tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC December 19, 2018 7:00pm-8:00pm PST
problems. we can talk about free college until the cows come home, but you're not going it get 60 votes in the senate for free college to happen. it's fine to start talking about it now, but the point is to win in 2020 we better be talking about things that everybody relates to that, that everybody is worried about and really those economic issues that are keeping people awake at night. >> now you get to do whatever you want. >> i can do whatever i want, and my mouth's has gotten me in some trouble and i figure i can take it to new heights now. >> and thanks for being a public servant for all these years and so much fun to talk to along with being so serious about your work. that does for us tonight. we'll see you again tomorrow. now it's time for the "last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening, rachel. and i met claire mccaskill i think right at the beginning of her senate campaign, probably right before she formally announced it and what she wanted
to talk to me about was how the senate worked. she didn't want to talk about campaign stuff, poll, how you're going to do it. she was looking forward to when she got the job, what is the best way to do that job. and i have to say when i do meet politicians who are on the way to running or who are running and that's what they want to talk about, that's what impresses me the most. >> a, it's rare, b, it's impressive, and c, it tells you to like keep your eyes open because they're going to get stuff done. >> and she just proved which actually is most senators -- most senators do not think of running for president. it's just that dozen on each side that we're always keeping our eyes on. but most of them happen pale go through their lives without ever thinking about it. >> yeah, this year it's three dozen. >> all right, this year. thank you, rachel. well, the thing that republicans fear the most --
they fear it the most, that is catching up with roger stone tonight. roger stone appears to be in more legal trouble tonight because of democracy. not all republicans fear democracy but enough republican party officials and enough republican party elected officials around the country feared democracy enough that they have done everything they can to suppress the vote now that the voting rights act has been disabled by the republican appointed members of the united states supreme court. republican officials know there are only 28% of voters identified as republican now. republican officials know that the republican party is on the losing end of the demographics of this country, and that is only going to get worse. republicans know that more people vote for democratic senators than republican senators. republicans know more people vote for democratic house of representatives than republicans and they know more people voted
democratic for president for the last three presidential elections. and so some republican officials do everything they possibly can to subvert democracy, everything they can to deny the american people a clear expression of their will through voting. republica republicans gerimandered the house. and none stepped out in outrage over the reports. but they showed it was so powerful that it could overcome every roadblock republicans have put in its way in the congressional races in the house of representatives. and tonight democracy is beginning to undo the cover-up
that chairman devin nunes and other republicans on the house intelligence committee have been running for donald trump. it is a matter of public record that devin nunes who is supposed to bein charge of a committee investigating the president's presidential campaign and entanglements with russia was in fact telling everything he knew about that investigation, trying to make sure that investigation would do no harm to anyone in trump world. but democracy spoke on november 6th. and so now devin nunes has only days left in the chairmanship of that committee. democrat adam schiff will become the chairman of that committee in january and that means the devon nunes' cover-up is over, it's all over. and that's why "the washington post" is reporting tonight, quote, special counsel robert s. mueller iii asked the house intelligence committee on friday for an official transcript of
trump advisor roger stone's testimony according to people assigned to the probe. it is the first time mueller has formally asked the committee to turn over material the panel has gather ind its investigation of russian interference in the 2016 campaign, according to the people. securing an official transcript from the committee would be a necessary step before pursuing an indictment that stone allegedly lied to lawmakers, legal experts said. robert mueller will have that transcript by the end of the first week of january at the latest, maybe sooner. the intelligence committee's new chairman will make sure that that happens. >> i believe that there is ample reason to be concerned about his truthfulfulness, and i do think that with respect to mr. stone and perhaps others the special counsel is in better position to determine the truth or falsity of the testimony and that we ought to provide it to special
counsel. >> "the new york times" reports that on orders from current chairman devin nunes, quote, almost all the transcripts have remains in the sole possession of the committee which has in other things kept them out of the hands of mueller's investigators. schiff plans to publicly release the remaining transcripts when the new congress convenes in january. democratic congressman eric swalwell, a member of the intelligence committee told "the new york times," i just wonder how many crimes are just sitting in the basement of the house intelligence committee that mueller doesn't know about because he hasn't seen that they lied to us? tonight there are 17 investigations of donald trump the businessman, donald trump the presidential candidate and donald trump the president. how many more will there be when the democrats take charge of the house committees that are empowered to investigate the president? the intelligence committee, the judiciary committee where impeachment proceedings begin,
the ways and means committee or the coming chairman massachusetts governor neil has the authority to obtain the tax returns of donald trump? by valentine's day president trump will be probably be looking back at this christmas when he was only the subject of 17 investigations and missing those good old days. leading off our discussion now john heilemann, co-host and executive producer of show times the circus. ron klain is with us, and kimberley atkins, washington bureau chief for the boston herald and msnbc contributor. and kimberley, is the white house aware, are they gearing up for what is to come when all of these new investigations start in the house of representatives? are they hiring more lawyers? are they assigning a lawyer to each committee that's going to
