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from his hometown paper. from the white house he routinely says to people look, i'm in this article, this article, this article, that is his source of validation even has he shreds -- >> the importance of bearing witness and to hold power to account, speak truth to power, ask the questions of those that don't have the access, that's as big of a role as to bear witness. he has a piece of it. she missing another piece of it. great to see you. thank you for everything you do for us. >> together america we will rise. that is from corey booker, one of the highest profile democrats to jump into the 2020 race. minutes ago he wrapped up a news conference outside of his home in newark. he was full of inspirational quotes, but what are his policies. how will he convince voters that
he is the right choice. he officially announced his campaign online this morning, he is on a media blitz today and he is facing tough questions. >> president trump attacks you on your history with banks and hedge funds, how will you respond so that? >> anyone that knows my history knows that my history of standing up for people that are often peing hurt by bad actors. i lived in newark in the mortgage crisis. i saw the predatory loans of people luring people into homes who had no jobs and no income and they gave them cash at closing. my record as a mayor and senator is fighting those interests that are trying to screw people. >> as the "new york times" reports, he offered his first three media interviews to radio shows anchored by black and latino radio hosts.
he is joining the most diverse field in history. joining me is beth and steve kornacki. i don't want to alarm anyone, but you're wearing a jacket and a tie. >> nice to see you. >> beth, what does corey booker have to do to distinguished. how does corey booker stand out? >> that soundbite you just played is very interesting of his comments in newark. he is talking about cities and being a mayor. the issues of housing, of criminal justice, he is going to talk about that and we spent so much time since president trump has been our president and was elected with so much help from people in other parts of the country, rural areas, the forgotten people that don't live in major urban areas, he is
taking a different tact saying this is where people living with let's talk about the issues we face. >> you covered him when he lost the race in newark. the interesting point of him being a mayor. we have people who have senators, how does that play into the race for him? >> it is interesting, too. it is interesting to see his political evolution. he is not from newark, originally. she from the -- he is from the suburbs. and that campaign for mayor that made him sort of famous. he lost to a four-term mayor. and it was sharp james telling residents hey, this guy is using you. he is coming into your city from the outside to get all of this national press attention by
beating me, and then will move on to something else. and he had to pro he was committed to the city. he lost that race in 2002, he stayed around until 2006, things turned around, he was able to get the mayor's job then, and now it is 12 years later and he is moving on to the white house. he had to convince them he was here for more than a overnight. >> folks from new jersey stick together, and he is in new jersey, and it is a funny thing. this is a large and growing field. many of the folks are kind of standing out in ways that you haven't seen before. we have several women now in the race, we have corey booker, the first african-american man, it will be tricky to distinguish themselves. picking off interesting people
that will step out and said good things for these people is important. jimmy carter they are speaking out for cory booker. we got this from open secrets dot org. they have a lot of money from lawyers and law if i weres. three million and two million respectively. you pharmaceuticals and health products there. >> the corey booker you're looking at right now, they have changed in significant ways in the last five years. but if you go back to 10 or 15 years og he cultivated but as mayor of newark he raised a lot of money.
he went with charmer schools and he cultivated -- >> it was in 2012, mitt romney. he came out in that campaign and he said what they were doing was nauseating. they looked at them assort of their favorite democrat. they are corporate and wall street guys. i noticed he shifted with that. he said he is not taking any corporate money and i think. he was talking about in particular private health care. we have been hearing all of this medicare for all stuff will bankrupt an industry that emp y
employs a lot of people. >> will you do away with private health care. >> etch counven countries with access to public health care steve have private health care, so no. >> the issues that a lot of people are talking about is it hacks nuance and lacks detail. virtually no one has outlined an actual health care proposal. they have all gotten on the bandwagon of health care for everybody. >> this conversation would have been unheard of eight years ago, certainly four years ago. now there is consensus that health care should basically be universal. the yes is how to get there. no one has spelled what it means and what it would cost. michael bloomberg will talk about how that is impractical.
