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paris in flames and a brexit shamefully, pa threat ekly says deal ripping europe to pieces. the law shouldn't be enforced. as richard haass frames it, a what a suck up. bad day in politics for what we gop senators hatch, grassley and used to call the west. kennedy have become trump. this week, they've tried to welcome to "morning joe" on this tuesday, december 11th. joe is off today, but with divert attention from trump to michael cohen who trump hired for decades and ignoring the willie and me, we have mike justice department and scoffing at the rule of law. barnacle, noah rothman, susan what makes this one work. the same republican party that commands that the full extent of the law be brought down on 2-year-old babies ripped from their mother's arms at the dellpercio, richard haass, mexican border believes we should ignore the apparently illegal actions of a billionaire who won the white house quite eugene robinson, as well. possibly by committing felonious acts in the final weeks of the richard, let's go right there. are all these crises, if you could speak to them, are they campaign. and fantastic. in america, no man is above the one offs or are are they law and they know that. worldwide populism still but don't tell that to these burning? >> i wish they were one offs, but at the risk of starting republicans who continue to trash the rule of law, destroy
their party and this country in the process. people's day on a downer, this to me, i say good luck with is now part of the new normal. you've got populism of the left, real concerns about inequality, that. mike barnacle. making ends meet. you've got politics to the right >> 2 levto me, the level of hypy against immigration over cultural anxiety and then against a back drop, as i said, here is not surprising. what we used to call the west, no consensus and not a lot of will on how to organize the world. so you add this all up, a lack of international cooperation, i >> they've got to know that what never thought when i wrote a book with the word disarray in occurred last week with regard the title i would be an to michael cohen, the optimist. allegations of a campaign guess what, things have turned finance law violation, those are out worse than i thought. just appetizers, given us by the >> is there a way out for macron and may looking forward? special prosecutor in the >> in the long run, there's a way out. southern district of new york, there's nothing about this that the the u.s. attorney here, appetizers because the context, is inevitable. it's not inevitable that things the context of what is with are bad, but yesterday, we about to come clearly is within didn't see the way out. all of the redactions in what we we saw a retreat or a saw last week. and there's a lot to come. capitulation in france that's and the key here is -- and we have to remind ourselves here at
not going to be enough for those with the yellow vest. this tooable and other tables le there's no way to clearly pay for it. brexit, there's zero consensus this in this country, we know nothing about what robert on what the next step ought to mueller has and what he can be and no matter what is decided, you've go a truly unload at any moment in time. divided country and a big part of it is also on us, mika. the frustrating thing about all of this, about all the rhetoric the united states was the principal architect of the world order for the last three that we just heard is that it quarters on of a century. feeds into the narrative and what we're about to hear from now you have a united states, richard haass at some point is rather than supporting order and the world as we've known it, what's going on in the world. we've now become the principal america as a leader is now stage disrupter. there's no one to take our right or stage left. place. we are not playing a part on china is very happy to eat our what we should and have always lunch. this is a bad combination. played a part in. 70 years agos was the advent of >> it's that muumultuous. we're going to dig deeper. the berlin air lift led by who? now to what's happening here at home region some top republicans are dismissing the allegations that donald trump directed his former fixer, the united states of america. michael co.en, to make illegal >> even as republicans dismiss hush money payments to two women during the 2016 campaign. when asked if he had any all these accusations and concerns, senator orrin hatch developments, there arer mo mor told krn, the democrats wi-- cn
accusations. according to court documents obtained by the "new york times" with, maria butina, a russian, will do anything to hurt this president. when he was told the democrats her plea deal includes spending five months in jail. the 30-year-old previously pleaded not guilty in july for will do anything. conspiracy and failing to register as a foreign agent. hatch was asked if he was concerned about the allegations prosecutors alleged she and hatch said no. purposefully infiltrated gun rights activism circles particularly with within the nra but i don't think he was involved in crime because even to influence politics in then, you know -- >> oh, my. russia's favor. these people are turning into butina tried to broker a 2016 trump. you can blow it out of po meeting between then candidate portion. you can do a lot of things. donald trump and russian louisiana senator john kennedy president vladimir putin. told nbc news, let me say this the times reports butina will before mr. cohen. work with federal and state jesus loves him, but everybody else thinks he's an idiot. authorities for what could be a prison term. i think most americans think she will like le be deported after her release. he's a sleazoid person. additional court documents request for the plea deal to be signed off by a d.c. judge tomorrow afternoon.
so gene robinson, as we get more chuck grassley dismissed the and more developments, it seems every day there's something new allegations saying they based it from the special counsel or from on what the liar says. prosecutors. it makes it all the worse that that liar was employed as a republicans dismiss everything out of happened. close fixer for the president they say he's doing a good job. for more than a decade, but the president is doing a good okay. and here is how house majority job so let not look into this. it's one thing to say i don't leader kevin mccarthy responded buy michael cohen as a witness. to congressman adam schiff's let's see the other evidence. it's a completely different thing to say i don't believe any concern that donald trump could face real jail time for making of it. illegal payoffs during the presidential campaign. >> the president hires an attorney to solve a problem, he expects him to do it in a legal >> yes, it is. manner. i don't see -- and if schiff is and let's not forget we have the taking this beyond to go forward and say there's a impeachable president and on tape committing offense because of a campaign one of these two election finance problem, there's a lot campaign contribution felonies of members in congress who would that he has confessed to have to leave for that same committing. so there is no question as to place. >> with willie geist, it's whether or not he did this. incredible. to me, this is despicable. >> also, what they're arguing and i don't understand why
against is information and findings and allegations coming from prosecutors in the southern district of new york, not from republicans would say he's a democrats, not from the media. this is a case put together by known liar. they have a recording of it prosecutors, noah rothman. if you go back through history, you look at comments, for example, from orrin hatch during impeachment in 1999. he worried about moral turpitude happening. so this idea that they're going to continue to stick by donald and now he's coming out saying, trump, not even a discouraging maybe, but he's doing a good word about what is clearly criminal conduct by the job. i don't buy michael cohen as a president and his circle is a good witness. it's a completely different standard from one president to bad, bad political strategy that the next. >> it is. is likely to, you know, make and the notion that democrats will have to embrace some disqualifying amount of hypocrisy that at the fundamental level, this is about sex, paying off a paramour. 2020 even worse for them. >> we can't even ask the they can't do that having
question if this were about defended bill clinton on those same terms. politics. it's not even about politics. for the republicans that we've mentioned this morning, you're not leading. you're not a leader. you are a disapoim. the president's legal team isn't arguing bill clinton, they're arguing john edwards. the question you'll have to ask there are distinctions pass nature of this case, donald yourself is whether or not you were complicit in the damage the trump's case might be more president is doing to this country. that will stay with you forever. prosecutable because it happened so early in the campaign. and still ahead, how a world but all that aside, they're arguing now that these order ends and what comes in its allegations which destroyed swraun edwards, rendered him wake. richard haass breaks down his new cover story on a string of politically toxic is the model that they are following. global crises. that seems like a bad bet. >> but there's a case that's plus, 44 senators just going to be laid out by the signed on to an op-ed urging southern district. the democrats don't have the to jump the gun on this because capitol hill to defend that case is going to be there. democracy. but first, here is bill the republicans are foolish for karins with a check on the coming out so far ahead of this. forecast. >> we're still watching the cleanup in north carolina. it makes me wonder what the president has promised them so mt. mitchell got the most snow
far in exchange because there's no other way to explain this at 34 inches. behavior. but on top of that, this is just we're 29 in charlotte and below freezing in raleigh one case that evolved from the durham. we're worried about black ice, investigation. mueller still has to provide his winter weather advisories. full report. and i think it would be wise for by about 9:00 or 10:00, it will the democrats as well as the republicans to keep their powder get warm enough. the next storm is coming on dry until they have facts in front of them. shore in the pacific northwest. snow in the mountains. eventually this storm will be the next coast to coast storm, diving down tt through the it would seem the normal course. mountains, tomorrow through areas of colorado. many areas in the 4 to 8 foot kevin mccarthy yesterday range, especially the ski resorts. said his democrat colleagues by the time we get to about, shouldn't take investigating say, thursday, this storm gets trump a top priority when they to texas. so we're clear in the east today. but at least it's sunny and it's retake the house next month. >> i thinks there's other dry. here is the storm by the time we problems out had there we should get to thursday. pulling the moisture up the be focused on. we've investigated this for a gulf. we're going to get a soaking rain thursday through louisiana into arkansas. long period of time. if you have plans on friday, both sides have come up with including air travel plans, this nothing in the process. >> if if by nothing in the process means indictments or rainy mess will be through guilty pleas from 33 people and atlanta, richmond, raleigh, late 3 companies so far, then he's in the day on friday.
