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black friday and cyber monday. let's do some good on this tuesday. more on that a little later. >> craig melvin msnbc headquarters, and new york city, we've got breaking news. secret talks, a report from the guardian. sources telling them that paul manafort met with julian assange. this follows the bomb shell news that the special counsel says manafort lied repeatedly. all about turnout. voters in mississippi head to the polls today in the senate special election there. the president betting his star power will push the republican candidate over the finish line. democrats hoping they've mobilized enough voters. 2020 vision, democrat beto o'rour o'rourke, the breakout star of the party changing his tune and says he is no longer ruling out a run for the white house. what that could portend for the field of democrats eyeing the white house. we'll dig into that a little bit later. we start with that breaking news
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on paul manafort. a harsh spotlight just got brighter after a major bombshell report from "the guardian yts. manafort held secret talks with julian assange at the ecuadorian embassy during the presidential campaign. quote, a well placed sourced has told the guardian that manafort went to see assange around march 2016. that would be the month manafort joined the campaign. "the guardian" says months later wi wikileaks release add stash of stolen e-mails. manafort has previously denied involvement in the hack, this news coming a day after the special counsel's office said it is seeking to break its plea deal with manafort. bob mueller's team says the one-time campaign chairman lied to them and the fbi quote, on a variety of subject matters.
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manafort's team insists that he was truthful. the result speculation of a presidential pardon. today the president attacked mueller in a series of three tweets. he put quotation marks around justice in one of those tweets, around justice department. he said mueller's team are treating people horribly and viciously. he also said this, heroes will come of this, and it won't be mueller and his terrible gang of angry democrats. a lot to cover here. two msnbc reporters, hans nichols at the white house, ken delaney that covers intelligence and national security. ken, makes sense of it for us if you can, sir, this new manafort reporting. what does it mean? what does it not mean? how potentially damaging could it all be? >> this story is a bombshell if true. nbc news has not independently confirmed it, as you can imagine. we're working furiously to do that right now. what it says is that paul manafort began visiting julian
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assange in ecuador back in 2013, before donald trump was a candidate for president, and there's a possible explanation for why that would be, and that is that at that time paul manafort was on the payroll of ukrainian politicians who are enthralled to russian oligarchs and wikileaks is believed by the u.s. government to be working with the russian government and trying to discredit the ukrainian opponents of manafort's clients. that relationship developed, according to the guardian and manafort met with assange two more times including crucially in march of 2016. now, what happened in march of 2016, craig? john podesta's e-mails were phished at that time according to court documents. they were not released until october but the hackers got in to podesta in march of 2016. very suggestive if true. here's the thing about it, if this happened it's almost certain that the u.s. government would have known about it because the british were surveilling that embassy electronically once assange took up residence there in the
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ecuadorian embassy in london. robert mueller would have known about it all along. it's almost a spy novel and we're trying to get to the bottom of it. >> i was just going to say, all of this coming as julian assange finds his way back in the news here over the past few weeks? >> that's right, with the news that there is a sealed indictment, criminal charges in the united states against assange, and you can imagine that the u.s. would want to use that as leverage to try to secure his testimony if in fact, paul manafort was meeting him as part of a conspiracy to collude with the russians. we don't know that to be the case, but assange would be a key witness if this guardian story is true. in terms of the other major news on manafort, the withdrawal of his plea deal, craig. many people are speculating today that or wondering whether the president's team has floated pardon to manafort that led him to do this. one occasicautionary on that, t is that state prosecutors would be only too happy to file bank
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and tax fraud charges against paul manafort in the states of virginia and new york and potentially other places based on his guilty plea. he's admitted to evading taxes and defrauding banks, and if he evaded federal taxes, one can presume that his state returns had the same errors and fraud on them, and so a federal pardon by donald trump of paul manafort would not absolve him of state criminal charges, craig. >> ken delaney stand by for me if you can just for a moment. i want to get to hans nichols here. hans, this new report coming a day after the special counsel's accusation that manafort lied repeatedly to investigators. what has been the reaction there from the white house? >> reporter: well, look, the president criticizing bob mueller's investigation is not new. what's new this morning is the sharpness and the focus of the president's attacks, a conflicted prosecutor gone rogue skbr , and it appears to be coordinated with what rouge is saying, the president's lawyer, where they seem to be establishing a predicate for a party.