it's a broad agreement. we will hear them talk about it in the next several months. >> is there a logical path to victory or is it too early to know that. >> i think certainly, what i look at with corey booker is the emphasis on cities, urban issues. early key primary states. but that original appeal early in his career. i always come back and say that for so long he couldn't win. he lost the election and he was probably the most popular in new jersey because of his tremendous due burr ban-- suburban appeal.
you saw that resonated outside of the city. and i wonder the suburbs in later states. >> that will be interesting to watch you. >> while the pool of candidates looking to take on 2020, one of those controversial policies is the border wall and the president's argument for building it. trump told reporters there is a good chance that he will take the opportunity to build his wall but he won't until the funding runs out in two weeks. >> have you privately decided whether or not you will declare a national mr naal emergency? >> what's in my mind? i'm certainly thinking about it. i think there is a good chance we will have to, regardless
we're building wall, a lot of wall, but i could do it faster the other way. >> jeff, is there anything new in that, the president continued on about how he is already building new wall and that is bying built. we know that is a lie, but it is the same theme that he is beating. i'm not going to prejudge the outcome, but basically said they're a waste of time. >> the president is increasingly prejudging the outcome of these negotiations aimed at finding an agreement that is acceptable to democrats, republicans, and president trump. so today we heard him say what he said to the "new york times" yesterday. that anything short of a wall is a nonstarter, it is a waste of time. and we talked about how who whole debate is one of semantics. what constitutes a wall.
it is confused because he is disrepresenting or lying about the facts. we know there is 1954 miles from coast to coast. you have over 650 miles of barrier that existed before he was ever president. since his election, zero miles of new wall, not a single inch -- >> i wish we could make the graphic on the screen bigger. maybe just a big fat zero, nothing else on the screen. i don't mean to interrupt you, zero miles of new wall have been built to date, thank you. >> right, so now that we're armed with the facts, take a listen to what he had to say earlier today in the cabinet room and we'll talk more on the other side. >> we have a lot of machine. we have $1.6 approved, now
another $1.6 billion approved, now $1.3 billion approved. >> do you need appropriations from congress? >> we're appropriated. we have a lot of appropriation. a lot of it is dope. we have things we have not done yet, we're considering a national mrm. >> you saw there he weaves in and out between fact and fix. >> we're renovating new wall, that is true. he is talking about the fact that the dhs is approved to repair existing wall. there are existing levee projects ongoing but nowhere along the border is new ball being built. >> when artificial intelligence with live fact check the president what else will we do
with our free time? a judge considering a gag order for roger stone. we're live at the courthouse after the break. a surge in jobs despite the longest government shut down in u.s. history. i'm joined by the chairman of the white house council of economic advisors later in the hour. you're watching msnbc. hour you're watching msnbc. you should be mad at forced camaraderie. and you should be mad at tech that makes things worse. but you're not mad, because you have e*trade, who's tech makes life easier by automatically adding technical patterns on charts and helping you understand what they mean. don't get mad. get e*trade's simplified technical analysis. in them therr hills on your guarantevacation.find gold but we can guarantee the best price on this rental cabin. or any accomodation from hotels to yurts. booking.com, booking.yeah
handed this news. a long time confident of president trump, roger stone, has ten days to make his case from why he should not be banned from speaking publicly. he pleaded not guilty to felony charges, witness tampering and lying to congress. i'm joined now by ken delanian who is outside of the courthouse in dc, what is roger stone if he is not speaking to reporters and cameras. >> that's a great point, she did not impose the gag order, she said she wants them to do their talking only in the courtroom, she said you can talk about tom brady, but not this case. and she said think should submit briefs by friday. they talked about an october time frame for a trial here.
the judge said perhaps august would be more appropriate, but she would entertain an october time period, and you know roger stone didn't say anything today inside or outside of the courtroom, but he explained why on yesterday his side is willing to go on with extending this out a little bit for a speedier trial. let's take a listen. >> my attorneys have agreed to that if is so volumnious that a speedy trial is nearly impossible. both parties agreed to that. >> so the upshot here is that, you know, as we learn in the court filing yesterday, the mueller team has gatored terabiter terabytes on roger stone. they have it on harddrives, the defense needs a chance to look at it.