right. as for his argument that so if you're heading out this weekend, you have to remember democrats should not make that friday night on the east investigating the president a coast looks wet. no snow, no ice, it's a warm top priority, you'll recall in storm with just rain. so as far as anyone is hoping 2014, mccarthy and other house for a white christmas in the republicans set up a special northeast or even the committee dedicated to investigating the 2012 attacks mid-atlantic, if you have snow in benghazi and in an interview on the ground, you may get lucky the following year, mccarthy enough, but i don't see any celebrated the committee putting storm in our near future. a dent in hillary clinton's poll numbers. remember this? >> everybody thought hillary clinton was unbeatable, right? but we put together a benghazi special committee, a select life isn't a straight line. committee. what are her numbers today? things happen. her numbers are dropping. and sometimes you can find yourself why? because these untrustble. heading in a new direction. >> this is painful. but at fidelity, we help you prepare for the unexpected the republican party screams that it must stand for the rule with retirement planning and advice for what you need today of law at the border, teargassing desperate familiars. and tomorrow. but they're not sure if they want to do the same at the white because when you're with fidelity, house. it doesn't apply. a partner who makes sure every step is clear, the trump justice department has there's nothing to stop you from moving forward. shown candidate trump led a
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this, a stable world order is a rare thing. it requires a stable distribution of power and is broad acceptance of the rules that govern the conduct of international relations. it also needs skillful state craft since an order is made, not born. eventually, with inevitably, even the best managed order comes to an end. deterioration of a world order can set in motion trends that spell catastrophe. world war i broke out some 60 years after the concert of europe had broken down in crimea. what we're seeing today resembles the mid 19th century in important ways. the post world war ii post cold world order cannot be restored. but now is the time to make sure one never materializes. the good news is it is far from inevitable that the world will
eventually arrive at a catastrophe. the bad news is that it is far from certain that it will not. richard, we want to broaden out what is going on in europe. first, i wonder what is our place in the world at least in terms of what america is seeing. is that the case in terms of how america is viewed at this moment? >> no. i think this is a i think this is a stunning departure. the united states has advocated. we've essentially decided the game isn't worth the candle. we saw elements of that under the previous administration, particularly in the middle east, but we've seen it on steroids in this administration where it's essentially said the cost of american leadership are way to great. the benefits aren't worth it. america first, we're going to pull back. we're going to look out for our narrow self-interests.
because mr. trump is essentially determined, i believe incorrectly and invisibly and miss guidedly but he's determined that it's not worth it for the united states. the problem is that we're forfeiting our advantages and leverages. and we're helping the one country out there that is arising and that is called china. >> the populism you write about in europe in different in every country. you can go across them. how much of that is connected to america, if it is at all, and donald trump being perhaps the most famous self-styled populist of them all. >> we're seeing elements of it. he's reinforced it and you've got a truly divided country
there. what angela merkel did in germany, opening up the flood gates to immigration, the germans are letting in 8,000 people a day. it just overwhelmed things and you have a cultural demographic pushback. in france, people were yelling about the fact they simply couldn't make ends meet and at the same time, you were raising taxes on gasoline. so the warning for us, willie, ought to be that it can happen here. we can imagine populism both on the left and the right in in this cub and that's a real challenge to the ability to govern at a when we've got enough problems with governing. >> so you recommend the development of sort of a new order and it seems more like a soft power calculation, multi
lateralism and disengagement and what have you. but in the hard power, raw power calculation which still is the underlying, you know, force in international relations, the united states doesn't have a close competitor in china and russia, for example. these are a liberal power and the states around them balance against them as opposed to joining them in europe which is disintegrating, as we can say. and no condition consensus about social organization is the nearest liberal competitor to the united states. really there is no competitor to america and america can't disengage with the world. all three of them consecutively campaigned on disengaging the world and governed on the precise opposite. so, really, does the united states have any options here? can it choose to engage in any order or is the order the one
that is going to perpetuate? >> you need hard power, sometimes there's no alternative to military force. but hard power is not going to solve the problem of china's investment in artificial intelligence. we're going to have to invest heavily ourselves. hard power is not going to open up the world trading system or maintain it. hard power is not the answer to a full immigration system. at the same time, the united states is saying we need more fossil fuels. come on. before we're done in this century, but probably while we're still alive, climate change will have extraordinary implications. it's going to generate millions of refugees.
we need a serious foreign policy. multi lateralism -- marshall plan was multi lateralism. 41, what he put together in the persian gulf, it involved diplomacy, economics and military force. we need a comprehensive foreign policy. >> is there a relationship between the populist movements happening all over and this disintigration of the public world order and can the next u.s. administration reverse the u.s. withdraw? is there time for that? >> i think there is some
relationship between the populist movements. people are feeling overwhelmed. when we don't do enough to manage the world, it has an impact here at home. but we ain't seen nothing yet. but imagine how strong the populism is going to be when autonomous vehicles and artificial intelligence and robotics come on stream and millions and millions of existing jobs go away. so the millions of americans who drive trucks or are counting on one day driving trucks won't have that option. we're going to see -- the kind of thing we're seeing in france, we're going to see that in the united states. so, again, what goes on internationally will come here. can the u.s. recover? to some extent, but the world is going to be a different place for the 46th president. some of the things that are influencing donald trump, if you will, trumpism, predated him and will not go away. but, yes, any president has a degree of discretion,s has a degrees of latitude. in our system, the president is
the lead actor when it comes to foreign policy. and just like donald trump has unilaterally done things like take the united states out of the transunion partnership or taken united states out of the paris climate change talks and so on and so on, the next president could reintegrate the united states in the world. >> so, richard, the world as a neighborhood, the united states of america, toughest guy on the block, most important guy on the block, but the new people down at the end of the block, the chinese, they're sort of making a move on want to go become the toughest guy and the most powerful guy on the block. but are we neglecting the role and what has to be the happiness of the older guy at the end of the block, the guy from moscow, putin, and what russia is getting out of all of this chaos? >> you have to deal with both.
they're not a super power. but they have the ability to use military force and they're increasingly using cyber. so dealing with a rogue russia, i actually think so long as putin is in power is a real challenge. china is a different things. how do we discipline china militarily and economically? >> can we? >> sure. but we have to do it with others. that's where america first misses the boat. where, again, we have leverage. it's called alliances. japan, south yeah, australia, we have to make sure that china understands it can cherry pick the world and just do it once. it has to raise its game to play more by our rules. >> well, we had allies. we can hope that our alliances rolled together. prussia sent two nuclear capable
bombers to venezuela yesterday. those russian jets, which were used in russia's actions in syria, can carry conventional or nuclear tipped cruise missile wes a range of 3,410 miles well within the range of the continental united states. their deployment comes after venezuelan leader nicholas maduro visits moscow last week to garner additional political and economical support even though venezuela owes billions of dollars of debt to russia. mike pompeo responded to this by saying the russian and venezuela people should see this for what it is, two corrupt governments squandering public funds and swell muching liberty and freedom while their people suffer. we'll be following this. still ahead, president trump tries to claim that michael cohen's hush money payments during the 2016 campaign were a simple, private transaction. gross. and that has eugene robinson
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i can tell you the view of americans on how the president has handled the russia probe is at a all-time low. approval of trump's handling of the russia investigation has fallen f fallen from 33% to 29%. support among republicans have dropped 17% down to 51%. it has dropped among independents. interestingly, approval among democrats has more than doubled to 15%. overall, 39% of americas approve of donald trump compared to 52% who disapprove almost exactly matching pre-election levels.
>> this tells you the president's base is getting smaller and spaller. also in that poll, mueller's numbers have tanked, too. and i think the american public is fed up with all of the noise around this investigation and the president's tactics are working to some extent, but not to enough. and if we need to look to the proof of that, let's take a look at the midterm elections. that's what the voters were frustrated about. they've had enough with donald trump and they want to see government functioning. >> i'm not sure we should trust the mull numbers yesterday. >> the numbers still are the numbers. they're declining. >> so once we see them develop a case, then the american public will be able to judge what
they're put ing out. they're under a constant withering assault. there apparently will be a report produced by this white house that is attacking mueller personally as well as his connections and the probe's conduct and the propose can not defensist. >> but the point is, that donald trump -- he's working -- his rhetoric is working against mueller, but it's hurting had him even more at the end of the day. >> exactly. and the bottom line is that, you know, they can say everything that they can say about this probe and make every type of accusation on twitter about robert mueller and everybody else and call it a hitwitch-hun but donald trump's numbers are not rising. they're tanking. and it's a strategy that is not working for them. you write in part, no collusion
trump claimed in his monday tweets. mueller might have a full fledged plot between trump's campaign and vladimir's government. but given how tight lipped the mueller team has been, it is ridiculous for anyone to assert with confidence that no such evidence exists. we know mulerer is looking into trump organization's business dealings with russians who have close linked to the kremlin. we know he is looking into potential obstruction of justice by the president. and now we know for the first time that prosecutors have implicated trump in a federal crime. but stay tuned. i guess that ultimately points to these poll numbers, as well, because people are starting to see what they ultimately see. and it doesn't look good. >> it doesn't look good at all. you don't have to step back very far just to kind of take a look at what we already know.
we already the president is implicated in ordering two felony offenses and that's on tape. we're pretty sure that happened. we know that there were all these contacts, you know, and it all comes back to russia, this raft of contacts between people in the trump campaign and people who represented or claimed to are represent the president. we know all this is happening at a time when the president is trying to make potentially hundreds of millions of dollars on a trump tower in moscow. we have this pretty clear picture of astounsing morality by this president and his circle including his son and his son-in-law and it doesn't take
much perspective or i think much sort of political acumen to say, gee, maybe i ought to sort of keep my powder dry on this because this looks like it might not work out very well for the president. i think that's going to be very bad for them. i think this whole sordid episode is very bad for the country and it's going to come to a decree cherescendo. >> gene just mentioned the country. i'm kind of an outlier. i don't think most americans get up and they don't tweet all day. they go to work all day. i think most americans think we do too many polls.
