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for these tom brokaw pieces and to senior producer jack bore and editor anthony for mika's camp david accord lookback. that does it for us this morning. hallie jackson picks up the coverage right now. >> thank you, joe. hallie jackson in for stephanie ruhle this morning. we begin with no end in sight. after less than seven minutes in session yesterday, congress has basically done work for the year. so this shutdown will last past the new year. maybe well into january. the options ahead with the white house out on defense this morning. >> the president has been willing to negotiate on this point. the democrats have not been willing to do anything. they care more about keeping our borders open then keeping our government open. >> plus, site survey. the head of homeland security heads to texas along the mexican border today. what house democrats now say they want to do come january
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after the deaths of two children while in the custody of cpb. plus, ready to rally. the roller coaster ride on wall street rolls on after one of the worst decembers on record. stocks are looking up again this morning. we've got a full check when the markets open later this hour. coming up. our team is all over it here in washington and beyond. day seven of the partial government shutdown. the final seconds of 2018. this clock is going to keep counting up. the stalemate continues right now. no plan to get some of these agencies back up and running as hundreds of thousands of federal workers are stuck at home. white house officials this morning are becaming democrats while the president's saying he is going to take some major action on the border. if he does not get the wall money he wants. hans, let me start with you. we're now seeing after a couple of days of relative silence of white house officials a full court push from the press
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secretary. as the president says, he's going to shut the whole southern border down. >> trying to expand the playing field and increase the cost for democrats. the president clearly indicating he's willing to go to drastic measures shutting down the border. look at the tweet he put up this morning. we will be forced to close the southern border entirely if the obstructionist democrats do not give us the money to finish the wall and change the ridiculous immigration laws are countries are saddled with. there isn't a specific number in there. just that there's money for the wall. movement from the white house saying they're willing to come down from the 5 billion. they're not willing to give a precise nun on that. listen to how mick mulvaney talked about what the strategy is. >> yes, absolutely. >> the economy -- >> all options are on the table. listen, it's the only way we can
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get the democrat's attention. this all comes down to pelosi's speakership. i think left to his own devices the senate democrats would cut a deal. if she cuts a deal of any sort before her election on january 3rd, she's at risk of losing her speakership so we're in this for the long haul. >> it seems like the new deadline, we wouldn't have anything until january 3rd. and then the white house sees some potential for at least the conversation, hallie. >> hans, thank you. the halls behind you are empty. they'll stay empty for the next roughly week until january 3rd. what is the sense from democrats on what the white house' knee line is? the idea that it's nancy pelosi's fault and not chuck schumer. >> it's a transport device, divide and conquer, trying to
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put a wedge between schumer and pelosi. if pelosi were to compromise or somehow cut a deal and come to the president's position, her position may be threatened herself. nancy pelosi expected to get that nod but she's in a strong negotiating position. anybody, knowing that on that day, on january 3, she has the votes, she has the power to pass something called a clean continuing resolution that would reopen the government, that would be a spending bill. the pressure really after thursday comes down on mitch mcconnell and senate republicans to see what they are going to do. remember, they're p theregoing two more in the senate. and corker and flake, two votes not with the president on this, no longer here. so a very near thing.
