obviously this whole hour talking government shutdown. we know vice president pence was talking to congressional leaders on capitol hill and president trump was at camp david talking to his staff about border security. take a listen to president trump now on the south lawn giving a wrap-up of what took place at camp david. let's listen. >> -- a steel barrier. steel barrier. it will be made out of steel. it will be less ob strusive and stronger, less obtrusive, stronger and we're able to use our great companies to make it by using steel. so we're doing a steel barrier, and that gives us great strength at the border. i would rather have the supreme court rule amend then work with the democrats on daca. i want to help with daca but i'd rather have this going, it's

going before the supreme court very soon and rather than doing something with daca now, frankly, i'd rather work with the democrats, let the supreme court rule first. >> [ indiscernible ]. >> no. we're looking at a national emergency, because we have a national emergency. just read the papers. we have a crisis at the border of drugs, of human beings being trafficked all over the world. they're coming through, and we have an absolute crisis and of criminals and gang members coming through. it is national security. it's a national emergency. we'll be letting you know fairly soon. >> do you want to declare a national emergency, how would you then build the wall? where will the money come from? >> we have a lot of different ways. i'm not getting into that. we'll luooking at it strongly. hopefully we can do it this way. it's going to be a steel border giving us great strength. >> why do the democrats -- [ indiscernible ]. >> they don't like concrete so

we'll give them steel. steel is fine. steel is actually -- steel is actually more expensive than concrete, but it will look beautiful and it's very strong. it's actually stronger. >> [ indiscernible ]. >> i think they will make an adjustment, because they want to see the border taken care of. you know, government workers want to see the border taken care of. it affects them very dearly. >> [ indiscernible ]. >> they love our country, and they want to make sure that we have a strong border. >> [ indiscernible ]. >> say again? >> [ indiscernible ]. >> i don't know. democrats or not. probably in this case a lot of them are democrats. you have a lot of republicans, too, but regardless, i mean, that's the way it is. those people are great americans. they're great patriots and want to make sure we have a strong border. very important. >> [ indiscernible ]. >> we're looking at everything. >> what do you say to the american people --

[ indiscernible ]. >> it all will work out. what we need is, we need a strong border. we have criminals coming up. human traffickers coming in. we have drugs pouring in. things happening you don't even want to know about and it's been that way for decades and we can't have it anymore, and because of the strength of our economy, the strongest it is, it's probably the greatest economy we've ever had, and because of that it's happening even more so. we have to stop it. thank you, everybody. have a good day. thank you. thank you. >> listening to president trump there returning from camp david on the south lawn at the white house. obviously talking about border security. how we're going to work on getting some steel instead of concre concrete. he says democrats don't necessarily like concrete and, of course, calling what's happening at the border an emergency, a national emergency. i want to bring in my panel here to discuss. noah rothman, along with beth fuey, member of nbc news and

julie roginski and gideon resnick political reporter for the "daily beast." noah, start us off here. commenting first from what we heard from the president. doesn't actually seem like things have gotten done at camp david, let's say. no resolution and he didn't talk about a resolution on the south lawn but i don't think we expected things to get done considering what was happening so far. no one was feeling positive about it so far. now saying, okay. going to be a steel barrier versus concrete. not really a big change. >> i suppose it's movement. cosmetic movement but indicative how superficial this entire showdown really is. the wall really isn't on the table. right? the original ask for the wall was $25 billion. we're talking about a fraction of that. even if they managed to secure that it weould go to only a little of that on the border. the president's is worried about his right frank.

those serious about immigration skepticism don't regard the wall as being highest of priorities. a variety of other provisions and certainly not a deal for daca. that would result in some sort of insurrection. so nobody has incentive to really move, and democrats can simply sit back and wait for the pain to start before this president starts to move even further. already showing he's interested in giving a little bit. >> interesting, beth, because he is going with the same, exact line that we saw on the campaign trail, and as mnoah pointed outside, doesn't seem he's giving in at all and going further, sort of rehighlighting what he did on the campaign trail. talking about, this is a crisis of drugs, of human beinging at the border, really wanting to drive home seems as if to his base that there is a crisis at the border. >> that's been his line forever. since the campaign. you remember from the campaign, of course, the big line,