mueller is up, mueller is down, things like that. but for sure, there is an exhaustion level in this country about everything that has gone on since 2016. and eventually robert mueller is going to come out with one of the greatest involves ever written. it's going to be a involve about cri -- novel about crime and punishment and it will be an extensive look at what is going on within the trump organization and within the trump presidency for many months if not years and that is going to be a true revelation. >> and at the expense of the country. we will see the damage for decades. up next, president trump is set to meet with chuck and nancy at the white house today in hopes of avoiding a partial government shutdown over the
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as president trump and congress equal leaders race against the deadline to avoid a government shutdown, disputes continue over trump's border wall and other legislation. the president is set to host senator chuck schumer and house speaker designate nancy pelosi at the white house this morning for the first time since the midterm elections. the democratic leaders are prepared to offer trump $1.3 billion for the border wall, short of $5 billion that trump is demanding. trump has openly flirted with the idea of force ago shutdown to push democrats into embracing the border wall funding. however, in a joint statement, schumer and pelosi stated
republicans still control the house, the senate and the white house and they have the power to keep the government open. our country cannot afford a trump shutdown especially at this time of economic uncertainty. this holiday season, the president knows full well his wall proposal does not have the votes to pass the senate and the house. republicans, democrats and the white house have until december 21st to reach a budget deal if they are to avert a partial government shutdown. joining us now, contribute heing edit -- contributing edit, elise mendez. c is the next barrier to the wall mitch mcconnell? >> the deal is exactly as you laid it out. and i think we should step out
back and say behind all of this is the reality whoever is seen as the culprit behind one of these shutdowns will be widely criticized. republicans know that going back to' 95 and' 96 and again in 2013. no one wants to be seen as responsible for this. the president believes if the contours of this debate happen around immigration and that's winning ground for him, losing ground for democrats and what democrats will say is exactly what you said in your lead, you don't have the votes in the house in order to pass this so it's never going to get to mitch mcconnell. take the $1.3 billion we're offering you. considerate victory and don't be seen as the bad guy who forced a shutdown. >> can you use this to re-open the debate about comprehensive immigration reform. is that just too far away now?
>> it seems at this point that is not the conversation we had before. what we saw even when democrats came to table offering more money for border security the president balked and not willing to live up to his claims of comprehensive immigration reform. what's interesting is we're focused on the border. that is drama that the president has stirred up at the same time all eyes are on the u.s.-mexico border his administration is passing regulatory proposals, the period for public comment just closed yesterday on something called the public charge which is a definition of the way someone is assessed for a green card, whether or not they will make use of public funds and of government assistance. moving forward it's been narrowly defined up until this point. the trump administration is now making it such that immigrants will be assessed based on their previous use. this is part and parcel of the
same thing. child separation was to be a deterrent. what we're seeing at the border that's slowing asylum seekers down is a deterrent. this is a chilling effect. that's where their energy is focused. not focused on a comprehensive solution. >> it's a chuck and nancy reboot. no reason for them to trust donald trump based on the last round of negotiations. but if this was this time to go into shutdown mode, it seems that donald trump kind of won the last time but after the mid-term elections how concerned are republicans that the unpopularity of donald trump will really start to touch them? >> they should be concerned especially based on the polling numbers that you all were just looking at. democrats feel they have all the cards, right? >> they felt that way the last time. >> also at the same time they were operating in a context in which they wanted to be able to
extend daca. they don't have that this time. this time very much about trump holding this up over that $5 billion. >> so, when democrats won the house, performed very well at the state level the president had this press conference you know we can work together. we can do environmental legislation, there's a lot here we can do. this seems like a retreat this border wall ask which is way down from $25 billion that they said they needed. it suggests they are beginning to tailor their expectations to the moment. the democrats have no reason to make this a successful presidency at this point. >> i think there are very strange dynamics on the hill. as this is happening there was supposed to be bipartisan legislation around criminal justice reform which republicans are not even sure they can deliver their own caucus votes on. there's a lot that's supposed to get done between now and december 21st and it would be up to republicans to decide if they
have the will within their own party to get it done. >> all right. thank you so much for being on this morning. coming up, we'll talk to the incoming chairman of the house intelligence committee adam schiff after saying this weekend donald trump faces the prospect of jail time. we'll ask him about that. and the "new york daily news" helps the president advertise his new opening for chief of staff calling for a quote spineless, clueless flunky to keep the president's charged for tweet storms. must be fluent in russian. integrity preferred but not required. we'll talk about that ahead on "morning joe".
i think our intelligence agencies are making their assessments and hoping to make sure there's justice where be. we're focus don't broader region which is figuring out to bring a deal between the israelis and the palestinians. >> that was jared kushner last night pivoting from the murder of jamal khashoggi to his long promise middle east peace plan. there was no follow up with his conversations with the crown prince following khashoggi's death. no follow up to the "new york times" piece richard haass that pointed out that jared kushner
was reportedly even giving the crown prince pr advice as to how to weather the storm after the death of the "washington post" opinion writer of the man who is a father and lived in the united states of america. there was no questions about, i'm not surprised, but having said that how could jared kushner face the cameras and step up right now, given and not answer to that. and is that treason? >> it's wildly inappropriate. we should not be doing the saudis bidding for them. it's not just jared kushner it's the entire administration. what we should be doing is get saudis, put pressure on them so they get out of yemen. we should be recalibrating our entire relationship with them. let's be honest. saudi arabia is not a reliable dependable ally or partner. you got this reckless young leader who in so many cases is
acting against american interests and against saudi interests. we have to be extraordinarily careful rather than aligning ourselves with them as jared kushner is doing. he also has this rather vain hope saudis will deliver middle east peace and get the palestinians to compromise. that's way off base. it depends first and foremost that they are the cuss ttodian the muslim holy places. we have to rethink this entire relationship. >> he's completely inexperienced and conflicted. so welcome back to "morning joe". it's tuesday, december 11th. still with us mike barnacle. as you can see the president on the council of foreign relations, richard haass. associate editor of the "washington post" eugene robinson. msnbc political analyst and former republican strategist
steve schmidt. and presidential historian doris kerns goodwin. how do americans feel how the president handled the russia probe which is now at an all time low. a new cnn poll shows since october approval of trump's handling of the russian investigation has fallen from 33% to 29%. support among republicans has dropped 17%. down to 51%. it's dropped among independents. approval rating among democrats has more than doubled to 15%. overall 39% of americans approve trump compared to 52% who disapprove. almost exactly matching pre-election levels. steve schmidt, at what point are republicans going to be worried about their party as it pertains to this president? >> at no point, mika.
republicans have already paid a heavy cost for trump and trumpism. when you look at this mid-term election the president showed up the morning after the election to claim victory. it was in fact a massive reyou d -- repudiation of trump and trumpism. we'll see more of that. at the end of the day for republicans, for the republican leaders and everybody who has gone into business with donald trump politically just like every contractor who went into business with him in the real estate business, they wind up by the end of the deal getting screwed. that's where republicans are going to be. there will be more downward pressure, more costs and you will have a generation of republicans, when we look back at this from the rear view mirror who will have desecrated their party, their country, their duty and they will pay a
terrible price for it and the republican party, if it recovers, will take many, many years to do so after this trump era begins to close. >> so, to your point, some top republicans are now dismissing the allegations that donald trump directed his former fixer michael cohen to make illegal hush money payments to two women during the 2016 campaign. when asked if he had any concerns, senator orrin hatch told cnn the democrats will do anything to hurt this president. when he was told the allegations came from the southern district of new york, hatch said, okay, but i don't care. all i can say is he's doing a good job as president. hatch was asked whether he was concerned about the allegations and he said, no. because i don't think he was involved in crimes, but even then, you know, you can make anything a crime under the
current laws if you want to. you can blow it way out of proportion. you can do a lot of things. louisiana senator john kennedy told msnbc news let me say this about mr. cohen. jesus loves him but everybody else thinks he's an idiot. i think most americans think he's a sleazeoidgrifter. senate judiciary chairman chuck grassley dismissed the allegations telling cnn they base it on what a liar says so it hurts the credibility of it. and here's how house majority leader kevin mccarthy responded to congressman adam schiff's assertion that donald trump could face the real prospect of jail time for his role in directing michael cohen to make illegal payoffs during the presidential campaign. >> the president hires an attorney to solve a problem, he expects him to do it in a legal
manner. if adam schiff is taking this beyond to go forward and say there's an impeachable offense because of a campaign finance problem, there's a lot of members in congress who would have to leave for that same reason. >> you have republicans reading in to something about which they don't really know anything, the mueller investigation. it's been a black box except for the few documents, sentencing documents we've seen recently. but as i said earlier it's one thing to cast skepticism upon an investigation, worry about the credibility of michael cohen and perhaps the motivations of some democrats in congress and perhaps some in the media. something else entirely to dismiss out of the hand frof ha prosecutors of southern district of new york based on evidence they've seen. >> there's two things you can fix in life. you can't fix crazy and you can't fix stupid. when you listen to these
senators, betting on trump, despite all of the lies, despite the fact that we now know 16 people affiliated with the campaign have contact with russians, despite it all, they are prepared to bet it all that donald trump is telling the truth. not bob mueller, not somebody who has distinguished himself over a lifetime of career of service to the country, including being a marine officer wounded in combat. it's extraordinary to watch. as somebody who lives in the state of utah, looking at something 80-year-old orrin hatch, the hypocrisy is to astounding when you look at what the man said during the clinton impeachment, it just begs the imagination in any capacity i have to describe the hypocrisy in the english language. for the state of utah, when you look at about the trade up from orrin hatch to mitt romney it's
like trading in a pinto for ferrari. the state of utah and the country will be much better off but the hypocrisy is astounding. >> mike let me read and you can take it from here. hatch worried president clinton lied to the american people. he said crimes of obstruction of justice go to the heart of qualification for public office. that's orrin hatch then talking about president clinton. >> everybody in utah and a lot of people in the country can be relieved by the fact that within a month orrin hatch will be in the backyard staring at the most and out of washington, d.c. but, doris, i'm struck continually and i think steve is as well, every time you mention the country, you think and hear people who we just saw and were told about senator kennedy from louisiana, senator hatch, kevin mccarthy talking about the
situation that we're in as if there's nothing to see here, let's move along. yet, when you think about the fact that they have already been, the mueller investigation has already exposed the fact that 14 different russians were approached by members of the trump campaign team, allegedly intent on giving away parts of the country. you wonder about the tale that history is, tells us about the shaping of america and the fact that these people seemingly know very little about history but who in history would be up to matching donald trump? you've written about republicans like teddy roast, abraham lincoln. who is out there in history who if he or she were here today would be a one-on-one match that everyone would pay to say. >> i would bring teddy roast back. he knew how to deal with a bully. from the time he was little he was beset by bullies and he said
you have to make your body to get back at them. but more importantly he understood the way you fight and you fight with humor. when somebody went after him at one point as if he had bribed republicans in order to get campaign contributions, he said if this ever were true, if this evidence is true, i should be damned in infamy. it's a wicked lie. it's a monstrous lie. come get me the evidence or shut up. they didn't have it and that did it. he wanted a square deal for the rich and poor whereas donald trump said i don't like these deals where both sides win. the only ones that matter is where i win and crush the opponent. and he can speak in soft tweets. speak softly and carry a big stick. don't hit until you have to and then hit hard. even the maxwell house slogan, good to the last drop. >> are you worried about the country, for the country? >> i'm getting increasingly worried.