be investigating this white house? >> well, i think in a typical white house you would see that being the exact response that you would see to this sort of ramp up of investigations over and above the mueller investigation that's already going on. but in this white house the legal counsel's office is actually understaffed. and so there is a real question as to whether this white house is ready to deal with as a legal matter the onslaught of investigations that could very well follow in january once democrats take over the house of representatives and all of the levers of power that come with that. i mean, there's been a lot of talk about the subpoena power and the ability subpoena that house lawmakers will have and whether or not they will try to reign that in and use that in a very strategic way with respect to this white house. but that's just one aspect of the power of the these
committees. there is document requests as you've already seen representative elijah cummings of the oversight committee notifying the white house that they are going to have a number of document requests directed at this white house for a number of areas, areas that democrats have been wanting to pursue for the last two years but have been stopped by the republican leadership. there's a lot more to the oversight. there's holding hearings, calling people to testify. there's a lot more to this than subpoena power and that is going to take up a great deal of time and a lot of resources and this white house should be prepared for it. >> courtrooms as many people know require certified copies of every document that comes through a courtroom. and so "the washington post" is reporting tonight, in general if prosecutors want to bring a charge of lying to investigators, they must obtain a certified clean copy from the transcriber or clerk who took the statement to present as an
exhibit to a grand jury, legal experts said. charges of lying to congress are relatively rare but last month cohen pleaded guilty to such as a charge as part of the special counsel probe. and devin nunes was probably never going to give mueller a certified copy of that transcript. >> devin nunes would have done whatever was in his power to try to obstruct all the inquiries into donald trump and his associates and their connections to russia. so this is one of the most vivid examples of all the examples in places of where the chain of control from one chairman to another is going to befelt by donald trump in a painful way. this is more dramatic a change from nunes to adam schiff. this is an ominous moment. we've been waiting for the possible indictment of roger stone for some weeks now expecting it to come. it does seem now as though we're right on the doorstep of it, and
at the moment when adam schiff arrives in that chairmanship, he will be trying in every way to can to help with the law. >> let's listen to how adam schiff described to stephen colbert how things have changed on the intelligence committee. >> one of the most basic rule of doing an investigation is you follow the money. we were not allowed to follow the money. now, we have seen the perils of not doing that in the revelations about the trump business, efforts to build this trump tower in moskow. but the question remains what about these allegations the russians were laundering money through the trump organization and the leverage they might have over the president of the united states that might explain his often inexplicable fondness for russia and putin. >> it is, lawrence, and not just
the house intelligence committee. the house oversight committee, the house judiciary committee. you're going to see a number of these democratic chairman pursue these issues. and let's be cheer, this is not a witch hunt. this is the pursuit of the most corrupt government. you've got a bunch of trump cronies down at mar-a-lago who essentially run the veterans administration. you've got people at almost every agency giving contracts to their friends and all kinds of corruption like that. i think you're going to see a real hard look at everything. we've focused mostly for the past few years on the russia scandal, understandably. it is the most important one. it goes to the core of our democracy. but in the meantime a bunch of cronies of the agency have been robbing people blind and we're going to get to the bottom of that, too. >> something that was cleary witness tampering, and the tweet itself would be an article of
impeachment in any sane version of our washington life. he said, this is december 3rd donald trump tweeted i will never testify against trump. this statement was recently made by roger stone essentially stating he will not be forced by a rogue and out of control prosecutor to make up lies and stories about president trump. nice to know that some people still have guts. and kimberley, it will be interesting to see what happens if roger stone does indeed end up testifying, what the trump tweets will say then. >> it will. president trump has been trying to use his twitter feed to act as his own attorney and try to message to the people who were under investigation or clearly in the cross hairs of robert mueller's team, to try to influence their testimony. you know, whether or not his tweets lead to obstruction of justice or witness tampering as some people have suggested, we just don't know because we've
never seen a president do this before. quite frankly there's no precedent for it, but it's not good and it's not generally what happens. when it comes to roger stone, it's been pretty clear. although robert mueller has been quiet and not really leaked where he is going and we've been surprised from one turn to another about where this investigation is going. it's been crystal clear that roger stone is a critical component of this particularly when it comes to what relationship the trump campaign had with wikileaks before the election, the fact they're seeking these transcripts now, it seems that part is moving forward and the fact he hasn't been questioned yet makes it pretty clear he's a likely target of this investigation. so president trump has to be worried about that. >> john heilemann, you know roger stone, you've dealt with roger stone. how much prison time is roger stone capable of dealing with trump? >> that's a great question.