mexico's going to pay for this. he's already starting in a hole. promised supporters, promised the american people if the wall got built mexico would pay. now in a different position. he has to ask congress to appropriate money for the wall. they already appropriate billions and billions for border security every year. there's already quite a bit of fencing across the southern border. hundreds of miles of it. in isn't completely out of the fwlou ask f ordinary to ask for a barrier. accept steel. accept a wall that wasn't hard concrete. perhaps it's movement and maybe democrats hearing that can say, okay. we can accept a few more hundred yards of fencing since we already have that down here anyway. if we can extract some sort of deal. interesting you say insurrection if daca was placed back on the table. from what we're hearing from the inside of these negotiations daca is back on the table. seems democrats if they get something in return would be willing to grant some sort of --

>> you think so? >> security that they don't want to let him call it a wall. just a bit more of what we currently have or some technological improvements, e-verify, that's a good compromise. >> sees video of the vice president. definitely a working weekend to say the least in washington right now of the vice president walking out after a meeting with congressional leaders all day as he has been all weekend alongside him jared kushner and, of course, secretary nielsen as well. julie, give me your thoughts on what we heard from the president on the south lawn? >> interesting. to beth's point. democrats may be able to exchange daca for fencing. if you give him something, anything he's asking for it will make the next negotiation that much harder. the decision nancy pelosi, chuck schumer and respective conferences need to make, whether they give the president something to salt his own base and say we got the wall even though it's not really the wall, even though it's a few miles of fencing, because that will

empower and embolden him to do this again and again and again. at which point as a democratic leader do you put a line in the sand and say, no. not even a inch more fencing to call it what you want to call it to placate your base and establish a precedent for what you'll do next time. that's a decision for democrats. a tough one. daca has been a priority for the party for so long. the other hand, do you negotiate with people who negotiate the way donald trump has? the answer, i'm not sure. if the conference and caucus will go along with the two leaders if they do that. >> the thing, also an issue who will actually pay for the wall. in essence, the president put out i want this $5 billion. eventually we'll pay it back because mexico will pay for the wall through the trade deal. the problem, people within the administration, tpresident and mick mulvaney can't agree who will pay for the wall. the president saying mexico will pay and sticking to it. mick mulvaney saying on the sunday shows not necessarily how

it works. confusing to the public when you hear two very different things coming out of the white house. playing sound from the president saying that and take a listen to mulvaney and then comment on it. go ahead, guys. >> what we save on the usmca, what we save on that, just with mexico will pay for the wall many times over. >> we will be taking in more money as part of our relationship with mexico and that could be available to us to build the wall. now, it still requires appropriation as does all money. if mexico actually wrote us a check, it could still have to go into treasury and be appropriated by congress. that's how our system works. >> different than what the president was actually just saying. >> right. >> they should probably get on the same page over that. >> the other difficulty, too, in the negotiation process for all of this is that no one is on the same page with one another. you have jared kushner essentially putting daca back into this agreement like has been reported. you have the vice president actually talking about maybe just $2. 6 billion instead of $5

and chuck schumer's offer to take that deal. >> and they've now walked back. >> right. none is going through the final approval process of the president himself. you have a negotiation process that has been sort of given over to this group of people he's taken his hands off it besides tweeting about it and making our public declarations that are same as before. >> noah, do you think the president actually understand the real impact the shutdown is having on federal workers? throw up numbers for people. 420,000 federal employees working without pay. 380,000 employees on unpaid leave or furlough and january 11th, first time they won't see a paycheck. when it's really going to hit home. a lot of times you get paid two weeks behind. right? it's really hitting home that this government shutdown is happening and is continuing. i wonder if the president and his administration really understand the impact of the shutdown? that it's not only having on federal workers and going far as

