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thanks for watching. ali velshi takes over in new york. >> have a great afternoon. good afternoon, everyone. i'm ali velshi. stephanie is off. it's monday, december 17th. >> a new report by nbc news and msnbc shows the campaign run in the election. >> the thing jumping out to people is there's an amazing, sophisticated effort to target the african-american community. >> president trump is starting the week again on defense over the russia investigation. he tweeteded about it nearly a
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dozen times over the weekend calling the russia probe a witch hunt, hoax, democrat scam. >> is the special counsel, want to interview the president? >> good luck. >> you're saying no way? >> they're a joke. over my dead body. >> if the republicans and the democrats get together, we are going to end up with incredible health care which is the way it should have been from day one. >> it's an awful, awful ruling. we're going to fight this tooth and nail. >> the implications if this ruling isn't overturned hurts everybody. >> mulvaney to serve as the president's right-hand man has had harsh words for his boss in the past. >> do i like donald trump? no. was he a role model for my sons? absolutely not. i think he's a terrible human being. >> a lot to get to today. there's new evidence that russia's attempt to manipulate americans in the 2016 election far more extensive than we
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thought. nbc news is releasing two reports providing the sweeping analysis yet of russia's disinformation campaign around the 2016 election. a campaign that was designed to help donald trump win and to hurt hillary clinton. the facts are irrefutable. researchers combed through millions of posts from facebook, instagram, twitter and youtube that were created by the internet research agency, the st. petersburg firm, troll farm, if you will, run by an ally of vladimir putin who have been indicted on charges of defrauding the united states of its democracy, of its election. the report found the operation used every major social media platform to enflame right-wing conspiracy theories and suppress the vote of left-leaning groups including of african-americans. twitter responded to the report saying, quote, our singular focus to improve the health of
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the public conversation on our platform and protecting the integrity of elections is an aspect of that mission. we have made significant strides since 2016 to counter manipulation of our service, including our release of additional data in october related to previously disclosed activities to enable further independent academic research and investigation. facebook has yet to respond and google has declined to comment. joining me now, the man reporting this story out for us, intelligence and national security reporter den delanian and analyst malcolm nance. malcolm is author of "the plot to destroy democracy." ken, you have been reporting on this new knowledge report. there are so many interesting key findings. what stands out to you? >> well, as you mentioned, we knew that the internet research agency had been doing this and laid out in a robert mueller indictment and the reports lay out the scope and the scale to an extent that we haven't seen before and what number stood out to me.
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more than 256 million engagements with this propaganda on facebook and instagram. that's not the number of people because a person can have more than one like or share but facebook had initially said that 120 million people saw this propaganda. the researchers think it's more than that. the targeting of african-americans, we knew that that had been going on and this shows the extent of it and not just on facebook and twitter and instagram but on youtube. for example, the researchers found ten youtube chams that posted 571 videos related to police violence, brutality, targeting the black lives movement. why? in part to suppress the black vote and we know that hillary clinton recorded one of the lowest performances among african-americans in modern history for a democrat and these researches can't say for sure it contributed but there's a three-prong effort to, for example, provide misinformation
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of the polling places or timing of votes to undermine hillary clinton. there was also an undermining of the news media. just a massive undertaking under the noses, ali, of the social media companies and seem powerless to stop it and the u.s. intelligence community which late in the game figured out what was happening. >> malcolm, you have written a book about this. one of the earliest people to study this. some of it is hard to prove a negative. you can't prove who didn't vote as a result but one of the things of the report the efforts were more integrated than we originally understood and there's no ambiguity of the troll farms supporting. >> yeah. you're absolutely right. when i wrote my first book on this just about six weeks before the election i estimated that the internet research agency which we called an information warfare management cell whoould have between 300 and 1,000
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people. now that looks minuscule compared to the integrated way that they used and weaponized every social media platform that america had, all of the big ones, and then took freedom of speech itself, the thing that we cherish the most, and used it to shove their narrative of what they wanted the american public to see. they ran racial groups against each other. they pit political groups against each other and they pushed one candidate while tearing down the other. all i can say is this. as an intelligence professional, none of this happens in a year or two years. this effort began at least three to five years before and they had to have known who they were going to be dealing with and that's how we saw as early as 2012 the russians had contact with donald trump related to his election and that -- six years seems better timeline to come up with -- >> set up something that -- in
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these reports. >> ken, i want do go back to this targeted of african-americans. there's some -- i want to read from your reporting. the russians set up 30 facebook pages targeting the black community the researches found and 10 youtube channels with 571 videos related to police violence against african-americans. what was the intent? >> it appears, ali, voter suppression, fomenting distrust in the system, whether clinton or trump is elected the police will still kill african-americans and clinton doesn't care much about that. very sophisticated effort. it appears to have played some role if suppressiof suppressing. they knew which swing states to target including states that clinton didn't know she was vulnerable in like wisconsin,