in the end willing to take the sentence and not fold under pressure. roger stone fancies himself both as sort of a dandy, a fashionista. he love his clothing and his fineries. he also fashions himself as a tough guy. he's been the one who has been most defiant in the face of all of the scandal, all the controversy, all the accusations that have swirled around him. so i think he will be defiant i think up until the moment he stops being defiant. and i think one of the questions really will be how much prison time is he looking at? it's hard to judge exactly what that is right now, how many counts the indictment is going to consistent of, but i do think he's a guy who will try to hold out is as long as possible, try to keep up the notion in his mind that trump will pardon him eventually but i do think there will be a limit to that and when that limit is reached you will see him like many others have
and many others will, fold like a cheap chair at a two bit poker game. >> g gordon libby was the hold out in the watergate investigation, didn't cooperate, did years in prison and was rewarded in the right wing republican world, became a right wing media figure as a result. and ron klain, with someone like lodge r rog roger stone, if it's not a serious prison time, that could be a career boost for roger stone. so if the prosecutors if they're thinking ability this have to be careful with what kind of prison sentence he may be facing. >> i think you're right, lawrence. look, we don't really know who was the link between trump and wikileaks, which was essentially an agent of the russian government in 2016. but it seems like it was roger stone. and the idea these were
coordinated is a really critical part of the story we keep walking past. wikileaks put out their first set of materials on the eve of the democratic convention, forcing out the chairman of the democratic party. and just a few hours after the "access hollywood" tape came out, they started to put out the rest of the stuff. there was close coordination between someone looking over donald trump's shoulder and the folks at wikileaks. and that coordinator could well have been roger stone. and if so, i don't think this is going to be a george papadopoulos two week slap on the wrist. i think it's going to put him at the center of the conspiracy between the trump campaign and the russian government. >> ron klain, kimberley atkins, john heilemann, thank you all for starting us off tonight. and when we come back two big mysteries today. one involves the michael cohen case and a secret document that was placed in a vault in district court in manhattan. we'll have more on that next.
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the first is what is in the vault? a sealed filing was made today in the case brought against michael cohen by federal prosecutors in new york city. we don't know who made it or what it was about. the only thing we know comes from the court document which says the filing was locked in a vault at district court in manhattan. the second mystery is who is fighting a subpoena apparently from robert mueller in federal court? reporters have been trying to figure out when answer to that for months but the case has been kept so secret that when arguments were heard last week officials at the courthouse in washington took extraordinary measure of shutting down to the public the entire floor where the hearing was taking place. but last night we got a partial answer. a three judge panel of the appeals court issued a ruling in favor of the prosecutors, in favor of robert mueller that revealed that the mystery subpoena target is not a person, it is a corporation, which they did not name owned by a foreign
country, which they also did not name. the ruling said the subpoena involved, quote, an act outside the territory of the united states and that the act caused a direct effect in the united states. joining us now daniel goldman, an msnbc legal analyst and also joining us daniel shugarman. how many times as a federal prosecutor did you put things in the vault, what is the vault for? >> i wish i had a really sexy answer for you, but it is far more common that you might think. any sealed document filed with the court should go in a vault. so it's not as if there are sealed documents that the court holds onto and then sealed documents that go to a vault. i don't know that every single time a document is filed under