they also searched his house and apartment and they're going through it. huge amount of evidence in a case about lying and stone needs time, and his lawyers do, to go through the evidence. >> donald -- donald stone, that was interesting, roger stone in 2018 spoke to politico about how speaking publicly is key to pre. he said when you're silent, people assume eyou're guilty of something. that's how he sees the world. >> you're right, that has been his plan all of the way through and he is raising money. part of this speaking is for the purpose of raising money for his legal defense. he wants to show the president that he will fight this every
bit of the way. we're moving away from the court of public opinion and into the court of law and there is very specific rules about federal judges frowning on people going to the media to try their case in the media and i they is what is happening peer. what we're coming to here is what mueller can defend in court. >> and i just wanted to clear up something we talked about earlier. we talked about all of this data they found in his house. what did he possibly have on him that was so incriminating. >> i think the question is the data that was referred to in that court filing that we have been talking about, that referred to material that mueller had obtained on stone through subpoenas to telecom companies, tech companies, and apple. e-mails and other kinds of communications, that is
mainly -- also fbi investigative files, all of the material you to turn over to a defendant. we don't know what they seized, they're still going through it, but the way they tend to work, mueller has most of what he will get on roger stone. you do the search to make sure there is nothing left out or that he didn't delete things. why would he have anything around his house, but mueller already has it. >> thank you, ken, i appreciate it. up next, i'm going to walk through the numbers of january's job report and look at the impact of the shut down on our economy. you're watching msnbc. econy.om you're watching msnbc.
here is the number i like to pay a little more attention to. you take the jobs added minus the jobs lost, and you get 304. that is a very strong number. november was up to 196,000 jobs that i believe to be a strong number. december was revised down by 90,000, that is a high revision downward, but the resulting number was 220,000 jobs. that is very strong. when you take all of 2018's numbers you net new jobs. very strong. wages up 3.2%. you always have to consider there is inflation. your wage increase minus
inflation thanks to oil prices remaining low. when they go up it costs you the same things. but not bad, not fantastic, but not bad. there is something called the u 6 up employment rate. also it includes those people that tried to find a job in the past year that have not looked in the last four weeks for whatever reason, and it involves part-time workers that want full-time work. that number is up by half a percentage point since december. finally let's look at trying where jobs were created. transportation added 42,000 jobs, warehouses added 72,000 jobs. chairman of the white house council, i have not spoken to you on tv for awhile. and since the last time, you got
yourself in hot water about talking about something about furloughed workers having a vacation, what were you talking about. >> that is old news now and we're here to talk about the great jobs report. i did an interview after the new year that news hour held for a week and then played as if i was responding to the day that people didn't get their salaries and they made it look like i was saying they should think of it as a vacation, but they play it'd a week later and i was doing the interview at a time when we thought it would not last very long at all, it was the day nancy pelosi invited the president to the state of the union. >> so you don't believe that that is not your view that people that no, of course not, and not only that but the "new york times" and the ap printed corrections and looked at the cut and peaaste job and found i
was being mischaracterized. so i do care a lot about it. my whole team was furloughed, they were not paid, i was not being paid, and the notion that i didn't care about it was ridiculous. what i care about today is the amazing jobs number. north of 300,000 is astonishing. you lead with one of the most important points that makes the number even more amazing is the 100th straight month of job fwans. the economy is like a runner running forward with a rubber band attached to his waste and the further you get away from the anchor the harder it is to keep going. a year or two ago they were expecting that by now we would be looking at 90,000 a month. it is so hard to create jobs so
we were way north of 200 for average job creation. it is really an astonishing bit of good news. >> let me just play it to you, it was a cnn interview. what i want to go to after we hear that is how that affected hiring possibly from small businesses. let's listen to what you said. >> the first quarter was week recently. it is threw if we have a weak first quarter and have an extended shut down we could end up with a number that is very low. >> when the government reopens we get that growth back. >> could we get zero growth? >> yes, we could. >> yes, if it extended for the whole quarter. >> it didn't go for the whole quarter, and poppy harlow
sending me $5 when i put her on tv. so northern virginia, the things they go out for, is there some residual effect that we're going to see a month from now? >> no, i think what we snau this month's report it just blew through all of the limits going north of 300. i'm still anticipating a strong q 4 north of 3%. we're carrying so much momentum into the year it will be impossible to get a bad number in the first quarter with that many jobs created in january. there was lots of ways we can map jobs numbers to gdp, but if you start with 300,000 you're looking at a number north of three. we could look back at all of history to see often that happened, but the hours worked