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ali. >> remarkable. ken, thank you for your reporting. ma'am come, of course, for being on top of this since before the election. joining me now, nbc news legal analyst mimi roacha and larry. mimi, you said earlier today, the degree to which the trump campaign and the russians or trump and the surrogates and the russians using similar tactics targeting similar groups with the same ends. you said it's what prosecutors call circumstantial evidence with the same goals and similar methods. >> right. exactly, ali. look. there are differences but you cannot ignore the fact that we now know definitively despite trump's xlams claims to the co russia was trying to get trump elected. trump was trying to get elected. the goals are the same. not everything that the campaign
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did was underhanded. but there is a similarity in the approach to attacking the media, the truth is not the truth. undermining our institutions. dividing different kinds of -- different groups within our society and pitting them against each other. those are very similar. not just one. it's many. the reporting now goes into great detail about that. and i think that when you look at similar goals, similar methods, you know, you do have to think, well, was this a coordinated effort? we're beyond thinking it. it's being investigated but i feel like every time it comes up that sort of strikes us in the face, it should be obvious. we need to point it out and call it out. >> we are not seeing new reports. this is a comprehensive one, done with the senate researchers in one case. two different reports. with outside bodies. harry, it is the new knowledge report and it said that the
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russian social media effort was intended to reinforce tribalism, polarize and divide and normalize points of view advantageous to the russian government from social issues to political candidates and it was designed to exploit societal fractures, blur the lines of reality and fiction, erode our trust in media, in government, in each other and in democracy itself. you have characterized this as the most serious attack on the u.s. since 9/11. >> look. i think that's right. it's like a -- it's akin to a state-sponsored terrorism going to the core democratic institutions. it is a 21st century style terrorism. imagine russia figured out how to lean in to voting machines and change the votes. it wouldn't have been all that different. as ken points out, it's a little bit imponderable how successful it was. it was somewhat successful certainly and just the p
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perniciousness of going at the desire to vote and affecting the franchise and try to exploit the sorts of worst impulses that even, even trump or others in campaign can't exploit as i think mind bending. >> mimi, one of the findings that the -- is that the russians sought to convey that the mueller investigation is a hoax. this goes well beyond the election, continued after the election, that the mueller investigation was a hoax and corrupt and that the emerging russia stories were a weird conspiracy pushed by cry baby, liberal cry babies. at some point, i read that long response of twitter. we haven't got one from facebook. google said they don't have one. this is very, very serious stuff. right? that they have allowed their platformed to platforms to be manipulated. how should we be thinking about this?
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a legal problem. a regulatory problem? >> i think it's both. i mean, and more than that. right? it's also a national security problem. you know? obviously these companies need to do more, need to do better. our intelligence agencies, law enforcement, you know, they discovered it after it happened but we need to do more in prevention and people to not politicize this. that's part of the problem is donald trump by saying -- by saying this same talking point about this being a left-wing conspiracy is politicizing this and so not letting the american public accept facts as they come out. but trying to put a spin on them and that's -- he's doing it for his own personal reasons and so dangerous. >> that's part of the problem, right? trivializing of this. the trivializing of the mueller investigation, in particular. doesn't matter where you stand, the concept that we have a group of people starting with the president of the united states trivializing a serious
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investigation that it is in our interest to get to the bottom of it. >> this is what underlies, some ways more serious than even the question did the president commit crimes. this is an attack of sort of incalcuable gravity and the mocking and bobbing and weaving of donald trump and rudy giuliani on tv of the mueller probe suggests it's silly or partisan and it's anything but. this is really a kind of thing that a 9/11 commission or a kennedy commission, some bipartisan national effort, should be immediately taken up to figure out what happened and how to stop it. i imagine that's what the senate intelligence committee will be doing. >> one can hope. they did make a point of saying that the findings are not representative of the members of the senate. thank you, harry and mimi. new developments connected to donald trump's former national security adviser
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michael flynn. his business partner and a turkish man charged with covertly and unlawfully trying to influence u.s. politics to extradite a turkish cleric from the united states and charged with conspiracy to act as agents of a foreign government. we should note the other man also worked on the white house transition team. this man. bijan kian coming one day before flynn is sentenced on charges of lying about his communications with russian officials. next, president trump says mick mulvaney will be the next white house chief of staff. we'll break down who he is and why he got the job even though he once called donald trump a terrible human being. that was on video. james comey is testifying again behind closed doors and keeping an eye on the markets for you once again. another down day as you know. all major markets are now in the red for the year. the dow down 250 points.