to say, the federal workers, many impacted are democrats. i don't necessarily know where hez get the information, amplgtamplgt., and, b., democrats, they're all americans. >> extremely callous and you've heard when the government reopens, retroactive pay. this pain will be temporary and they won't feel it for a very long time. >> living paycheck to paycheck doesn't really make a difference? >> no. very callous and i think the president responds particularly fast to news coverage, and he will see in very short order stories about the pain that this is causing, and that, more than anything i think, will affect how he views his actions, how he views how this is being played out in public and whether or not he needs to give a little more in negotiations. >> and you're wondering as more of these personal stories come out whether or not more republicans will jump ship on this border wall to try and get this government back up and running, considering how many federal workers are now talking about their experiences talking

about the shutdown. much more to come. thank you, guys. gideon, you'll stick around. thank you. coming up from deploying troops inside u.s. borders to taking control of the internet. ed in the president's threat to declare a national emergency and the surprising powers that could give him. n, nin't easy.

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of drugs, of human beings being trafficked all over the world. they're coming through and we have an absolute crisis and of criminals and gang members coming through. it is national security. it's a national emergency. >> [ indiscernible ]. >> we'll be letting you know fairly soon. all right. so if congress fails to secure funding for a border wall president trump says he may call a national emergency to actually get it build. that idea is getting major pushback from democrats. watch this. >> really threatening talk from the president that he doesn't have the power to execute. look, if harry truman couldn't nationalize the steel industry during wartime, this president doesn't have the power to declare an emergency and build a multibillion dollar wall on the border. >> so joining me now to break all of this down, the legalities of the president's emergency powers is lawrence lesic, harvard law school professor and christine greer at fordham,

university. curt bkurt bardella and gideon k is back with us. start with you, lawrence. talk to me about the legality behind the president being able to declare a state of emergency. can he do it? >> well, unfortunately, the reality is the statutes of the united states give the president an extraordinary amount of power, which we presumed would be exercised by a president with extraordinary judgment. and that is not the case right now. so constitutionally, he wouldn't have the power to do what he claims he want to do, but the question is, under these statutes whether had could create enough uncertainty to be able to dislodge the presumption, the very strong presumption, that build a wall on the border requires an act by congress, which he's just not going to get. >> so what type of powers would he have if he were to declare a state of emergency?

>> well, the problem is that the man is using words that have no connection to reality. he says we have a national crisis, a national security crisis. a national emergency. i agree we have a national emergency but the emergency is this president. the emergency is the fact we don't have an executive who's exercising his power in a responsible way. so if he calls this national security, and he invokes the powers that have been granted under these statutes according to national security then there has to be a process to check him and that process takes time. i think ultimately he has no constitutional authority to exercise the power to build this wall without congress' approval, and these statutes were certainly not written with the intent to give a man like donald trump the power that he's now claiming, but it's not an efficient process to check him and that's the uncertainty i think congress now has to face. >> what does -- does he have to prove anything, to dip into

these department of defense funds in order to get this wall built? is there anything this president has to prove this is actually a national emergency? >> he can declare it. make that declaration. >> outright? >> he will outright make a claim, no justification but there will be legal action taken. an injunction file. extraordinary steps to slow the process and get it through the courts and concurrently, remember, we have a democratic congress acting as a check and balance to this president. conduct oversight investigations, have hearings, parade every single administration official, a part of this decision, andprepared t so. >> absolutely pup looking at secretary nielsen, bringing her in to ask questions about the child deportation. inhumane treatments of children, prepared to have those meetings in the next couple weeks. >> guys, put that full-screen on what happens when the president actually declares a state of emergency.

the powers the president could feasibly have. seize and control internet access. deploy troops inside of the country and fabricate an emergency. from the atlantic. talk to me about this. >> you know, as has been said we have to recognize congress not only has a democratic house but they have power of the purse. we know that this president has not read the constitution. the constitution is a relatively vague document because each president has slowly but surely seized more power over time from george washington to donald trump. so donald trump thinks that the presidency, the office of the executive, is a monarchy. right? he's the king. why can't i just declare things and put my stake in the sand and i want it. we have to make sure we put pressure on the republican senate to make sure that mitch mcconnell and people who follow mitch mcconnell aren't slowly but surely abdicating and