two right into output. >> but if someone is asking your advice, you would not want to risk that from the respect of having a finger on the pulse of economic growth. >> my job is to make sure that everyone understands the costs and benefits of different policy decisions and that is what -- i'm not a politician and i know there are very, very big stakes at the aborter that the president talks about and cares about. that is a political thing. my job is to make sure that everyone understands all of the policies. and if we could have better border security that would be a positive for the economy. >> but if someone asks you if we should have another shut down you would say we don't want one. >> every week that we have a shut down this is what the cost
is is how i look at it. >> there is inflation, there is relatively low unemployment. is that where you feel comfortable with it being and where do you think it is going? >> my expectation has been -- we have been talking about wages for 20 years, right? going back is that we have a lot of capital spending last year and the wage growth would go up last year but it would accelerate into this year and i don't know about you, but most people get their wage changed about once a year. if firms are making a lot of money, productivity is skyrocketing, when people renegotiate their wage this year they'll start to see it sert. you could play this back in the fall when i'm coming back on the show they think we will hit 4% wage growth by fall because it
should accelerate going into this year. >> and wage growth, the reason we have talked about it for so many years is for most people the 4% unemployment don't mean anything unless they get a reaction to it and usually that reaction is wage growth. so when you hope for 4% are you saying with inflation where it is now. if you got 3.5 inflation and 4% rage growth you're not doing as well. >> yeah, but just do go back to what the strong job market means, we have looked at a lot of statistics, and what makes it so wonderful is that the expansion is continuing, and that the people in the past that have been mar final iginalizedm. the number of homeless -- veterans reporting their homeless declined by more than
5% last year and the number of homeless veterans is now half what it was in 2010 because of the stronger economy. we need to put our interests aside and keep the economy going. right now it is so strong we're bringing everyone back into the game. it is just a great news story. >> there should be no partisanship about wanting wages to go up and unemployment to go down. some people criticize me when i report the strong job numbers. i want there to be strong job numbers. what about the broader employment number, why do we have a bigger upnick that than duo on the headline number. >> it is something they would have to come back and talk about that again after i pour into it but the point is that on the household survey side that was impacted by the shut down. they said hey, are you working this week, and they ask employers hey, how many people
are you paying. so the government says we were paying those people, but when they surveyed the households say said i didn't work this week. so how that interacts with contractors and everything else is something i still have to study, but i bet it will reverse itself in the next month's report. >> kevin, chairman of the white house council of economic advisors. >> the theme of the state of the union was released, it is "choosing greatness." we can build new solutions, forge new solutions, unlock the extraordinary promise of america's fusion. the decision is ours to make. the president will deliver the state of the union next tuesday, tune into msnbc on tuesday night for full coverage. why the united states withdrew from another treating is raising alarms of a nuclear arms race. alarms of a nuclear
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reagan. the inf treaty was signed more than 30 years ago, a mayor achievement in arms control. after world war ii, they raced to advance missile designs that outproduced each other. now in the mid 1970s, the sow y -- soviets unveiled the ss 20. it could hit targets to northern alaska. they were pursuing arms control negotiations while deploying their own missiles in western europe. talks continued through the decade until the treaty was signed in 1987. it bound the united states and the soviet union to have their range rockets, lawneuncherlaunc
training materials. they say the treaty puts them at a disadvantage. the united states meanwhile reportedly started today have concerned about russian compliance with the treaty. president trump hinted at a withdrawal late last year, and this morning they listed the alleged russian violations and made this announcement. >> the united states will suspend their obligations under the inf treated effective february 2 nd. if russia does not verifiably destroy their violating missiles and launchers, the treaty will terminate. >> an msnbc analyst now, joe, it strikes anyway this is the
opposite of securing the world. there are issues, we have talked about issues, that we know the russians have with this and we know they have violations of it. where do you think of this development? >> this is very ominous. and my i say that was an excellent short history course on the treaty itself. this was a historic treaty that broke the back of the nuclear arms race. it was the first time the united states and the soviet union started to destroy weapons instead of just control them. i think the russians are violating the treaty. i saw data on their tests that was very convincing. we're talking about several ground launched cruise mislsile their deploying. but how do you deal with these? for the u.s. to leave the treaty
doesn't fix the problem, it makes it worse. you don't repeal the law, you bring them back into compliance. this is a gift for vladimir putin. he will be able to deploy the missiles he wants where he wants. >> let's go back to 1987. i don't know if i can find a lot of people around that would say ronald reagan was a dove on international affairs but he thought it was important to do this because the other option was unthink about. what does success look like according to what mike pompeo lays out. what does it look like?