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and two-hour appointment windows. click, call or visit a store today. there will be a new acting chief of staff in the white house. mick mulvaney. currently serves as the director of office of management and budget. the white house's budget office. throughout 2018, he's also served as the acting director of
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the consumer financial protection bureau which was basically put in place to dismantle. prior to joining president trump's cabinet, he spent six years representing south carolina's 5th district in the united states house of representatives and there he aligned himself with the tea party caucus and a founding member of the freedom caucus and the voting record is a clear picture of the values. opposed obamacare. the affordable care act. voting to repeal as republicans did. he supported an amendment to prevent same-sex marriage and opposing gun control. he also supporting eliminating federal regulations which is a favorite of the trump administration from this record and his work in trump's cabinet it appears that they are aligned on many issues. but that may not be the quest n question. a lot of people in the country are aligned with donald trump. can he be a good chief of staff? joining me is chris whipple, author of "the gatekeepers."
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chris, i have been waiting to talk to you about this. to get your view on whether this is going to be the guy who's going to be useful to donald trump as a chief of staff. >> well, it's good to be back. look. you know that i was extremely critical of john kelly during his tenure as chief of staff but this is the wrong fix. you know? i heard our friend and colleague andy card this morning on the radio saying he thought mulvaney might be a good choice. i love andy card. >> right. >> he is the eternal optimist and we could talk all day about the reasons this will not end well. number one, mulvaney really is a trump sycophant. that's how you go from a budget hawk to signing off on a tax cut that will balloon the deficit to $1 trillion. >> right. he as a congressman would not approve of a tax cut. >> joining the trump administration it was a completely different story. that's the last thing you need as white house chief of staff, malleable, not tell donald trump
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hard truths. now, you know, people talk about his having said that trump was a terrible person. equally famously, he once said that he never met a lobbyist who hadn't previously paid him. >> specifically said in april of 2018. he made a speech f. you're a lobbyist that never gave us money, i didn't talk to you. if you gave us money, i might talk to you. that's -- i understand that might happen. it's definitely not a princeipl espoused by the chief of staff. >> he doesn't have the judgment. he may come from capitol hill and not liked on capitol hill. and, you know, you have also got the problem of he wants to be omb director and chief of staff at the same time. anybody who was omb director and then became chief of staff, you know, like jack lew would be the first to tell him, josh bolton, and others, you can't do that. you can't do both jobs at once
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and being acting chief of staff is also a recipe for failure because you're walking around with an expiration date on your forehead and people will not take you seriously. you know, there are many other things we could talk about but another huge problem is that this president is headed into a world of trouble, a series of investigations that will make al hague's final days look like a walk in the park. >> you want a chief of staff without an expiration date with authority and mick mulvaney doesn't meet the standards on those fronts? >> there was no plan "b." plan "a" was nick ayers. they threw into the chair somebody who gets along with donald trump. his principle qualification is that he played golf with trump and that trump can stand to have him in the same room. so -- >> interesting. nick ayers didn't want the job on a permanent basis or decided he didn't want to. trump didn't agree to that
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because he wanted to name a chief of staff to stick around. what does this say? we are at a point of trump having to appoint a deputy chief of -- an acting chief of staff and, again, not somebody that answers the qualification that's actually required? >> i think it tells you they were more decembsperate to get something in the chair than the right person. it looked desperate, pathetic, nobody's interested in being chief of staff for the long term. why trump finds it accept to believe have a chief who's acting when he didn't when ayers made that a pre-condition is anybody's guess and a formula for failure. >> chris, good to see you. thank you as always. >> thank you. >> chris whipple is an author of "gatekeepers." all right, next, a federal judge ruled that obamacare is unconstitutional. first, a u.s. bankruptcy court
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all right. welcome back. there's a lot happening in other news. north korea state media criticized stalled negotiations on sunday saying new u.s. sanctions could block the path to denuclearization forever. the commentary did not take aim at president trump directly. malaysia filed charges against goldman sachs related to a corruption scandal of billions of dollars in missing money. the u.s. justice department investigating the case and claims the stolen money landered into new york condominiums, yachts and financing for the movie "the wolf of wall street." big story, the future of obamacare, officially known as the affordable care act, in question after a federal judge in texas ruled that the law is constitutional. the judge agreed with arguments of 20 states' attorneys general.