seal that it actually does go into a vault, but in michael cohen's case they're certainly going to do everything by the book. there's two things that jump out otme this might be. i think the most likely thing is that it is the presentence investigation report, which is something that remains under seal, prepared by the probation office that outlines all of his conduct, all of his personal his history, the criminal history, et cetera. that remains under seal, and it could just be it's being officially filed in the docket as it's required to be. the other option that i can think of is there is an outstanding pending motion by news organizations to unseal the search warrant materials that led to the searches on april 9th of this year of michael cohen's office and home. that is pending, and obviously those search warrant materials
are sealed. it's possible it somehow relates to that. i doubt it would be the judge's order because he has to notify the parties as to what he's deciding, but it could be something in connection to that, which continues to remain sealed. >> all right, what about the elephant in the room by which i mean the elephant indictment of all-time, an indictment of individual one, the coconspirator identified in the michael cohen case? before you answer that let's listen to kenneth star, the special prosecutor in the bill clinton case who helped establish what he believes is the legal principle that the president of the united states can be indicted. let's listen to what he said to ari melber tonight. >> so you think that if there is the right evidence, bob mueller or another prosecutor could indict a sitting president, donald trump? >> yes. president clinton said in the civil setting, not criminal, i should be immune from a civil lawsuit during the course of my
tenure as president and the supreme court unanimously said, no, mr. president, the public interest in the enforcement of the criminal laws i believe is even higher. >> okay, so could the elephant in the vault be the indictment of individual one? >> i think it is highly hilee unlikely. what ken star said after he had that comment is that his belief is contrary to doj policy right now. and while many people might think that the president should be able to be indicted, just not tried because of the issues in terms of taking up too much time, i don't think that ken star's opinion does not control. it's a good opinion. doj policy does control -- >> but if what rosenstein authorized or even whitaker authorized is you can indict him now and you'll hold it until after his presidency is the
vault where they would put that indictment? >> yeah. >> i knew we would get the indictment into the vault somehow. what is going on with the proceedings in washington which we now know involves a foreign country and company owned by the government of that country? >> this i think there's a small universe of possibility. there's three russian possibilities, three gulf possibilities and a wild card. the three russian possibilities are two banks. there's veb bank and vt bank, both described as putin slush funds. when kushner and flynn were setting up a secret line to the kremlin, suddenly kushner met with the head of ve bank, and that may be connected to the purchase of roseneft on the market at that same exact moment in december.
and so roseneft is a third possibility. there's two russian banks and roseneft is the largest oil company in the world or second largest that's russian owned. and then there are possibilities from gulf states. could be qatar's sovereign fund, qia, the emirates sovereign fund, maybe it's saudis. and they could be connected with that roseneft sale that is described as the linchpin in the steele dossier as the potential way to generate money. the wild card is the trump organization is a wholly alone subsidiary of russia. >> from your analysis what is the most likely fitting that we would think this to be based on what we know? >> you probably think they would start with the russian assets, the russian entities.
there's a reason to suggest it might be any of these, but in all likelihood it's probably going to start earlier in the chain that involves that nexus of cohen, flynn and trump. >> and this could be subpoenaing bank records from these entities, records basically? >> subpoenaing records, it's more likely to be something institutional like records than a human live witness because of the way the subpoena and the litigation is going. and so some people suggest that it's less sophisticated set of lawyers because of the nature of some of these arguments, but that could be any of these. >> but keep in mind it has to be a company that has some sort of nexus to the united states. grand jury subpoenas cannot reach out to purely international companies. >> yeah. our mystery solvers, thank you for joining us tonight. these mystery continue.