>> you can use violations as a rational for leaving arms control treaties you don't like any way. the u.s. is not really making a concerted attempt to bring them back into compliance. they laid down a har much demand. when they said why don't you come inspect them they said no, you to destroy them first. i think they hope to change trump's mind, but the reason john bolten didn't like it in the gipping is they don't like these restraints. you don't want to limit american flexibility that we should defend america on the basis of our military might, not pieces of paper. they think this frees their hands. some want new nuclear weapons in europe, others want new weapons in china. it is the fear of this arms race that is unnerving people in the congress and in our allies. if you missed the nuclear arms
race in the 1980s, this is what it looked like. >> i worry that a lot of people did miss it and don't remember what it felt like to have nuclear drills and going into shelters and things like that. thank you very much. now the trump administration blames russia for their decision to withdraw, but could china have also played a role? joining me now is victor chaw. he is a current affairs analyst, it is good to have you here, victor. to the extend that russia was saying we don't want to be bound by this treaty entirely because china is developing these things, the treaty bans some of the work you would do to advance your technology. china has been advancing it, how much does that influence america
saying if china is busy becoming a pneumonnuclear power, we shou free to as well. >> i think the cause of this has been russian development, but that is in the context of a chinese missile force growing by leaps and bounds much faster than the russians. >> and i want to put this up in a minute, but they impressive missile missiles. now china has not been part of the treat joy it could be that trump is trying to break china to bring china in. >> is it violation if they're not in it? >> so if this is part of the effort to get china involved in a tri-lateral treaty, maybe that is trump's play.
but i agree with joe. i think when you combine this with the missile defense review, they're really trying to both win on the offensive end and the echbsive end. and we call this first straight availability. we want to play something that dan coats said about china and let's talk about it. >> china's military capabilities will continue to grow as they invest in fielding and handling weapons and beijing will expand their footprint and compliment their broadening political and economical influence as we have seen with their one belt one road initiative. >> we spent a lot of time analyzing that hearing and what they did and didn't aagree with
but this was sort of in there. china has, while you have been watching but others have not, have been developing a trade and military strategy that i don't know we have seen since the cold war. the sort of thing we have seen since the cold war. >> i don't think we have, and you can look at this decision today assort of the first shot across the bow of a u.s. effort. not just to challenge china economically as we have seen, but also now to move into the strategic realm, fitting with the speech that vice president pence gave at the end of the year that we're in a full spectrum competition. >> what do we need from china. we know, we understand what we need economically, what do we need from them militarily. is this going to hurt us with north korea. >> we have a summit coming up and i don't know how we could
make it harder. we're in a trade war, now we're talking missiles. we want north korea to to give g range and medium rank ballistics. we're going in with two strikes against us. >> thank you for being here. he's an msnbc national security analyst. now to the east and setback for israeli prime minister netanyahu. they postponed a decision on whether to indict him on corruption charges. that's interesting. they recommended netanyahu be indicted on charges he received expensive gifts from rich my friends and granted favors for more positive news coverage. in an article he said the attorney general was giving into pressure to indict him. despite the legal drama, he's still the favorite to win in april's election. last week at the economic forum,
i spoke with the former u.s. attorney libby about the election process. >> it is based on security, peace and identity and this is connected directly to the israeli region. because the current israeli government led by netanyahu believes we can handle the situation and manage the conflict and there's no need to solve the conflict, i believe the only way to keep ireland a jewish independent state is separate from the palestinians hopefully at this peace treaty. this is the internal debate in israel and frankly our problem is that the feeling on both sides is there's no hope for peace. so this is not really on the agenda. >> you have grown up in politics largely thinking that a two-stake solution and peace is probable. there have been different
options on the table. is the israeli population moving away from that idea? >> they're not moving away from the idea but they are becoming indifferent to the idea. not only israel but also the palestine side since this is not tangible, it's not physical. there's no hope for peace, each side blames the other side. but i do believe if and when an israeli leader which putin plans on the table saying that peace is possible if we just support it, a vast majority of israelis will support it. >> why has that not happened? >> because in order to have peace, you need to have both sides, on both sides that are willing to pay the political price for peace. i do believe that the leaders that would make peace in the end would be those believing that the price of not having peace for their own people is higher than the political price that they would pay by making peace.