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the trump administration celebrated the ruling but has said the law will remain in place. obamacare will remain in place during the appeal. if the ruling was upheld obamacare's popular consumer protections would disappear and that could have enormous consequences for tens of millions millions of americans. the urban institute estimated 17 million americans would lose their health insurance. protections for people with pre-existing conditions would also disappear. this means insurers could deny coverage for those patients or charge more potentially causing insurance premiums to skyrocket. if the current law went away insurers would no longer have to cover these so-called essential health benefits. look at this long list. emergency services. hospitalization. maternity and newborn care. in other words, you can buy coverage that won't have these
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protections so people who need these protections pay a lot more. other protections to disappear including caps, bans on annual or lifetime limits. important if you have a chronic or term call illness. they can charge more based on age, gender or profession and young people would not stay on insurance policies until they're 26 years old. there's a lot that could go wrong here. joining me is a doctor, who's a practicing physician at johns hopkins university. good to talk to you. thank you for being with us. >> great to see you. >> this ruling one day before the end of the obamacare open enrollment period for 2019. millions of people signed up or renewed coverage for next year. for people who get their insurance in some fashion through the affordable care act, what does this mean? >> as of today, nothing has changed because the ruling did
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not have an injunction with it and quite honestly as you mentioned it is going through a process and i hope it doesn't get past the appeals court much less to the supreme court where a lot of people on both sides of the aisle on legal, conservative and liberal scholars have said this was a really weak ruling but what's really chaotic, ali, is that if you listen to just the headlines you're enrolling in the affordable care act's insurance and thinking you lose coverage come january 1st. that's not the case as of today. i think the other story that people aren't talking about is the trump administration said enrollment is still open, we are enforcing the affordable care act and we wonder if that changes at some point. all of these things are in play leaving, you know, every day americans with a lot of questions about what's really going to happen in the next year or two. >> so the chaos is important because it's kind of what the administration wants and what a lot of republicans want. the biggest dream is fewer
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people wanted to sign up for obamacare or just walked away from the whole thing to prove it's not as popular but in the last election health care itself was the most important issue to most americans. so what's the worst-case scenario now? what can happen next? if a higher court upholds this ruling. >> oh, it's even -- you put out probably the most salient fact that, you know, tens of millions of people would lose health insurance but let's just talk directly to people on medicare who might comfortably think nothing changes for them. the affordable care act really redesigned in a positive way the medicare program and how we pay for care for elderly and people over the age of 65. so, this would really rip out to just put it simply, it would rip out the infrastructure, the essential highway of delivering health care and that i think is going to be the chaos and if
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you're a republican and you tried to campaign on the fact that you want to protect people with preexisting conditions, this really putts you, you know, in a corner because if this ruling were to be upheld that takes the protections away. >> the judge, just useful the look at the specificity of this. the judge agreed with the agreement that the law doesn't work taking out the individual mandate. you were instrumental in building this. what do you think of that reasoning? >> so what's interesting is that the entire law is not just dependent on the man date. the mandate is important but there was an incredible amount of the law that was built around exactly how we pay for these services, as well. so if you have to think about it, ali, it is really there needs to be some willingness to purchase the insurance. that's part of the mandate and has to be insurance that's affordable. that's the affordable part of the affordable care act and then we have to make sure that the
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care you get is good quality. that it's not bad care, low-quality care and that's the third part of the stool around the quality. people forget about that. i will say i am disappointed that the mandate has a zero penalty attached to it and certainly we're going to see a lot of this debated now that we have the democrats in the house. >> thank you for joining me. a fashion at johns hopkins medicine and was one of the architects of obamacare. all right. next, the united nations climate change talks ended with a major global deal. i'll break down what's included and what's left out and speak with an author of a recent united nations report on climate change. what she says is the most important thing you can do to fight it. you're watching msnbc. (door bel) it's open! hey. this is amazing. with moderate to severe ulcerative colitis, are you okay? even when i was there, i never knew when my symptoms would keep us apart. so i talked to my doctor about humira.