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kristen welker caught up with rudy giuliani, here's what he told her when he was asked would paul manafort be pardoned. he said it is conceivable that he and jerome corsi are telling the truth and the special counsel in their zeal to get the president may be going too far. now, in the past obviously the president has been pressed on whether or not he would grant a pardon, and when he's asked he's been pretty coy about it. >> i don't want to talk about it now. >> are you considering pardoning paul manafort? >> i have great respect for what he's done in terms of what he's gone through. >> i don't talk about that now. >> reporter: the president also repeating his claim this morning that bob mueller isn't looking into his political opponents' activities as well. it's a familiar line we've heard from the president, but it does, craig, seem sharper this morning. >> hans nichols there, 1600. also joined by john that la mere white house reporter for "the
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associated press." so is elliott williams, former deputy attorney general. what are people in the white house advising the president to do in terms of the fallout from that? >> joouj has begiuliani has bee inconsistent messenger for the president. in terms of what we've heard from people in the white house, the people all along have suggested that the president proceed cautiously on paul manafort, that a pardon here that certainly he has the legal authority, would perhaps manafort would still be open to state charges but also it would be a political stick of dynamite if he were to do this. as the mueller investigation continues and many people believe is perhaps entering sort of its end stage, suddenly a pardon of manafort here, especially when the president already has a controversial
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choice and matt whitaker is the acting attorney general just puts that much more pressure on republicans on the hill. will they stand for this? will they go along for the president, where if he were to pardon his former campaign chairman, it would raise all sorts of red flags. let's also remember that we are now just a little over a month before the democrats officially take control of the house of representatives and the subpoena power that comes with it. this would open a whole other array of investigations for them. >> elliott, the assertion that paul manafort quote, lied on a variety of subject matters, how uncommon is it to have a potential witness, maybe even a star witness essentially agree to a plea deal, and then in the course of a few weeks or months after reaching that deal you start lying to investigators? >> right, well, you see you hit it on the head right there, craig because by the time people have struck a deal with the government, they've been talking
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for quite some time and building up good will and sort of helping the government build their case, and they have a tremendous incentive to keep cooperating with the government and keep being be honest, right? as we're seeing with manafort, when you lie, when you have a plea deal, ultimately your sentence can be jacked up very high. the statements you make can be used against you in court, and you can get yourself in a whole heap of trouble, and so, yeah, there's the deal there and he's violated it. there you go. >> manafort and trump's team have a joint defense agreement. how much room does that allow for maneuvering possibly against mueller? >> mueller's going to have a tremendous amount of information because they will have been gathering it from other sources independent of manafort. now, again, he would -- manafort's team would have been talking to trump's team quite regularly, you know, and that does leave them some room, but at the end of the day, mueller has been at this for the greater part of two years and gathering a significant amount of evidence
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on manafort and other viny individuals there. there's a great deal we don't know and will see. >> today and last week, the president sounded as if he knew what was being said between mueller's team and witnesses. today he tweeted, quote, wait until it comes out how horribly and viciously they are treating people. 12 days ago he tweeted, the inner workings of the mueller investigation are a total mess. also, they are screaming and shouting at people, horribly threatening them to come up with the answers they want. you have written on the mueller/trump dynamic, jonathan lemire. what have you learned? >> first of all, it wouldn't be the first time the opinion speaks forcefully about something he does not have knowledge about. in this case, there are witnesses he could be speaking to. he may have visibility in the investigation now because of whitaker and the acting attorney general post. he is -- he and mueller have had this dance for a while. they were actually very close to sitting down to having an interview in late january at
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camp david. it was going to be hush, hush. the logistics were already worked out to quietly have the president go up there and other key staff members to finally have a sit-down between the president and mueller's investigators. that fell apart a few weeks before after the president's attorneys felt like it was overstepping legal authority. since then they've settled into this standoff. of course he gave written answers to questions on collusion in the last week or so. even as he did that, no question that's a degree of cooperation with the probe, he has ratcheted up his public rhetoric. he has ratcheted up his attacks on the special counsel, and what you're seeing in these tweets today, the white house aides have started to say, the president's allies and the media they feel like hey, we have cooperated. we're not going to talk about obstruction. we're not going to talk about things that happened after the president was in office, and there's going to be an extraordinary amount of pressure being placed on mueller to wrap this up soon. >> i know the news is just breaking, hans, any response so far from the white house with regards to this julian assange