when you hear things like this where republicans are not even willing to say we don't know what's going on and at least hold back something, they don't worry their statements now will be contradicted possibly a month from now. we know what they said before for clinton, you know what they say now and it doesn't matter. people are saying, okay, if you lied in those old days even when franklin roosevelt said i won't put boys in for foreign wars, he was criticized for something that didn't happen. or read my lips with george bush. there were consequences when you said something. eisenhower when he finally had to say he did not say the truth about the u2. he said that was a weather plane. that was one of the worst moments in his life. now people can say things and two weeks later they can introduce something different. they don't seem to jitter about it at all. lack of political truth is what's concerning me.
>> doris talks about speaking softly and carrying a big stick, which could be seen as elegant, dignified strategy, effective strategy. and then we got bam bam as president, bam bam from "the fli flintstones." how does he hire someone to work for him to be his chief of staff. that search is more and more difficult. the contenders on the short list signal a lack of interest. treasury secretary steve mnuchkin suggested he would have a hard time to get to a yes. "wall street journal" reports white house budget director mic mulvaney is taking pass. one source tells nbc news he could be convinced. here's what conservative congressman mark meadows said about the possibility of being picked for the job.
>> he's got a number of people who gladly serve in, you know, in his administration. so any narrative that would suggest otherwise just is not accurate. at this particular point i'm looking forward to having conversations with the president, if he so chooses, and yet at the same time i'm focused on my day job which is really about representing the people of west north carolina. >> well that's so different than when you're asked to serve you serve. people familiar with the matter have also told the "journal" that president trump is considering chris christie for the position. what does it take to get to a no when you are asked to serve in the white house? >> it's extraordinary. extraordinary departure for people who work in politics. certainly the case if you're someone who would ever be considered to be chief of staff to the president of the united states. the president asks you to serve the country the answer is yes,
mr. president. it would be an honor to do so. what we see is all the careerists putting their ambition ahead of their service. in the case of mark meadows somebody has the requisite dishonesty necessary to be chief of staff to the president in this administration, but as a general proposition, when we look out at the field of -- we look out at the field of candidates they understand that they won't survive this, that their integrity, their reputation, their careers all of it will go up in smoke. i just think as we see now this public auditioning for this job perhaps bring back omarosa or gary busey or meatloaf or some other contestants. as we watch this unfold from public turning down of this by a 36-year-old political operative all you can say when you look at
it, though it's tragic, what a joke this all has become in slightly less than two years since donald trump raised his hand, swore the 35 word oath of office and then has proceeded to desecrate it every moment of his presidential term since that moment where he said so help me god. >> what makes it so tragic is this used to be the height of public service goal. imagine to be chief of staff in the white house. some of our best people have been. there's also perilous times. sherman adams ends up in jail. why no succession plan was in place. there's no plan. the idea, you're right that they are reaching out to people with least experience and people don't want to do it shows the state of public life right now. >> richard, the succession plan
was nick ayers. the assumption was that he would, obviously, take the promotion from the vice president chief of staff to the president and when presented with that he said thanks but no thanks i'll work from the outside. >> i'll do it for three months as if he's going to be a life guard at the beach. it tells you also too two other things. the chief of staff under this president is impossible. you have a family office. you have people there with unofficial authority. next year will be point. mueller will come at you. you're going to have to represent a president and administration that you're not in a position to represent. why would anybody want this job? it will be impossible to succeed and this will not be career enhancing. everyone who goes in there comes out diminished. this will not be an exception. >> wouldn't you like automatically need an attorney?
i mean, the questions and subpoenas that could be flying. you never know. the "new york times," by the way, has new reporting on the fallout between outgoing white house chief of staff john kelly and president trump along with a failed bid to lure young nick ayers, the vice president's chief of staff into the role. the paper quotes that ivanka and jared, their efforts on behalf of mr. ayers were widely seen as a coup attempt. started on behalf of a president who is unhappy with mr. kelly but could not bring himself to fire him. ayers rejection of the offer reportedly stunned the couple. the "times" also reports trump himself couldn't bring himself to personally fire kelly and quote looked for others to do the work for him. that's not new. at one point even looking to have ayers fire kelly according to three people familiar with the events. meanwhile kelly himself is
reportedly furious with ivanka and jared according to the "times". one senior administration official says mr. kelly was known to have kept written notes about mr. kushner and miss trump and the things they have done or requested which he left on his desk in view of his staff. knowing trump, gene robinson, to have nick ayers, this sort of, i guess, young republican operative who worked in the white house, worked for vice president pence, to have that guy turn it down, trump is embarrassed. he's mad. >> he should be embarrassed. but, you know, nick ayers, what was always said about him, he's young, very ambitious. anybody who is very ambitious should look at this job and say this is going kimmey career. was it good for the career of reince priebus, was it good for the career of john kelly. it was disastrous for both.
it was a miserable job. and, you know, if ayers had accepted he would have been, essentially not donald trump's chief of staff because he will never have a real chief of staff, he would have been jared and ivanka's chief of staff and that's not, that wouldn't work out. jared and ivanka are not particularly good at running the country that would have alienated or been a constant civil war inside the white house or a continuation of the civil war, the many sided civil war that's been going on since donald trump took the oath of office. it's a total mess. it's the worse job in america. and so, you know, why would he take it? >> and with jared and ivanka reportedly being stunned because they had been talking to him and wanting him to come on board and thought they had some confirmation that it would happen, i think this is the turning for them where they have to understand that people are just humoring them.
nobody is going to tell them truth. they all know this is bad and just say yeah, yeah and move away from them. that's hard for them to understand that their power is dwindling. >> donald trump running the country is awful. jared and ivanka running the country is at least as awful as that. because they are under illusions that they are a lot smarter than they really are, a lot more competent and capable than they really are, and you could -- it's just an unspeakable mess in there. you know, i reassure people that look, it's been worse, right? the years before the civil war, things were worse and the country was in a worse pickle. doris, am i wrong? i'm starting to worry that i'm giving, you know, being not accurate and that things were
worse. >> it hasn't been as bad since the 1850s and it didn't end up that well with the civil war. when you talk about the miserableness in the white house, nobody sees fulfillment in that job. it's hard enough to be in the white house if you have no joy. do you see president trump really finding himself in this job? he's fighting every moment. the only joy is when he's out on rallies. inside the white house he's trapped. i think that's what joe is saying. at some point he might resign. if this thing gets so bad and he can figure out an honorable way that he's doing something good to leave, he'll figure it out. something in his definition that allows him to go. >> another idea for the morning is rather than have jared and ivanka play the role, make them chief of staff. take the informal power, make them the formal power. make them accountable.
you don't have a second white house. it's time to make this a real white house. if you want the home have positions of responsibility give it. that way they can't undermine others. they have to be accountable. they have to like everybody else live up to the obligations. right now it's a cake and eat it white house. >> i suppose on the bright side the country now knows who the smartest person was working at 1600 pennsylvania avenue and of course that was nick ayers. >> yes. exactly. >> at least we know the answer to that question. >> all right. still ahead on "morning joe," of all the pressure bearing down on the president right now there's one topic that might be the most troubling to the white house. senator angus king explains which next on "morning joe". >> the white house has tremendous energy. it has tremendous spirit. it is a great place to be working. many, many people want every single job. i read oh, gee maybe people don't want to work for trump.
believe me everybody wants to work in the white house. they all want a piece of that oval office. they want a piece of the west wing. so many people want to come in. i have a choice of anybody. i can take any position in the white house and i'll have a choice of the ten top people having to do with that position. everybody wants to be there.