frankly, i would not suggest that peace is just around the corner. i'm not thinking about peace and the kind of romantic manner. it's a tough neighborhood, complicated situation. but i believe that the other option is the worst-case scenario. one state between the jordan river and mediterranean sea with palestinians living there, 50% views, 50% muslim, it will not work. paterno's son-in-law and senior adviser jared kushner as well as steven greenplat are expected to unveil their peace plan later this year. up next -- for the first time in nearly a decade, the house judiciary committee will hold a hearing on gun violence. after the break, i will be joined by a member of that committee, congresswoman madeleine dean. madeleine dean
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next week the house judiciary committee will hold its first hearing on gun violence in eight years. the senators for disease control and prevention estimate in 2017 more than 39,000 people were killed by firearms here in the united states, a number that has risen steadily since 2005. for more on this, i'm joined by pennsylvania's first-term congresswoman madeleine dean, a member of the judiciary committee, congresswoman dean introduced a bill addressing 3d printed guns g to have you on the show.
welcome. congratulations on your election. we've only have a couple minutes and you have a lot of initiatives you put forward. one is the gun 3d change. how do you deal with the issue with guns who are not registered to anybody, are not licensed and may not have a serial number on them, you've introduced legislation dealing with how to detect undetectable guns. >> thank you for having me on. hello from snowy, philadelphia. i purposely made sure my first bill had to do with gun violence because the situation is so grave in the united states, as you pointed out, 40,000 people a year died of gun violence, more than half to suicide. i purposely chose the 3d ban because we know that we are less safe if guns or weapons can pass through security without detection. so what my legislation does is say we have to catch legislation up to technology, and now we know that with 3d or plastic guns, they can defy the security that we have at our airports and
federal buildings and other places. >> so you're calling for a bill -- in your bill it says any major component of a firearm that does not generate a guy-shaped image in a security detection system, including the slide, the cylinder, the flame or the receiver of any firearm or barrel of a rifle or shotgun. you're asking for technology that just basically says it's a gun, it needs to look like a gun buy detection systems. >> it needs to reveal itself because we have purposely put forward security to make all of us safe as we travel in the air and around our country. and so the fact that now you can 3d print a gun or make a gun out of composite plastic that will not reveal itself, we can't stand for that in the country. >> congresswoman, we will have more opportunity to talk again. thank you very much for joining us today. congresswoman madeleine dean of pennsylvania. that brings this hour to a close for me. i'm going to see you right back
here at 10:00 p.m. eastern for "the last word." "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi, everyone, it's 4:00 in new york. 1:00 p.m. here in san francisco. in a wide-ranging interview in "the new york times," donald trump soipds like a man who believes he's in the clear when it comes to the multiple investigations bearing down on him in his inner circle. the president telling "the times" the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein told his attorneys that when it comes to the mueller probe, quote, i'm not a subject, i'm not a target. but sounding a lot less certain about his legal status in the case of the southern district of new york, where he's been implicated as directing the hush money scheme. here's that exchange with the times.
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