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report? >> reporter: no, nothing yet, craig, but there are meetings taking place right now. wi we do have a briefing today, the first of the month, even though we're at the end of the month. there's an opportunity to ask questions to sarah huckabee sanders. >> ken delaney, elliott, thank you, jonathan, thanks as always. all eyes are on mississippi this tuesday as the race for the last open seat in the senate is decided. we are on the ground there with voters. also, lessons learned, after two missed warnings in the parkland shooting, the fbi taking action to improve its public tip line. does it go far enough? and 2020 vision, beto o'rourke seems to have had a change of heart, might just be mulling around for the white house. hey dad. so he took aleve. if he'd taken tylenol, he'd be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain
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the lone undecided senate race of the 2018 midterms will be decided today, and it could all come down to turnout. the runoff election between republican incouple dent cindy hyde-smith and mike espy has drawn the attention of president trump. the president traveling to mississippi monday night holding two rallies, one in tupelo doing his part to try and help ensure republican victory there. rehema ellis and vaughn hillyard are at polling places in
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ridgeland, mississippi. vaughn, let me start with you. what are you hearing from voters there? >> reporter: yeah, good morning, craig, this is a suburb just outside of jackson here. it's quite a diverse group of voters that are coming in and out and ranging from mike espy voters to cindy hyde-smith voters and a lot of individuals that won't tell us how they're voting. i do want to play you two different soundbites with two voters who at least one of them used to vote republican, and one of them as you'll hear plans to do just that here today. this is them. >> she's not as strong as i would like to see the senator be, but the stuff on the race that they kept dragging up to me was phony. >> did that make you more inclined to vote for her? >> no. >> mikes by. >> do you usually vote democrat? >> i vote my heart and who i think is the best. i'm more of an independent, moderate. >> mike espy actually just left
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this polling location just few minutes ago after casting his own ballot along with his wife, craig, and he said quite explicitly, he said that african-american voters in this state, which make up about one-third of the electorate, even with a high surge of black voters here in the state will not be enough for him to pull off a victory. he says he needs an increase in what they saw november 6th, of republicans and white voters being willing to come over and vote for him. the question as you heard from those two voters is ultimately how many. it's going to be a giant swath that he's going to have to rely on in order to pull off what will be essentially at least electorally a miracle tonight craig. >> he has said he would need 25% of all white voters to even have a shot. rehema ellis, what are you seeing? what are you hearing? >> reporter: what i'm hearing is what vaughn was mentioning and that is that voter turnout is really critical, and for a democrat who's going to head to washington as the senator representing the state of
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mississippi. i am right now in madison county, a county that went overwhelmingly for donald trump in the general election, and what -- we want to show you some pictures of some people who were voting earlier today. what we hear from election officials here is that the turnout is not as heavy as it was two weeks ago. we're hearing it's about 75% fewer voters so far this morning than there were at this time two weeks ago, but the day is young yet, craig, and we could see more people out. joining me right now are two people who are here in madison county, and you voted this morning. >> zianna williams and larry wilkes, father and stepdaughter. >> right. >> you voted last time, and who did you vote for? >> mike espy. >> and who did you vote for this time? >> mike espy. >> why? >> democrat, to help us with like medical health care and all that stuff. >> the reasons why you voted.
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larry what about your vote? >> absolutely. it's about, i mean, health care and all that. also, his trouble going on with the republican party as well as the white house, so that's why i'm a firm believer that vote democrat, looking at all the troubles that we have right now that's going on with the white house, i'm basically sending my vote toward democrat. >> reporter: how optimistic are you that mike espy can win tonight? >> i'm very optimistic, if everybody get out and vote, i believe mike espy will win. >> reporter: and tell me about your sense of optimism today? >> well, i mean, i thought he got a very good shot, but who knows. i feel like he will win. i'm a very young voter so. >> reporter: how old are you? >> i'm 19 years old. >> reporter: so this is the first time you're voting?
