florida elections officials and the policy choices made by individuals including republican governor rick scott. allowing ex-convicts, that will change the entire voting populatio population. >> and when i think back to the young people, one of the leaders of march for our lives said our
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politics is not built to match the speed and ferocity of my generation. and i'm thinking of her a lot as we see that our actual machinery is not equipped to match the speed and ferocity. clearly there are bigger issues and the issues are infrastructure issues, there are also personnel issues. and the clock is ticking. >> alisa menendez and jason johnson. up ahead, a federal judge as their view saying florida is the laughing stock of the world. that was before this breaking news. we have a special report on all of that. but also what trump supporters are saying they've learned when the initial recount tally showed that the democrat was slipping in votes. we're back live from broward county next. >> i didn't even think it would
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be a close race to tell you the truth. >> i want to make sure every legal vote is counted. >> i'm a democrat. i'm down here fighting to count every vote. all we want to do is count the votes. >> listen, i'm nervous. i hope we're winning. i want to be like trump, yes we're winning. to be like trumps we're winning. (vo) this is not a video game. this is not a screensaver. this is the destruction of a cancer cell by the body's own immune system, thanks to medicine that didn't exist until now. and today can save your life. ♪ ♪
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back with the breaking news. the recount they were conducting in broward county won't count because the numbers were submitted two minutes past the deadline. the manual recount will proceed. but it's another twist in quite a story. a federal judge said florida is the laughing stock of the world election after election and we chose not to fix this. a quote even more apt given the breaking news tonight. of course this recount is the first time since the 2000 recount and for reporters, anchors and many others, this is deja vu all over again. >> the state of florida racing
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to complete a recount, trying to process the more than eight million votes cast by the thursday deadline. florida, where the ballots will be count bid hand. >> why would you put the senate vote down at the bottom left-hand corner. these punch cards machines aren't effective. they're racing against the clock. >> it all depends on a recount in the state of florida. >> and there you have it. i'm joined by a man at the center of the recount. this is rick scott. what did you see? >> stunning news we heard today. we had been sitting there, we adjust gotten news. they were ready to submit these results. two hours later their said just kidding, we were two minutes late because the person in charge of submitting the results didn't know how to work the web site. so now the entire week's worth of counting and recounting is ov
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over. >> and the person hadn't had enough practice on the web site? >> user error. none of the results count. >> what was the mood when the news broke? >> jaws dropped. the entire room was stunned. everybody the lawyers didn't know what to say. >> brad, your candidate may win but he has sort of embarrassed himself by saying things aren't tr, to hurt him. all right, before these numbers the democratic margin was decreasing. >> wait a minute. every time when you're a kid and you said the dog ate my home work, the dog never ate your home work and they didn't have this issue of two minutes ahead of time. what happened was where i can scott gained 779 votes in broward county and they decided maybe that's not a good thing. let's go the other way. brenda snipes is a partisan -- >> you sound like your candidate. you're saying something. do you have any evidence -- >> they announced the count -- >> the political nature of this
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problem. >> she's a partisan democrat. she's made strings of mistakes. >> that's not what i'm asking you. we've been covering brenda snipes' problems. i'm asking you -- >> every mistake she makes benefits bill nelson. at 15 minutes ahead of time she said they could announce the count. two minutes ahead of the time she said we made it. we're so proud of ourselves. now after 779 votes the biggest deferential in rick scott's favor of any county in 67 counties in florida and they say the dog ate my home work. the dog never eat yours home work. >> did you find when you were inside any evidence the two minute error was a way to deprive rick scott of votes? >> to me it seems like why would they do that work to be embarrassed again? this is something this elections department has been working hard to avoid more embarrassment and here's another one? >> their entire job involves counting votes and loading votes into the secretary of state system. i give them more credit. they're trained professionals
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and they know how to operate with the secretary of state because they interface with them everyday. i don't buy. >> it is it that they're incompetent? we are not here to say they're good or bad. or is it that they're competent at stealing elections which is what you and rick scott are alleging. >> fraud hides in the shadows of non-compliance. that's where it goes. and we have a string of non-compliance in broward county and palm beach county and therefore you will never know if it wasn't fraud. you know? why the reason we have these anti-fraud laws in place is so everyone can know for certain there was no fraud and when election administrators don't abide by anti-fraud laws, you never know. >> they've abided by them. we watched them inspecting this. you're making a new allegation -- you're making news because this is the first time we've heard. your news is you have a secret theory that this was a political way to deny rick scott votes but you don't have evidence. >> i want to ask if you think it's coincidence every mistake this board of elections has made as favored bill nelson. >> last time i checked bill
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nelson is down 12,000 votes. >> every mistake they've made has favored bill nelson. starting on tuesday night every elections commission is supposed to announce the number of votes it has yet to tabulate. the reason is so we know the universe and what's left to tabula tabulate. it's a very reasonable request. >> let me ask you one final question. if rick scott does win, is he going to try to take action to improve the election systems? he was in charge of all this. >> we did. the state of florida improved this election process. 65 out of 67 counties in florida have had no problems. these anti-fraud laws were passed unanimously in the fl legislature. if democrats didn't like them. the time to elect was on the floor of the legislature. >> you've made interesting allegations. some relate to the incompetence that's been document, some have no support whatsoever. appreciate you coming to give your view. appreciate your reporting. it's a live one in broward. the gop's obamacare repeal push might be haunting some officials. coaching means making tough choices.
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that does it from our life show from broward county, florida. "hardball" with chris matthews starts now. the reckoning approaches. let's play hardball. i'm chris matthews in washington, fearing the imminent arrival of new criminal charges or a damaging report from


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