acquiescing to the demands this president makes on them. >> and i want people to understand, gid eon what happen during one mp the state of emergencies. george w. bush declared a state of emergency after the attacks of 9/11. during that time period when waterboarding was implemented, and that's when warrantless wiretapping happened as well. we know what happened accidentally because of those actions taking place. what is the likelihood you think now that something like this could happen? where the president would go ahead and declare a state of emergency? >> i think fairly low. just based on the political realities that we're sort of outlining here. i think at some point he does see as we talked about in the previous segment that this is a shutdown that's becoming bad press for him effectively and negotiations will happen somebody meets in the middle to prevent this from occurring. such a large step to take for something that majority of the public doesn't necessarily want. and that in the most recent

election we had was sort of a rebuke to this hard-line immigration stance with democrats taking 40 seats in the house of representatives. so at some point he does sort of get to appoint where he understands the political realities of his action. somewhat unlikely he doesn't do this. >> final thoughts on this? >> yeah. i think that the point made about the senate is really important here. we know we have a president who's out of control. the framers gave us a constitution for checking that. that constitution, imagines that congress steps up and does its job. it's the united states senate right now that could rein this president in. it's mitch mcconnell who could act in way that makes it so this president's danger would be discovered but he hasn't done that and i think it's mcconnell who bears the real burden for what's happening. >> the real question, will he? thank you for joining us. appreciate it. everybody else will stay with me. i want to turn to syria. the president also walking back earlier statements he made about

an immediate withdrawal of troops from that war-torn nation. watch this. >> we're going to be removing our troops. i never said we're doing it that quickly. we won't be finally pulled out until isis is gone. >> how long is the pullout period? >> going quickly. >> so the administration appearing to pump the brakes. national security adviser telling reporters in israel earlier today that the u.s. won't pull out of syria with a pledge from turkey not to attack the kurds in the region. for more i welcome nbc terrorism analyst malcolm nantz. we are a long way way from december 19th when the president announced he would pull forces out of syria and now walking that back. what do you think happened here behind the scenes? >> well, you never know what happens behind the scenes with donald trump, because any strategic planning which could have occurred at the joint chiefs level or political discussions that have occurred throughout nato and nato allies

could be superseded by one phone call from president erdogan a private call from vladimir putin. you never know. even netanyahu could have him reverse his own policies. but one thing that's very dangerous here is to understand that a pledge from the president erdogan of turkey is built on air. he can have wait until the very day u.s. forces leave. wait 24 hours and not commit and then carry out a massive incursion against the kurds. so you know, president trump is going on these private relationships to make these deals, and it's just going to end in bloodshed and death. >> talk to me about bolton's announcement, malcolm, that the u.s. will lead a koconditional withdrawal based on the syrians not being attacked by the turks? >> based on a phone call we really don't know what was

agreed upon between president trump and president erdogan. all of this being said the kurds aren't really being consulted in here at all. there's already been moves by the kurds to start aligning themselves with bashar al assad, to create a deal where they will essentially operate in alliance with the syrian government against turkey if turkey incurs. another thing is, they have also said they have 3,000 isis combatants and their families captive. if the united states withdraws, they will release them back to isis, because then their security is not -- their worry is not isis. their worry is a multidivisional invasion by the turkish army hoping to stamp them out of existence. this entire policy is madness. one quick aside. two years ago donald trump told "time" magazine the last book he read was my very large tone "defeating isis."

nowhere in there did i recommend we abandon our allies to our enemies in the region and to vladimir putin. i guess he didn't get that message. >> lastly, another large group of people affected by the polici policies. the troops. seems confusing to hear the president say we're pulling out of syria and walk it back saying it's a slow pullout. i don't think anybody really understands where the administration stands now with regard to mideast policy and where the troops stand, really. this is their lives, being affected by this. >> yes. >> and the -- >> on their way to the middle east, they had to get pulled back when the president changed his tune on december 19th and now subsequently are being told to head that way again. >> you're right. the types of troops that are going over there. these 2,000 personnel, are principally made up of personnel from the special forces. their mission isindigenous

training. a good analogy, during the vietnam war, the mong people of vietnam and are now living in the united states. this appears to be another circumstance, these troop whose invested a decade of operations around the middle east and then with isis fighting against isis alone for almost five years, they are going to be asked to get their weapons, put them in a container and walk away and allow these people to be killed. it's going to have a very negative effect. but the orders. they'll follow orders. >> thank you. my panel is sticking with me. coming up hitting the ground running. what elizabeth warren is telling voters in iowa and the next democrat planning to make an announcement about 2020. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. >> tech: at safelite autoglass