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>> yes. >> w >>. >> reporter: it could be history making for you if mike espy does win and you're voting as a democrat? >> yes, ma'am. >> reporter: craig, no matter what happens here tonight it will make history. if cindy hyde-smith goes to washington, it will be the first time that this state has elected a woman to go and represent them in the senate, and as you know, we've been saying if mike espy wins, it will be the first time that an african-american will be heading to the senate representing history. >> history made either way. rehema ellis, thank you, vaughn hillyard a big thanks to you as well. let me bring in former national press secretary for the democratic congressional campaign committee and hugh hewitt, an msnbc political analyst. thank you both. as the day unfolds before the results start to come in, what are you watching for specifically there in mississippi? >> well, i'm looking at a couple different numbers. one, the percentage of the electorate that is african-american. on november 6th there was about
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33%. they need to boost that a little bit. there's also the non- -- the non-republican white vote that would be helpful to be boosted a little bit as well, and if they can do that, i think he has a shot. they've done a very good job of organizing african-american communities across the state, and he did appeal to non-republican white voters on november 6th, so i think, you know hooer know, he's got an outside shot. this is a very hard race. this is a state that a democrat hasn't won in several decades. he's really -- i think he's run the right type of campaign. it looks a lot like what doug jones ran in alabama. >> hugh president trump holding not one but two rallies in mississippi last night in biloxi. it was quite a winter and christmas spectacle there in biloxi, the president walking out of what appeared to be a chimney there that had been
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built on stage. there was actually some artificial snow falling inside the arena. it was quite the show. the president's presence there in mississippi, is that going to translate in a higher turnout of republicans here? >> i do think that's the case, craig. three weeks ago roger wicker won a senate seat in mississippi by 19 points. two years ago president trump won mississippi by 18 points. the last time this particular senate seat was contested, thad cochran was in it, he retired. cindy hyde-smith replaced him. he won by 23 points. this wouldn't be a miracle. this would be an earth shattering miracle. there's no way mike espy is going to win this race, but political reporters have got to do political reporting so we cover where there's an election. secretary of agriculture, the indictments, the quiacquittal, lobbying. cindy hyde-smith had an unfortunate flub early on with the public hanging fiasco, but
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basics back to -- we're not going to see her win as handily as ohio state did over michigan, but i do think she's going to pummel him pretty handily. >> she had a couple of flubs. it's one of those situations to a lot of folks, i think the reaction was not even just to the flub, the comment the way it was handled after, the apology, but not really being very specific about what she was apologizing for. doug, president obama, he recorded these robocalls for espy, same question, is a phone call from mr. obama enough to lead to higher turnout among democrats? >> i think it's helpful. he also got the endorsement of vice president biden. but look, i think president trump also galvanizes african-american voters and also hyde-smith's comments. it's more than unfortunate to talk about how you would accept an invitation to watch a public lynching. i mean, it's more than unfortunate to say that, and also to say that, you know, to openly express that, you know, you support voter suppression
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tactics for voters in liberal areas. so those comments, i think, have lit a fire among democrats in the state. hugh's right, it's a tough race, but at the same time i think it's kind of embarrassing that this is the best that the republicans can do in terms of putting forward a nominee for this seat. >> while he was in tupelo, by the way. we should note these are live pictures in ridgeland of people participating in democracy there in mississippi as we look at those live pictures, let me take you back to last night. president trump doing what the president is inclined to do from time to time, linking other democrats to some of his favorite foils. take a listen. >> cindy's far left opponent, he's far left. how does he fit in with mississippi? i mean, i could go over this, but how does he fit in? mike espy opposed --