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response. let's talk about mr. mueller first. i thought the filing last week that really should chill the white house most thoroughly was the one from michael flynn, because he's at the heart or was certainly in the room where it happens, if you will, on the relationship between the trump campaign, if any, and the russians. he was in moscow, dinner with vladimir putin in december of 2015. he was a high adviser to the president throughout the campaign in the transition, we know during the transition he was in touch with the russians, and i think what's a little chilling for the white house about that is that he, obviously, is giving a great deal of information to the special counsel. they recommended no jail sentence, a kind of prosecutorial pardon, if you will, and there was a lot of material redacted. that goes to the heart of what relationship, if any, there was
between the campaign and the russians. that's the one i think that is the most certificate. what happened in the southern district of new york with michael cohen is also serious. it's a felony, but it's of a different order and i think the discussion really should sort of wait until we see the full scope of what the mueller investigation and our investigation at the senate intelligence committee comes up with. >> senator king, i want to ask you for a sense of what's going on in your home state of maine with regard to all of this. it's like a fire hose of news events every day. >> it sure is. >> but i suspect that most people up in brunswick, maine or portland, maine, not walking around and tweeteding all day. but when you go home can you speak at all to the sense of exhaustion that many people might be feeling about this exhaustion and frustration? >> well, i think people are frustrated, and it breaks into
groups, and we had in some cases my election is sort of a microcosm of where people are. my republican opponent got 35%, i think that represents a hard core republican trump base. my democratic opponent got a little over 10%. that's progressive democratic base. fortunately i got the rest. but there is a third of the state just as there is a third of the country who believes the president is under siege improperly and all those kinds of things and that's one of the reasons i think we have to wait and see the full scope of what the president is charged with. to be talking about impeachment now only will inflame that third of the country. they will feel it's kind of a coup or revenge or something like that. impeachment is a very high standard, in my view, and so people are -- i think one way to put it is people are waiting for the other shoe to drop. >> senator, good morning. steve schmidt here. you served as one member in a
body of 100 people known formally as the world's greatest deliberative body. we've seen the remarkable occasion of 44 former united states senators, men and women of both parties write an open letter to the couldn't to the senate talking about the senate's really institutional failures at this moment and the possible threat to american public and american democracy with the abdication of duty. what impact is there inside the united states senate. what have your colleagues said about it? >> i found it extraordinary particularly when you went down that list and saw who those people were. it was a bipartisan group. serious people, people who made a real impact in this country. bill cohen from maine, of course, was one of the key house members. he was one of the six republicans on the house judiciary committee that voted
for untthe impeachment of richa nixon. here was a guy who was willing to stand up against his party and do what he thought was right. so his signature on that letter was especially meaningful to me knowing that bit of history and i think it's important that we be reminded every now and then that it isn't all about politic, it isn't all about, you know, winning the next election or who is up or who is down or who is going to control the senate. there's an institutional responsibility here and it goes back deeply into american history. the senate has that role to sort of look closely at these issues and play a leveling role in policy decisions and that letter really was extraordinary. the other thing about it was political, to see all the democrats from states that no longer have democratic representation in the senate and how our politics have become more regional other than susan
collins no republicans in new england, now that bill nelson is gone, no democrats south of virginia in the southeast. so i think that's a disturbing trend that was underlined by the people that signed that letter. >> so, senator, the president is in the middle of a tweet storm about the border wall, border security. are we going to get to an agreement on the wall? >> well, i hope so. here's the thing about the wall that i think i haven't heard discussed very often. the issue with immigration now is not people swimming across the river and sneaking into the country illegally. these caravans, these people come, asylum seekers who are coming to the ports of entry, who are coming to the gates. putting a wall across southern arizona or texas or mexico won't affect that. the other fact is that 40% of the illegal aliens in the country today are here because they overstayed their visas.
in other words they got here illegally. this is a long way of saying that the wall isn't the answer to the immigration question that we're facing today. there was a time when there were a lot of people, you know, breaking into the country in effect. that's not happening any more. these asylum seekers are coming to places where they are supposed to be. they are not trying to climb over a wall. so it's just not the right solution. it doesn't make sense economically. $15, $20 million a mile. there's other ways to better secure the border. the president's tweet this morning, he makes it sound like you're either for the wall or eren borders. i voted along with two-thirds of the senate in 2013 for the stronges b provision ever attempted by the congress as part of the comprehensive immigration reform. nobody is for open borders. it's a question of smart border control, doing it in a humane and sensible way that makes
sense for the american taxpayers. >> all right, senator angus king, always good to see you and have you on the show. thank you very much for being on. doris, i just as you study presidents and you study this president and try to keep up with whatever parallels you see in history, what specific things have president donald trump done that are unprecedented in american history? what's the list? are we really off the charts here? >> i think what we're off the charts are in leadership strengths that most presidents at their best exhibit. humility being one. the ability to acknowledge errors and learn your mistakes. he thinks that's a terrible weakness. most importantly empathy is the most important quality that a leader in a presidency, a leader anywhere needs to have. the ability to understand loss and learn from it. he argues that he's never lost. that's why he's the best
temperament for anybody who has been president. of course he's been lost. bankruptcy. the loss of his brother. if you can't absorb that there's something about you not able to grow. the ability not to grow in office. the ability to control your emotions. abra lam lincoln would write letters and then wait to school down. roosevelt made private speeches about people he thought were traitors. but all the presidents that i've studied who were at their best somewhere along the line the ambition for self becomes an ambition for the greater good. no longer is the "i" any more it's "we." we keep waiting for that moment for president trump. you have to half self-reflex and dignity and character to make that happen. i'm trying to be hopeful and
waiting that something will change. there's a moment where he realizes he's president and not campaigning. >> that will never happen. we have a president a man of unprecedented loathe some and despicable character. i think about the country's greatest presidents. somebody you studied, lincoln. upon the occasion of his assassination somebody who was so skeptical of lincoln at the beginning of his tenure, sherman the great union general is asked to reflect on his life. he says of lincoln i met all the great men of the world, the industrialist, the kings, emperors, but i never met a person possessing the qualities of greater goodness than abraham lincoln. we have a small man, a vile man, a mean man, a corrupt man, a dishonest man. there will be no growth.
there will be no slowing down of any of it. what we're going to see in the months and year ahead is the resiliency of the american constitutional system, our republican form of government which has endured since 1787 and singularly was designed by the genius of our founding fathers in anticipation of the moment when we would have a man like donald trump as president. it would not have surprised the founding fathers that we have a president like trump, maybe the only thing that would have surprised them is it took this long to get there. but now we'll see the test of all of the mechanisms of our system as we confront what increasingly seems to be an illegitimate and criminal regime in the american white house. >> lincoln worried about that precise thing and in an address he said the answer to it was to go back and remember the ideals of the revolution and to teach
the home your kid every night like you're reading the bible and then you'll put that against the idea of such a person being in power who trying to tear down rather than build up. he saw that happening in the 1830s. he warned against it. that was the answer. go back to history. go back to things we know. >> doris kerns goodwin thank you. still ahead on "morning joe," british parliament is always a little peculiar to the american eye but particularly yesterday when one member grabbed a five-foot ceremonial mace from the chamber in protest of theresa may to call off the brexit vote. he was expelled from the room. we'll check on where uk politics land on the economists preview of the world in 2019. that's coming up. you're watching "morning joe". we'll be right back. ♪
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bottomless pinnochio. it's for false claims repeated over and over claim. claims but get three or four pinnochios. the only person that meets that standard is donald trump. the "post" drops most politicians drop a four-pinocchio claim either out of duty to be accurate or concern that spreading false information could be politically damaging. not trump. the president keeps going long after the facts are clear. he's not merely making gaffes or misstating things, he's purposely injecting false information into the national conversation. here are just a few examples cited by the "post." >> economy is the strongest it's
ever been in the history of our country. >> except for one senator who came into a room at 3:00 in the morning and went like that, we would have had health care too. >> we need the wall. we started building the wall. >> i've had the head of u.s. steel call me the other day and he said we're opening up six major facilities. >> our country lost last year 817 billion dollars in terms of deficit. >> $450 billion worth of things ordered from a very rich country. saudi arabia. >> no russia. it was all made up by the democrats. >> the mexican border is very unprotected by our laws. we have very horrible and unsafe laws in the united states. >> coming up from bob mueller to christine blasey ford we preview the short list yesterday for "time" magazine's person of the year. we'll find out who took the top spots straight ahead on "morning joe".