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disclose. like sources of harmful emissions and how they're analyzed. what's not included in this? developing countries that hope to get a robust promise from rich nations about the kind of aid they'll get in combatting climate change walked away disappointed. the conference tabled a discussion of carbon trading rules for credits to developing nations that cut emissions. and while a number of delegates want wanted to endorse a climate change report issued by united nations in october participants opted to express, quote, appreciation and gratitude for the findings. the earth is warming and we're expressing appreciation and gratitude for the findings. despite president trump's vow to abandon the paris agreement, the united states was at the conference and did agree to follow this new paris rule book. joining me is katherine hayhoe from texas tech and co-authored
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a november report on climate change. thank you for being with us. >> my pleasure. >> is this rule book in your world, does that feel like a success? >> it is very much needed because the paris agreement is like a potluck and every country's bringing a different dish to the table and if one is bringing a pie and another different type of apple pie, you want this tome have the right number of apples in them sort to speak. >> that's a good way to think of it. i took away that i thought was most important is this uniformity or standards. what do you think is most important thing to come out of these negotiations? also, what do you think is most important thing left out? >> that's a great question. we know that the poorest countries in the world are disproportionately suffering the greatest impacts so i think it's important to remember that there is a lot of suffering already going on today that will get worse and worse the more the planet warms but it's encouraging to see that
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countries moving ahead because although the paris agreement was ambitious, it didn't have concrete detail and now the countries are adding detail you need to know the ingredients of every dish that's on that potluck table and you need to know that we have enough food sort to speak, reductions, to actually hit the target. >> that's an advantage. there's a new poll, this confuses me. a new nbc news/"wall street journal" report on climate change. this is partisan saying 71% of democrats believe it's serious and requires immediate action. 15% of republicans agree with that sentiment. what kind of a challenge does this pose for you as a researcher? it seems to be appealing to people of a political stripe opposed to everybody. >> i agree. a thermometer is not republican or democrat. it doesn't give us a different number but when we act as if it does we are making decisions
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that are not informed by the facts and when we're making decisions that affect hundreds of millions of people then we can potentially be harmed by that. the reality is that climate is changing. humans are responsible. we have checked. over 150 years. we really are sure of that. and the impacts are serious and increasingly becoming dangerous and we have to act and that's where the politics comes in. we need robust bipartisan discussions and debates over what the most important solutions are. >> all right. we'll continue this conversation another time about how we achieve that political action. great do see you. co-author of the climate change report as a director of the climate science center at texas tech. next, new challenge to title ix protecting women athletes. now some men claim it discriminates against them. we'll dig into that. but it's time for the
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all right. this is an interesting story. the department of education is now investigating four universities across the country in response to complaints that they're discriminating against male students. those universities are yale, princeton, the university of southern california and tulane and there are also complaints about other universities. it's all raising a new question. now that the majority of college students in america are women,
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are female only scholarships and programs still necessary? nbc's katie englehart met with a student whose mission is to end these programs. >> reporter: this student filed a cam plant arguing that the university of southern california was violating title ix a law that prohibits discrimination in programs on the basis of sex. intended for equal opportunities for women, he says it is working against men at a time when women are almost 57% of college students. >> it's really incomprehensible to me that the female only scholarships going on and there's like colleges. >> reporter: now the department of education is investigating. it's looking into his allegation that by funding the women only programs, usc is discriminating against males students.