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of that money is going to the top? >> seems like she lost her voice and this is just the beginning. we are still more than a year away from the iowa caucus but this weekend massachusetts senator elizabeth warren kicked off her first campaign event in the first in the nation caucus state announced monday in e-mail to supporters she was forming an exploratory committee for president. a recent iowa poll has the 2020 democratic hopeful at the fourth choice among likely caucusgoers. also on the poll, former secretary of housing under president obama expected to make an announcement on his bid for president this saturday. and all back with me, my panel. bring up the politico tweet that caught fire this week, comparing elizabeth warren to former -- to hillary clinton. i said former hillary clinton. she's still very much hillary clinton. to hillary clinton in negative light. how does elizabeth warren avoid a hillary clinton written off as

too unlikable before her campaign gets off the frownegro? what do you make of this? >> problematic, but unfortunately that's what a lot of voters are still thinking about. i would love to think we're post-gender but we're not as a nation. there were people that said i will definitely vote for a woman but not hillary clinton. we clearly have deep conversations about this and also as a democratic party. i don't know how elizabeth warren is going to navigate this really, i think it's, it's a really dangerous frame already set up in the sense she's as, sort of the nagging grandmother similarly to hillary clinton, as opposed to looking at her policies and her record and her feasibility of winning. i don't know how she will change that narrative, especially as younger people start to enter the fray. the democrats still have not decided, i talked to many democrat.

some have straight out said i think we should go with a white male and then you know, figure out what we want to do for the vp ticket. the key is to win and the policy discussionless come separately. the key, have someone with a personality to beat donald trump and i don't necessarily think a quote/unquote woman can do that, which is a dangerous conversation but one we need to have. >> beth to you on this. you've done election work in general. two things there. two points christina brings up. how much a factor is gender a factor in this upcoming election and secondly, will it come down to who can beat tnt adonald trud not necessarily who is the best person in the democratic party to put forward? >> voters across the country, jaw-dropped hillary clinton didn't win. every poll said she would. trump eked out in the end, many reasons. perhaps one being, telling pollsters couldn't vote for a woman. he gender worked against her. that scares people going into

this race. as you say, the big goal for democrats is, to pick a winner. whomever that person is. somebody to beat trump. we've already seen a woman, most famous, most experienced woman in american politics could not do so, it will scare a lot of people. not only elizabeth warren in the field, expecting kamala harris to get in in a week or two. amy klobuchar, kristen gillibrand another senator. a lot of women in the field. people are color in this field and a more diverse field than we've ever seen. that's a great thing. on the other hand, because of this concern over who can win, and everybody being scared of trump because he seemed to come out of nowhere and beat back everyone, there's no way to look at this large field of talented candidates and sort of isolate or identify that one person who has it all who has all of those qualities that can get, number one get nominated and two, beat trump. >> and you're hearing names beth throws out there. the list is 17 or so people are

possibilities. >> and more perhaps. >> as of now. >> perhaps. >> the fear is for democrats that this thing could be so huge, this pool of people that could be running, could be so huge it wouldi -- who would democrats be able to put support behind? splitting support between all of these individuals and couldn't corral behind one person? >> yeah. the phenomena we're speaking to is the nerves that accompany democratic voters throughout the history of time. always nervous about something. >> right. >> i think 16, like we said, was a moment of reckoning for them where they just didn't understand how something like that could happen and everything compared to that once again. as we all know, that was sort of an event that took a conglomeration of crazy things to result in the political reality that we have now. that is to say that i guess there will be some sort of intermangling about how, which candidate is best to support. who's going to siphon off 2% here, 3% there.