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yesterday we had a bit of a dog and pony show on the house floor, the senate floor. in for a total of three minutes each. they cut off his microphone. not that unusual, the gop presiding officer. after, in the hall way, we asked him what was up. >> still a work in progress. we're going to vote to reopen the american government. that's what republicans want. the only people who don't seem to want it are in the white house. >> in theory, something could happen between now and next thursday. in reality, it's not going to happen. >> nick, hans nicole, thank you. let me bring in the former deputy chief of staff for the department of housing and urban development. molly hooper, congressional
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reporter for the hill. alex, political reporter. and the ceo of park street strategies and former chief of staff to senate joe manchin. government still shut down. it's not going to open until 2019. sirmichael, the president threatening to close the entire southern border. really? >> i don't think he has a winning strategy here. if you look at the poll that just came out, 60% of independents don't believe he'll get the $5 billion. 54% of republicans don't believe he'll get it. 52% of trump voters don't believe the president can get that $5 billion. you saw what the president tweeted this morning. that he is probably realizing he is not going to get everything he wants. i think also at the same time, democrats have to understand the president has 80% approval with
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republican voters. you look at that same poll to say keep doing what you're doing. that tells me both sides have to figure out some kind of a compromise. >> what are the chances that happens? because if you look at the options, i think it was playbook who layed it out this morning, the options that pelosi will have. that she's either going to pass a full year, ech, cr, sorry, continuing resolution. she's going to pass a six bill pack only plus that bill for dhs. or the thing the president passed or the president said he wasn't going to sign. what is the move? >> i don't think anybody knows. >> also to make the point, of those three things we pulled up, the president's not going to sign any. >> this is the part that's strange about the shutdown compared to other threatened shutdowns. you have a president who does not care about national poll numbers or the political
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consequences because amongst his base -- >> they're going to stick with him. >> no matter what. so from a political perspective, and a calculation perspective, he's got nothing to lose. on the flip side, democratsters are exact same position. you have two sides where the political consequences are not there. clearly alienated by the president, his rhetoric, his loblg ic logic of the shutdown. the problem is, the president doesn't care about the middle. >> this is reflected in conversations i've had with trump allies this week. where they go, we have the leverage. we think democrats, the pressure's building on them. democrats are, like, we have the leverage. because we think the pressure's going to build on republicans when we come back and open up the government when we take control of the house. then mitch mcconnell is going to be in a real screwed position. >> unusual coalitions we will see forming. >> you think that's a way out of this.
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>> i think it's going to be a coalition government. you have over in parliament, one party that doesn't have a full majority of votes. they have to team up with another party to become the prime minister. that i think you're going to see moderates and republicans and democrats coming to vote for something. again, the senate needs 60 votes. they need moderate democrats. already democrats had voted for democrats on the appropriations committee had voted for full year's funding at about the 1.67 level for, you know, border wall funding. having been on record for that, perhaps there could be a deal that comes together. perhaps 1.3 to 1.6. still, your going to need those democrats who were able to vote for that package, the more moderate members. >> because they have conflicting analyses of the political situation, not just the conflicting political goals, policy goals.
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they both think they have the advantage. there's nothing going on on capitol hill. you would think the government is shut down, you would think this would be a huge crisis, there would be press conferences, burning the midnight oil to come up with compromise. the halls are empty. there was a stack of newspapers outside mcconnell's door that hadn't been collected. they're still all on their breaks in christmas. to the republican control of congress here, eight years, this is the end of paul ryan's speakership, the end of the tea party congress and they're just going out with a whimper here. >> think about the issues that are going to be confronted with the lack of funding for border security. these are not insignificant. we have this issue with these kids in custody who pass aed aw. there's going to be so much involving these departments. that, really, money needs -- >> pelosi is coming in as ryan