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breaking news. the senate has just passed a short-term funding bill to keep the government open through february. the house could vote on the bill as soon as tomorrow. today republican congressman jim jordan complained that donald trump, the republican leadership in congress have once again surrendered on the trump border
wall. congressional leadership introduces a continuing resolution until february 8th without $5 billion for the wall. let me get this straight, our chances of getting the wall will be better in february when nancy pelosi is speaker than now when we have the majority? give me a break. jim jordan will not come on this program because he's afraid i will ask him about accusations made by the ohio state wrestling team who say when he was a coach of that team he did nothing to protect them from sexual assault. so i have to communicate with jim jordan on twitter so i replied to his tweet this way, you are correct, sir, nancy pelosi beat you and trump, and no you will not get a break. it gets worse from here, much worse. there is exactly zero surprise in washington that nancy pelosi is a tougher negotiator than donald trump. it is only republicans who are afraid to stand up to donald
trump, and so republicans in washington have fallen in line behind the leadership of the weakest president washington has ever seen. donald trump threatened to shutdown the government in order to get taxpayer funding for the wall that he said mexico was going to pay for, and not one person in washington believed a shutdown was going to happen. no one believed the threat. everyone paid more attention to mitch mcconnell, immediately saying that a shutdown would not happen. and today mitch mcconnell surrendered completely to nancy pelosi and chuck schumer and all of the democrats in washington and offered a spending bill that would keep the government open without providing one penny for donald trump's wall. and the democrats don't even have the majority in the house of representatives yet. they're still the minority in the senate and house, and they're still beating donald trump. even fox and friends is calling
donald trump a loser on this one. >> if he agrees to the cr, which we continue funding the government at the current levels we won't get anything for the wall, he loses and democrats will get what they want. >> so some are wondering is this a win for nancy pelosi and chuck schumer? >> there's a lot of people who said this is where we draw the line on shutting down and if we don't shutdown, he's going to look like a loser. >> the loser versus nancy pelosi is going to be what the next two years in washington is all about. after a break our panel will consider what the next two years of pelosi versus trump will look like.
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i have hope and that's something they can't take away from me. hell yeah. there are no votes in the house, the majority votes for a wall -- >> if i needed the votes for the wall in the house, i would have them in one session, waeld e'd done. >> donald trump couldn't do it. he couldn't get the votes for his wall even with the republican majority in the house and senate and so tonight he has officially surrendered to nancy pelosi. the first of many surrenders to nancy pelosi to come in the next two years. kimberley atkins, ron klain, and john heilemann are back with us. and john heilemann, there wasn't a person in washington who donald trump threatened to shutdown who actually thought there was going to be a
shutdown. he is the cowardly lion of the white house. >> lawrence, i was on tv with you that night, and i will say this. the moment that donald trump said that he would shut the government down and that he would own the shutdown proudly, that was the moment he guaranteed that the shutdown would not happen. because although donald trump is stupid enough and a bad enough negotiator he's not stupid enough to actually go through with it. and if you want to know what the next two years are going to look like, they're going to look like that over and over again. >> and kimberly, mitch mcconnell said there won't be a shutdown, and it's very clear which one to pick. >> absolutely. mitch mcconnell knows there's no appetite among the american public ever for government shutdown, certainly not days before christmas and right before the house switches parties, switches control. so that was a losing battle from
the start. but it just showed a preview of what trump versus pelosi is going to be like. donald trump has had republicans who were willing to bend to his will for two years, next year is going to look dramatically different. >> and ron klain, the democrats have accomplished something that i think is very important having worked in a legislative body, in the senate for a while. and that is they demonstrated their ability to stop something. they didn't achieve anything new. they didn't achieve anything positive. they simply stopped donald trump from getting what he wanted on the wall. and that is the most powerful power that nancy pelosi is going to have in the next two years. >> no question about it, lawrence. we've seen in the past two years trump moving very few things affirmatively forward, but being able to do a lot of horrible thing tuesday the administrative process, the rule making and through the power of the presidency, and the ability for
democrats to stop that is key. and look, nancy pelosi is a very, very skilled player. but let's give credit to where credit is do, she is playing poker against the guy who turns all his cards up and tries to bluff. and once he nounces in the oval office, i'm going to own the shutdown, that really was the worst bluff in the history of poker playing. that's the problem president trump has. he's a bad negotiator, he doesn't understand policy, and he is going to find it really hard to go toe to toe with pelosi and schumer the next few years. >> threatening a shutdown for the wall. shutdown is his only threat. it's his only bargaining chip he knows, and he's afraid to use it. and if he does use it, it will destroy him. >> well, yes, he's right to be afraid to use it because it would have been cataclysmically bad for him in this instance,
and in the previous instance it would be bad for him. he's not a bad negotiator, he's the worst negotiator. he's the worst negotiator in the history of person politics, and the fact he's the worst has everything to do with the fact he is the president who understands the government and politics least. you can't be a good negotiator if you don't understand the thing you're negotiating over and you have no idea what the actual rules of the game are because you don't even know what the game is. so game, set, match. pelosi and schumer will be able to run rings around him for the next two years because they actually understand what happens on capitol hill, in washington, in politics, policy and he does not. >> and donald trump told his voters he would be able to get everything done because he's such a great negotiator. and so that argument is collapsing here. i have a feeling that the white house staff is going to at least be advising the president to have as few nancy and chuck meetings as possible on the schedule next year because he's not going to win those.