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>> i mean, he goes on to talk about schumer and pelosi, there's a bit of an issue with the audio there and also of course brought up maxine waters as well. hugh, first of all, nancy pelosi would be the speaker of the house. we're talking about a senate seat. why does the president, why do we surprise that he does that? is it just because he knows that the people who are at that rally, that's what they want to hear? >> i think it has the additional benefit of being true, craig that if mr. espy won he would vote to put chuck schumer in charge, and he would block people like brett kavanaugh, and he would be a reliable vote for the democratic party as he was when he served in the house, and when he served in bill clinton's cabinet a reliable democrat. so when the president does that in a deep red state, he is reminding people that an extra vote in the senate matters a lot, particularly if another supreme court nomination comes up in the next two years as could happen. it would be much better to have 53 as opposed to 52. for one thing, it will change the allocation of seats on the
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judiciary committee from a plus 1 r to a plus 2 r. cindy hyde-smith is a mainstream senate republican. she beat the hard right candidate in the three-way runoff three weeks ago, and she's a perfectly acceptable republican. i'm not embarrassed by her. no one is. everyone is down there campaigning for her because she is a very reliable republican mainstream candidate. >> this race, other close campaigns, whether we're looking at florida, georgia, what do they tell you about democrats and the deep south and the future that those kinds of democrats might have politically? >> well, i think it's really important that mike espy -- you know, that the democrats in mississippi put together and run this type of campaign. we saw that we're making gains in texas. we're making gains in georgia. and i think that's going to serve the party well in 2020, both for statewide elections and also for the presidential. we've got a long ways to go in the south, though. i mean, don't get me wrong, the
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s.e.c., that's a territory of the country that democrats need to invest more money, more resources, and find good candidates. we've got a good candidate in mike espy. we'll see how it goes. in terms of being a reliable vote, mike espy supported haley barber in 2007 for governor when ms. hyde-smith was a democrat. i'm not sure about the reliability there. it will be an interesting outcome, and i look forward to sort of diving into the numbers and seeing where democrats need to invest more time and resources in order for us to be more successful in 2020. >> thanks to both of you. >> thank you. after missing two warnings in the parkland shooting, the fbi announces changes to its tip line to prevent another school shooting tragedy. will it work? new car? you'd be better off throwing your money right into the harbor. i'm gonna regret that. with liberty mutual new car replacement, we'll replace the full value of your car. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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in the afghan taliban is claiming responsibility for a roadside bomb that killed three u.s. servicemen and wounded three more outside. city of ghazni. this is the first mass casualty under president trump there in afghanistan. just moments ago first lady melania trump expressing her grief. she said in part that it shows,
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quote, the need to support men and women in our military and their families. n nbc's courtney kube is at the pentagon. what more do we know? >> as you said there were three u.s. service members who were killed in this roadside bomb and improvised explosive device just near ghazni city. you may remember there was a lot of attention on ghazni in august, a couple of months ago, when the taliban overran large parts of the city and parts of the province. it led to a bloody four-day battle and ever since then, that entire area has really been more dangerous. so of course u.s. troops and afghan forces have had to pay additional attention to it since then. there were also three u.s. service members who were wounded and one american contractor wounded in this ied attack. this has been a really deadly, dangerous month for u.s. military in afghanistan. just over the weekend, we saw a u.s. army ranger who was killed in what we now believe was likely an accidental shooting by an afghan security force, a really rare occurrence in afghanistan.
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there have been a number of insider attacks, green on blue attacks where afghan security forces or someone posing as an afghan cu afghan security force attacks an american service member or coalition member but a case of an accidental shooting like this is very rare. earlier in the month, we saw the death of major taylor, who was a mayor, a national guard service member serving from utah. we saw him killed in an insider attack. it's been a really difficult month for u.s. service members there in afghanistan, a place where a lot of americans just on a daily basis don't even remember there are americans serving there. >> a lot of folks have certainly forgotten that it is this country's longest war ever. courtney kube there at the pentagon for us, thank you. >> thanks, craig. the fbi just announced some major changes to how it handles tips from the public. this announcement comes eight months after that deadly school rampage in parkland, florida.