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is going out. but she's coming in on this note of a shutdown. let's talk about, yes, we've talked about the political parties. you know who's really paying the price? it's people around the country. people in the coast guard who thought they were getting paid on monday and are not going to get paid on monday. we went around and talked to some folks around the country. here is the actual impact for some people in places other than here in washington. not a creature's been stirring since saturday in the empty hallways of washington but virginia, free knitting lessons for furloughed government workers. >> it's out of your hands. until it's back in my hands, i'll put something else in my hands and go with it from there. >> reporter: in kentucky, a plate of barbecue on the house. >> we're feeding all the government employees until they go back to work. however long it lasts. >> reporter: in california, frustration for nicole, whose husband is in the coast guard and won't be getting his regularly scheduled paycheck
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monday. >> what do we do? i think that's why most families are -- just that uncertainty of what do we do. >> it's that uncertainty that there's no good answer for. because this shutdown could end next week, it could last a month. >> anyone who tries to predict when this shutdown is going to end is foolhardy. >> i didn't do that, for the record. >> you're talking about a force in terms of president trump. he does not care about the normal political calculus. pain that's going to be felt by hundreds of thousands across the country and the millions of americans who depend on those goods and services. i'm not sure when that gets loud enough for the president to go, okay, we've got to cut a reasonable deal here because i'm not sure that word fits into his logic. >> sirmichael, very quickly to
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you, is it possible when people get out of the holiday break, business as usual, and realize it's not big as usual in washington, could that maybe change the calculus, yes or no? >> i don't think so for the president. really quickly, remember 2013, it was indicated the shutdown took $20 billion out of the economy. the economy's already looking sluggish. the federal reserve is likely going to increase interest rates next year. that's not a if thing fgood thi president who ran on the "i'm a business guy." >> coming up, borderline. the homeland security secretary travels to the southern border as her agency comes under fire after two children die in customs and border protections care in less than a month. we're talking about what's next after the break. e break. gentle means everything,
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today, homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen will head to the southern border, stopping first in el paso, yuma, arizona. her agency under scrutiny after the deaths of two migrant children in u.s. government custody this month. now top house democrats are calling for hearings and the preservation of all evidence related to their deaths. nbc's julia ainsley is following this story. we learned new developments about this little boy, 8 years old, an autopsy showing he died from a strain of flu. >> which makes sense given his symptoms. it's unclear why he was
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discharged from the hospital when he had 103 degree fever. they diagnosed him with a cold. we know the medical decisions will be part of this inspector general investigation. i asked at one point this week could it be medical malpractice. they wouldn't go there. there's certain legal meanings. now we've got a congress coming in. not just in the case of this boy and of the child who died earlier this month but also in the ways dhs is set up to deal with this vulnerable population. >> we're seeing a number of children rising, those coming with their parents and without, and these border stations weren't set up to deal with them. they were set up to deal with adult men. that's one thing the secretary will look at. >> julia, thank you. i want to get to john now who was the acting director of u.s. immigrations enforcement, i.c.e.
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julia laid out nielsen heading to the border looking at this issue of resources and how the agency deals with people who come across the border. what is her responsible today? what does she need to do? >> i think what she's going to see is exactly what julia said, facilities who were built for adult males, short-term limited detention. certainly not built for children. the fundamental problem is there's a lot of oversight. when i was at i.c.e. we built compliance protocols and standards. the bottom line is you can't detain people safely, much less vulnerable children who just finished a long dangerous journey across the border. i think no matter what she sees or other additional protocols. i know the cdc and others to assist. the bottom line is there's really no safe way to detain people. regardless of whether you want to see more enforcement or less enforcement of immigration laws, the reality is detention is not
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necessary for enforcement. what concerns me is we'll put more band aids on the situation when the fundamental process of detaining children is the problem here and there's no way to do that safely. >> what's the solution? >> we run a number of programs where you release individuals. that doesn't mean you get a free pass in the united states. >> you're barking up the wrong tree. >> that's true. the reality is we spend $350 a day to detain families. immigration detention is absolutely not necessary to ensure the compliance of individuals. it's just we rely on it as a crutch because we don't -- the way in which we manage the immigration courts creates significant backlogs. it's something easily fixed here. you release these people at home. they are in much safer conditions. no less tough at the border.