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this lawyer defends title ix. >> what we have seen is affirmative action works and that women have seen their participation and enrollment in college go up. you cannot ignore how we got here. because if you do we'll end up back there. >> reporter: meanwhile he's filing more complaints. why is it your business to file complaints against yale and princeton at all? you don't go there. >> no, i guess mainly kind of like to inspire others, i guess. >> reporter: and in a way he has. >> hey, do you have a couple minutes? >> reporter: university of michigan-flint professor mark perry filed more than 20 complaints of his own focused on science camps for girls. >> i saw that as blatant discrimination. >> how these and similar cases are decided could send a signal to schools across the country. is it the time now to be re-evaluating the programs and
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policies? >> might be a time but we're not there yet. >> in fact, we may have to disdiscuss dis considers his ti complaints, he says he's hearing from sympathize here's want to file their own. >> all right. katie joins me now. women's representation in universities overall has increased over time, not in all areas, and there seems to be a question about what happens if you took away title 9. what does that allow for? that's the law. >> sure. the department of education regulations specifically allows for a university to take affirmative action or remedial action to correct for historic discrimination. that's an important point. critics say numbers on campus don't tell whole story.
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men may be underrepresented in nursing or education but not because of the institution al discrimination. it is that discrimination that title 9 allows universities to adjust for. it is worth mentioning that the men we talked to for this piece, they all feel like the administration, the department of education secretary will be more sympathetic to entertain a legal challenge than administrations in the past but we don't know exactly when the department of ed is expected to rule on these. >> i'll bet my viewers will have a lot to say. you can find her piece if you want to watch in it full, go to left field. all right. we're looking for break throughs in space tourism sthxt a new era or humans or just a new type of
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officially astronauts and it is a major step toward the company's major goal to send people into space to see earth through a very different lens. joins ever joining me now, the ceo of the x-prize which sponsors competitions to solve the world's challenges. she has been in space. she was the first female private space explorer. a good time on visit with you. not only x-prize but your family having sponsored spaceship one got us into this competition that we're in. what does success look like for you? commercial space as opposed to engineered by governments? >> i hope people will be buying this for birthday gifts, anniversary gifts, so a lot more people can experience it. having been in space, seeing earth from space is transformational. i think we need that type of transformational shift. >> it changes how you look at
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resource battles on earth or racism or issues between people. when you see earth as a singular entity far away. >> absolutely. what you see is the whole. you realize that we're interconnected is that interdependent. it makes you look at the world in a different way and be mo collaborative and feel more a part of a community of earthlings versus people of certain countries. >> let's talk about commercial space travel. it is advancing alongside a problem we have with inequality. how do we make sure that commercial space travel doesn't end up being just a play thing for the rich? >> well, it is like the first commercial airline travel. it is expensive and rare. i think if we nurture it, it is accessible. special lay sub orbital flight. it doesn't have special training
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and a lot of people can do it. it allows for repetition and volume which brings the cost down. over time i think this will become more and more affordable and people will be able to experience chit opens the door up for the bigger step, which is going to the space station or even to a lunar base camp. >> do you think that we'll get the same sort of benefits from space tourism and commercial space we got from the space programs gave us so many technological advances because we were finding our way into space? >> absolutely. space has been a base for research for a lot of things we use today in our own world. and as more research can be opened to everyone in the world so democratizing space so more people can have access and come up with different ideas. commercial ideas. i think we will see a new era like we did after internet. when internet opened up, people became very creative. we'll open up space so people
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can be as creative is that find all sorts of solutions for our problems on earth. >> great to see you and continue the great work you've devoted your life to with space travel. that brings my hour to an ends. i'll be right back here at 3:00 p.m. connect with the show online. right now, my friend katy tur picks up the show. >> you have another minute and i want to hear more. i love this idea that it would be affordable for the regular person i love the idea. if you're a roller coaster enthusiast, this would be the ultimate. >> that would be a great idea. if regular people can enjoy this. she's confident that it will happen. >> absolutely. i believe in it 100%. >> i always like where you have an opportunity to change your perspective. >> the reason i have an extra minute, i'm getting old and i'm
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far away from the camera so i thought i was right on time. >> ali velshi, see knew an hour. it is 2:00 p.m. in washington and 11:00 a.m. in the west. nearly every organization once led by donald trump is now under investigation. from the for profit organization to the charitable nonprofit trump go foundation. as the "washington post" puts it, the mouming inquireries building into a cascade of legal challenges that threaten to dominate trump's third year in the white house. come january, 2019, democrats are poised to take control of the house. the party has promised to pursue their own slate of investigations including crossing a line the president once told "the new york times" was uncrossable. >> the president has wanted to draw a red line and say you cannot look at my business. if the president's business is


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