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february 14th, 17 people left dead. the bureau received two specific tips about the marjory stoneman douglas high school shooter before he ever even walked in the building with a gun. shortly after fbi director christopher wray acknowledged that the bureau made mistakes. the sun sentinel, the paper of record there, reports that calls made to the fbi with certain threatening words will now receive extra layers of review and it added staff and training to its tip center. i'm joined now by former fbi special agent, also an msnbc national security analyst, clint watts. let's talk about precisely the changes that they are suggesting, but before we do that, what was it like? how would the fbi process tips that it might get about a shooter? >> it's almost impossible in terms of volume. if you look at the tip line on any given day, they're getting
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thousands of leads, and certain cities inevitably are getting more. how do you distinguish and triage out those threats? it's really difficult to do and highly subjective. it's based on the training you're giving whoever's receiving from those tip lines. they're doing interesting things, particularly by bringing in technology. this was not there obviously when i was at the bureau, but that can help sort out what those key words were that you might want to put at the top of the triage. imagine an emergency room as a doctor you're trying to sort through what's the most dangerous and what to go through. same thing with these tip lines. there is no real good way to do that, and so technology can help them do that. the other part is manpower. there's just not enough manpower to go through every potential tip and lead and try and evaluate what is more credible, what is less credible. what's more dangerous that i've got to react to today, what is maybe a terrorism lead that i need to push on that will go on for months. >> so technology and manpower? >> technology and manpower. i think the other thing that the public sometimes forgets is particularly in the case of parkland and a lot of these
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shootings, the people in law enforcement that know these communities best are local law enforcement. when you're actually sending a tip to the federal bureau of investigation, that's great that you do that, but the fbi has fewer people that are actually in those local communities and it takes them longer to figure out oftentimes who these individuals are. imagine a local police force integrated with the school liaison officers and all of these schools. if you provided that tip to that person, they're probably able to run that down and may know that person. >> the "sun sentinel" reports that a letter explaining the chain from the fbi quote, does not say what went wrong or whether anyone has been disciplined. why not? why would that be the case? is that some sort of fbi protocol? >> they're probably still looking at what the ramifications would be and who was responsible for it. what's tough with these tip lines is if you get a thousand a month, the one good thing we have historically is they have been able to build out this process from the global war on
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tro terror, the isis years in particular when there were recruits coming in online that locals would see possibly in schools or different locations. so they are refining that process. in this case there may not be one person or one entity that can point to and say you missed this tip or did not pass it on. sometimes the backlog is so high it can be days and weeks as far as turning these tips over and getting them to the right people. imagine you get a thousand tips and 150 of them need to be routed to local law enforcement and you've got to track that chain down every time. they may not be at the bottom of it yet. >> thank you, thank you. always enjoy your insights. betting on beto. does the rising democratic star think that he's got a shot at taking the white house?
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news i am told. we'll keep you posted as we learn more. with one statement, texas congressman beto o'rourke shook up the democratic 2020 race. he talked about his family and his future last night saying we're thinking through a number of things and amy and i made a decision to not rule anything out. the best advice i received from people who run for and won and run for and lost elections like this is don't make any decisions about anything until you've had some time to hang with your family and just be human, and so i am following that advice. there are a slew of democrats mulling over a 2020 run. many of them are taking big steps to lay the groundwork in some early primary states. a number of them spending a fair amount of time in places like iowa, new hampshire, and south carolina. i'm joined now by a man who knows a thing or two about democratic presidential campaign, jamal simmons who
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worked on al gore's campaign. s a always good to have you the. >> good to be here, thank you, craig. >> and also for the record bill clinton's campaign and a couple of them in 2004, so i've been around this block a few times. >> okay. all right. what effect does beto o'rourke's maybe, what does it have on other democrats considering a run? >> oh, i'm sure it won't affect very many other democrats concerning a run, except for maybe one, which is bernie sanders. it could possibly be that the beto o'rourke dif ta is the people who love him most come from the same pool of voters as the bernie sanders devotees. you might find bernie coming out a little shorter on his numbers that he might have. >> mcclach chi newspapers, there's a detail about new jersey senator cory booker i want to share for our viewers and listeners on sirius satellite radio, quote, after an
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iowa appearance, booker's team found photos from the event that attendees had posted on facebook. booker signed and mailed back at least 150 of those pictures as well as personal thank you notes to iowa activists. pretty brilliant if it's true. is that also pete cory booker? >> i think cory booker has one of the best political operations of anybody who is thinking about running right now. they have been doing this for a while. he's been showing up in states, being involved in some of these early primary contests, special elections. he's been pretty aggressive out there. let me say this about beto o'rourke. a lot of people will say beto o'rourke should not run for president because he lost the senate race or because maybe he's not experienced enough. well, tell that to donald trump that he's not experienced enough. the reality is when you're hot, you got to go when you're hot. i would argue that chris christie is not president today because he didn't run for president in twe2012. i'm not saying he could have
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beat barack obama, that was his moment. he didn't go and we saw what happened in 2016. it flamed out. >> let's look ahead to tomorrow, democrats meeting behind closed doors apparently to talk about leadership. our friend bob costar over at "the washington post" has this headline. democratic rebel seeks negotiations with pelosi on races for leadership. there's the headline. congressman seth moulton, the man leading the resistance seems to have shifted his focus to getting a replacement for the number two or perhaps the number three democrat in the house come january. will the house democratic leadership, will it be pelosi, hoyer and cliburn, and if not, who? >> if i had to place a bet with my house as the stakes, i would say yes, it was pelosi, hoyer and cliburn. of the three of them, i think hoyer and cliburn are the two who are the most vulnerable. the young guns are looking to step up. people want to get in the race. here's the real problem.