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and two-hour appointment windows. click, call or visit a store today. >>. china, tech and a rush to the moon, the economist is out with its annual issue previewing the year ahead. joining us now to run through the list the magazine's executive daniel franklin. always a fun issue. dove tails with what richard haass has been talking about in foreign affairs sway look into the future. we've been talking about europe as it relates to the united states and what we're going through here and what we will go through in 2019 whether there's a democratic led congress in the house and also the mueller investigation proceeds and he may present his findings. what jumps out at you first of all in 2019 across the world >> it's a big year for democracy, first of all as more than a third of the world's population lives in countries that will be voting in a national election in 2019. coun
going to be voting in a national election in 2019. that includes the world's biggest democracy, india. indonesia, the world's third biggest democracy. and the european union. across all these places you're going to see the this battle playing out between globalists and nationalists. that's a huge theme for the year ahead. and then the economy, which i think is looking shaky. a year ago we would have been talking about a synchronized upswing, now we're looking at nervousness more or less everywhere. >> the economic wind is changing. number two is the markets converging. number four you have brexit. >> yes. >> that's been called in some question over the last 24 hours or so. is the u.k. going to leave europe? >> everything is now up in the air. the whole idea that we were on a smooth or smooth-ish path toward brexit, which is supposed to happen tend he end of march 201
now completely uncertain. you have the full gamut of possibilities, crashing out with no deal at all, chaos. and pulling out, possibly having another referendum, possibly a new government. all of these things are suddenly real possibilities. it's a tremendous mess. in my lifetime i have not seen such a mess in british politics. >> everyone assumes china's rise. how concerned are people where you are about not china's rise but china hitting a major speed bump? >> the economy is slowing. 2019 is an awkward year for china, because years ending in the number nine funnily enough carry with them a lot of tricky anniversaries. the may 4th movement which was a protest movement which is part of the history of the chinese
communist party. they celebrate it, but it's a protest against authority. fs it was invoked in 1989 in ten m -- tiananmen square. >> push back against xi jinping. >> pushback, nervousness. but he is also extraordinarily powerful. there's a big debate, i think, happening in china at the moment and not least pushed by the trouble that china is having with the united states. and there are some who find that that's good for the reform movement in china. they're getting pressure and it strengthens the hand of system people pushing for more reform. >> certainly in the west the right parties are not really covering themselves in glory. macronism is on its heels in france.
the toryto the rise of progressive populism, the pushback against centrists and populist right-ism. >> we're going to have a lot of populism in europe. we have a number of elections for the european parliament which is a kind of free ride for protest movements because people don't care so much what the actual makeup of that parliament is. people care more about national politics. but in that election they get a chance to say that they're fed up with whoever's in power. i think you're going to get shock aftersho shock in france. >> something jumped out to me that had nothing to do with any of this. that's the moon rush. i don't know if it's because it es spiring or what, but you said in 2019 there's going to be a moon rush. >> 2019 is the 50th anniversary
of the landing on the moon. that is helping to inspire a lot of activity in lunor explorat n exploration. it's part of the great excitement that there is today in space travel. there's a lot of private activity. huge amounts of satellite launches and so on. >> number 13 on the list is the yankees winning the world series. >> really? >> yes, really. it's an important note. >> the economist always the leading prick tlead ing predictor of who's going to win the world series. thank you so much. the world in 2019 issue of the economist is out and available now. and amid the talk of a possible recession on the way next year, we will talk to the veterans of the last financial
crisis. that's coming up this morning. also the incoming chairman of the house intelligence committee adam schiff after saying this on sunday. >> we have been discussing the issue of pardons that the president may offer to people or dangle in front of people. the bigger pardon question may come down the road as the next president has to determine whether to pardon donald trump.
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impeachable offenses because even though they were committed before the president became president, they were committed in the service of fraudulently obtaining the office. >> 10,000 protesters on the streets, palace in lockdown, a police crackdown, a thousand arrests. >> it's the start of a revolution. >> as a result if we went ahead and held the vote tomorrow, the deal would be rejected by a significant margin. >> wow. talk of presidential impeachment in america, paris in flames and a brexit deal ripping europe to pieces. as richard haass calls it, a bad day in politics for what we used to call the west. joe is off today but with willie and me, we have mike barnicle, noah rothman, republican
strategist susan dell pers owe. president of the council on foreign relations and author of the book "a world in disarray." and boy, does it seem to be. pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor for the "washington post" eugene robinson. are these crises one-offs or are they world wide populism still burning. >> i wish they were one-offs. but at the risk of starting people's day on a downer, this is now part of the new normal. you've got populism of the left. we're seeing that in france. real concerns about inequality, making ends meet. you've got politics of the right against immigration over cultural anxiety and then against a backdrop what we used to call the west. no consensus and not a lot of will on how to organize the world. to add this all up, the domestic
challenges against authority, the lack of international cooperation. i never thought when i wrote a book with disarray in the title, i would turn out to be an optimist. things turned out worse than we thought. >> is there a way out for macron and may looking forward? >> in the long run there's a way out. there's nothing about this that's inevitable. it's not inevitable that things are bad, but yesterday we didn't see the way out. we saw a retreat or capitulation in france that's not going to be enough for the yellow vests. there's no way to clearly pay for it. brexit, there's zero consensus. you've got a truly divided country. a big part of us is on us, mika. the united states was the principal architect of the world order for the last three quarters of a century. now you've got a united states rather than supporting order and the world as we've known it,
we've now become the principal disrupter. china is very happy to eat our lunch. this is a bad combination. >> it's tumultuous. we're going to look much deeper into what's going on in europe coming up. some top republicans are dismissing allegations that donald trump directed his former fixer michael cohen to make illegal hush money payments to two women during the 2016 campaign. when asked if he had any concerns, senator orrin hatch told cnn that democrats will do anything to hurt this president. when he was told the allegations came from the southern district of new york, hatch said, okay, but i don't care. all i can say is he's doing a good job as president. hatch was asked whether he was concerned about the allegations and he said no, because i don't think he was involved in crimes, but even then, you know, you can make anything a crime under the
current -- oh my -- he's turning into trump. honestly, these people are turning into trump. if you want to, you can blow it way out of proportion. you can do a lot of things. louisiana senator john kennedy told nbc news, let me say this about mr. cohen. jesus loves him but everyone else thinks he's an idiot. i think most americans think he's a sleazeoid grifter. i can't imagine basing any prosecution on the word of mr. cohen. senate judiciary committee chuck grassley said they based it on what a liar says, so it hurts the credibility of it. that liar was employed as a close fixer for the president for more than a decade, but okay. here's how house majority leader kevin mccarthy responded to congressman adam schiff's assertion that donald trump could face the real prospect of jail time for his role in
directing michael cohen to make illegal payoffs during the presidential campaign. >> the president hires an attorney to solve a problem, he expects him to do it in a legal manner. if schiff is taking this beyond to go forward and say there's an impeachable offense because of a campaign finance problem, there's a lot of members in congress who would have to leave for that same place. >> willie geist, it's incredible. to me, this is despicable. >> and also what they're arguing against is information and findings and allegations coming from prosecutors in the southern district of new york, not from democrats, not from the media. this is a case put together by prosecutors. if you go back through history, you look at comments, for example, from orrin hatch during impeachment in 1999 he worried about moral turpitude and obstruction of justice and these things being disqualifying for
being in offense. to see him less than two decades later coming out and saying, maybe, but he's a good guy, he's doing a good job, i don't buy michael cohen as a witness. it's a completely different standard he's using from one president to the last. >> it is. i kind of find the reaction among republicans and republican pundits to be a little unsatisfying. the notion that democrats will have to embrace some disqualifying amount of hypocrisy in order to argue at the fundamental level this is about sex, pairing off a pa paramor. i find that unconvincing not just because embracing hypocrisy is no obstacle for a political actor but because these are difference in kind. also because the president's legal team are not arguing're a. john edwards was acquitted on five others. there are distinctions as to the nature of this case. donald trump's case might be a
little more prosecutable because it happened so early in the campaign. they're arguing now that these allegations which destroyed john edwards, rendered him politically toxic are the model they are following. that seems like a very bad bet. >> what's interesting is there's a case that's going to be laid out by the southern district. the democrats don't have to jump the gun on this because that case is going to be there. the republicans are foolish for coming out so far ahead of this. makes me wonder what the president has promised them in exchange, because there's no other way to explain this kind of behavior. on top of that this is just one case that involved from the investigation. mueller still has to provide his full report. and i think that it would be wise for the democrats as well as the republicans to keep their powder dry until they have facts in front of them. it would just seem the logical course. some more from house majority leader kevin mccarthy.