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>> sarah sanders was asked about this. here's what she said. >> look, it's absolutely terrible tragedy. something no one wants to see which is also why we're encouraging people not to make this treacherous journey. it is dangerous. this is one of the most important reasons we have to protect our board sorry we're not incentivizing people to make this dangerous journey. >> your reaction? >> i agree. it's dangerous. we don't want people to come. rightality is people are coming. the reality is people are coming. this administration separated families, has gone to this mandatory detention approach. it doesn't work in terms of deterrence. what they're fleeing in central america, the poverty and violence, they're going to come regardless. we need to accept they're going to come. i disagree that there's any way to detain 7-year-old children that's going to be safe and humane. >> i want to get to alex and
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molly but, john, this week, at least two democrats asked secretary nielsen to resign. dick durbin said as christians celebrated the birth of jesus, another migrant child was dying on her watch, she should resign immediately. would you go that far? >> no, i wouldn't say she should resign. secretary nielsen cared deeply. we did have a death under my watch. it hits you hard when that happens. the problem is they're dealt an impossible hand. how do you detain 7 year olds? a way that's going to be safe? you're going to have situations like this. it was inevitable. >> but no less difficult and devastating and tragic for that family and for people who heard about this and were very deeply disturbed by what they heard. >> what you're going to see -- >> i don't know. does it have to be inevitable, a
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child dies in the care of u.s. custody? >> look, detention facilities are very difficult places. i believe i.c.e. cares very deeply. you're packing tons of people in a high -stress environment. there's no safe way to do it especially with vulnerable populations. the alternative is release these people. put on an ankle bracelet. it's much cheaper. you still can deport them when the court proceedings are over. >> are democrats going to be making this a top priority? >> i think absolutely. the flash point from the entire trump era. from the first day he talked about mexico. democrats have been very eager to take up this issue. subpoena power and they're going to go into it. >> saying it's making sweep changes to this. deploying different teams from
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the coast guard. boosting medical staff along the border. is that enough? >> that's hard to say. when's the coast guard going to get their funding? right now, the partial government shutdown, these are agencies that are not being paid. >> the vast majority of dhs employees are essential and are on the job. >> true, but the point is, it's like the government is going to have to be funded. if it's going to be a priority. they're going to need to fund these agencies. they'll need to get more funding to these agencies. this happens. what i think you're going to industry is kirstjen nielsen spending time on capitol hill. the chairman of the homeland security committee, long ago started saying we want hearings -- >> she's going to be dragged up. >> exactly. family detection centers and family separation, all these issues. >> thank you very much for your perspective. i appreciate it.
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seems to be some optimism, after the biggest two-day market rally in the last three years. thursday, giving the snapshot of the volatility we've been seeing, a huge 600 point plunge. and then that surge in the afternoon, hoping to close out 2019 2018 on a high note. seems like maybe we're turning the corner. how do things look as the day kicks off? >> green on the screen today. appears the markets will open higher today. if this week is any indication that really means very little for how the indexes will end the day. volatility is the name of the game on wall street this week, particularly thanks to those curious wild swings. noticeably yesterday when the market roared higher in just the last 30 minutes to finish the
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day in positive territory. the biggest intraday comeback in a decade. there really was no headline that caused that, which left traders scratching their heads. >> what is the expectation for today? question mark, right? we don't really know? >> i'm sorry? >> i said the expectation for today has been bell rings to open the markets today, it's still a big question mark, right? >> we could see a bit more because we did see such a strong sell-off on monday. it was the worst christmas eve ever. the month is actually on track to be the worst performance since the great depression, since 1931. so traders will be looking to at least capture some gains as they head towards the end of the year. there's only two trading days left. if they can end those in positive territory, they can hope to chip away some of the losses earlier this month. >> let me bring in now jean
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marks, president of the marks group. he joins us now from philly i think. thanks for being on. appreciate it. >> sure. great to be here. >> you're not an investor, you're at home, you're watching this, you're freaking out about your 401k. >> you really shouldn't be. first of all -- >> did you say should or shouldn't be? >> you should not be freaking out. in fact, i don't think you should be paying attention to all these crazy swings and stock prices over the past couple of days. it is a little nuts to see. somebody on wall street is making a lot of money, i'm sure. always looking ahead. the bottom line is this, the economy, the fundamentals, are still strong. gdp is still forecasted between 2.5% and 4% next year. unemployment is low. consumer confidence, small business confidence. they're still historically high. you got to look forward to next year. there are some concerns.