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if you get hoyer, cliburn, let's say you got hakeem jeffries who's trying to be democratic caucus chair, you've got ben ray lieu han who wants to be the assistant majority leader, that's a lot of guys, a lot of dudes on that list, right? and pelosi's the only one, and particularly there's no woman of color on that list, and you've got all these women of color stepping up, ocasio-cortez, presley, it would be pretty remarkable if it was nancy pelosi and four or five guys in the leadership team. i'm not sure that's a number that really can hold. >> i still think that one of the bigger headlines and, again, i'm not an ageist, but you look at the average age of the democratic leadership team, and it would seem to be off by about 20, 25 years when compared to your beto o'rourkes or your andrew gillums or your other, you know, rising stars. >> stacey abrams, right. >> thank you, thank you, jamal. >> thanks for having me. it was great. we've got more to talk about on
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a that is now entering the seventh year. it is a day that brings together the values of service, sacrifice and giving back. just the last 20 minutes the white house released a a presidential message on giving tuesday saying in part that we give thanks for the many blessings of the season and we remember those less fortunate as we reconfirm our commitment to jgenerosity and kindness and charitable giving. one cause near and dear to my heart is my brother who is undergoing chemotherapy for colorectal cancer. and he is woshing to get more people screened and a breakthrough is the ceo michael sap sappienza who is join meg from
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washington. >> and i know that this cause is personal to you, because you lost your mom to the disease years ago and what is being done? what advances are we seeing? >> yeah. we have actually seen some incredible advances over the last couple of years in the imyu no therapy, and whereas four years ago of people called the msi high cancerer s did not resd at all, but now we are seeing 4% to 5% of the people potentially being cured. a reasoned from the screening perspective, more and more people over the age of 50 getting screen ed. we have the issue of the under 50, but a lot of the progress in the research and certainly in the screening as well. >> statistics show that 1 in 10, that 1 in 10 of those diagnosed with colorectal cancer is now under the age of 50. and how important is awareness and early diagnosis? >> yeah, it is incredibly important. and so 90% of this disease would
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be preventable if caught early. so if i can stress one thing for the people out there and we always preach it at the alliance, get screened. now, recommended at age 45 or at age 40 if you have a family history or ten years prior to your first degree relative being diagnosed with colorectal cancer. >> do we know why there are so many younger folks being diagnosed or not treated but diagnosed with the colorectal? >> we don't know, craig. we were doing research to find out if it is biological or the microbuy yoem -- microbiome or what causes it. so if you have cramping or stool chan
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that is going to wrap up this hour of "msnbc live." i will see you tomorrow on "today" and also tomorrow night for the christmas tree lighting as well. "andrea mitchell reports" starts
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right now. and right now on "andrea mitchell reports" a dealbreaker, because the special counsel robert mueller says that paul manafort lied to him, and also found that he met with wikileaks julian assange before he became donald trump's campaign manager, and what could this mean for the russian investigation. >> if this happened, it is certain that the u.s. government would have known that, because the british were surveillancing that embassy electronically and so if the intelligence knew about it, then robert mueller would have known about it all along. and today's racially charged senate runoff in mississippi where the republican incumbent is heavily favored against an african-american democratic challenger, and despite that


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