>> well, that's assuming that members of the white house staff are able to advise him on anything and he'll actually listen to it. i think president trump still believes that he can negotiate, if you call that, by essentially bullying people and forcing them to accede to his will. that's how he dealt with republican leadership in congress for two years. nancy pelosi is not going to back down or accede to his will. he's going to have to figure that out. what that is we don't know yet. >> you know meetings like that that what you saw with the speaker, incoming speaker and the democratic house and the senate are not called that often. but when they're called both sides are very serious about having those meetings. if nancy pelosi and chuck schumer request a meeting with the president, as sometimes happens, the white house will
have every reason to suspect they're coming up there to try to humiliate this president because it's so easy to do. >> well, yeah, but let's also give credit where credit's due. it's trump's choice to tellvise these meetings live on national television. i sat through meetings both as a senate staffer and white house aide. usually there's a pool spread at the top and then the serious negotiation goes on behind closed doors without the tv cameras in the room. tuchl is not only the worst negotiator but he's decided to make it nationally televised event. and that's the part of this that really defies the understanding. >> and the less opportunities there are for cameras, and i was in meetings with president clinton where no cameras were allowed anywhere near it because the legislative pressure was so tough at that time, we didn't want people to know what was going on.
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the kids who receive those desks. over a million children in malawi are sitting at desks in schools now where they never expected to have a desk. about a fourth of the money that you've contributed has gone to scholarships for over 5,000 girls to attend high school in malawi where like many african countries public high school is not free. it is especially difficult for girls to stay in school in malawi. families who can afford to pay for one child to go to high school will usually pay for one of the boys in the family, not one of the girls. the girls' graduation rate is much lower than boys, and so girls need much more support to stay in high school. leah stevens is a 16-year-old senior in high school who is in school today thanks to your generosity. last month she told me that if she didn't have a k.i.n.d. fund scarship she would just be stuck at home. and when i asked her what she would do if she was stuck at home, she told me she would
probably be forced to get married. >> and what would you do at home? >> i would -- i would just stay, getting married. in mali moawi who didn't go to school, they are forced into marriage. >> forced into marriage. there is so much at stake in being able to keep a girl in high school in malawi. you can help at lastworddesks.msnbc.com. any amount you can contribute is very helpful. rose makata is in her third year of high school. she wants to be a lawyer. here she is at home with her mother and her little sister. rose's mother had to drop out of high school when her father died. before rose got a k.i.n.d. fund scholarship she had to drop out of high school too. and she felt that her future would be doomed. >> it was painful.
i live -- i'm being -- i'm being rejected. it's like you cannot -- just because of money. you are not allowed to learn just because of money. and i say that why am i even in this world? because there's not anything to do out here. no education, that means my future will be doomed. >> when rose graduates from high school, she will be the first one in her family to do that. >> i just have to stand up and be the first one to go for my education. i don't want to be like my mom. i don't want to be out there struggling. >> when i asked rose how her mother feels about rose's education, rose had to fight
back tears. >> and how does your mother feel now about you going to school? >> she's happy for me. because she keep on telling me my daughter, work hard in classes. just go and look what you want to be. yeah. that's it. >> your mother must be very proud that you're in school. >> yes. she's very excited and very proud of me. >> because you now get to fulfill her dream. she wanted to go to school but now you can. >> yeah. i can go to school now. and she's always encouraging me that don't let go of this opportunity. it comes once in a life. yeah. that's it. >> it comes once in a life. the scholarship you that provided for rose has changed her life. with your continued support we
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in tonight's very special last word, a very special visit from santa at children's national hospital in washington, d.c. today. ♪ [ cheers and applause ] ♪ we wish you a merry christmas and a happy new year ♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> i just want to say thank you to all of you guys. i had a chance to talk to some of the wonderful kids and their families. and at a time that obviously is tough for folks, as the dad of two girls i can only imagine, in that situation, you know, to have nurses and staff and doctors and people who are
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