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trade concerns. interest rates rising in 2019 are a concern. does that mean you jump ship and sell all of your shares? no. are most economists predicting a recession to happen in the first half of 2019? no, that's not the case either. you want to be in it for the long term. it always exceeds the return on investment. you've got to be thinking long term. these kinds of days of volatility, you just have to shrug it off and focus on watching a good christmas movie. >> that would be nice. talk long term. what you would want to see from the president, from political leaders. >> you want to see a lot less haggling and less nonsense
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coming out of the white house. and a little bit more leadership from the white house. that's what wall street wants to see as well. you know, don't discount the effect interest rates have. interest rates right now, they're the highest they've been in the past ten years. you know what that means? it mean options for you and me and other investors. a few years ago, where else would you put your money but the stock market? now savings accounts are going up. you can invest in bonds. municipal bonds as well. as investors, particularly as older investors, we now have more options to put money away and get more of a return on investments. don't be surprised to see, you know, the market itself decline a little bit in 2019. and trying to ignore all the rhetoric going on in washington between what's coming out of the white house and the federal reserve reserve. you want stability.
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you want in the long term more rational behavior. >> sears, right? american staple. closing its doors. what's up? >> i don't know. sears is still in business? i thought they closed the doors a long time ago. >> that's a burn. >> i don't know. i mean, they've fallen a little behind. not a big surprise. >> not a surprise indeed. still worth noting. thank you, appreciate it. coming up, empty house, crickets on capitol hill as congress wraps it up for 2018. louv leaving a shutdown solution for the neither year. the new year. gentle means everything,
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is helping their child live. donate now at or shop wherever you see the st. jude logo. this partial government shutdown is about to hit a milestone. one week as of midnight tonight. no movement, no urgency and no optimism really. democrats don't want to give the president more money for his wall. so this morning the white house press secretary blamed them for not being willing to compromise. >> democrats have not been willing to do anything. and that's the sad part. they cared more about keeping our borders up and keeping our government open. they do not want to protect american citizens. they do want to protect illegal immigrants. it's a sad day when we can't get democrats to show up for work and sit down with us and try to make real solutions and get something done. >> democrats of course taking
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exception to that. the new poll finds 47% of americans hold donald trump responsible for the shutdown compared to just 33% for democrats in congress. republican congressman ryan costel of pennsylvania joins us. thanks for being on. been kind of a slow week on capitol hill. let me start with the president's tweets and the comments from the white house. do you really believe that democrats want to protect illegal undocumented immigrants more than americans, as the white house is saying? >> no. no. i'm not sure many people buy into that one. i don't agree with the democratic -- i mean, in a number of different areas but i don't think that's the case. i think the problem here is that the president sort of backed himself into a corner and is trying to find a way out and is trying to find a way to point the finger at democrats. i just don't think he can do that in this case because the senate voted to pass a clean cr.
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so we're in a situation where no one really knows what to do. no one knows what the president will actually sign. >> right. >> you make the point that the president's backed himself into a corner. isn't it on the president now to back himself back out of it? >> yes. he's the president. he's got a lead here. you know, if he wants the government to open back up again. t there is a part of me that feels he wants to have this fight to draw a contrast, but i don't see a sep facenario where democrats money on the table for border security. i take exception with that policy. i do think we need more border security. but if he wanted to engage in that negotiation, he should have done it with republicans prior to the senate taking up the clean cr which the white house indicated they were going to be supportive of. >> the president this morning is up and at 'em on twitter,
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tweeting about this shutdown. he's threatening to shut down something else, the southern border. saying he will be forced to close the southern border entirely if, in his words, the quote/unquote obstructist democrats do not give us money to finish the wall. do you think on any plannetet there's a universe where the president shuts down the southern border? >> the planet's look a lot different every single time he tweets. i don't know. i can't even interpret some of his tweets anymore. the tweet the other day was somehow the shutdown money was going to be used to fund the border wall. i have no idea on any planet what that means. i'm trying to think on the other plannette e planets. >> this is going to have an impact on other countries, right, internationally and diplomatically with the president saying he's going to cut off aide to certain countries. do you think people are not taking the president seriously?