voters will largely go with their gut and be excited somebody's coming to their town, talking to them and cast aside the rest of the considerations. >> i like to play a match game. who will work, pockets ossibilit there. joe biden and kamala harris as a possible match. biden at the top of the ticket. kamala harris at vp. what do you think? can it work? >> look what checks the most boxes potentially. >> this does. >> getting white people, new generation democrats, having diversity on there, having experience. biden/harris checks a lot of those boxes on one ticket. >> but you can't help think about biden's age in all this. >> true. kamala harris is from california. that helps. she's got a progressive record and kamala harris helps joe biden with a black female problem. he has yet to apologize for his role in the anita hill hearing,

excuse me. the clarence thomas hearings of which anita hill was essentially on trial. that will help with the reticence of a lot of female black voters. >> and elizabeth warren/cory booker. >> which one is at the top? elizabeth warren apartment the top. >> yeah. booker vice president. >> throw it around. switch it up. >> two senators usually, usually not something you see matched up in either party. quickly, you want somebody, if a senator's nominated for president a governor, somebody with a different set of experiences to be the vp. on the other hand you do have a couple senators there who are very popular with progressives. you have a person of color. you have elizabeth warren, very, very famously progressive and populist. that would be an exciting ticket in terms of wanting to see them campaign. both fantastic speakers with a lot of charisma. whether there's a lot of -- whether there's much sort of difference between them, they're

kind of the same in many ways. two senators who kind of represent the same set of point of views. that could be good for a lot of people. >> i want to bring up this last one. even though i was told to wrap. beta o'rourke and bernie sanders. beta o'rourke, either one of you, top of the ticket and bernie sanders as vp. not necessarily sure bernie sanders would be okay with that. >> i don't think democrats would be in a good place if they ran beto and bernie as a ticket. not realistic and not going to happen. hard pass. >> hard pass. >> certainly there's appeals to different factions of people on their own. >> right. >> but i don't -- i guess i just have no idea in terms of, you know, the structural logistics of a primary. the states you would win, how you would win with those two. i think -- i think if we look at midterms, hard-pressed to predict anything outside of a person of color and/or woman being on the ticket to some extent. >> right. >> yeah. >> i don't understand how we're

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a slatted fence at the u.s./mexico border. the tweet inspired by a phrase familiar to fans of the hbo hit series. ♪ >> winter is coming. >> might just be the cold. >> winter is coming! >> the winter is coming. >> winter is coming. >> not winter, but wall. back to the recap. the president replacing winter with wall. the border wall as we know. the crux of negotiations and a partial government shutdown. but fans of the "game of thrones" series are quick to point out the irony of president trump's parody citing finale, if you are not caught up you should turn away now. >> the walls don't work. with $5 billion and paychecks

for hurns of thousands of government employees on the line, the nbc biz tech team came up with a list what else $5 billion could actually buy. for the cost of a wall, you could build and install a solar farm that could power 1 million homes. a lot of houses. if clean energy doesn't excite you what about bonuses? with $5 billion, every nurse in america could receive a $1,500 bonus. imagine that. or you could give that same bonus to every schoolteacher in the united states and still have $200 million left over. currently the epa operates on just an $8 billion budget. government could use the $5 billion wall request to increase the epa budget by 60%. not going to do that, though it seem. $5 billion would more than double the budget for substance abuse and mental health administrations that government agencies are tasked with redu reducing the impact of substance abuse and mental illness on

america's communities and with a little more money, $5.8 billion, the government can pay one month's benefits to more than 40 million americans receiving food stamps as part of the supplemental nutritional assistance program. $5 billion goes a very long way, but with no end in sight, some analysts estimate the economic cost of the government shutdown may already exceed the border wall budget. take that in for a moment. up next, everybody, tonight the golden globe marks one year since the time that movement launched in hollywood. what's thing thatted, plus how will the show handle politics? that's coming up. politics? that's coming up

welcome back. the 76th annual golden globe are tonight. sandra oh and andy samberg will host. oh, boy, have things changed in a year. tomorrow actor kevin spacey is expected to plead not guilty on a charge of indecent assault in massachusetts. and last may harvey weinstein was arrested and charged with rape. in california, two #metoo laws took effect january 1st. one restricting the use of non-disclosure agreements the other requires women to be on

corporate boards. if you haven't noticed, two movies with black actors topped the golden globe list. and returning with us, our panel and you can stick around. >> aren't nominated. >> you said it. i can't say that but you said that. first i want to talk politics here. obviously. usually a lot of these shows have become very political. especially when we have the president that we do. they take a lot of stars take to the stage and talk politics. do we foresee that happen this year? >> see less of it this year but the golden globe are a party more than awards show. >> which means they drink. >> 1,500 bottles of champagne drunk tonight in a room that seats only 1,100. plus beer, plus -- >> do you need a plus-one? are you going?