speaking yesterday, he said that his democratic colleagues should not make investigating president trump a top priority when they retake the house majority next month. >> i think america's too great of a nation to have such a small agenda. i think there's other problems out there that we really should be focused upon. we've investigated this for a long period of time. both sides have come up with nothing in the process. >> if by nothing in the process means indictments or guilty pleas from 33 people and three companies so far, then he's right. as for his argument that democrats should not make investigating the president the top priority, you'll recall that in 2014 mccarthy and other house republicans set up a special kmi committee dedicated to investigating the 2012 attacks in benghazi. in an interview the following year, mccarthy celebrated the committee putting a dent in hillary clinton's poll numbers. remember this? >> everybody thought hillary
clinton was unbeatable, right? but we put together a benghazi special committee, a select committee. what are her numbers today? her numbers are dropping. why? because she's untrustable. >> it's painful. the republican party screams that it must stand for the rule of law at the border, tear gassing desperate families, but they're not sure, they're just not sure if they want to do the same at the white house. doesn't apply. the trump justice department has shown candidate trump led a conspiracy to commit a campaign finance felony by illegally directing the paying off of two alleged mistresses for their silence to help him win the election. the republican reaction has been disgraceful. the top republican in the house, kevin mccarthy shamefully, pathetically says the law shouldn't be enforced. what a suck-up. gop senators hatch, grassley and kennedy have become trump. this week they've tried to
divert attention from trump to michael cohen, who trump hired for decades, ignoring the justice department and scoffing at the rule of law, what makes this country work. the same republican party that demands that the full extent of the law be brought down on 2-year-old babies ripped from their mothers' arms at the mexican border believes we should ignore the apparently illegal actions of a billionaire who won the white house, quite possibly by committed felonious acts in the final weeks of the campaign. and fantastic. in america no man is above the law and they know that. but don't tell that to these republicans, who continue to defend a politician who is trashing the rule of law, destroying their party and this country in the process. to me, i say, good luck with that. mike barnicle? >> well, mika, the level of hypocrisy here is not
surprising. it's fairly predictable. kevin mccarthy's comments that we just played in context are ridiculous. and i'm sure that somewhere within them, within kevin mccarthy, within senator kennedy from louisiana, within senator grassley, they've got to know that what occurred last week with regard to michael cohen, the allegations about campaign finance law violations, those are just appetizers given us by the special prosecutor and the southern district of new york, the u.s. attorney here, appetizers. because the context of what is about to come clearly is within all of the redactions in what we saw last week. there's a lot to come. the key here is -- and we have to remind ourselves here at this table and other tables like this in this country, we know nothing about what robert mueller has and what he can unload at any moment in time. the frustrating thing about all
of this, about all of the red rick th -- rhetoric that we just heard is it feeds into the narrative about what's going on in the world. america as a leader is now stage left or stage right, depending on your political view. we are not paying a part in what we should and have always played a part in. 70 years ago was the advent of the berlin air lift, led by the united states of america. that is a distant dream. this country's role in the world is now lost in the fog of the past. still ahead, the kremlin 2016 and another guilty plea, an accused russian agent is poised to start cooperating with prosecutors over an alleged attempt by moscow to influence the nra. ♪ voice-command navigation with waze wifi
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♪ even as republicans dismiss all these accusations and allegations, there are more developments. a russian national accused of running a campaign to influence powerful conservative americans reportedly has agreed to plead guilty. maria buttina's plea deal includes cooperating with prosecutors after spending five months in jail for alleged crimes that predate the 2016 election. the 30-year-old previously pleaded not guilty in jewuly sf conspiracy and failing to register as a foreign agent. buttina reportedly tried to set
up a 2016 meeting between president trump and vladimir putin. she will most likely be deported after her release. additional court documents request for the plea deal to be signed off by a d.c. judge tomorrow afternoon. gene robinson, as we get more and more developments, it seems every day there's something new from the special counsel or prosecutors. it makes it all the worse that republicans dismiss everything out of hand. they say he's doing a good job. that's the cover. the president is doing a good job, so let's not look into this. it's one thing to say i don't buy michael cohen as a witness. it's a completely different thing to say i don't believe any of it. >> yes, it is. by the way, that other evidence, everyone seems to forget that we have a tape. we have the president of the united states on tape committing one of these felonies or directing michael cohen to commit one of these two election
campaign contribution felonies that he has confessed to committing. so there's no question as to whether or not he did this. and i don't understand why republicans would say, oh well, you know it's all just the word of a known liar. this known liar has a recording of it happening. so you can't really deny it's going on. the other thing that i think republicans are forgetting just on the sort of basis, look how it worked out for them in the midterm election, not very well. so this idea that they're going to stick by -- continue to stick by donald trump not even a discouraging word about what is clearly criminal conduct by the president and his circle is a bad political strategy that is
likely to make 2020 look even worse for them. but they keep marching down this road. >> i mean, we can't even ask the question if this were a democrat because it's too painfully office that if this were a democrat, the same republicans that we have mentioned would be going crazy. but it's not even about politics. for the republicans we've mentioned this morning, you're not leading. you're not a leader. you are a disappointment. the question you'll have to ask yourself for the rest of your life when you look in the mirror is whether or not you were complicit in the damage this president is doing to this country. good luck with that. that will stay with you forever. up next, the incoming chairman of the house intel committee congressman adam schiff is standing by. what's topping his list for the coming term next on "morning joe."
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schiff of california. also with us visiting scholar ap the carnegie endownment david ro rothkauf. you had a twitter thread that was retweeted and got a big response by a lot of people. summarize the argument that you made so that i get it perfect. >> well, i guess i was summarizing the full litany of things we know about the trump administration so far. you know, sometimes i think we get a little punchdrunk because every day there's some new story and it makes us forget the one the day before and the day before. it's not just maria buttina. it's not just what michael cohen has said. it's not just paul manafort or the trump tower or jared kushner or the meeting in the s
seychelles. it's about russia moving in on ukraine and us not doing anything about it. so what you've got is a breathtaking scope of contacts by 14 members of the trump campaign on a dozen deferent levels. there is quid and there is pro and there is quo here. so there's a lot of people who say you haven't proven collusion. this is the most sweeping case of collusion that's ever been presented. and it's not the only case against trump, because there's the southern district of new york case and there's the case on emoluments and there's the case on his charities and so forth. i think sometimes we have to take a step back to realize this is by far the most sweeping scandal in the history of the american presidency. >> so adam schiff, if you could
respond, what is your biggest concern right now and where are you laser focused? it appears this president could be implicated in many ways in impacting the sanctity testiof election process and also perhaps putting our national security at risk. >> i think david is absolutely right. what's always made this so challenging is the public has learned different facts just within the russia investigation in a day by day drip by drip fashion. when you learn it that way, it's hard to see how does this all fit together and just how damming dam i -- damning is the picture it presents. it is a pretty damning portrait with multiple contacts in the trump campaign, multiple lies about the meetings that took place and concocting false stories about what the meetings were about. it's a pretty damning portrait. even now we don't see all the
pieces. i think some of the most interesting aspects of the filings in the last week, from my point of view, is the reference, for example, that michael cohen provided information that is core to the special counsel's investigation vis-a-vis the trump organization. now, what does that mean? if it's central to the special counsel's investigation, it's also central to ours in the house intelligence committee and it certainly sounds like that's on the issue or collusion or conspiracy. does that mean that there's more than the trump tower that the trump organization was involved in with the russians? or is there more to that transaction than we know? one of the things i think will be fascinating to see if we can glean from the plea agreement with buttina -- and i'm pretty
circumstance spe circumstan -- was that a prearranged question. and if so, who was doing the prearranging? bob mueller may know some of the answers to some of these questions. it's our intention, the intel committee, to find out and do what we said we would at the beginning, which is follow the evidence wherever it may lead. >> you will take over as chair of that intelligence committee just over a month from now. there's great anticipation of that among democrats, among progressives. what will be day one inside that committee for you? where will you begin in that committee in congress? >> right now we are outlining our investigative plan, which is really something we've been working on for quite some time. now that we know we'll have the gavel and subpoena power, what witnesses will we want to bring in first, what documents should
we go after? there are certain ones we're well aware of. i think i would put michael cohen near the top of the list. i think he has demonstrated a willingness to cooperate with the special counsel. we're already with his attorney to find out other areas of his testimony that may have been inaccurate or incomplete. we certainly want to explore that area of core interest vis-a-vis the trump organization. but there are numerous documents that we were not allowed to pursue. one of the first documents that i want to make outreach to get is the phone records that would indicate whether the president was in the know about the trump tower meeting with the russians in advance. that is the meeting with jared kushner and with his son and with paul manafort that he denied knowledge of. we know there's a call from a blocked number during the setup of that meeting. we want to know was that from the president of the united states. >> congressman, so it seems as
though according to public reporting the russian provocation in the sea of azuth may have been just a prelude. vladimir putin may see a window between now and ukraine's elections on the 31st for another land grab. how would you like to see the administration respond perhaps in order to preempt that or afterwards in order to punish them since the sanctions regime on moscow doesn't seem to have imposed any discipline on moscow. >> i think the key is not to wait until there's another effort at a land or sea grab. the administration can telegraph to the russians this would meet a very severe response, that it would require additional military assistance to ukraine. frankly, i think one of the mistakes made during the obama administration was not providing defensive weapons to ukraine. we had committed to them in 1994
as part of the budapest memorandum that we would help ensure their sovereignty. i don't think we've lived up to that. so defensive weapons and also strong diplomatic outreach to the russians to assure them we will push back hard if there's further aggression, that we're serious about implementation of the mensk accords. >> robert mueller is the artist who is going to give us the full portrait. are you at all concerned about too much emphasis being placed on two separate investigations. we get it piecemeal dropped every couple of weeks by mueller and this fever of impeachment as opposed to let's wait for the whole thing to drop and take a look at it. >> i think it's probably a
mistake to focus too much on any one investigation. i know congressman schiff's committee is going to look at areas mueller doesn't look at. for example money laundering is an area they're likely to look much more deeply. we have the southern district of new york with another investigation. we've got other suits. the crimes of this president are so sweeping that they're more than any one investigation with actually take in. you talk about a fever for impeachment. i think there's plenty of reason why this president would be impeached based on just what we know. but would it benefit us to wait a few months longer, hear what mueller has to say, watch the kmi committee investigations on the hill, yes, i think it would benefit us because i think it's very, very important that we send a message that the american system of justice works, that presidents are not above the law and that when we call a
president to account, we are doing so with deeply grounded, rigorously investigated cases that make the case beyond a reasonable doubt, because we don't want to create a situation where people are saying it was a political move as opposed to a move in the name of justice. >> congressman, you have a lot on your plate obviously with the mueller investigation and looking into things with trump. and should perhaps you wait until the full mueller investigation comes out to pursue that? in the meantime, you're going to be the incoming chair of the intel committee. what about things like saudi arabia or north korea, for example? i think that warrants what the president has said a severe investigation into north korea. >> these are going to be very high priorities for us. you're absolutely right. russia gets the most attention,
but it's not the only threat that we face either internally or externally. we are going to be doing deep dives into saudi arabia and north korea. one of the responsibilities of our committee is to determine whether we're getting the best intelligence from these places, what those intelligence agencies can tell us not just about the kashoggi murder but about our reliance on saudi arabia, on the stability of saudi arabia, on saudi's role in the war in yemen, the peace process. with respect to north korea, can we believe the assurances by our president that we can now sleep well at night because north korea is ir ref ka isiv irrevoch towards denuclearization. so that will be absolute priorities. we are not going to be able to
have the luxury of waiting until bob mueller is finished. there was some discussion of that initially, whether the congress should defer to the special counsel. that would have meant we would be deferring for a year and a half. but we are going to look at issues in particular that may not be the subject of the special counsel's work and money laundering is very much among them. >> congressman adam schiff, thank you so much. up next, we'll find out who "time magazine" picked for its 2018 person of the year. - [narrator] the typical vacuum head has its limitations,
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the staff at the capital gaze e gazette. good to see you this morning. we were just talking about how agonizing this is for you all every year. take us inside the room. what was the debate and how tough was the choice? >> this was a tough year. i watched your segment yesterday and it looked easier around this table than it was for all of us back at the office. you know, the main story lines of 2018 were moving really into last week. so it was a tough year. i think when we really stopped to look at the major themes, the common thread is the manipulation, abuse of trust, democracy in crisis. so we chose to highlight these individuals who are standing up for truth and free expression at a moment when technology and the
political environment are threatening both around the world. >> was there any hesitancy within the debate around the table about this selection, about the self-reverence about the media, ourselves, self-absorption, stuff like that? >> these are people, all of them who took great risks, faced unimaginable obstacles, in some cases gave their lives for the pursuit of facts, of truth. you know, there's an extraordinary quote from kashoggi in one of his last columns where he says i still wake up every morning and ponder the choice i've made to speak my mind. this is an existential question for democracy, for freedom that extend well beyond journalism, well beyond trump, well beyond all of us. >> whether it is or not it's
going to be interpreted by the president and his allies as a rebuke of him. he calls the media the enemy of the people. it's been a very bad year for journalists. so this is deserved. but is it a rebuke of this president? >> for all the name calling, we still live in a country in the united states where a news organization can sue the white house and win at the hands of a trump-appointed judge. we're a country where jamal kashoggi actually took refuge. the rhetoric, i think lots of signs and evidence of it being used by dangerous actors around the world. and that's an issue. but the u.s., for all our trouble, for all the contentiousness, remains a beacon, i think, for hope and for truth and for free expression around the world. >> when you look at who else was in the running, if you will, number five was the president of south korea. how so?