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>> i don't think many people are taking the president seriously as it relates to immigration at the southern border. i was having a little bit of fun there. on a serious note, some of the actions that he's taken in syria and what he's said he's going to do in afghanistan. there are concerns related to our credibility and our consistency with our allies around the world and where we do provide aid. so, you know, in that regard, i do get concerned with some of the tweets and what they mean or what they don't mean or not even understanding what he's trying to say when he's saying them. >> so what is going to change the game, congressman? we played earlier in the show some part of an interview with a woman whose husband is in the coast guard. they're not getting a paycheck monday, right. nobody's on the hill. at what point does something catalyze some kind of compromise? >> you'll have a new congress
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sworn in. nothing's going to happen before a new congress is sworn in. because the house is not going to take -- we passed a bill out of the house that had $5 billion more for border security. the senate's not taking that bill up. we're at a legislative stalemate. the president is not saying what he will sign specifically and as a consequence, everybody's just looking at one another. people are pointing fingers. it's very unproductive. i'll be the first person to say that. until nancy pelosi is sworn in as speaker and they lay out what they're going to vote for and then, you know, there's negotiations between house democrats and senate republicans, because you need eight democrats to vote for this, nothing's going to happen. that's a sad commentary on the state of our politics and our government. it's extremely disappointing because we do have men and women working for the federal government. working for this country. who are not getting paid. as they're expected to. as they should be paid.
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i take issue with that just as you and all americans do because -- >> quick prediction, so how long's the shutdown going to last? >> a couple weeks into january at the earliest. then the question, will it just be funded through february or next september? there's a lot to come. i don't say that with any degree of -- >> joy in your heart, i'm sure, yeah, yeah. pennsylvania congressman ryan con spetc costello. thank you. next, all designed to keep russian eyes out of reams of documents the special counsel team's uncovered. next. , i've had some pretty , i've had some pretty prestigious jobs over the years. news producer, executive transport manager, and a beverage distribution supervisor. now i'm a director at a security software firm. wow, you've been at it a long time. thing is, i like working.
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protective order that wants him from sharing millions of documents from mueller's investigation with his client back in russia. within the millions of documents, the attorney revealed mueller's team apparently collected, yes, a nude self-ie of somebody and mocked the special counsel's methods. the nude selfie was probably designed to grab headlines, right, but the real issue is not that, according to mueller's team, it's sharing the material. because they say that would reveal u.s. surveillance capabilities and that is why this story matters. molly hooper, congressional reporter for the hill. nbc news digital report alex sitesweld. all join me now. we will get through this discussion without saying the words nude selfie again i predict. the rule issue is this question of whether revealing this investigation, sharing the material, does share information about the surveillance
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capabilities. is robert mueller's team right? >> i think they are right. here's the problem. we do so some friction between the need to kind of secure the materials that are acquired during an investigation, whether it's by for rebs of cell phones or computers or searches of physical property. the need for a defendant to fully and fairly defend against the charges. what i have seen, i will tell you over the years is a prosecutor is when we do a forensic search of a computer, we see everything. it may not be related to the investigation at all. >> of course. >> we have to pour through every single item, every picture, every file. i have seen things that i can't unsee. we're in a position now where i think the judge will have to seriously consider if not lifting the protective order, modifying it so the defendant and whoever he needs to consult with in russia to defend against the charges can fully evaluate the evidence against him.
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>> what's the danger in that? >> the danger is huge. you may run the risk of outing sources or investigative methods. not to mention this is an unusual posture because mueller has lots of ongoing investigations. some of the discovery material that we give over to the defense could out avenues of the invs. ga investigation, it's over. >> why would they say this is made up investigation, mock mueller's methods. is this a ploy to get attention to his client? is this a way to play to the home team in moscow? >> it's probably to play moscow and more of the public relations blitz we see from the rudy giuliani's of the world trying to win public sentiment. we have learned the mueller investigation involves no witch hunts whatsoever.