>> sometimes, but not this year. but it's -- it's a place anything can happen. it's kind of fun. a couple years ago we saw meryl streep really take on donald trump. last year oprah took on the #metoo detractor, so something like that will happen but we don't know yet what. >> give us the behind-the-scenes with regards to the times up movement, how that will show up tonight with the golden globes. so many changes in hollywood and everything that's going down from the harveys to the kevin spaceys and how this times up has been an incredible time for women in hollywood? >> well, we're not seeing it on the awards side, is the big cheat. we don't have a major movie directed by a woman advancing through this awards process. that's frustrating, but that said, on the red carpet tonight at the globes you will see a return to normal. last year reporters were banned from asking questions like, who are you wearing? stars wore black. not happening this year.

it's a return to normal. >> why haven't we seen more of a shift in hollywood? like tom brought up? the fact no female director is being nominated. >> the power has been calcified so many decades. really difficult. we have a lot of talented women and people are color in hollywood. ever since i would say melvin van peoples and gordon parks, it's been difficult for african-americans to get in to hollywood. we know oftentimes people hire, people look like them, well documented data from academia to medicine to law, to hollywood as well. so hollywood is no different than sort of white men at the top essentially amassing incredibly large amounts of power for a very long time and slowly but surely doling it out. it's much more difficult for marginalized groups to really break in. seen it with hosting with casting with color-blind casting. permeates throughout the entire industry. >> go ahead. >> and change tonight.

spike lee could win director and the year of spike lee and hollywood could finally address the race problem. >> interesting that news is now the fact that a film like "crazy rich asians" or "black panther" is huge because it's an all black or all asian cast. right? should have happened a long time ago yet now it's news we have films like that. >> part of how we change these things over time, when you have these breakthroughs with all-asian casts and primarily african-american casts and they're hugely successful. blockbusters, making records, hopefully paves the way and entices more studios to make more films like that, have more diversity and do those, make social progress and still make money, their primary goal. >> i finally watched "crazy rich asians." >> so good. can't wait for the sequel. >> give us winners? >> coronation of lady gaga. the queen of hollywood officially now. she will win actress, song, "a

star is born" will win best picture. at gold derby, my media, everybody says it's a "a star is born" sweep. the question, does bradley go along for the ride? two nominations in director and writing. bradley cooper and may split votes. >> i know you have some information on the host of the oscars, because obviously, there was back and forth about kevin hart and was he going to host, not host? ellen degeneres encouraging him to host the oscar, but you have the info who could feasibly be host of the oscars? >> what the board of governors is debating if kevin says no tomorrow, should give final word then and it's up to him. the academy will take him if he wants. if not, they return to what they used to do in the '70s and '80s a group of hosts. three to five. the mandate is have a majority women. it might be all women. >> that would be nice. i like the idea.

>> nobody wants the job anymore. a nation of hating on the oscar hosts. >> thank you all for being here today. appreciate it, everybody. be sure to catch all winners of the golden globe awards tonight beginning8:00 eastern. stern. bounty, the quicker picker upper.

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on "morning joe" along side my friend, cohort, colleague, my road dog, ayman mohyeldin. >> a staple of my week. i always look forward to t. you know, six day as week is tough. you know. >> absolutely. well deserved. hello everyone. i'm ayman mohyeldin. a lot to break down this hour. not budging an inch. president trump demanding nearly $ billion for a wall. democrats still saying, no. and federal workers obviously caught in the middle of all of this. the shutdown enters its third week with no end in sight. and the first action frk republicans in the new senate won't be to reopen the government, believe it or not. it is to defend the right of states to require people and companies to pledge not to b boycott israel. plus donald trump's