>> kicked the conversation, brought the north back into the fold. we'll see where it all goes, but a brave and remarkable move. but it's still very much unfolding, which i think is why he landed where he did. i think one of the main themes, story lines of the year, certainly. >> when does the in-house debate about the selection process begin? how long does it go on? how many meetings are there? >> it's been nonstop pretty much 24 hours a day for three months. we start with a terrific meeting of the entire staff at the end of september where people around the world dial in and we debate and discuss the people of the year, the themes of the year. it's really a great way to -- actually a lot of wonderful story ideas come out of it, but
it's a spirited discussion of the entire staff. over time the circle narrows, but the debate continues. some years there's an obvious player early in the process. this year, as i said, the story lines were moving really into last week. >> three weeks left. who knows what can happen? >> number two was donald trump on the list, number three was robert mueller. we've gotten drips and drabs out of his investigation. his year may be next year perhaps. >> we're at the beginning of the crescendo of this story. he has had a remarkable, methodical year. about three dozen people and entities charged with almost 200 crimes laid out in page-turning detail the way the russian influence unfolded. it certainly had enormous impact on the year but i think this will be the big story of 2019. we'll see.
>> what was the conversation between one and two? what did that debate look like? >> all presidents, especially this president's had extraordinary impact, of course on the year and the headlines around the globe, reshaped the supreme court, immigration, regulation and exposed the weaknesses of our system. but i think what was interesting about this year is that it also exposed the strength, revealed the strength of the system. and we saw a blue wave bigger than most of us predicted in the house. democratic victories in the state legislatures. many rebukes in the courts for trump. and of course the mueller investigation steamed ahead. coming up next on "morning joe," we have the rare chance to sit down with those three men
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that's a look at the special "panic." the 2008 financial crisis. behind the scenes of america's economic collapse. now a decade, can you believe that. it unveils the unlikely relationship that developed over the course of that time between our next guests, former u.s. treasury secretary and chairman of the pulsen institute, henry paulson. his successor, the 75th secretary of the treasury, timothy geithner and also the former chairman, distinguished fellow at the brookings institute, ben bernanke. did you see sorkin's movie? they're like, no, we were there. >> we lived it. >> so mr. secretary, let's start with you. this was a moment in time unlike -- the likes of which none of us had seen before.
none of us were prepared for. we'd all read that what happened in 1929 -- >> yep. >> but there was a time, a week or so, when we really didn't know whether all the banks were going to go under. whether the economies we knew were going to go under, there was going to be panic in the streets. talk about that time and that uncertainty and your instinct on how to move this country through it. >> well, we were -- we were looking into the abyss literally because i think there is a time if we had one more major institution go down, the whole system would have gone down and we wouldn't have known how to put it back together again. it would have been very difficult. this was -- but it wasn't really that one week. this thing went on for an extended period of time. and there were plenty of scary moments. but to me the enduring memory of
that is how the u.s. government came together. because we saw some of the worst behaviors leading up to that time. ultimately, we saw great bipartisan cooperation, you know, democrats, republicans. we saw continuity between the administrations. we saw people working together. and to me, the other enduring memory is, you know, george bush and his leadership. and of course working with these two guys. >> the moment where you thought, my god, we may not be able to navigate out of this? >> right, it was really tough. i think one of the first moments for me was when -- after lehman failed, after tim negotiated with aig, to prevent collapse on top of that, hank and i had to go to congress. they took our questions and they were very, you know, interested. and they basically told us that
congress has nothing to do with this, this is your dear and we're not going to -- this is no promise of any kind of support. early on. the big problem we faced was that it took a while before the impact of the crisis really began to be felt on main street. initially, it looked like we were running around. looked like we were trying to bail out our friends on wall street when we were really trying to protect the economy. early on that wasn't so evident. political support only came through a period of time. >> secretary geithner would use the term abyss. just as a practical matter what did the abyss look like? how bad could this have been? >> hank said famously we're three days away from the economy not working. companies across the country where at the point where they were not going to be able to meet payroll and lose the capacity to finance themselves. they ended up firing millions of people.
that's one way to think about it. the economy can't survive the collapse of the financial system. there's no way to separate the interest of the average person from a collapsing financial system. there's no choice for the country except to step in and do whatever it takes to try to keep the core of the system furn functioning so the lights stay on. >> the secretary was talking about how democrats and republicans work together. we saw the celebration of george h.w.'s life and his ability to bring both sides together and make difficult compromises. can you talk about how that happened in september of 2008? between an incoming president who will be the first to admit he ran against george w. bush's legacy and ran against it hard and tough throughout that campaign. but even in the middle of the campaign, everybody came together to do what they
thought -- >> a lot of credit goes to the outgoing and incoming president. george w. bush was a stand-up guy. he did very unpopular things in order to support the effort to stop the collapse of the financial system and he was willing to take actions to try to reduce the pressure on obama when the new president came in. meanwhile, president obama also embraced the effort. he appointed tim geithner who was involved in these things, made him the treasury secretary. so president obama, he called me, he talked to hank, you know, he was engaged as well. so the leadership from the two presidents was really critical. and then i give credit to the leadership in the congress. people like barney frank and chris dodd and richard shelby and many other people who did kron tribute. when the chips were down, the congress did what they had to do. >> both these presidents were
willing to try to let a bunch of people around them figure out what was best for the country, despite the terrible political costs of most of those choices. and willing to have people debate what made sense. figure out what was best of the terrible options available. and focus on what was right and what was effective, not their political interest. >> final thoughts, mr. chairman? >> we're doing this -- we participated in this documentary ten years later. we thing it's important for people to remember this. you know, the enemy is forgetting. if we forget about what happened, it's going to be too easy to say well, you know, we can unwind protections. it's important to keep alert and make sure our system is strong enough so whatever new shocks hit, we'll be able to absorb them without having consequences
for the economy. >> all right, the special report, panic, the untold story of the 2008 financial crisis is available to watch on hbo go and hbo now. henry paulson, timothy geithner, ben bernanke, thank you. by the way, by the way, i really think that secretary geithner needs to see too big to fail. he had billy krupp, like a rock star. pretty good. >> they say he's awesome. >> paul giamatti. >> yes. >> william hurt. >> oh, my god. >> three for three there. >> very good. >> our thanks to ben bernanke, hank paulson, tim geithner. what does it for us this morning. ayman mohyeldin picks up the coverage right now.
hi there, everyone, i'm ayman mohyeldin in for stephanie ruhle this morning. lawmakers set to grill ceos this morning. the company faces scrutiny on its handling of user data and allowing conspiracy theories to flourish online. while republicans want to know if conservatives content is being censored. help wanted. president trump reportedly frustrated over his search for a new chief of staff after his first choice said no thanks. with no plan b in place, the white house is left scrambling as many top political activists show no interest. >> hopefully he'll choose somebody he has great chemistry with. will help him navigate the next couple of years. >> on the clock as a potential government shutdown looms, pelosi and schumer head to the white house today to try to work out a deal but the democratic leaders come to the table emboldened after a victory in
november with an offer smaller than one voted on this year. and the grand reveal. with so many to choose from, we will revile politifacts lie of the year. first, the c eo of google it will be his first time testifying before congress, at a time when they're raising new questions about how big tech goes about doing its business. i got a great team to help break it all down for us. first, i want to explain why today's hearing is actually so important. as you know, google is the largest search engine in the world. handling two out of every three online searches in the united states. that's about 71,000 searches every second.