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>> i won't say the words but any time you have those kind of things like nudes selfies and does grab a lot of attention. i know congress is itching to see what mueller has. i know members of the republican party want this to be over. democrats want them to take their time. they are waiting for the report to come out to see how to proceed when it comes to dealing with donald trump and the people around him. they want know what's going on now. they want the answers. >> the further we get into it and the closer we get to a report even more so. rudy giuliani yesterday saying that donald trump will no longer be responding to questions from the special counsel. they have refused to sit down with the special counsel. we know where this is heading which is a clash of credibility. donald trump and his allies have been trying to undermine the
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credibility of the mueller investigation to discredit anything that might come out before it comes out. maybe this lawyer here is taking page from that play book. >> let me ask about a different piece of an investigation that is affecting president trump, which is this investigation as you were talking about in our piece, into his personal charity. the trump foundation that is now agreeing to dissolve. there's been a long court battle about this. you were quoting saying this would crash through the trump organization like a mack truck. can you explain why? >> when the new york state attorney general is looking into the trump foundation and i think the defense team has already given up the ghost and said we'll shut down the foundation. when we hear things like the charitable organization purchased a $10,000 portrait of donald trump to hang in one of his resorts, i'm not sure where the charity of that act really comes in. whose being benefitted from
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that. what's coming to light now is the trump foundation was so closely held that the only people who could write checks were trump and his family members. then we hear the cfo of the trump organization didn't even know he was the chief financial officer of the trump foundation. those things are about to crash together and i think it's going to be a pretty ugly wreck. >> as we were talk about in the other case, once you get into the legal process of discovery because the officers are the same for the trump foundation and the organization, investigators could fooinind al kinds of stuff. you can't see what you saw. >> it's a can of worms. we'll leave it there. thank you all for joining me for the 9:00 a.m. hour. since stephanie is in this anchor chair this hour, you nope how she likes to end her show.
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no matter what, there's always good news somewhere. she thinks and we thinks good news ruhles. a 31-year-old mother to be was determined to walk in her graduation, she did so in active labor. that's right. doctors gave her medication to stop her early contractions. the mom to be said she wanted to be on hand to celebrate with her fellow accounting grads which included her mom. you had multiple generations present in this graduation that day. she headed to the hospital. gave birth to a healthy baby boy. congratulations to mom, baby and congratulations on the gra graduation as well. congress heads home as the shutdown drags on. the president makes new threats. we have the latest next hour on msnbc. e the latest next hour on msnbc. is now in session. and... adjourned. business loans for eligible card members up to fifty thousand dollars,
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i'm hallie jackson in washington. welcome back. the government will start the new year in shutdown mode stuck in a stalemate with 800,000 workers stuck in the middle. we have reality check on the new threat from the president to shut down something else. the southern border. and when washington might try to work itself out of this mess. with the focus on the boarder, that's where the homeland security secretary is headed today. days after a second migrant child died in the custody of customs and border protection. we'll explain her mission down
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south. it's never too early to talk 2020 as the potential presidential field gets more crowded. the latest to dip his toe in. you see him right there and dip into his own wallet. michael bloomberg. we have 2020 vision later in the show with our team set up and ready to go on this friday morning. we start with that partial government shutdown. the white house is digging in on its demands for some kind of border barrier money. they are putting nancy pelosi under the bus saying it's her fault less than a week she's expected to become the next house speaker. han is at the white house. garrett is up on the hill. hans, let me start with you. we have seen a lot of action from white house officials this morning. we don't know what's on the president's schedule today. we can presume, perhaps more tweets. >> reporter: always a safe bet. what we saw from the white house is engaging on multiple fronts trying to establish the terms of the debate going forward these


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